The Key Difference No One Talks About | Twin Tube vs Mono Tube Shocks (Is High Pressure Good?)

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Tinkerer's Adventure

Tinkerer's Adventure

Күн бұрын

A comprehensive story of twin tube vs mono tube shock absorbers. Clearing up a key difference most overlooked and many misconceptions regarding shock constructions, nitrogen pressure and shock fade. As always, we look at theoretical analysis as well as real world examples, using Toyota OE shocks, Ironman Foam Cell Pro as well as Bilstein 5100s. Nevertheless, these knowledge applies to all twin tube and mono tube for Toyota trucks, such as Old Man Emu, King, Fox, Icon, Radflo, Eibach and many more.
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0:00 Intro
00:53 Shock Constructions
05:49 Shock Pressure
10:05 Shock Fade

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@DeuceDeuceBravo
@DeuceDeuceBravo Жыл бұрын
Fantastic explanation. I've been a gearhead for 30 years and this is probably the best description I've seen of the designs. Keep up the great work!
@Michael_Tran
@Michael_Tran Жыл бұрын
I love how detailed you are in your videos! I shows you do your research before putting your videos together. Great job!
@Absolute_Unit135
@Absolute_Unit135 Жыл бұрын
I love the videos featuring the Ironman foam cell pros. When I was buying mine, there was a lot of of mixed info and uncertainty on the forums regarding the performance and longevity of the foam cell twin tube design. Wish your videos existed back then so I could feel at ease buying the shocks. I appreciate you showing the raw data and conclusions in each videos focus with the foam cell pros being an example of a shock design that doesn’t follow the same mono tube construction as most of the other shocks available on the market right now. Keep up the awesome work, Kai!
@chrisgarage7848
@chrisgarage7848 Жыл бұрын
Tinkerer, great work! You are leading the way in off-road educational videos. By far the best. Keep up the good work.
@NYskyHI
@NYskyHI Жыл бұрын
the internet needs more content like this! keep them coming!
@snart87
@snart87 Жыл бұрын
So much information yet presented in a way that is easy to understand. Keep up the good work!
@Millsy67
@Millsy67 10 ай бұрын
I’ve been running the Ironman Foam Cell Pro in my 2012 200 series cruiser here in Australia for several years touring and towing and it’s been faultless. It’ll definitely be getting replaced with Ironman again. Thanks for another cracking video 👌🏼👍🏼🙌🏼
@alanmohn4146
@alanmohn4146 Жыл бұрын
This is the most informative and clearest presentation on shock construction I have seen in my 30 years of working on cars. I look forward to more of your videos.
@briankuhn5021
@briankuhn5021 Жыл бұрын
Dude, I reference your videos all of the time with all my yota friends. Keep up the good content and continue to take your time making videos. Thats what sets you apart from other youtubers. You don’t just post tons of videos to get likes and subs. Keep up the great scientific work.
@vikingmike8139
@vikingmike8139 8 ай бұрын
Very informative. Also, cutting through the marketing hype without bias is also very helpful. Cheers!
@TrailTape
@TrailTape Жыл бұрын
The quality of your videos continues to be amazing. Thank you so much for the time and effort you put into making them. I learned a lot!
@rhcockrum8746
@rhcockrum8746 11 ай бұрын
Best explanation of shock function I have ever seen. No one else ever explained the differences. Thanks!
@briangc1972
@briangc1972 7 ай бұрын
Excellent explanation of both designs. Without a doubt, this is one of the best automotive engineering channels.
@cenccenc946
@cenccenc946 Жыл бұрын
Finally, someone with some scientific explanation. soooo many of the shock related youtube videos, even by manufacturers, are like some sort of "red neck voodoo" explanations about black boxes with no information about what is going on inside and how the different types work. They act like a higher price is a product description. You got a new subscriber.
@cenccenc946
@cenccenc946 Жыл бұрын
even better. you have an FJ cruiser behind you. I am shopping for new ones for my 2010.
