The Insane Depth of Monster Hunter's Weapons

[@lisabeavis8598]

Key take aways: there are no bad weapons, only bad players

[@OuroborosTalks]

It's me. I'm the bad player.

[@robertomacetti7069]

WELL hunting horn and gunlance (with the occasional third buddy depending on the specific game) have a troubled history of underperforming when you crunch the numbers but i can agree with the general sentiment of your statement

[@SupahTrunks7]

You don’t play hunting horn for raw damage you play to bonk monsters with bagpipes and buff everyone

[@robertomacetti7069]

@@SupahTrunks7 yesn't The damage should always be there for when you play solo

[@duckesome]

​@@robertomacetti7069i dunno about that, my first iceborne fatalis solo was specifically with horn and was a very comfortable clear with early head breaks. Maybe earlier games, I'd agree

[@LordShonji]

Another reason why is called the SAED is cause thats how you feel when you miss all the damage ticks.

[@OuroborosTalks]

That must be why I'm so depressed.

[@eneizermerced5438]

Truer words have never been spoken

[@nextgencombodrop378]

GS mains: i feel you bro 🥲

[@capsuleC0RP5E]

Tbh fighting Brachydios with Offensive Guard Lance is one of my favorite matchups in the entire game of Worldborne

[@OuroborosTalks]

Really? Does the slime not become a huge issue? Granted, I've always had a lot of trouble with Brachy.

[@superiortroodon3112]

I agree that fighting brachy with lance can be a HUGE pain, but I suppose it’s one of those things where it feels good to overcome difficult odds.

[@benarrington5936]

​@@OuroborosTalks, you've just gotta be good with your guarding and footwork. Brachy can get pretty predictable with how he overshoots the hunter on attacks.

[@le555]

@@OuroborosTalks you do enough hopping around in between guards that slimblight is not an issue and lance is on of the most mobile classes in Iceborn once you get use to the movement. I was an LS main then i switch to lance and realized that i could just stick to a monster and be aggressive like dual blades but with the added benefit of not budging an inch to powerful attacks.

[@TanegiHoneydew]

​@@OuroborosTalks with just only Anti-Blast Lv3 I can assure you Raging Brachy becomes one of the most satisfying fight for Lance I think some ppl even pulled it off without Anti-Blast, but I'm not at that level yet so I can't say anything about that personally lol

[@ZonaiHero-ul5nm]

Yes thank you for giving props to the lance. It is my personal favorite weapon. It may not be flashy. But it keeps you from carting very well.

[@OuroborosTalks]

Ironically I think Iceborne's Lance is the best version of the weapon because of the clutch claw. It's one of the few instances where Capcom integrated it into the moveset so well. Rise Lance is a bit of a letdown because it's Silkbinds are kinda garbage. Definitely my go to pick for fighting Tigrex and all its variants in any game though. Brute Tigrex is an absolute breeze with it.

[@ZonaiHero-ul5nm]

@@OuroborosTalks I wouldn’t say Lance silk binds are garbage I mean twin vine allows you to easily close gaps between monsters, plus the additional counters plays on its strengths, but to each their own.

[@OuroborosTalks]

My problem is that they generally feel really lackluster in comparison to other Silkbinds. The counter is really not that great because its effectiveness decreases as you get more points in guard. Twin vine can be helpful, but it feels like Lance really missed out on some kind of big beefy attack. Compare that to something like SnS Shoryugeki which has a guard point, counter, and deals massive damage, or GL Bullet Barrage which reloads and dumps everything all in one go, and you can understand my disappointment.

[@ZonaiHero-ul5nm]

@@OuroborosTalks Yeah I see what you’re saying here.

