The Killer Twins; Aircraft Wrecks on Carnedd Dafydd and Llywelyn

[@colonial6452]

My dad, a former USAF navigator and instructor, told me about people flying into "cumulo-granite" clouds, but not flying out of them. Know your terrain and keep your altitude.

[@robshirewood5060]

Quite a few USAAF and USAF aircraft met their end up there too.

[@keithstudly6071]

Reminds me of an old "Far Side" cartoon. The co-pilot turns to the pilot and says "Say.... what's a mountain goat doing way up here in a cloud bank?"

[@robshirewood5060]

One RAF pilot of an Anson saw the mountain just in time and pulled back on the controls, enough to crash land flat parallel on his belly. The crew survived injured, one crewman went down the mountain for rescuers, the mist came down obscuring the site to rescuers, one of the crew released his fluorescent yellow-orange sea-marker dye into a stream flowing downhill, and the rescuers followed it up and recovered them alive. Happily not all the crashes were totally fatal.

[@LolTollhurst]

Videos like this is why I don't enjoy TV anymore. Fully excellent.

[@Christian762]

Neat hike. It always amazed me as a kid how old wrecks like that would just persist in scraps and pieces where they fell, unrecovered, because of the altitude and remoteness. There were a number of sites in New Mexico and Colorado like that in the mountains. It's an eerie reminder of the past.

[@TheAnxiousAardvark]

I was going to comment about some of the "blind canyons" that both military and light aircraft flew into in Colorado. An ultralight pilot in NoCO was telling me about his own issues trying to get across the Rockies and how choosing the wrong route almost cost him.

[@markbowen3638]

Great hike Ed, makes you appreciate that nearly as many died in training as on operational sorties. Brave men!

[@robshirewood5060]

The loss of so many aircraft here and in other Welsh locations led to the formation of the Royal Air Force Mountain Rescue Service who have saved so many lives and to the Search And Rescue Squadrons who carried out similar work and over wider areas. The Whirlwind's, Wessex's and Sea King helicopters in bright yellow were a common sight up here for many years training or rescuing people in distress. A salute to them and to the Ogwen Mountain Rescue Team. My father told me that in Bethesda there was a hut behind the pub just as you enter the town that was used by the RAF MR Team as a base for searches and which was also used for the bodies of aircrew lost in those hills when recovered, he was a cadet and the hut was also used for RAF ATC Air Cadets for Expedition training and mountain experience. May all those lost Rest In Peace.

[@williamromine5715]

I grew up in Wyoming(USA), and our mt.s were much higher. Always got me that, when you got close to a summet, there would be a spring babbling along, even in the late Fall. I still wonder where the heck the water was coming from. Not that far away would be the down side of the mountain. On one side, the water would eventually end up in the Atlantic Ocean, and on the other side, the water would end up in the Pacific Ocean. There was a pond, on the Continental Divide, where the water on one side went to the Atlantic and on the other end went to the Pacific. As an adult, I moved to Montana, where I still live and at 81, I'm still a Rocky Mountain boy, living about 10 miles from the Continental Divide in that State. Thank you for taking us on a stroll up one of your mountains.

[@K1W1fly]

I think the wreckage you were looking at higher up the valley was Wellington. I could see there were a number of thin, H section or U section aluminium, pieces, which is what you would expect from Geodetic structure.

[@EdNashsMilitaryMatters]

You maybe right! The crashes were so close together it's even possible stuff has got intermingled over the years.

[@gavinhammond1778]

What a delightful change of pace, most enjoyable. Takes a brave soul to be a military aviator. Thanks for the content.

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

Sounds like the pilots forgot the first rule. "If lost when flying at night or poor visibility, climb. For no one has ever collided with the sky."

[@mtkoslowski]

I don’t know if this is practical bearing in mind fuel constraints. Also this happened when navigational aids such as VOR had not been invented. Even experienced pilots will unwisely ‘scratch around’ under clouds trying to find their way.