@bougiebum9138
@bougiebum9138 Жыл бұрын
Most of this was over my head, buti really look forward to watching you service your Icons and explain the difference in performance before and after. My brain always wants the "best of the best", so I got excited watching the professional motorsports footage 😂 but you're right, I just want to hoon in the woods and haul wood and stuff
@dausas
@dausas Жыл бұрын
Bro, you brought in the Ideal Gas Law into the explanation. I was pleasantly surprised. Keep up the good work. Looking forward to future videos.
@dallasvanwyk
@dallasvanwyk Жыл бұрын
A playlist of your videos needs to be pinned at the top of every Toyota off-road group haha
@jamesf6315
@jamesf6315 Жыл бұрын
I always wondered what the heck the foam part was of the FCP shocks. Another fantastic video!
@stevehoover1657
@stevehoover1657 Жыл бұрын
I love the non-biased, pure information. Keep up the great work!
@gardenparty3288
@gardenparty3288 Жыл бұрын
Nothing like having good info from which well informed decisions can be made. Thanks for your time, and content.
@stellanmccarthy9039
@stellanmccarthy9039 Жыл бұрын
Finally someone else that has explained that the sole purpose of the remote resovoir is to lower operating pressure and create a nicer ride and increase seal and wear band life is only a side effect and that the extra cooling is only an added side effect
@toyotabrony
@toyotabrony Жыл бұрын
Man this was way more detailed than the rest of the guys that explains about, twin tube and monotube shocks. And u got a new sub for this. ❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥
@marklowe7431
@marklowe7431 Жыл бұрын
I like that you really covered each aspect subjectively. Much better understanding after watching this. Thanks.
@petersherrouse33
@petersherrouse33 Жыл бұрын
Best discussion of the technical aspect of these products. Hat's off to you sir !
@d51d_46
@d51d_46 Жыл бұрын
I learned a lot today. I hope there's a break down of the BP-51s coming.
@TinkerersAdventure
@TinkerersAdventure Жыл бұрын
Probably not unless someone send me a set to take apart haha
@kineret4030
@kineret4030 Жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation and I loved the way you cut and drilled the shocks to demonstrate your point :)
@SPARTAN-107
@SPARTAN-107 Жыл бұрын
Your explanation was amazing keep up the good work!
@rchiggs1
@rchiggs1 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic content as always. The rigor you bring to your vids is much appreciated!
@cozzm0AU
@cozzm0AU Жыл бұрын
Brilliant video. Extremely well explained and unbiased. Look forward to more suspension videos. Subscribed.
@Toyotajunkie
@Toyotajunkie Жыл бұрын
I sure hope you are making a decent amount of income from these videos! Your te and effort spent to make them is invaluable to so many people, even those who (for some reason, ha ha ha) do not own Toyotas. I think I am about all caught up on your posts, and have learned quite a bit. And they are also entertaining to boot! Please keep 'em coming!!!
@TinkerersAdventure
@TinkerersAdventure Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Not much income yet. Hope I’ll get some good and relevant sponsorships as I grow this channel so I can produce better contents
@stevecarlson2346
@stevecarlson2346 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video, although I thought I knew the difference between twin tube and monotube shocks, I did learn a few things. Personally, I have had good results with both kinds of shocks. However, there is one aspect of this comparison you didn't address, and that is trail damage. A monotube shock is much more vulnerable to damage by a rock hit, because the ding can prevent piston travel past it, whereas a twin tube shock can sustain the same hit without impeding function at all.
@TinkerersAdventure
@TinkerersAdventure Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Yes you’re exactly right. I will show some shock body denting tests in my FCP review. Stay tuned!
@jaypikachu6660
@jaypikachu6660 Жыл бұрын
Most heigh end monotube shock for Toyota, it mount upside down, the rod on the bottom and the tube on the top, it is hard to damage the tube ,What you pay what you get !
@MyLonewolf25
@MyLonewolf25 Жыл бұрын
That’s why good mono tube shocks are mounted inverted with the body at the top
@ThomasShelby-uq8cz
@ThomasShelby-uq8cz Жыл бұрын
True but I'd still take the performance of a Monotube over a TwinTube. Just keep a few spare MonoTubes in the trailer or back of the truck
@briangc1972
@briangc1972 7 ай бұрын
Bilstein 5160 shocks are inverted, less chance of damage (smaller target). But a nicked rod will leak.