[@sneakerbb92]

Anchor rage is pretty good, but the rest is just not as great yea Twin vibe i kinda found useless as it takes 2 silk binds and most times the monster just ends up jumping out of range and breaks anyways Spiral thrust is okay with gap closer but can be janky as times Skyward thrust i absolutely hate, as its just a copy paste and doesnt even have a guard counter with some massive lag too I forgot the skill name but the one that allows you to turn instantly while guarding is pretty useful

[@pikarick8354]

each weapon feel so distinct from each other that it feels like you're playing a different game entirely. Recently re-played World with a new character after playing 1500+ quests with only gunlance and tried maining SnS for the new character and oh boy, I feel a child trying to relearn how to walk again. So much depth to what looks like a very simple weapon. Have to admit it is refreshing to have such good mobility with the SnS after maining one of the slower weapons in the game.

[@exclusiveextremo5799]

I know very well that feeling, for a while my main in Rise was Insect Glaive then I tried Gunlance, oh boy, the changed was not subtle but I freaking loved Gunlance and it is my main nowadays

[@OuroborosTalks]

I'm a big SnS fan, especially in Rise. Shoryugeki, while inconsistent at times, is so fun to use.

[@rept7]

I actually love Dual Blades, but the fact you don't like DB that much actually feels validating since it just emphasizes how diverse the weapons can feel. Fighting up close and personal with high mobility (especially with evasion skills and the aerial variant of my switch skills) just gets my neurons firing.

[@OuroborosTalks]

I understand why people like the weapon, but my neurons fire when I hit a move and feel that juicy hit lag

[@gaius5901]

Fighting all these monsters with a big, bulky sword so great and doing massive amounts of damage (if I hit) is so satisfying to me. And when you figure more of the monster's pattern, playing great with the GS feels like dancing with the monster and that imo, feels the most satisfying

[@LordShonji]

Lance is indeed the gentleman's. Not flashy or demains attention but gets the job done all the same

[@noahj151]

I love that every weapon in mh really just has its own personality. the only weapons that are sameie are hbg and lbg tbh. Its great because it makes the game feel fresh to try out different weapons.

[@OuroborosTalks]

It's honestly so much fun trying out new weapons. At this point, I've kinda settled into my favorites, so I hope that Wilds adds at least one new one.

[@opgroundzero2.0]

Sunbreak Lance is extremely different from whatever earlier versions are. Your main attacks are charged wide sweep and leaping thrust.

[@cyo_mh]

erm why would you sweep with a lance

[@TanegiHoneydew]

GU Striker Lance: basically a truck running over the monster constantly lmao I think Leaping Thrust is at least close enough to some of the more recent Lance since you still pair it with Shield Strafe / Back hop / 2nd & 3rd poke thrusts. I did get used to Wide Sweep play style comfortably, but yeah this one is not the same Lance vibe and required me to position myself differently.

[@ferrecool7886]

​@@cyo_mhyeah, like that's basically a glaive

[@nim4588]

I think talking about the insect glaive was a must because you can literally play air or ground, change your kinsect depends on your loadout/monster and 3 buffs and so many buff combos that are not a must but recommended, so you can change between 10 different playstyle focus/objective in a single hunt. Crazy

[@SupahTrunks7]

As a bow main I feel like it greatly rewards knowing exactly which parts of the monster are vulnerable and taking advantage of elemental weaknesses and ailments. The hunt is half decided before you even embark just by knowing which bow and coatings to bring to be most effective. And lining up that perfect dragon piercer is a shot of dopamine like no other

[@Kelm_Kisaragi]

As a Switch Axe player who occasionally swaps to Hunting Horn, Insect Glaive or Heavy Bowgun, i can definitely say that each weapon has it's own intricacies the Swaxe is good for slow moving monsters since i get a solid chance to build up ZSD for big damage, Wild Swing into Blade Morph is also a fun way to get small monsters off of you the Glaive needs to consistently hit the monster with the Kinsect because it sucks without the extracts and aiming it can be difficult, the Aerial attacks cannot bounce off so that's a big plus against monsters with armor or that can gain armor like Kirin and Velkhana Hunting Horn is a blunt weapon so tail cuts aren't possible but it's also really good at knocking down monsters while you buff up yourself and those around you, pretty sure it also has the best ground movement thanks to Self Improvement and rarely being low on stamina lastly, the HBG (or at least my HBG build) requires you to have really good positioning so you can hit all of the Spread Ammo pellets since there is a sweet spot, also having the slowest sheathing animation makes it difficult to stay out of harms way All in all, weapon variety is fun for approaching different monsters, sorry for the wall of text

