From a Finnish perspective: I've driven year-round with M/T:s, but that really, really requires you to drive like your life depended on it if the surface is cold or icey. Heavy snow or slush is better, but far from ideal. With quality dedicated winter tires you can literally drive as if though it was summer. You shouldn't, but you can. No matter how much anyone tells you winter tires make an incredible difference you really won't understand it until you try it. Situations that are completely impossible to traverse with summer tires go by completely unnoticed with winter tires.
@MarkRose13373 жыл бұрын
You can tell which cars are using all seasons because they're going 40 km/h slower!
@adelarsen97763 жыл бұрын
True.
@nomadexperts4323 жыл бұрын
We also have very nice moubtains here in Kyrgyzstan) hope to see u and ur jeep one day here in Kyrgyzstan. Thank you for ur videos!
@TheRoadChoseMe3 жыл бұрын
I hope so too!
@IronWolfOverland3 жыл бұрын
Agree - told local tire shop that I wanted a set of M/Ts for winter. He smiled and told me that I don’t. After teasing me for a bit, he explained that everyone who pushes a plow swears by unidirectional snow tires. So, I bought a cheap set of spare rims and Firestone Winterforce 33s. AMAZING difference in snow. One day a guy invited me on a trail ride in early spring before I had switched to my summer A/Ts - I learned that aired-down snow tires do pretty well in mud!
@veganpotterthevegan3 жыл бұрын
Nokian's all weather tires really are spectacular. And they now use the same compound for all their tires that aren't made for the track. I drive 45,000 miles a year in the Utah mountains for work with a RWD, 15 passenger van. They work 98% as well as my Hakkapeliita's in the winter, and are totally good in the summer too. I wish they made a nobby AT tire. I have their Rotiiva ATs with the same compound. They're great in the snow and fine on pavement. But they're not really very aggressive for real offroading. I'm tempted to buy a tire groover to make them more off-road worthy
@grantfitz20473 жыл бұрын
You always have 4 wheel stop but you don't always have adaquate grip to stop. What my dad beat into my brothers and my head's when we were learning to drive on the farm was " 4 wheel drive is to get you out of a situation, if you are relying on it it's just 2 more wheels pulling you into the ditch."
@Furniture1213 жыл бұрын
Proper winter tires are a real boost to safety when driving in cold conditions. I had BFG KO2s on my Frontier, and found at about -20C they became hockey pucks, despite being winter rated. My current vehicle has BFG Winter KSIs, and they have been amazing even when the temps drop below -20C. I've used General and Gislaved winter tires in the past and had similar results to my current BFGs, I went with the BFGs this time because I got a great deal.
@MarkRose13373 жыл бұрын
I'm putting KO2s on for dedicated summers this week. It always baffles me people think of them as a winter tire when they have no siping!
@Furniture1213 жыл бұрын
@@MarkRose1337 the ones I had were winter rated with the mountain/snowflake, but yeah they were not great in cold conditions. If I was doing it again they would be my summer tires, with purpose built winter tires for the winter.
@MarkRose13373 жыл бұрын
@@Furniture121 So many people are mislead by the TPMS symbol on them. It's unfortunate.
@d37tae3 жыл бұрын
That powder tree run looked fantastic!
@MountainRoots3 жыл бұрын
Beautiful scenery! We outfitted our rig with a set of AT tires, not quite mud tires bc we use our rig on the roads & highway too. Good discussion on winter tires specifically though, may look into these for later this year 👍 -Josh
@dirtlegdirtleg3 жыл бұрын
Dan, we need an outtakes or bloopers video from your travels.
@TheRoadChoseMe3 жыл бұрын
I'll work on it! there are a few from snowboarding recently. I'll put it on Patreon for supporters there to get the behind the scenes content!
@MarkRose13373 жыл бұрын
I run Nokian Hakkapeliitta 9 SUV studded for winters. The Hakkas make 4 or 5 inches of snow almost irrelevant when driving. They almost corner better in snow than they do on dry pavement. I'm swapping them out for BFG KO2s on Wednesday, as the snow season is basically over here in the sunny climes of southern Alberta.