@JustBenWhompTruck
@JustBenWhompTruck Жыл бұрын
Excellent breakdown as always. Your reaction when you drilled out the Bilstein gave me a good chuckle (Not that I would have reacted any differently!) Also the piston rod as a pointer was a nice touch. :)
@the_patdeezy
@the_patdeezy Жыл бұрын
Another great video full of useful information. Appreciate the work you do in putting together your videos! Keep them up!
@dukenukem7183
@dukenukem7183 Жыл бұрын
I can't wait for your review of ironman suspension
@g.fortin3228
@g.fortin3228 Жыл бұрын
ALWAYS SO informative and taught in a way it's easy to understand ! Awesome vid AS ALWAYS :- ) !! Love the subjects and really learn a lot here..Thank you Sir !
@mightymikee
@mightymikee 8 ай бұрын
Awesome video. Thank you so much for making this video. Probably the best shock video ever made. OCD here but the Ideal gas law is PV=nRT. n being mole. Keep up the great work!
@asplenic16180
@asplenic16180 Жыл бұрын
I am looking forward to your product-specific reviews! I too learned a bit more about twin tube and how FCP differs from standard twin tube (IM nitro, Dobinson's basic and OME) construction and performance. I'm looking forward to your dissection of the Dob's MRA shocks and how they compare/contrast to others in the field (Bil's, Icon, King, ETC.). 🤙🏼
@tronskifpv
@tronskifpv Жыл бұрын
thank you for your dedication to these topics. This is a incredibly impressive presentation.
@pjay3028
@pjay3028 Ай бұрын
Absolutely brilliant video, extremely detailed and thorough, but all very clearly explained. Really interesting, thanks.
@bruceyyyyy
@bruceyyyyy Жыл бұрын
We sold the FJ but I stay subscribed because you break down some great info that isn't necessarily Toyota exclusive. Thanks.
@EchimGeorge
@EchimGeorge Жыл бұрын
Great job ! By far the best channel on this topic !
@PedroGarcia-ou5qn
@PedroGarcia-ou5qn Жыл бұрын
You really thought me about shocks today and now i have a better idea of what to get for my ride. Thanks man! Wish I could find some remote resys for a liberty lol
@jurajhrivnak4638
@jurajhrivnak4638 10 ай бұрын
This is an absolutely fantastic video. Thank you very much for your effort!
@fourocker
@fourocker 22 күн бұрын
Dude your information and explanations have helped me understand the pros and cons of both, I've been trying to decide between Raw Nitro Max twin tubes or Dobinsons IMS mono tubes, the price difference is around $500- $600 more expensive for mono tubes but I have realised what actually suits my needs on my 80 series landcruiser is actually the twin tube, the Nitro Max has a 45mm piston and 60mm outer tube/body and some kind of bag set up to contain/separate the gas, huge fluid volume and are the 4x4 line of products from parent company Powerdown which is a truck suspension company dealing with semis, b doubles and road trains etc, I think they know what they're doing. I want something strong, simple and reliable that's going to withstand outback touring and bush navigation etc.
@EngiTrek
@EngiTrek Жыл бұрын
Pretty neat video! I would add that heat transfer happens in three major categories. Conduction, convection, and radiation. Conduction is solid to solid, convection is solid to liquid, and radiation only occurs at extremely high temperatures and does not require a medium to transfer heat. So shock heat is not actually radiated, rather convected away from the oil by the solid body, then convected away from the body to the surrounding air. No radiation heat transfer occurs. Great video and keep up the good work!
@MK-cd4kb
@MK-cd4kb Жыл бұрын
Really well done video, great detailed info!
@travelling_two
@travelling_two Жыл бұрын
Another great video - its worth adding another benefit of twin tube shocks on vehicles doing high speed gravel road work or likely to drag shocks on obstacles, especially applicable to rears - a dent in outer body of a twin tube shock has negligible impact on performance whereas a dented body on a monotube is usually terminal for the shock.
