The Journey Back to My True Identity (Part 2) - Walt Heyer & Kathy Grace Duncan

Walt Heyer and Kathy Grace Duncan share their transgender journeys - Walt lived as a woman for 8 years, Kathy Grace lived as a man for 11 years.
Walt describes how his sexual identity confusion began very early due to a grandmother who made him a purple evening dress plus sexual abuse from a family member. Walt began identifying as a woman as a way to be safe and affirmed.
Kathy Grace observed how her father abused her mother, and decided she’d rather be a man; worthy and strong, rather than weak like her mother. She started living a double-identity life before Kindergarten.
Walt and Kathy Grace describe how God began to intervene in their lives, and how pastors and churches offered them help to transition back to their biological sex. Both Walt and Kathy Grace share powerful transformational stories about how God healed them. They also discuss how normalizing and affirming people who experience gender confusion ignores the underlying wounds and disorders they are experiencing.
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[@tinkerchristoferson7672]

“Changing gender is the suicide we live through “ WOW. I wish every human being could hear these incredible people and glean wisdom

[@patriciaseyfferle1427]

Here's a question: I wonder what Bruce Jenner, a/k/a "Kylie," thinks of boys competing in sports as girls? He was the top male athlete in the world, winning the decathlon at the Olympics (68? 72? 76? I don't remember). His musculature, bone density, strength and height were all advantages that he obviously worked hard to develop and build up to make himself the fastest, strongest male athlete in the world. What if, prior to that point in his life, he had decided he had to "live his truth," and live and compete as a girl? Does he think that would have been a fair competition? Does he think the testosterone in his body that makes his bones denser, his muscles bigger and stronger, and partly makes him taller than the other competitors would have been affected by his self-identification?

[@snowviolet508]

That struck me as so profound too.

[@judylloyd7901]

@@patriciaseyfferle1427 Bruce Jenner (aka Caitlin) was featured in many magazines, but I remember one where he was saying that he "missed" Bruce, and was expressing some regret for changing. I think perhaps the trouble was that he was too much of a public figure, and had made the whole transition very public, so he felt he was kinda stuck with it. That's just my perception. Only Bruce knows for sure. (I know he identifies as "Caitlin" now, but he's really still Bruce to me.)

[@ziggy3486]

That was amazing right?!

[@dianewhite9398]

May they be healed

[@mtngirl6308]

I would like to see FOTF create and have a series that families can share with their children. We NEED to get real with our youth today. The enemy is hard at work attacking the minds, hearts and souls of our children.

[@tknows470]

Agreed! I think we need a teen version and one for younger kids.

[@jenamreynoso]

Absolutely agree

[@cynthiahackett1956]

This is addressed with dignity and love. If only more people would approach this from the fact most children were not treated well as a child. They punished themselves because an adult did not protect them.

[@alexguerra1668]

Right! Rather than, “AGHH, WHAT’S WRONG WITH THIS GENERATION!” 😅😢 We all need to reflect .. Sin is never a personal issue .. the ripple effect is real.

[@BLUELOVEFOREVER1]

I think we can still say, what’s wrong with this generation. Just without the Aug! And next, what can we do to help, because this is very much a culture thing.

[@joelinaalba533]

I feel so sorry for these children who have suffered so much. Jesus loves them even more, but longs to redeem them and give them a new life, new joy

[@indriadrayton1132]

I love this guy. It isn't about gender issues. Something much deeper is going on!!

[@prisonerohope6970]

Brothers and sisters such as these, in their honesty and vulnerability, teach us, comfort us, are excellent and praiseworthy!~Phil. 4:8

[@michellelanger6936]

Although he focused on that too much. For some people there isn’t an incident. But after have an appearance or even mannerisms that are culturally more typical of the opposite gender….every morning that time in the mirror IS the incident and they experience it day day after day after day

[@Beckenpower]

Thank you for this very respectful way you tackle this topic! "My job is to love you. It's his job to change you." And the testemony of Kathy Grace confirms exactly that. If only we Christians could really embrace this approach not only in this area, but in all matter of sin. A "you are sinners" sign will (seldom) bring people to Jesus but loving them unconditionally and bringing them to the loving and changing arms of Christ, that's what really changing hearts and people!

