The Indurain-Rominger duel during the stage 11 of the 1993 Tour between Serre Chevalier & Isola 2000

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@S2Sturges 3 ай бұрын

J'ai toujours été impressionné par la souplesse d'Indurain... Il n'a jamais eu l'air mal sur un vélo.

@barriem5318 3 ай бұрын

Back when real men climbed alpine passes with a 42x23 and liked it

@danfuerthgillis4483 3 ай бұрын

2024 compact cranks and Mountain Bike cassettes on road bikes 😂lmfao

@MrGueblaoui 3 ай бұрын

L'époque où l'EPO était incontrôlable !

@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa47320 3 ай бұрын

Pogacar doit bien se marrer il leur aurait mis 15 minutes

@mebunzing 3 ай бұрын

rEPOminger🎉

@MrGueblaoui 3 ай бұрын

@@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa47320 encore des performances ridicules

@LyasRaab-lo9fy 3 ай бұрын

Merci Indurain

@heliumtrophy 3 ай бұрын

Ou, au contraire, ils était les premières sujets pour les avancements medicales mais peut-être je suis trop cynique.

@EM-wd2vg 3 ай бұрын

Both allegedly were EPO users but Big Mig somehow got to hang on to his five victories

@duncanmacphee200 3 ай бұрын

Yet no-one talks about doping in football, tennis, rugby... every other sport.

@heliumtrophy 3 ай бұрын

Ah yes but Big Mig never threatened, intimidated or harassed anyone outside of stage winning. Lance fans are the Kings of Whataboutism

@danfuerthgillis4483 3 ай бұрын

@@EM-wd2vg Big Mig knew the game was up and actually quit cycling that’s how you do it and keep the wins. He knew that everyone was on EPO in 1996 that’s why he left that year.

@JayRiemenschneider 3 ай бұрын

@@danfuerthgillis4483yep he left because everyone was using and that meant he’d be just another good rider

@JayRiemenschneider 3 ай бұрын

@@heliumtrophy are there actually Lance fans or just people who call bullshit on the hypocrisy? There can't be actual Lance fans😂

@thierryfrentz2427 3 ай бұрын

La belle EPOque…

@LeProjectionniste 4 ай бұрын

04:07 épique avec la musique

@timothyseavey3243 3 ай бұрын

more like a 39x23 low gear which they rarely used. But still amazing power.

@walterweber5293 3 ай бұрын

Anyone who believes that a 'clean' 80kg athlete can win a mountain stage against a 60kg athlete also believes in Father Christmas.. Big Mig was just as full of doping substances as Lance, Marco and Jan 25 years later... he just didn't get caught.

@justinstephenson9360 3 ай бұрын

Big Mig won exactly 2 mountain stages in his TdF career. He was a supremely gifted time triallist during a period where the total time trial km during a tour was 2-3x what we would typically see now. That meant he could ride completely defensive in the mountain stages knowing that even if lost a couple of minutes in the mountains he would gain far more than that in the time trials. He was also famously a genetic freak even amongst cyclists with a ludicrously low resting heart rate and a much bigger lung capacity than his rivals, even his VO2 max was higher than his rivals (apart from Greg Lemond - another genetic freak and definitely clean rider). There has never been any evidence that he took PED. He did take salbutamol (presumably for asthma, which many top cyclists suffer from) but was cleared by the IOC.

@DavidJones-bl2yz 3 ай бұрын

@@justinstephenson9360 omg they were all taking epo you silly fool you're obviously a big mig fan boy who doesn't want the truth do you honestly believe he won 5 tours in a row completely clean against all the others taking drugs .. he weighed 80 kilos he rode up mountain passes like pantani who was famously on drugs but you're convinced your hero took no drugs you really need to stop dreaming 😅😅

@walterweber5293 3 ай бұрын

@@justinstephenson9360 you're right about a lot of things, but I'm still against the idea that everything was clean until the bad guys came along in the nineties

@AlexSaurel 3 ай бұрын

Pourquoi il ralenti à la fin, il pouvait le battre ?

@Yume_2607 3 ай бұрын

Oui, j'ai jamais compris ça. Indurain, mon idole à l'époque, c'était vraiment l'opposé de Pogacar. J'avais 10 ans, je comprenais pas tout. Mais j'aurais été vraiment frustré avec quelques années de plus. Il pensait qu'à la victoire finale et jamais aux succès d'étapes en ligne, même s'il en a gagné 2 (1989, 1990).