@TinkerersAdventure
@TinkerersAdventure Жыл бұрын
That is true. I actually took some footages demonstrating this but I cut that out due to video getting long. The bilstein actually took a lot to dent. I hit it with a pointed hammer quite aggressively, took about 3 good hit till the piston bind. So unless it’s a very inferior thin wall shock, gravels will not hurt it. Also, all monotube rear shocks are inverted mounted. The shock bodies are way up there, so I’ve never seen one getting scratched. Twin tube has to be mounted shock body down because of the base valve.
@travelling_two
@travelling_two Жыл бұрын
Yes good point, I forgot that the monotube shocks are inverted, though that can lead to peppering of the piston rod if its not well shrouded. A lot of our travel is thousands of kilometres on high speed gravel outback roads which grit blasts anything in and around the rear axle.
@burnettcoverage
@burnettcoverage Ай бұрын
Thanks for the suspension class Kai!
@royb.1441
@royb.1441 8 ай бұрын
Thank you for saying “damping” & “damper” correctly.
@ColoradoStreetboarding
@ColoradoStreetboarding Жыл бұрын
All of your friends are still watching. The new content is so educationally fulfilling.
@96kylar
@96kylar Жыл бұрын
Great job again Kai.... well done my man.
@johnphillips9821
@johnphillips9821 Жыл бұрын
Great topic and content. I look forward to all your videos.
@jerrickirby9276
@jerrickirby9276 Жыл бұрын
Awesome, awesome content. Thanks for the in-depth explanations!
@soletitenfoldu
@soletitenfoldu Жыл бұрын
Love your videos man very informative!
@sebaaguerowagner
@sebaaguerowagner Жыл бұрын
I have waited for this video for so long !!! Thanks dude !!!
@Dennis_is_Outside
@Dennis_is_Outside Жыл бұрын
Great explanation and I’m looking forward to the Icon maintenance video.
@zxx9554
@zxx9554 Жыл бұрын
That “phew” got me 😆😆 great great job!
@ronaldrussell5481
@ronaldrussell5481 Жыл бұрын
Like your videos, informative and well done.
@1Coolbanana
@1Coolbanana Жыл бұрын
Another excellent video. Great job 👍👍
@AndyLights
@AndyLights Жыл бұрын
The only channel I turned on the notifications for.
@virtualrain
@virtualrain Жыл бұрын
Another great insightful video. Thanks!
@timferguson1526
@timferguson1526 Жыл бұрын
Great explanation. Thank you!
@smin4089
@smin4089 Жыл бұрын
Solid video. It's really annoying and scummy how people sell products with disinformation re: lying about twin tube cavitation using a single tube
@danielliverman717
@danielliverman717 10 ай бұрын
Great video thank you for making
@nathanielcatsicas9792
@nathanielcatsicas9792 Жыл бұрын
I recently just put a lift kit in my 2015 Kakadu Prado with Kdss. I'm running the Tjm xgs series springs and shocks up front, with outback armour shocks and airbag man extended airbags in the rear. The entire kit, with uca's in the front, cost about $4,000 aud. So far the rebound has been harsh onroad, but performance is ok offroad. It's making me reconsider redoing my suspension again for better performance onroad with more control offroad. Lifting with kdss is often expensive and a headache. Was considering monotubes with remote res, but now I have no idea on which direction to go. 😂
@ColoradoStreetboarding
@ColoradoStreetboarding Жыл бұрын
I have a 2015 KDSS 4Runner and I have finally decided not to lift it for those reasons. Unless I want to soak 15k+ into long arms etc.. it just doesn’t seem worth it. I’ll do a body mount relocation and fender trimming before I lift it.
@haf2193
@haf2193 Жыл бұрын
Great explanation man 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
@joelnrs
@joelnrs Жыл бұрын
Great video. I learned a lot. Thank you.