@questioner15963 жыл бұрын
I have 4 cars, and really see the appeal of having only one set of tires per car. However, look under my back deck and you'll see 20 tires on rims. They make such a huge difference I'm willing to put up with the inconvenience of storing them.
@NigelNaughton3 жыл бұрын
So rad on that snowboard man.
@Davran27423 жыл бұрын
Exactly, thank you for using logic; driving skill can't help if there's no traction. For deep snow I've used chains on winter tires. It doesn't seem widely known that M+S tires are not snow tires; M+S is only a void ratio in the tread, not a softer compound. Also, through experience I've learned that K02s are not great on ice; I consider them all-season tires, or maybe in the new "all weather" category.
@adelarsen97763 жыл бұрын
Give this man a gold star.
@SmashTheNumbers3 жыл бұрын
I have a 2016 manual transmission Mustang convertible "daily driver" that I have driven through Winters. Winter tires work for me (including some sandbags).
@eesko20003 жыл бұрын
My 08jkuRubi does great all yr , in snow and ice and slush, with Ko2’s and Km’s, hiway and backroads/trails. - I Haven’t used snow tires yet in 6 yrs in Northern Ont. 🙏🌲🇨🇦
@TheRoadChoseMe3 жыл бұрын
I assume it's pretty flat there?
@eesko20003 жыл бұрын
@@TheRoadChoseMe Yes definitely NoT mountain-ish, like your Area Dan. 🙏🌲🇨🇦
@SpencerHogg3 жыл бұрын
I always enjoy watching your videos my friend 🤟🏻
@marcio4u1233 жыл бұрын
Another great video information 🙏
@TLC1503 жыл бұрын
You are absolutly right...but winter tires are too weak against rough surfaces. On the road they are really the best you can drive but offroad not. I never had any flat ones with MT or AT‘s but with the winter tires I had many. I would need a snowflake rated MT tires but the are non. The option left for me are BFG AT or Duratracs
@zacchaeusdennis47683 жыл бұрын
Nice review.
@mohammadbinbishr51673 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the valuable information What about the hybrid tires? Keep up the great work
@TheRoadChoseMe3 жыл бұрын
They can work OK in mild conditions, but in genuine winter snow and ice, I would never trust my life on them
@ArjayMiller_TEAMSPYPOINT3 жыл бұрын
I noticed the lack of a sway bar link on the front of the Jeep? No issues driving that heavy jeep with the sway bar unhooked completely? Great information on winter tires, the snowflake rated "all season" tire are storming the market these days kinda the best of both worlds. Tire technology has came leaps and bounds over the last 5 years or so
@TheRoadChoseMe3 жыл бұрын
As I said, snowflake rated all seasons are absolutely worthless in real ice and hard pack snow. Absolutely a different world compared to dedicated winter snow/ice tires
@Defender110SLO3 жыл бұрын
In my country is the same. Winter tyres are mendetory. As far as snow boarding I adore it but dont like the cold. 😉 Cheers 🍻
@aasphaltmueller51783 жыл бұрын
As a European from the Alps, I fully second what you said. Around here, the law is OK with All-Year tires, but those are for City and good road use, you venture away from those, winter tires are a must
@artofshootinginmotion28713 жыл бұрын
With tires like Goodyear Vector 4Seasons Gen-3 it doesn't make sense to use winter tires anymore. You should have chains, just in case, but it's the same with winter tires.
@TheRoadChoseMe3 жыл бұрын
All season tires are not even close in performance to actual snow/winter tires. Get yourself onto some ice and tell me how safe you fell driving downhill in the mountains! There is no decision.
@artofshootinginmotion28713 жыл бұрын
@@TheRoadChoseMe Are you talking about studded tires? They are illegal here in Europe. And no road legal tires will stop you on ice. That's what chains are for. All seasons Tire technology changed a lot lately. You can read some European tests in Auto Bild for example.