[@merideewilson555]

I knew I had issues. Their sharing helped me "get it." I feel alot better. I know I 'll make more progress now. I see better where the hints of gender brokeness whispered in my heart. I am confident complete peace is waiting for me from the Holy Spirit's guidance and healing. Thanks for promoting truth and hope!!

[@BeLovelyOK]

@@merideewilson555 hugs 🤗

[@laever1804]

@@merideewilson555 Praise the Lord, that He brought you to this show, and speak to you. Praying for you! Hugs to you!

[@lauriemaddux9597]

I would love for you to have Kathy Grace back and interview her separately. I sense she has more to share.

[@annettehauck4429]

And Walt as well. More of this! Honest sharing.

[@frannajohnson8203]

She looks 😥 sad

[@susantulleynehus5054]

@@frannajohnson8203 I pray that the Lord Jesus fill her with His joy.

[@mrsinhim7960]

@@susantulleynehus5054 Beautiful sentiments! Yes, let’s lift her up to God’s heart!

[@rlm9093]

I wanted to hear more from her as well....So I searched her name on utube. You can actually find a few utube videos where she is speaking and sharing. I'm going to watch them now. There is something about her story that really touches me.

[@yellow.marisa]

"The difference is that I am no longer decieved" . Boom.

[@jonetteanderson9618]

What happened to cause them to not like who they are? The truth will set you free.

[@judylloyd7901]

@@jonetteanderson9618 They cover that in session one 😊

[@Vir2ousWarrior]

Amen!!!!

[@Parrotgirl-tattoo]

LOL that's what I just said when I heard it. 🥰

[@4evahis343]

Thank you Kathy Grace and Walt for your vulnerability and truth. The body of Christ needs to hear from you.

[@sterlingwalters]

There are MANY people in the church who don't believe that the Lord loves them even when they sin. Such a powerful statement from Kathy Grace about unconditional love and not living in fear.

[@dianealbert3]

Bless you all !!! So acurate in everything that had to be said… 💜✝️💜

[@cultivatelife8645]

The Lord woos them and loves them thru His word . So sweet. He is so gentle in how he prunes us . I love how the Holy Spirit blew into Kathy right at the moment she bravely confessed truth. God's transformative power !

[@girlmeetshomestead]

I love that this discussion is happening in such a loving way. Thank you, Focus on the Family. This is going to help many. ♥️

[@m.r.6222]

Both their testimonies are amazing. I'm so blessed and encouraged.

[@suehendrickson5367]

So wanted to hear more from Kathy Grace. Felt like she had so much more to share... Please have her back.

[@mrsinhim7960]

@Sue Hendrickson, if you type “Kathy Grace Duncan” in the KZbin magnifier, you will see more videos featuring her!

[@lorenacaballero3405]

Our job as Christians is to love each other and God's part is to change each person!! 💘🎯

[@hollygrant3799]

I appreciated the raw authenticity of all Walt had to say and would love to hear more from Kathy Grace Duncan! Please bring her back!

[@mrsinhim7960]

@Hollyheart crafts, if you type “Kathy Grace Duncan” in the KZbin magnifier, you will see more videos featuring her!

[@prisonerohope6970]

I love her confident demeanor and calm joy. She is a lovely example for women. Very dignified.

[@trinidad2450]

Walt and Kathy Grace are shining examples of what can happen when we totally surrender to the Lord Jesus. Oh my! When we step out in faith courageously, He give us the power to follow through with what He wants to do in our lives. Thank you Focus on the Family.

[@mtngirl6308]

This conversation really requires much more time that 25 minutes. Please consider having more conversation with these two. Thank you

[@lipi9035]

Right! More than hour is appropriate for me!

[@Nyny.1000]

Did you catch part 1?

[@susantulleynehus5054]

Please bring them both back individually so we can hear more of each person’s truth and wisdom. I pray for them. Thank you FOTF.

