The Iroquois Confederacy II: Culture (pre-contact)

[@vladbunin8432]

Thank you for being so thorough and dedicating the time to research!

[@totallylegitbusinessperson6803]

This is the most coverage ice found on the Iroquois confederacy. Thank you for making some content on it!

[@ceciliacrocker390]

Interesting, thanks, this gives me more avenues to research .

[@patrickknowles9730]

I'm an Oklahoma Cherokee and I'm loving the info on Iroquoian culture. Anyway you could do a Cherokee series/video? Would consider donating

[@DaveT383]

Mr Yanis, these are excellent videos on the other States of America. Fascinating history - thanks for pitting these together!

[@TheScamper44]

hey Eric, yes, I’m getting to the party late - but, I’m following by subject, so will not be in sequence, k? great work, @ Eric!

[@theotherstatesofamericahis5212]

You must listen reverse alphabetically!

[@andrewrackliff8223]

In Northern Maine, where my wife grew up, you got time off from school for the Harvest and they had festivals and such to commemorate the week or so of time off that the children helped the adults bring it in. Dunno if they still do Harvest break or not.

[@michaeldulmage8449]

Don't apologize for facts!!!!

[@teioronhiathephillips477]

We call the Fals face grandfather and he is a good spirit who helps drive away sickness and bad spirits he is also known as a protector for the people

[@guyinacoffeeshop2239]

Thank you. More please. Apache? Sioux? Cheyenne? Comanche? Cherokee?

[@theotherstatesofamericahis5212]

Eventually podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-other-states-of-america-history-podcast/id1507224670

[@jamesnave1249]

This, very much this

[@jbradentraw2083]

Do you have a link/source with more info on the role of “effeminate men” in Haudenosaunee and the distinction? Would love to do more reading on the subject

[@NotoriousSRG]

So good this exists.

[@TheScamper44]

Clans - seems like we can’t get away from them, whether it’s the Cherokee, (my ancestry), Iroquois tribes, etc al; and the Irish, Scots, and Scots-Irish. (“I’s & S,’s” also my ancestry). all of them clan-ish, and the area I reside in continues to be “clanish.” btw, that’d be the foothills of the Appalachian mtn. chain, in N.E. AL. super commentary @Eric! ps: there were six tribes, that made up the Iroq. Federation. I noted u mentioned that there were “five.” if u take into consideration the Cherokee, there would have been seven, (but no evidence of that ever being the case).

[@theotherstatesofamericahis5212]

@@TheScamper44 I have a ways to go before the Tuscarora joined as the 6th, they were the 5 nations in the era covered here.

[@CuriousCritter17]

Appreciate all you do. Ir a kwa

[@woodspirit98]

Clans are the reason why fathers didn't raise their own children. The mothers uncle's acted as fathers to her children. Men didn't choose their wife. It was the clan mothers who decided marriages. Usually they paired a young man to an older woman. That way a woman and her family were assured of protection and food resources. The young man benefitted by learning the ways of their nation.

[@dylansmith5469]

False faces and floating heads are two totally different things. False faces are a mask society and with out getting into too much detail are good and used for healing and in ceremonies. Floating heads are bad spirits that eat people and such. Great podcast though! Really enjoying listening.

[@brianblockchain6039]

I always wondered why they wore wigs. Never thought it might have something to do with lice.

[@KombatFlix]

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[@NotoriousSRG]

Source list?

[@theotherstatesofamericahis5212]

Not the most professional presentation, but the back half or so are all the sources for season one anchor.fm/osoa/episodes/Season-One-Endnotes-eq3d02

[@NotoriousSRG]

@@theotherstatesofamericahis5212 awesome thank you!

[@woodspirit98]

Not all of those clans exist anymore I some of the six nations.

[@shiverarts8284]

There were new ones though too? Right? For us that's the case, some went out, and we made new ones too

[@ceciliacrocker390]

​@@shiverarts8284, mine is gone to colonization with french...

[@eddrupz1805]

Please list your sources

[@theotherstatesofamericahis5212]

Mostly reruns of Quantum Leap kzbin.info/www/bejne/hJ7NiJiNi5ysibs www.goodreads.com/user/show/56987369-eyani

[@lindakay9552]

Putting religious traditions aside, this episode sounds exactly like a Hutterite colony.

[@gwcnetwork9672]

Hi

[@peterwilms3510]

Merci🌷🌷🌷🐴🐴🐴🇳🇱🐴🐴🐴🌷🌷🌷

[@ceciliacrocker390]

The vulnerable sector are still considered a second class citizen in modern day, no indigenous needed, 🙃😉

[@frogzaremyvibe]

ela project btw, my bm is 34:29

[@theotherstatesofamericahis5212]

@@frogzaremyvibe bm hopefully doesn't stand for bowel movement

[@frogzaremyvibe]

@@theotherstatesofamericahis5212 book mark haha

[@NotoriousSRG]

Just glosses over the communism by not calling it such.

[@theotherstatesofamericahis5212]

Marx studied Lewis Henry Morgan work on the Iroquois when developing his theories, i suppose they are an example of Proto-communism, although i would argue that label would be anachronistic. The Iroquois are a document influence on Marxist thought.

[@NotoriousSRG]

@@theotherstatesofamericahis5212 based response. Thank you. In any case, the system sustained and not insignificant number of people for a long time.

[@woodspirit98]

Communism didn't exist then. The colonies forming a federal govt were based on the Iroquois confederacy. Hence trade and defence were the original reason for the federal govt. Is that communism? If that's what you are looking for and how you wish to perceive the world. Communism has never worked.

[@shiverarts8284]

@@NotoriousSRG redditor... I mean this is as accurate as it comes...

[@yolobuck2553]

The Iroquois are 100% correct about gender. There are 2

[@teatree993]

Hi, you should read this : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-spirit

[@yolobuck2553]

@@teatree993 that is called a lie

[@teatree993]

Ah OK so it must be a very well documented lie repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1347&context=mjlr

[@petebondurant58]

@teatree993 From the “article” you posted: “Coined in 1990 as a primarily ceremonial term promoting community recognition…” It has NOTHING to do with actual indigenous historical reality.

[@FranklinKettle]

Do your thang tho

[@FranklinKettle]

Every Iroquois have the same clans im from seneca nation catt rez in new york it makes me laugh when i hear out siders talking about us

[@theotherstatesofamericahis5212]

Yes now they have the same clans, this is part of the mechanism of the Haudenosaunee the continual overlapping of connections, but before confederation this does not appear to be so, one remnant being the distribution of peace chiefs between nations on the grand council, which many believe indicated the number of clans each nation had, as it does not appear based on population, as collectively each nations chiefs are equally part of the consensus making process, although roles vary.

[@theotherstatesofamericahis5212]

Of course they shared clan names not every nation at one point had every clan

[@FranklinKettle]

@@theotherstatesofamericahis5212 lol who told you this your white man book you read ask me onodawaga and United States were tricked into using are ideal it's the same exact democracy

[@FranklinKettle]

@@theotherstatesofamericahis5212 stop with opinions because your opinions are wrong

[@FranklinKettle]

@@theotherstatesofamericahis5212 there is a 8 th secret clan the Onondaga has its when' the same clan merryd they become eal clan

[@ceciliacrocker390]

Christmas and holidays are of pagan religion and an even bigger story...🫣