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

@@mtkoslowski it was a night navigation exercise. One of those killed was the Navigator who could of taken star shots and worked out their position if they could gave got above the clouds. Also onboard was the Radio Operator. Unfortunately the RO took a wrong radio bearing due to miscommunication. As for equipment the aircraft as it was from 239 Operational Conversion unit it would have been fitted with all the equipment in use on the operational squadrons including Gee-H which had been introduced back in 1943. The aircraft on this exercise would have sufficient fuel for their task plus a reserve, and considering the British weather in March they would gave gad suffcient to climb away from the hills and mountains of Wales and England. At the time of impact they had been airborne for about 7 hours. Now a Lincoln has a combat radius of about 2,800 miles at 15,000ft and 200mph with 14,000lb of bombs. The same fuel load would equate to a much greater range considering that no bombs would have been on board.

[@mtkoslowski]

@@neiloflongbeck5705 Your assumptions are interesting given there was no flight data recorder on board. Concerning fuel you’re also making assumptions since we don’t know exactly how much fuel they took on before the flight. Celestial navigation? Let’s assume that they could get a fix of their position above the clouds (I know buggerall about celestial navigation) how, even if they knew where they were, would they have done a let down through the clouds? Sorry, but I think you’re making too many assumptions without foundation. Did you read the RAF accident report? You see, you use phrases like _”…would have had enough fuel…”_ instead of claiming ‘DID have enough fuel.’ I believe we have insufficient information other than speculation that the pilot exercised poor judgment in the circumstances despite his accomplishments and gallantry. Regrettably even the best sometimes make poor decisions.

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

@@mtkoslowski well let's start with navigation. The positions of numerous stars are given in Navigator's almanacs with a minimum of two stars you can get a rough positional fix, with 3 or more stars you can get a more accurate positional fix. Now RAF Valley is on the coast with the end longest runway being roughly north-south and the longest north-wedt-south-east in alignment. Once you get you position to fly to a point over the Irish Sea using dead reckoning and taking further positional fixes before turning g back towards the location of RAF Valley before descending to under the cloud base and fly back to the position of the base to land. The Lincoln had fuel burn rates between about 170 gallons per hour and 400 gallons per hour depending on the supercharger gear, the weight and altitude. These can be found online in the Pilot's Handling Notes. The Lincoln had a max fuel capacity of 3,580 gallons. Of course, as with every aircraft not al, of this fuel will be available for use in flight, so assuming g we can use 90% of this fuel in flight, then at the maximum fuel burn rate it equates to about 7 hours of running time for the engines. By the time RF511 crashed they had been airborne for about 7 hours, so at max fuel burn they would have been running on fumes. At the most economic fuel burn we're kicking at over 18 hours of engine running time.

[@kirkmooneyham]

@@mtkoslowski, as someone who has worked military aircraft in the past, there is typically a minimum fuel load that goes on-board after each mission. We called it the "ramp load" (the amount of fuel it would have just sitting on the parking ramp). So, if one knows the type of aircraft, one can at least make an educated guess at the minimum fuel the aircraft would have had aboard. Often for missions, though, it would have a greater amount of fuel depending upon the type of mission and duration involved.

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

There are no truly wild horses in the UK, but we do have feral and semi-formal horses. The ones in the Carneddau are feral Welsh Ponies. The Exmoor, Dartmoor, New Forest, Shetland and Fell pony populations are semi-feral.

[@orwellboy1958]

@*UncleJoe* you can have some of our New Forest ponies, they have more road sense than the tourists.

[@gwtpictgwtpict4214]

@*UncleJoe* Thanks but no thanks, we have our own small populations of wild boar due to escapes from farms etc. Not a major problem at the moment but no need to encourage the tasty buggers.

[@robshirewood5060]

The Brecons have semi-wild ponies too.

[@alganhar1]

@*UncleJoe* The US has a little thing called room that we do not have in the UK.... Its the major issue with many reintroduction programmes some of the dreamy eyed idealists in the cities have dreamed up! Like reintroducing bears and wolves into the UK. They can never adequately answer the question of where the hell are you going to put such animals without them coming into conflict with humans? Population density of humans in the USA is 35 people per square kilometre, in the UK its 260....