@TheRoadChoseMe3 жыл бұрын
No, not studs, just dedicated winter snow/ice tires. I've driven hundreds and hundreds of times on ice so clear and so sheer you can't physically walk on it - and yes, with good tires made for that you can stop and steer almost like it's summer - Alaska / Yukon at -45C for months on end is a special thing.
@artofshootinginmotion28713 жыл бұрын
@@TheRoadChoseMe Nice! I always slide on ice even on winter tires here in Poland. What tire model was that?
@blurglide3 жыл бұрын
Do you not have end links on your front sway bar?
@jpk06123 жыл бұрын
I assume his electric sway bar disconect motor went out so he had to remove the physical links to disconect. Rubicon problems 🤣
@jeffpearson40883 жыл бұрын
4WD and studded snow tires have never failed me in winter driving conditions, even on steep roads covered with ice. I'm not sure that I agree on there being an argument for mud tires in snow when off highway. I have seen more than one KZbin video of offroaders getting themselves in trouble with improper tires in snow. The problem is that conditions tend to vary too much. If I was going to tackle deep snow, I think I would want tire chains. But, deep snow and snow and trucks mostly don't mix IMHO.
@andrewsnow73863 жыл бұрын
I agree, mud tires are not generally good even in deep snow. But, before I say more, let me point that snow comes in many different varieties. It can be heavy and wet, it can be dry and powdery. It might pack to very low traction ice, to good traction packed snow, or it might not pack at all. In some conditions, there will be a large difference in how different tires perform, and in some conditions, there will only be a small difference. But, I have yet to see any snow conditions where mud tires are the best choice. This crappy video of mine is just to show that I really do have experience driving in deep snow: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y5PKhIeJo5KDatk As for chains, they are very good as long as the snow is not TOO deep. If the chains can dig to the road surface before your rig gets high centered in the snow, then chains are usually good. If the snow is too deep for this and you are able to drive on top of the snow, then chains are tricky. They give you better traction, but they can dig holes and get you stuck really fast. I use chains maybe 5% of the time in my deep snow wheeling. However, to drive on top of deep snow, you need the right kind of snow, and usually very low tire pressure. My go-to pressure is 5 psi (yes, five psi), but to go this low, oversize tires are needed. I would agree that the average 4X4 truck is not great in deep snow.
@bcatz4543 жыл бұрын
Glad you're pushing dedicated winter tires like the Yoko Iceguard and not ATs with snowflakes. To get the snowflake rating, all it has to do is perform 10% better than an all season. In this day in age, getting 10% better than an all season isn't hard, just put a little bit more silica in the compound. The snowflake rating these days is all marketing when it comes to all season/all-weather/all terrain tires with the snowflake. The winter tires, even the cheapest chinese no name ones, will perform 50+% better than an all-season in ice/winter/snow braking. All terrains with the snowflake logo just aren't great, especially the LT rated ones, because they have to put less silica to make the tire tougher and chunk less since they are used on HD diesel trucks.
@blegi12452 жыл бұрын
it's not 10% better than an all season. It's better than a very specific all season from about 20 years ago (Uniroyal Tigerpaw in 225/60R16 which is the Standard Reference Test Tyre).
@marcvalme7732 Жыл бұрын
Out of curiosity, what would you recommend for the Dempster highway and the winter? Winter tires because of the cold and ice, or all terrains because of the roads?
@TheRoadChoseMe Жыл бұрын
Depends on the time of year. Between about early October and late May winter tires are a MUST. Outside that AT are fantastic
@butchcassidy53983 жыл бұрын
Disconnected front sway bar?
@TheRoadChoseMe3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's been a problem for a long time now. I should probably fix it one of these days!
@benstechtips31903 жыл бұрын
What are your thoughts on severe snow-rated all terrains as a "stopgap"? Any concerns about running winter tires that would be smaller than one's regular tires (and presumably one's spare)? it seems larger-diameter winter tires are rather hard to find compared to ATs or MTs, or at least that's the case in my area. Thanks for putting out all of this content!