[@cuellas1338]

Hey man, I main the same weapons as you except for the Hunting Horn (which I like too, just not as much), and adding the Gunlance (it's actually my main weapon). If you haven't tried it yet, maybe you should. To me, the Switchaxe feels like a weird Gunlance with more damage, maybe the gl for you gets to be a weird Switchaxe with a focus on consistency 😆

[@Kelm_Kisaragi]

Funnily enough, i have been thinking of trying out both Lance and Gunlance now that I've gotten some Offensive Guard and Artillery decorations

[@narffran8151]

Beeing a long term Swaxe Main and returning to MH after a year and a half i've been using Poweraxe Mode a massive amount. But my skills in SnS & Bow have dulled to an extent that I feel like a total noob again with weapons that were my bread & butter whenever Swaxe didn't suffice on monsters... but it's fun to build up skill again, even with HBG & Lance taht I never used in the past.

[@AvalonQueen34]

Glad to see some love for the lance, i'm a CB main but i been trying lance and let me tell you that you forget about all the flashy moves and finishers once the monster hits you with everything it has but your hunter it's still standing in the same spot as if nothing happened 😂

[@devranyilmaz9806]

Charge Blade is deceptively simple. Charge phials, charge blade, bonk monster until you can SUPER bonk it. The complicated part is how you stop the monster from interrupting you, but then again, it’s still deceptively simple. You have a shield after all, getting properly acquainted with how it works can make even the toughest bastards a cakewalk.

[@Rat_Fบcker]

there are truly no bad weapon only bad player and a gunlance main who always use Wyvern shot and knock you out of your combo

[@OuroborosTalks]

It's me. I'm the bad player

[@owensmith4159]

Charge Blade felt so so satisfying to learn to play, Savage Axe does ridiculous damage and it's versatility is top tier

[@TravTravRA]

I stand by my idea that while Nargacuga is the Dual Blades monster, Glavenus is the Great Sword monster, _Odogaron_ is the _Lance_ monster, because the main idea is to _be consistent, reposition, poke, and stick to your target like glue._ I'm a Lance main until I die, and using my sprinting speed move to catch up faster or do consistent unbroken damage during a knockdown is like _the best part_ of using the weapon, and it's insane there's a _peak_ like that for all 14.

[@KalsiFier]

That was really well done, never seen anyone put some love on our beloved Lance, you got yourself a new subscriber lado!

[@OuroborosTalks]

Thanks! I find Lance to be my safety pick. It had been awhile since I'd played MH when making this video, and Lance was the weapon I struggled least with when coming back to the series. LS on the other hand, ho boy my counter timings have fallen off.

[@iamleonidus1742]

I feel like I'm watching a commentary video of a channel that's way bigger than this. Randomly coming across wildly underrated channels like this is one of my favorite things

[@KaosuAiden]

Im subbing for that sickass opening and your glazing of my favorite game series of all time. ❤❤❤

[@Kro-RissaVirus]

Charge Blade my beloved. I got into this game a month or two ago and I stated with SnS and love that but Charge Blade has become my baby.

[@darthplagueis13]

Deviljho with SnS really isn't that bad. The trick is getting straight under him. Unless it's like a gold crown sized one, you have enough range to get hits on the belly, which is one of Jhos weaker spots, and furthermore, continuous attacks in the ankles can trip him over. I'd say the worst kind of fight for SnS is something like Azure Rathalos, monsters that basically spend most of the fight airborne.