[@davidb6576]

Thanks, Ed - a sobering reminder of flight's dangers, but leavened with some humor and a nice dose of natural beauty.

[@benhooper1956]

Fantastic video Ed, I am surprised there is so much remaining, and I hope it remains there still. Not common to find actual debris from a bygone age

[@muddyboycrossaxel6204]

We Welsh don't mess around. Most people chuck up A.A.A. we chuck up mountains.

[@neilpavett3413]

My dad flew Lancasters and Lincolns in the early 50's - he trained in places like these mountains (whenever there was available fuel) - glad he made it through as otherwise I wouldn't be here.

[@michaelmoorrees3585]

As a teenager, I hiked the San Gabriel Mountains, northeast of Los Angeles. There were common occurrences of small aircraft slamming into mountains under similar conditions. I'd often come across debris when hiking.

[@lousiberian23]

Great vid, I spent 5 yrs on the RAF Valley MRT back in 1993 -1998. Many hours trekking into the various crash sites.. really good reminder that the reality of aviation is a harsh unforgiving environment..

[@robshirewood5060]

Was the Bethesda hut still in use then?

[@robbabcock_]

What a beautiful area! It's amazing to have so many crashes in such a low lying peak like that.

[@gwtpictgwtpict4214]

As Ed said, lost on a navigation exercise in bad conditions, radio out so you drop down trying to spot a landmark to locate yourself. You may think you're over the Cheshire plain, nice, flat and low but you're actually over North Wales, not so nice flat and low...

[@alganhar1]

They may be low lying, but the weather in Snowdonia is as changeable as it comes, and it can kill you just as easily as in many higher mountain ranges. One thing Snowdonia shares in common with the Brecon Beacons (a range of hills to the South) is mist and fog, which is regularly extremely thick and can close in with startling rapidity. You can be in perfect visibility with sun shining, then within five minutes you are in a thick fog and cannot see more than ten feet in front of you. Being from the Heads of the Valleys, so only about five minutes from the Brecon Beacons I can assure you that such fogs are not uncommon.....

[@DaveSCameron]

As a scouser we had many family holidays in North Wales including Llanberis and Llandulas and I'd never heard of this one, good on you Sir.

[@gryfandjane]

My goodness, what stunning scenery. Fascinating episode, Ed, and thanks very much!

[@airplayn]

I've been a pilot for 50 years. NEVER fly into rising terrain in poor weather. The first sign of rising terrain do an immediate Chandelle into the clouds and try to get radar contact again for your location. The fact that he WAS an "experienced" wartime pilot made him too comfortable taking risky "wartime" chances.

[@lievenmoelants]

Beautifull landscape you have there!

[@RJM1011]

Years ago in WH Smith there was a small book you could buy that showed where all these plane wrecks are in the UK.

[@rogerkay8603]

Terribly sad, thanks for this Ed.

[@alanrogers7090]

Thanks Ed. These kinds of programs show just how dangerous flying can be in mountainous regions. There was a well-known incidence in South America when a British airliner crashed into a mountain shortly before it was to land. It was a combination Of headwinds and trying to take a "short-cut" to make it to their destination before running low on fuel. Bad luck all around.

[@tbwpiper189]

Tragic loss. Thanks for the respect shown, Ed

[@redrum707monkey]

nice hike thanks for sharing

[@smartysmart3116]

Did a lot of climbing and walking around Snowdonia including Carnedd Dafydd and Carnedd Llywelyn as student in the 80s; they used to say that at certain times you could hear engine noises reverberating around the mountains there when it was foggy; certainly eerily atmospheric in those conditions.

[@robshirewood5060]

My father as a cadet heard voices in the mist above his head on Carnedd Daffydd, yet he was at the very top, they had been up there looking for the wreckage of an Anson and a civvy Cessna , he said it was dead silent in the mist and then they heard adult male voices above them. It spooked them quite a bit. I gave no doubt it has phenomena.