@MarkRose13373 жыл бұрын
Anything that isn't a winter tire won't come close to a winter tire when temperatures are cold, or when you're driving on ice. All Terrains do alright in snow, and can sometimes earn the three-peak mountain snowflake symbol for meeting the void requirements in their tread pattern, but it's no contest when it comes to on-road driving: any winter tire will spank anything else in winter conditions. Running different wheel sizes can confuse traction control systems, especially if you have AWD. On my 4Runner, I run stock size Nokian Hakkapeliitta for winter, and I'm getting slightly up-sized KO2s for summer. I'll be swapping the spare twice a year, too, to avoid any problems from differing diameter if I ever have to use it, and it's only a 3% difference. I would skip winter tires if you don't plan to drive in winter conditions. If you only get winter weather a few times a year, it's really not worth it. But if you'll be driving in snow or on ice for months, it's worth the expense. I'd actually say icy conditions are more of a determining factor than snow. I'd order winter tires around September if you need some uncommon size so the store can get them.
@veganpotterthevegan3 жыл бұрын
@@MarkRose1337 That's not true anymore. Nokian uses the same compound for every tire but their track tires now. And Michelin uses the same compound in their all weather tires(not all season) as their winter tires. I've gone through sets of both and they're extremely good in the snow, and dry pavement. Some of these all weather tires are better than some true snow tires in the snow.
@MarkRose13373 жыл бұрын
@@veganpotterthevegan Good to know!
@veganpotterthevegan3 жыл бұрын
@@MarkRose1337 They're a total game changer. I'd take these tires(for road use) over anything else unless I lived somewhere that never got below 40f. Even in the rain when it's cold, these are much better than an all season
@bindingcurve3 жыл бұрын
I ALWAYS had snow tires on my Subaru for the winter.
@DestDroid3 жыл бұрын
There definitely are advantages to stopping in 4wd, but it's still smaller than the difference the tires themselves make.
@adelarsen97763 жыл бұрын
1) Difflocks and ice/snow are a disaster. NEVER use difflocks on a public road which is icey or snowy. 2) Although approved, a tyre labelled M+S (Mud and Snow) is rarely a winter tyre. 3) If you're driving on icey roads then you need dedicated winter tyres. The best are studded. Huge mud tyres are hopeless on ice and cold snow. 4) There is another option which can save you money in the short term : Getting your 4wd tyres siped. A huge big machine can take your tyre and turn it whilst applying a huge set of industrial razor blades and cut siping into your tread. This works ok but is not the best solution. It's best to just buy a complete set of winter tyres. 5) Part of your route planning should include whether or not studded tyres are allowed on which roads. Wear to asphalt due to studded tyres costs a lot of money to repair and maintain. 6) Just as there is restrictions on fitting winter tyres, many jurisdiction ban the use of studded winter tyres in summer due to the wear of the road.
@sassanlachini53833 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. After three seasons on
@jeremyoliver3 жыл бұрын
Is your spare tire a dedicated winter tire as well?
@TheRoadChoseMe3 жыл бұрын
No, it's not. But I carry a plug repair kit and a compressor, so I'm fairly confident I can repair a minor hole.
@wildcatoutdoors3 жыл бұрын
All us in the South when you hear specific tires for winter we are like doooo whaaaat? Lol
@Eric-xh9ee3 жыл бұрын
I only run a 2 wheel drive vehicle then just throw sand under my tires when I get stuck or ask other people and pull me out. I'm hoping to be able to buy a 4wd vehicle for next winter. I'm too poor.
@TheRoadChoseMe3 жыл бұрын
Get good winter tires before you get a 4wd. With good tires you can drive a 2wd in the snow and ice no problem.