[@horntail-wyvern2803]

Before starting world I was a sword and shield guy. Then I quickly did world with an lbg. Not bad, could be better, so I tried to become an all weapons master. It went well until I picked up Great Sword... Never came back. The TCS is a hell of a drug. Don't do it kids.

[@Skoll-Hati]

I've always been fairly monogamous with any weapon (I played the entireity of world with CB - - vast majority of iceborn with switch axe) However, every weapon brings with it a new joy. The versatility and mobility of SNS, the sheer bonk power of the Hunting Horn. I never though I would enjoy the bowguns buts the gattling gun on the HBG was so fun. Ever weapon has something so satisfying about it

[@Drac0nianTheboss]

welp. you've gotten a new subscriber from this vid. cant wait for the rest of MH May

[@OuroborosTalks]

I'll try my best to not disappoint!

[@drkpocoyo]

you dont mention my lovely Hunting horn ... but then, i feel it even more special

[@sliippy2152]

the only time i thought a weapon didn't really work well for a fight is cb against fatty, it's doable but it's very tedious until you get his armour and even then it's still problematic

[@SirBanana1992]

"The hunt definitely takes longer with a lance" Not me literally comitting mass monster genocides with methodical malice with the lance. It's not just my safest weapon, it's among my fastests and I'm someone who can jump from one weapon to another fairly easily. Leaping Thrust elemental lance goes BRRRRRR.

[@mishka1313]

The fact that CB gets you with the best of both worlds with being methodical with the execution makes the pull off 100% and Switch Axes gives you an insane amount of pverwhelming aggression are just both cherry on top of the MH series.

[@Bmafu]

I used to be a kinsect main until I tried hammer, I love turning my brain off and bonking away

[@OuroborosTalks]

Unga bunga go brrrr

[@deadbyhammer9815]

Fighting Primordial Malzeno with counter lance is one of the best fights I've had in all of the series

[@Fioriole]

I 100% agree. I like a very offense-oriented playstyle, and PriMalzeno is heavily rewarding for that. Phase 1 is a very honest 1-on-1, head-to-head duel. It'll precisely attack you straight on, much like your own pokes. Pretty simple instablock timings, but it's a shining example of that back-and-forth style of Lance that was mentioned in the video. It's a monster that doesn't take an eternity to wind up any attack, so there's a very natural rhythm to the fight. The later phases, it actually starts fighting dirtier, often crossing up your shield and throwing out projectiles that sometimes overlap with attacks from its main body. This heavily tests your positioning. It also has the unblockable quad-laser move to keep you on your toes, with your best response being Sheathing Retreat. Forces you not to rely on instablock too much. Final phase, when it starts its long combo strings, is an excellent final test for all of the Lance's abilities. You could turtle and suffer chip damage, but Malzeno's combo routes only have two variations, so you can feasibly memorize and preempt them, getting in instablock after instablock and squeezing in your own counter attacks while every other hunter is on the run from the onslaught. It really tests your pattern recognition, instablock timing, and positioning. One of the most satisfying fights in the series that makes you feel invincible once mastered.

[@Fuqes]

I made an evade window/extend GL build for primalz with the typical guard skills thrown in. Dodge everything I can to keep attack uptime and block what I can't. Suuuuch an incredible fight, especially with its armor that gets better the more aggressive you are

[@iambutter2784]

You got a follower out of me from these vids, everything about Monster Hunter is perfection to me. Its so complex and the difficulty never feels artificial it feels justified also... HAMMER!!!!!@

[@agame4free]

Miner thing I think Mhw footage for lance would have been better becouse you can really feel the counters in it

[@MH_MostWanted]

4:03 ... They are the best weapons after all.

[@Eaghan_Bester]

You kinda sound like great blue (also great video :3)

[@OuroborosTalks]

Damn, I'd never heard of him before, but I totally hear it.