@stanleyp1221 3 ай бұрын

Masters of Dope

@diegoruizmartinez3963 3 ай бұрын

Then and before then and now. Everybody used forbidden substances for improving their efficiency. So, it's evident that in this context ALWAYS WON THE BEST AND HIS NAME IS MIGUEL INDURÁIN. It can not have any doubt of this fact. May be you are one of the innocents who really think that cyclist at the 80 and even previous decades compited sportly without use any doping. It is true that since 1992 the EPO meant a "quality" jump in the doping structure. A structure in whom there are plenty of people . The teams and their bosses who obligate the bikers to consume the forbidden products for achieving victories. Bikers are only one of the parts from this great chain. Although I believe that the Tours of 1991 and 1992 were won cleanly by Indurain. Since 1993 he surely used EPO exactly like TONY ROMINGER, BJARNE RIIS, JAN ÜLLRICH , YEUGENI BERZIN, RICHARD VIRENQUE ETC. I only have wanted to name some of the opponents with whom Induráin had to fight. Another day perhaps I talk about the black stage of seven years from Lance Armstrong...and Jan Üllrich, Marco Pantani (I forgot to mention him among the others "upstairs'), Joseba Beloki, Ivan Basso etc. I say this because it's very important to remember that the UCI considerated NULL ALL THE TOURS WON BY ARMSTRONG BETWEEN 1999 and 2005. Nobody won any of these Tours cause everybody used EPO and other forbidden products. If I was a biker that compited honestly for long I had the 15 th as final position of course I RECLAIM MY CLEAN AND FAIR VICTORY AND NOT EVEN THE HOLINESS POPE GETS ME OFF THE BIKE

@floriantanguy8570 3 ай бұрын

"Always won the best", no always won the better doped.. And the whole Banesto was EPO doped since 91 which helps a lot

@diegoruizmartinez3963 3 ай бұрын

@@floriantanguy8570I don't agree. I read in several times that Banesto time and Induráin used EPO but only since 1993. In fact, at the past years were not done blood tests to detect the EPO. Before 1993 the bikers passed nothing else urine test where evidently couldn't detect the EPO. So your comment does not any fundamental. It is nothing else a conjecture cause you are not able to prove your affirmation beyond mere thoughts about that the wonderful performance by the great spanish champions at the mountain and specially in the time trial only can be explained if we say that is due to EPO. Rominger you know that also used EPO. Riis and Pantani too. Everybody used EPO since 1993 and some also in 1992. The doctors like the italians EPO MASTERS CONCONI AND FERRARI were very above the doctor that took Indurain, SABINO PADILLA who, there is not either any doubt, was also a doping expert. But the others I have named worked in a superior step. For me is very unfair and stupid (sorry but is stupid) that the accusations from you and others fall exclusively over Induráin. You must know that Induráin was a excellent biker already his youth. Everybody who had cycling knowledge (other bikers directors ) stayed wonderful by the natural talent and skill shown by Indurain since he started to cycling with 19 or 20 years old. I don't want to write more because is not useful. You won't are ready to correct and a lot less change your point of view but WHEN CYCLISTS LIKE ROMINGER OR RIIS HIGHLIGHTED IN THEIR YOUTH HOW INDURÁIN MADE ?? This is an essencial fact. I like to write in english for practice and I'm sure I always make myself to understand. Why don't you try to answer in spanish? Our great language is the second more spoken in the world and it is spreading in considerable progress. The chinese despite of his grow relevance is very difficult that can achieve a geofgraphic progress a lot more of his natural zone, China, Malaysia and next zones.. Didn't you study Spanish language at school?

@diegoruizmartinez3963 3 ай бұрын

@@floriantanguy8570 I answered to you in the same line I develope in my previous comment but is not the first time nor will be the last time that KZbin is not able to show a comment. A disaster. However, it is evident that answer to you is to waste the time. My previous comment is a serious comment and not a poor conjecture that yours. You should hold better that Miguel Induráin was a fantastic champion instead write without none argument beyond mere conjectures that haven't the more minimum fundamental. Indurain already highlight since his youth when he had only 19 or 20 years old. However nor Rominger neither Riis and others made nothing relevant in their careers till they had 30 years old. This fact is at least suspicious don't you think so?? Rominger was a great professional cyclist but he didn't achieve nothing ar the 3 great national cycling tournaments : Tour Giro and Vuelta. Suddenly, Rominger appears in a magnific skill at the Vuelta of 1992 which he wins, like in the next two years 1993 and 1994. But for you this wonderful and unexpected appearance from Rominger doesn't deserve any word. You only talk about Induráin

@duncanmacphee200 3 ай бұрын

Who? The Juventus football team of the 90s?

@carlopedroni4934 3 ай бұрын

étape brutale

@FlecheDeFer 3 ай бұрын

Izoard, Vars, Bonette, Isola à la suite... Quelle étape de folie! Même si les boss sont déjà chargés à mort, ce cyclisme paraît finalement bien plus humain qu'aujourd'hui.

@anonymous-so6yy 4 ай бұрын

les bonnes années EPO

@yannramirez8149 4 ай бұрын

Pas complètement. En 1993 l'utilisation de l'epo était surtout en Italie

@Pulcius-dh1uh 3 ай бұрын

Today 10 minutes faster 😂

@cb8562 3 ай бұрын

@@yannramirez8149lol... jaskula équipe belge, Rominger et Indurain équipes espagnoles...

@monsieurlapinot2549 3 ай бұрын

@@yannramirez8149indurain etait chargé tout le monde le sait mais il y avait pas de controle. c'etait le debut de l'epo. indurain etait moyen avant l'arrivée de la potion magique...

@yannramirez8149 3 ай бұрын

@@cb8562 il n'y a pas de lol historiquement l'epo a été utilisé aux pays bas fin des années 80 début 90, puis Italie dès le début 90. Et la généralisation dès 1994. Jaskula et Rominger passés par l'Italie. La GB MG était sous licence italienne en 1993. Pour Indurain, sa relation avec le Dr Padilla était quasi exclusive donc difficile de parler d'une généralisation de l'epo en cette année en espagne.