[@Farweasel]

The Welsh Mountains are still used by the Armed Forces for flight training and it still sometimes comes to bad end. My Dad had a mate called Terry who came over from South Africa to learn advanced engineering at Leyland Motors, decided it was a bit dull relatively speaking and so joined the Fleet Air-Arm. Sadly, when push comes to shove in thick cloud at zero feet Welsh Mountain trumps Westland Whirlwind. He was a really lovely bloke (Well I was about 10 or 11 years old and he gave me this two foot plus Zulu sword like a Gladius with a spiky point worn in an arm sheath .......... So I thought he was brilliant).

[@someusername1]

Thank you very much for this.

[@Theonixco]

Beautiful piece of country there, and thanks for hike to show us!

[@michaelratliff3068]

We thank them for their service...

[@mil-collector_enby2250]

Both aspects of your trip are honestly fascinating, your having found parts left from the wreckage, the story of the lost aviators was touching, but also the fact you not only got to see the wild ponies but also capture them on film for us see what you saw and admire was amazing along with little fact of the locals have an annual care plan for them (worming and mane trimming) was an added little bonus bit of information that shows me that the locals truly care, not just for the land or history but every creature sharing the area and it feels like a rare thing in this day n age (my thoughts go to Mt. Kosciuszko national Park with the brumby wild horse situation which is a shambles for everything.... politics play an ugly part sadly)

[@growlers90]

As a teenager in the 70’s I used to go camping with friends who had family in the area and we often climbed up to see the wreckage lying around also lots of mortar rounds fins up there. 👍🏻👍🏻

[@malcolmgibson6288]

I've come across wrecks in the lake district also.

[@kiereluurs1243]

Impressive head-wall.

[@ncktbs]

neat i watched a camping video of literally the other side of this same mountain like a week ago near one of those other wreck sites

[@jwrappuhn71]

Excellent.

[@saiajin82]

Ed Nash's Natural Miltary Nature, lol Great video as always.

[@MartinL1958]

Is it just me that is intrigued by the shadow at 4:48 and wonders that the voice that is Ed might not after all belong to a disembodied spirit steeped in military history? 😜 Utmost respect and reverence for the poor souls lost - avid watcher of your channel Ed 👍 Greetings from Australia 🇦🇺

[@Ob1sdarkside]

There is a saying in Nepal among pilots about not flying in clouds as the clouds have rocks in them.

[@HeliophobicRiverman]

There's also a bunch of wild / semi-wild ponies in the New Forest in Hampshire.

[@stephenwarhurst6615]

Kinda reminds me the pilots that had to fly the dangerous “The Hump” in WW2 were at one time in January 1944 there was a 1/18 chance of not making over the Himalayas from India to China and back. Planes would display Camel markings to show how many times they flew the Hump. Reports say 509 planes crashed 1,314 dead and over 300 pilots missing

[@robshirewood5060]

I think Tyrone Power was one of those who flew that route

[@BurgerBoyda3rd]

Look up SAAF 647. Very similar story to what happened here. I tramped up to it. Was quite a climb and adventure but very sad to see that these fellas had no chance

[@oldbloke204]

That's coincidental. I watch a bushcraft KZbinr named "Simon a bloke in the woods" who has just put out a video from that area and camped at a lake where a C47 hit a mountain. The next night they stayed in a mountain cabin near the water supply and another aircraft had crashed there as well. Seems the weather there is pretty horrible at times. Thanks for the video.

[@robshirewood5060]

B-17, B-24, Ansons, Wellington's, Cessna, C-47, many other types. Sad history

[@stuartb9194]

10 out of 10 for effort

[@briansteffmagnussen9078]

Most of the Wellington was an aluminum tight honeycomb structure covered with fabric. The fabric wil probably be gone now, but if you spot the honeycomb structure you can be sure that it is the Wellington. Actually the structure has its origin from the time when Westland made airships.

[@robshirewood5060]

I was told that the Wellington had a magnesium alloy wing spar, like the later Varsity, which would burn with intense white light and high heat, with fuel added i am guessing most of it burned up. The R101 airship met a similar fate in France.