@SDwriter.and.surfer
@SDwriter.and.surfer Жыл бұрын
Nice video, well organized. You missed some things though. Only inexpensive mono-tube shocks, e.g. Bilstein 51xx and Fox Performance, have ultra high pressure, like 250-300+ PSI. Better shocks, the owner rebuildable kinds like Bilstein 7100, Fox Factory, King, etc. work fine with lower pressures. Fox 2.0s with no res, recommended pressure is just 150 PSI, 7100s, recommended is 180-220PSI, similar with King. It just needs to be enough to prevent cavitation at high shaft speeds. The higher pressures like in the 5100s are only because it has to last the life of the shocks and the eventual pressure loss over time.... 'cause they don't have Schrader valves on the tops to set/re-set pressure like the better shocks do.
@TinkerersAdventure
@TinkerersAdventure Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Wow I didn’t know the 5100 is charged so high. And the reason you mentioned makes sense.
@soonenough938
@soonenough938 Жыл бұрын
Great video as always!
@TrevorDyck
@TrevorDyck Жыл бұрын
Another banger of a video!! 🙌🏻💯
@maximilian.R
@maximilian.R Жыл бұрын
Really good video! And, please do a video on rebuilding your Fox. Just bought mine and the retailers are not keen on sharing their info on rebuilding the shocks.
@TinkerersAdventure
@TinkerersAdventure Жыл бұрын
Check out filthymotorsports king shocks rebuild video. All those constructions are the same. Brand doesn’t matter much
@maximilian.R
@maximilian.R Жыл бұрын
Thanks a ton! :)
@oversizedoverlanding2365
@oversizedoverlanding2365 Жыл бұрын
Outstanding video and info! Thank you!
@SemutPinkOfficial
@SemutPinkOfficial Жыл бұрын
today i learn 😲 thanks man !!!
@MrEdsfedup
@MrEdsfedup Жыл бұрын
I freaking love this channel
@ExpatonTwoWheels
@ExpatonTwoWheels Жыл бұрын
Very informative. Keep it up!
@calavino223
@calavino223 Жыл бұрын
How i wished this video was uploaded earlier then i could've decision for my fast driving application. I drive a Toyota Hilux here in Asia and decide to try a monotube shocks after watching tons of video on youtube. The IFS front setup seems pretty good handling all the bumps but i find the rear live axle to be a whole lot more bumpy going over rough terrain than my standard oem shocks. Will probably consider changing the rear shocks to a remote resorvoir in the future.
@TinkerersAdventure
@TinkerersAdventure Жыл бұрын
It could simply be your rear shocks valving not matching your spring and mass. That plays a significantly bigger role than shock construction
@DannerPlace
@DannerPlace 8 ай бұрын
Very good video, thanks for posting.
@drm6007
@drm6007 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the explanations. I'm convinced to replace my rear Bilstein 5100s for 5160s.
@randomuser6306
@randomuser6306 Жыл бұрын
Don't make the mistake of ignoring Dobinsons IMS. I use them on my fj in Dubai... Heat is never an issue, even smashing around on the dunes. For he same price, dobinsons is the way to go imho
@electricstartclint
@electricstartclint Жыл бұрын
@@randomuser6306 💯
@kman2220
@kman2220 25 күн бұрын
Great explanation!!
@jamesvo3709
@jamesvo3709 Жыл бұрын
Your videos are magical
@nodneruht
@nodneruht Жыл бұрын
Very well put together, and very accurate! Maybe I missed it and you did touch on this, but one thing to note is that 99% of Twin-Tube shocks can not be mounted "shaft down".
@TinkerersAdventure
@TinkerersAdventure Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Yes you’re correct. I cut that part out because the video was getting long. But I will mention that in my ironman review. The foam cell twin tube can be mounted shaft down, but they chose not to for other reasons. So pretty interesting
@nodneruht
@nodneruht Жыл бұрын
@@TinkerersAdventure I'd put money on it that even the foam-cell shock, will have a dead spot even cycled by hand a few times, with the body up. It's very hard to get a complete air-free bleed on those things. I'd be impressed if there is no dead spot body up!
@electricstartclint
@electricstartclint Жыл бұрын
Appreciate the info! I had no idea the differences. Hope you incorporate Dobinsons into your video as a lot of us 4Runner folks use their products
@TinkerersAdventure
@TinkerersAdventure Жыл бұрын
Thanks. I will mention Dobinson when I review the FCP
@electricstartclint
@electricstartclint Жыл бұрын
@@TinkerersAdventure appreciate it!