@Eric-xh9ee3 жыл бұрын
@@TheRoadChoseMe I already have winter tires. Thanks for the advice though. It snows about 7 months of the year where I live but 4wd vehicles cost about $7,000 more than 2wd trucks
@Eric-xh9ee3 жыл бұрын
@@TheRoadChoseMe PS was it difficult to import your Jeep around the world? I see that it says you drive it in Africa. That's pretty cool!
@TheRoadChoseMe3 жыл бұрын
I didn't import it, I just "temporarily imported" it as a tourist (which sounds pedantic, but it is a totally different thing.) I cover how to do that in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rYHKfIpme5idfKM
@abdielsan11693 жыл бұрын
Spectacular. Greetings handsome 😳😲👍👏👏💪❤😘
@blurglide3 жыл бұрын
Summer tires turn to hockey pucks in below freezing temps, but snow tires turn into sloppy gummy bears at temps above 40F or so. That said...ALL cars have 4 wheel stop.
@TheRoadChoseMe3 жыл бұрын
You think all cars have 4 wheel stop, but trust me, once you're on ice with all season tires, you'll realize really, really quickly you don't have any wheel stop, and not even any wheel steering. You are literally a passenger, best case is go for the ditch, not the oncoming traffic. I say this having driven the Alaska Highway 10+ times, many in the dead of winter.
@blurglide3 жыл бұрын
@@TheRoadChoseMe Nevertheless, you have all four wheels braking, just as you have all four wheels accelerating you. The problem is people expect more out of braking than acceleration. 4WD makes them think it's less slick than it really is, so gives them a false sense of security. It gets a lot of inexperienced snow drivers into trouble
@Christopher-vf6kx3 жыл бұрын
Germany winter tires are required and we always swapped out mid year. There is a while market and service industry for it. Cranking down the autoban at 240km/h through the apls in the winter - you better be on winter tires.
@GATORADDAM3 жыл бұрын
I've come up with a far better solution than winter tires. I live in Florida! Ha ha.
@TheRoadChoseMe3 жыл бұрын
Haha - I used to live where it's hot and sunny, and after years and years of living in both, I choose the high mountains every time!
@ricoman79813 жыл бұрын
Isn’t it a little bit funny when you think how many years ago Al Gore and rags like the Guardian in the UK said kids won’t know what snow is. We had a pretty normal winter here, snow and bitter cold mixed with some warm and sunny days, absolutely normal temperatures. Our local ski areas enjoyed a great season even with Covid rules in place.
@TheRoadChoseMe3 жыл бұрын
There is severely less snow, shorter winters and MUCH warmer temperatures all around - most notable in the Yukon and Alaska.
@ricoman79813 жыл бұрын
@@TheRoadChoseMe Maybe in BC where the hot air from Elizabeth May affects you but Alberta had a pretty normal winter. Our winter isn’t any shorter, we started with snow in mid October and we had flakes coming down today, April 12. I believe in changing climate but I don’t believe in the Armageddon being predicted. Unfortunately I think overlanding will take a hit as more countries impose higher and higher carbon and road taxes. No one will be able to afford petrol or diesel and the electric vehicles won’t cut it for world off the beaten track travels for quite some time.
@adelarsen97763 жыл бұрын
@@ricoman7981 The climate has always changed and it's normally quite violent. We're just going back to the time before the last ice age. We are coming to the end of a 9000 year stable period which has actually been a freak of nature. The climate is driven by the energy from the sun and the gravity of the sun and planets. The climate is changing and it's getting more violent but it's not man made. CO2 and Methane on Mars is increasing. Did we cause that too ? There is so much ice in the Arctic that Polar Bears are being culled in Canada, Alaska, Russia and on Svalbard. They are over populated. Record cold temp's in Norway and huge snow storms in Sweden..... Oh, and those islands in the south pacific that have a rising tide ? The tectonic plate they sit on is sinking. But we can't let facts and truth get in the way of a good story. Man made climate change is the new religion. It cost them nothing, there's no warranty, you can't see it, you cant touch it, you must fear it and you must pay for it. And if you EVER question it you are called a flat-earther and denialist. Jepp, I'd say it's the new religion.