[@juliaaap922]

Kathy your story is so much more and deep! Wish you spoke more, I love when you speak of Jesus.

[@leanncleveland3777]

I like the honesty of this discussion.

[@jeannekahle3344]

Thank you for approaching this subject with grace and truth! Much needed discussion,in the Christian community.

[@BreakthroughHolyFire]

I'm so thankful you're offering free resources to those we love.Amen

[@RealSnail3D]

Oh thank you Jesus for these 4 precious children of yours!! Hallelujah!

[@karenboyd942]

Our job is to love them 💜❤️💙

[@Danielhill45689]

Among the nation, scholars are the most trustable people in the presence of Allah.🌸🌸🌸🌸🌸

[@psalmsreader7997]

"Transitioning is the suicide that you live through" wow! That sounds true. It's really a form of total escapism.

[@susantulleynehus5054]

Such deeply thoughtful words that he has lived. So many people need to hear this.

[@carolineboenig7777]

Wow, that is one of the most accurate descriptions I've heard! 'Total escapism'.

[@sarahk6996]

VERY WELL SAID!!

[@JesusChristisKingandLord]

Jesus took me out of my desire to be homosexual. COME LORD JESUS COME!

[@kated4359]

Praising Jesus for your homecoming!!! Welcome to the family of Christ!!🤍

[@izzygee2216]

Amen 🙏🏽

[@Blondie2.0]

@@kated4359 Me too

[@_Iscream]

How so?

[@faitha.2484]

Feed The Spirit, deny the flesh😇✝️

[@rosemariealmero1214]

Thank you so much for helping me to realize how to live with my brothers and sisters that are in different walks of life ❤

[@dianaflegal4495]

Thank you Kathy Grace and Walt! ❤️ this is a beautiful example of redemption!

[@gingertankersley2997]

I'm very impressed and intrigued by your church's love for you in your transgender identity. You both were involved and committed to your church community. And through that community the Lord worked in your spirit to bring you to true identity in Him.

[@dr.sammypryor]

Powerful testimony, for sure! Thank you Kathy Grace and Walt Heyer for bringing this important topic to light through your testimony!

[@reneswartz8916]

This was so profound to listen to. Getting to the truth.

[@dianaflegal4495]

Yes, thank you for covering this issue! We need to be speaking about the things our children are wrestling with.

[@nicolepreou6754]

Shout truth from the rooftops! Praise Jesus our redeemer! 🥲❤🙌

[@sherm213]

Transgender to Transformation!!! This was Awesome.

[@reinavarhas6286]

Thank you Lord for these two beautiful lives ❤️ who have been restored back to you

[@anneerickson6347]

Thank you, Walt! The Truth (Jesus) will set you free!

[@Xchange555]

Thank you for the amazing speakers, Kathy and Walt are beautiful, love their courage and honesty.

[@Oregon197]

So much love and deeper understanding in this 2 part interview on this subject... ❤️

[@tanyadixon7980]

This is the best brief presentation of why some people don't like what gender they are. Thanks for revealing these suicides of the heart, and God's solution that brought these individuals the reality of truth of their brokenness, and the healing that comes through dealing honestly with it through the compassion of genuine counsel and the power and love of Christ.

[@Weissguys6]

Tanya, how perfectly spoken dear sister ❤️

[@deniseA0223]

Thank You for your bravery. Thank you for sharing the very difficult things in your life so that others may come to the truth also. May Armloads of Blessings rain down upon you both.

[@prisonerohope6970]

I agree.

[@rethavrey5992]

From broken to their real self redeemed in Jesus Christ. Love ❤️

[@stephenoni2019]

Jesus is the answer! I do have to say that this discussion is appropriate for younger listeners! Children are taught about these things as soon as they can understand English! We need to train up the next generation as soon as possible!

[@faithf5846]

Amen. Our role is to Love Amen ❤. Thank you for your testimony, I hope you both can be heard at young liberal church.

[@suzannekuehn4287]

Thank you so much for this conversation! It is so important!