@overlandme
@overlandme Жыл бұрын
Amazing...well done 👏
@erikschutzman2402
@erikschutzman2402 Жыл бұрын
Very good information. Thank you for the video
@erikschutzman2402
@erikschutzman2402 Жыл бұрын
I can't wait for the videos on other suspension products
@vonvergelenriquez309
@vonvergelenriquez309 Ай бұрын
Big help thank you for the information
@cyclemoto8744
@cyclemoto8744 Жыл бұрын
Well done. Cheers from OZ
@AntonioClaudioMichael
@AntonioClaudioMichael 10 ай бұрын
What a great video
@4x4AUTOBOT
@4x4AUTOBOT Жыл бұрын
Greatt learning video. Thanks
@robbergstrom943
@robbergstrom943 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Looking forward to more.
@dougschneider5948
@dougschneider5948 Жыл бұрын
Great job
@rubicon4wheeler
@rubicon4wheeler Жыл бұрын
What an awesome video!
@hdallen5283
@hdallen5283 Жыл бұрын
Good stuff. It may be worth putting up a phase diagram/chart for standard shock fluid to show what is actually happening (or doing a separate video on this). Otherwise its hard to evaluate what is actually happening vis-a-vis shock fade and the upside and downside of twin tube vs pressurized mono-tubes. Also, does cavitation in a damper really matter that much as the "high pressure" side of the piston (i.e., the side of the piston head that fluid is flowing into) is under much higher pressure and is unlikely to cavitate and that is the side that is doing the most dampening work? Lastly, why is it that we don't draw a vacuum on new damper fluid before installation to avoid the dissolved gas situation. I know that when I change the brake fluid on my MTB (SRAM - DOT fluid), I always use the syringe that I use to draw a mild vacuum to get out some of the dissolved gasses. Thanks.
@ssrsuspension8247
@ssrsuspension8247 Жыл бұрын
Cavitation is easy to diagnose, but you need to test the damper on a dyno. www.penskeshocks.com/hubfs/Resources/Tech%20Sheets/TS-Pressure-Balancing-2-04.pdf
@glenchang3103
@glenchang3103 Жыл бұрын
great job, please do front diff drop kit and if they work or not.
@adih2367
@adih2367 8 ай бұрын
@TinkerersAdventure I have recently subscribed to your channel. Love the in depth videos. I’m a huge Toyota fan myself and just purchased my 6th Toyota truck. It’s a ‘23 TRD ORP. It’s my daily driver and sees very mild off-roading. I’m trying to decide on a suspension set up. I’m thorn between the Dobinson IMS or their twin tube shocks. If you were in my shoes which would you pick? Or would you pick a different set up all together? Like maybe eibach pro or bilstein 6112/5160? Thanks!
@michaelparker6218
@michaelparker6218 5 ай бұрын
Great video! I find your information very easy to understand. I think about suspension upgrades a lot and how much "snake oil" is sold to the end user. Can you do a detailed explanation comparing Digressive, Progressive, and Linear... In my short research and limited knowledge it seems Linear would be the best for daily driving/weekend warriors. Curious what your thoughts are.
@johnanthony8874
@johnanthony8874 Жыл бұрын
I can’t wait till your on motor trend with your own show Don’t forget us when you go big time 😃
@besteraj
@besteraj Жыл бұрын
Nailed it, thank you.
@4xhoser
@4xhoser Жыл бұрын
Such an awesome video 🇨🇦🤘👌
@magician4444able
@magician4444able 22 күн бұрын
Great video, I have a question, I have FJ cruiser with 3" life , I have changed the coilovers front and rear with dopinsons, panhard bar, UCA dopinsons , sway bar link, and put profender shocks 2.0" , and 1" spacer in front, all this for the 3" lift. But the raid is bumby and uncomfortable , should I change the shocks or what to do? Help please.
@AVI80R907
@AVI80R907 Жыл бұрын
Great info 👍
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