[@hyperionhe432]

The hunting horn wasn't mentioned though it's also a weapon of terrible depth😢

[@blubeard7324]

Can you make a video on monster hunters hitboxes? The game has very good hitboxes and also very bad hitboxes, Alatreon is my fav fight because of how good his hitboxes are and then we got bs like lunastra and barioth.

[@hoofyfoots]

What is the song you use in your intro?

[@duckrobot3399]

Great vid bro!

[@OuroborosTalks]

Thanks!

[@RedMyxa]

To say bow is safe feels like a stretch. Sure youre ranged but with the expection of piece, u need to be close to deal real damage. Otherwise good Video ^^ I agree that most of the weapon feel distinct

[@SpunkyPotato987]

There seems to be a mistake with your thumbnail, it has the LBG icon with the rest of the weapons

[@OuroborosTalks]

It's really one of the weapons in Monster Hunter

[@sephirotten2413]

American lance will always be my favorite

[@steveverera9999]

Pretty great video, im surprised by the low af sub and view count. Minor nit pick though is Monster hunter is more comparable to Dark souls combat than Doom and Nier. Doom from 1-Eternal is way too fast, same with the combo of nier. Im pretty sure if you can run and Gun in MH like it's Doom 2 every monster would need a 2.5x speed multiplier.

[@OuroborosTalks]

The point of the DOOM comment was more about the agression and mobility factor. I was thinking about DB and IG when I made that comment. I was talking about the fluidity and combos of NieR, so I feel like CB and LS fit the bill there. Those comments were definitely hyperbolic. I know MH is closest to Dark Souls, but we can still draw parallels to other games.

[@chewbacachunks8644]

Lol. I can tell you don't play SnS. Deviljho is a perfectly fine matchup. In fact SnS actually has no bad matchups. And in Iceborne it has some of the highest dps in the game with perfect rush. Advice for fighting Deviljho, just keep hitting his legs. When he tries to do his counter attack you can just slinger burst his face and knock him into a huge topple. Then go to town on his chest for huge damage with a few perfect rush combos. It's actually a great matchup.

[@OuroborosTalks]

I do play SnS. You literally proved my point by saying, "Just keep hitting his legs." You're limited to hitting a bad hitzone. Savage Deviljho's hindlegs have a slicing hit zone of 33 and blunt of 36 both of which are not enough to proc WEX. You would need to tenderize them which SnS can't do without a tenderizer gem, and we all now how rare those are. Compare that to something like Lance or Long Sword which can both better target areas even while Jho is not toppled. We can even look at the time attack runs on the leaderboards. SnS ranks 13th of 14 on the time attack ruleset against Savage Deviljho. It only beats out Gunlance. For the freestyle ruleset, it ranks 8th. While considerably better, it's still middle of the pack at best. I understand that SnS can do just fine against Jho. Every weapon can defeat every monster. I'm not trying to clown on the weapon or those who play it but, compared to other weapons, it is objectively more difficult to use against Jho.

[@chewbacachunks8644]

@@OuroborosTalks tenderizer gems aren't too rare. With just a bit of farming some of the event quests you should be drowning in them. Also you do know that SnS can wound in one clutch claw without clutch claw boost? The clutch claw uppercut allows you to wound in one go. Once you get familiar with using the uppercut it becomes really easy to keep up tenderizes. If we are talking Speedrunning it might be weaker than others due to it's range. But it isn't hard. Not even close. I am by no means a speedrunner and I find Deviljho easy with the SnS.

[@chewbacachunks8644]

Also the MHworld leaderboard site you are likely getting information from is old. It hasn't been updated in a very long time. There have been records broken since the site has gone dormant and it hasn't been updated. Also it still has runs on it that belong to a runner who was outed for cheating. But since it hasn't been updated those runs are still up. It is still the most comprehensive and detailed look at freestyle and TA runs we have. But unfortunately since the site is dead it doesn't give the whole picture.