[@mysteeprince1358]

Excellent! Thank you!

[@MissGracelovesu]

"No, my job's just to love you, and it's God's job to change you."

[@lynnm.2019]

Even so come quickly Lord Jesus!✝️💕💕💕🙌 I always love hearing from Grace and Walt.

[@Jrmh-]

I am so grateful for this posting. Thank you for your boldness. ✝️

[@christyrn8009]

Love your profile scripture. My testimony and life verse. ❤️

[@debbiemilnerlively1564]

incredible! So needed today with all the confusion. Wish the world could hear this!

[@skyeshaebonati6776]

Thank you FOTF so much for this discussion. This is so helpful in my family and work situation.

[@mariaceciliaborja9998]

Thank you for sharing your program on youtube. Your subject is relevant all over the world and I was able to understand more what's really going through with the LGBTQ community.

[@Cristosaveskids]

Wowww!! Powerful!! Thank you for your humble hearts to share your testimonies! Our Almighty Lord continue blessing you, both!!!🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🌺🌺🌺🌺🌺🌺😃😃😃😃😃😃😃😃🇵🇪🇵🇪🇵🇪

[@kerrynjordaan]

What beautiful people what a blessing.

[@kathyraber2026]

Thanks for this interview. Helping increase compassion for others. It makes me think about those people who may think weight loss surgery can solve all their problems. External changes are temporal. Gods love is eternal. Thanks Kathy and Walt for your honesty and courage.

[@wk1810]

THIS!! Yes, so true about weight loss surgery. It's the same as Walt expressed in part 1 about how his grandmother's affirmation of his wearing the purple dress translated to him that he was unacceptable as a boy. I have stage 3 lipedema -- an hormone-driven adipose tissue disorder which affects 11% of the female population, with no known cure, and is resistant to diet and exercise -- and every time someone suggests I lose weight it fills me with deep shame and guilt, that I am so unacceptable as I am.

[@evelynreyes6716]

Thank you for being bold to shed light into this issue-especially for us as the church to walk in love, compassion and understanding.

[@sheresejames-grow1779]

Just seeing this. It was so incredibly great!

[@Ark-Angel44]

Sadly, too many don't survive. Brokenness is everywhere. Grateful for both Kathy Grace and how the Lord has redeemed their lives to bless so many others.

[@kaisienes]

Thank you for speaking about this topic. It is relevant and much needed!

[@davidandshera744]

Thank you for the courage to share this!

[@nelarizaj1613]

It really opened my eyes to real compassion for the transgenders.

[@bobbi543]

This opened up my eyes to my family and what is happening and how to look at it in a different perspective, but yet also wonder on some of the stuff Walt went through and could it be what happened in my family.. very painful memories

[@syracuse_]

I cried when Walt told the story about Jesus picking him up as a baby. 🥲

[@taylormckenzie8897]

This was so informative and it would be great if there was a part 3, they definitely have more to share. Please share until complete!

[@EzekielsCall]

Thank you so much for sharing all this Kathy and Walt. I have loved ones in this same situation as what you both went through, the things that led to the desire to be the opposite gender. Between this snd hearing others stories and also a great video about what causes male homosexuality to develop, I feel like I have a better understanding how to help them. I see from this talk that the same kinds of things that lead males to this brokenness are often the same for females. Thanks again. Prayers for everyone struggling with this brokenness and for those who minister to them

[@bridgeofgraceandyou5687]

Gods grace is amazing and relevant.

[@christyrn8009]

Prayers for healing.

[@yolirankin9733]

What a beautiful vision to see Jesus himself come to you (Walt) and say to baby Walt-“you are safe with me forever.” 💙✝️💙

[@veganc5028]

I was a tomboy as a child. If I was living in today's culture, people would be pushing me to be a male which is ridiculous because I am a woman, a female, and happy to be one but I was rough and a tomboy as a child.

[@motherpeacock1937]

Me too!

[@corienwalters2610]

Thank you to know how your lives where and now be in to help people❤

[@philippaatheartways590]

wonderful testimony, so encouraging for people in trouble with this "issue"

[@annashepard6337]

Excellent. Praise to You Lord Jesus Christ, King of endless Glory!

[@Jesusandmentalhealth]

Beautiful!!!

[@rosemarymckinnon7517]

Excellent discussion

[@maryborland5761]

Oh my... Jesus came to him... through a minister giving 2 hours of time in prayer... So challenging..

[@lyndarestrepo6562]

Really thankful for this...

[@deb9784]

So many of us sinners have been broken here in this world! So we all come to Jesus in the same way! Needy! I love the grace that draws us into relationtionship with our LORD! Then HE begins to make all things new! Isaiah 42:3 A bruised reed He will not break, And smoking flax He will not quench; He will bring forth justice for truth. Then HE graces is with the ability to share our powerful testimony and healing with others! May the LORD bless their ministries and their families! Thank you FOCUS for your courage to bring their testimonies to us!

[@gladyskravitzjr825]

Walt’s testimony is stunning ✝️

[@AspenSenaSenaAspen]

Kathy grey is my favorite person to listen to! Walt is amazing and my parents messaged him. I still am trans but I found Jesus

[@lindseyharvell555]

Wow. Such truth and love to know how to love those who are struggling with this.

[@90cyar]

thank you for sharing and doing what you’re doing ❤️🔥 powerful testimony !

[@mayapitoy]

Thank you so much for this podcast. Hearing from Indonesia 🇮🇩

[@mamaburr2963]

Kathy Grace and Walt testimony was so powerful...They accepted Jesus Christ as there Lord and Savior....and knew the true love of Jesus Christ....It takes courage to change and to learn the truth....When Walt talked about a place of brokenness..I couldn't stop crying...I am a Christian married women and when he explained brokenness and to seek truth...Because the truth will set you free....Only Jesus can heal that broken place inside of me....Thank you......for sharing and living in your truth....

[@garyteague5182]

You are very obedient to Christ to share your stories. Thank you both n focus family too

[@isaacdebas9532]

Thank you for your honesty.

[@kathrynludrick4821]

Thank you!

[@S3140741]

Thank Christ!, He never rejects those the Father has given Him. He will loose none of them!

[@katieburns3058]

Very respectful interview..thank you!

[@lilia4812]

Thank you for these testimonies, for the love, and respect. I am thankful that you allowed yourself to hear God's love. I am thankful that I can learn from your experiences and it helps me learn how to walk in God's amazing love.

[@daringgreatly8473]

Thank you for sharing! Powerful and insightful!

[@Howielate24]

Excellent, powerful testimony 🙏❤️

[@vern0018]

Beautiful testimonies.

[@MegaNicolemarie]

This was excellent and very beautiful to watch Thank you for sharing 😊

[@carolbuczkowske822]

A sister n law and two nieces!! Please pray for them!!

[@focusonthefamily]

Thanks for sharing, Carol. Be assured of our prayers for your sister-in-law and nieces. Our God cares more deeply than we can imagine and is faithful to respond according to His perfect wisdom. Also, if you or your loved ones ever need a listening ear, please don’t hesitate to get in touch with us. Here’s the contact info: bit.ly/2ItKdoE. God bless you.

[@MsGinahidesout]

This is great and extremely informative!

[@letecianti109]

Well done!!!

[@chelys2]

Walter found the truth and it set him free now he lives in that truth.

[@staylor8847]

I pray for your amazing ministry! I had watched another episode with walt's story and I love the honesty and Gods grace that shines. I wish for more men to raise up like Walt and want to get to the heart of why..what makes you think ..what happened...our home ended. For Kathy story, it is so true, you never know how much of an impact the effects of domestic violence will have on your home, verbal, physical or emotional abuse. Thank you for sharing yourselves.

[@90cyar]

Wow beautiful testimonies ❤️😭

[@chelys2]

Kathy realized she was deceived When she realized she use to say "I am a man who lived as a woman" and when confronted she admitted "I am a woman living like a man" The truth was in her she confessed it and it set her free.

[@Blondie2.0]

AMEN..lord JESUS