[@OuroborosTalks]

I had about 300 hours on my Xbox account and only got 1 tenderizer gem despite farming event quests dozens of times. I also have always found the clutch claw uppercut to be really inconsistent especially against a lot of MR monsters since they can sometimes move sporadically. Add on top of that my distaste for the clutch claw in general and I tend to not use it. I'll agree to disagree with you here. I really feel SnS does worse than most weapons against Jho, but you're welcome to think otherwise.

[@alifgayuh974]

Lance with brachy and sns with deviljho? Bro's describing my playstyle

[@stormwyvernsorna9491]

Ouroboros: no one person will played all weapon in monster hunter Me: hahahahahahaha you underestimated me i main EVERY SINGLE WEAPON IN MONSTER HUNTER AND HAS 106 DIFFERENT WEAPON IN MY ITEM BOX IN MONSTER HUNTER WORLD!!!! also there are i channel called, just some meme. The name maybe a joke but the person is not a joke he also uses every single weapon in monster hunter and he started before me and i just got the game in like march this year but you get the point me and him uses every weapon but there is some pros and cons tough

[@OuroborosTalks]

I didn't say that? I said that no one will play each weapon the same. As in, everyone will have a different playstyle for each weapon.

[@stormwyvernsorna9491]

No yes you did btw what weapon did you main Edit: yes you did say that i eas wrong which is funny because i went a bit overboard flexing my 106 different weapon and actually didn't use three of them that being the barroth blaster lll, barroth breaker lll, and the empress sword "ruin" 😂

[@OuroborosTalks]

"No one person will play each weapon the same too." I don't really main a weapon. I typically rotate between SnS, CB, Lance, and LS. I'd say SnS is probably my most consistent though.

[@stormwyvernsorna9491]

@@OuroborosTalks i see you like vesitallity, enjoy complicated weapon guide but a satisfying result, being an impenetrable ironwall, and also being an wiabu who is wildly whipping it out

[@pokinginpractice9108]

This is not how you use lance in mhr.

[@Hooy-H00y]

It's an acquired taste, but the Ranged Weapons although being tricky to build sets for, are EXTREMELY rewarding to play well. people may shrug these weapons off at first, but there's a REASON why all these weapons have guaranteed top spots on so many speedrun tier lists. No matter how good you get at playing long sword or dual blades, an HBG main will always, ALWAYS be better than you.

[@OuroborosTalks]

I mean yes they're incredibly effective, but I don't find them very fun. I want more diverse gameplay other than shoot and shoot slightly different.

[@brojakmate9872]

You haven't played Dark Souls if you think Monster Hunter combat is good. The bosses in Monster Hunter literally can't kill you because they deal so low damage. What is the point of mastering the combat if the enemy is so easy?

[@XxWarmancxX]

Bait used to be believable.

[@mak_itself]

really sounds like you didnt play monster hunter. The game is made so the fights lasts long, while in dark souls you kill a boss or it kills u in 5 min max.

[@Agus-fw7dl]

The monster deal low damage? The fight was easy? *laughs with primordial malzeno, fatalis, and furious rajang But i think the real quesgion here would be, why should we compare those two games, which at its core, different?

[@ol_fortune9474]

Played DS, boring combat, just hit and roll, few combo connection, bland moveset.

[@brojakmate9872]

Yeah keep coping Monster Hunter fans. I literally reach end credit in World with just the beginner armour 🤣. From the first boss to the last, nothing can kill you. You don't do anything but killing bosses in this game but unironically the bosses here are not as good as Dark Souls The combat just revolve around using the move with the most damage so that the boss die faster

[@RedMyxa]

To say bow is safe feels like a stretch. Sure youre ranged but with the expection of piece, u need to be close to deal real damage. Otherwise good Video ^^ I agree that most of the weapon feel distinct