[@briansteffmagnussen9078]

@@robshirewood5060 In that case there would only have been scortchmarks left for a short time. Thou the Wellington was known for it's rugged structure that structure will only have it's strength as long the structure is in a whole shape. Meeting rocks the structure would not have been able to hold and would fragment easily. There at more solid components like engine turrets and landing gear, If they are not in place on the crash site they must have been remowed, Weapons especially because no nation will leave arms out in the nature for all to collect.

[@robshirewood5060]

@@briansteffmagnussen9078 Totally correct the MOD RAF RN did remove most leaving only items that were too big or problematic, there were two Anson engines at one time on the Carneddau. One of the links i posted shows the Wellington framework just as you stated. I googled AIR CRASHES WALES there are some good online sites

[@RobSchofield]

There's wild ponies in the New Forest, Dorset, also.

[@parrotraiser6541]

Claire,of the Wildbeare channel often takes trios in the area. She might like to know about this, especially the ponies.

[@tomlobos2871]

intesting place to visit. possible that locals collected scrap metal for selling it, or visitors taking souvenirs.. those horses look really chilled, noticing that someone is around but not really bothering. impressive thick winter fur. nice to see them in the wild.

[@robshirewood5060]

No the Welsh people respect the crash sites, most of the wreckage was taken away by MOD RAF or RN for crash investigation.

[@tomlobos2871]

@@robshirewood5060 ..bodys were recovered some of the wreckage left in place, attracting aicraft researchers and hikers. around 4:00 in the video its rather usual that metal parts get collected by locals and/or tourists from crash sites. no matter if respected by some locals, other individuals see a chance for benefit.

[@robshirewood5060]

@@tomlobos2871 Agreed, but i know a lot of people in that area, and most are respectful

[@tomlobos2871]

@@robshirewood5060 in some places here in germany, you can still find items like a barrel, cows drink of. still having a stamping on it saying something like "property of the wehrmacht" a different case but it shows that civilian life took benefits of whatever militarys left, especially if its not claimed and left for good. UK in general had an economical struggle after the war if i am right. i am not blaming anyone for doing so. and i doubt that i would do it different if i saw a chance of generating a profit wich might help a family in a hard period. today we would see things from a different perspective as we are lucky to live in a world of good chances. aircraft crash sites are usually cleaned up, its not a sunken ship where the peace of the dead would be disturbed. whats still missing here is a memorial stone. maybe an idea for crowdfunding as this is not really expensive and can become a landmark for future tourists, learning about the fate of the the crews died hiere.

[@Cartoonman154]

There's a wreckage/memorial of a B29 and Blenheim north peak district and a memorial on Winter Hill of a Manx Airline car ferry aircraft. England has wild ponies on New Forrest, Dartmoor, and Exmoor.

[@paulkirkland3263]

Good video - a beautiful place, but such a sad history. By the way, there are wild ponies in the New Forest too.

[@olivergs9840]

Such a tragic spot; I hope the number of crashes never climbs again there. Will this be the first video in a series of Ed-ventures on location?

[@EdNashsMilitaryMatters]

Did one from when i was in Grenada on the wrecks there, it's more opportunity than anything 😁

[@Farweasel]

@@EdNashsMilitaryMatters WELL I was going to suggest it sounded like this one might be his penultimate one the way Ed was gasping on the steeper climb. Sounded like a leaky steam engine. Nearly as knackered as I am. At least Grenada's at Sea Level Ed 🙄

[@charliescott7764]

Several wrecks in hills near Prestwick too.

[@steveball2307]

Makes you realise how dangerous it was in Bomber Command when nearly 10% of all fatalities during the war were in training......

[@seavee2000]

I think it likely that during the war, any number of troops being trained in the area would have been used to recover the wreckage of the Wellington-free labour, plenty of it,good training in team work, co-ordination, etc etc. Possibly recovery of nav equipment and weapons/ammo. I assume that even on training the aircraft would have been armed at that time.

[@feetpiece_704]

Wasnt there an SAS Chinook that went down in the same area during the Troubles?

[@robshirewood5060]

No an RAF Chinook with Intelligence and Police Anti Terrorism experts from Northern Ireland crashed into a hill in western Scotland at a route roughly 45 degrees from Aldergrove, bloody insane idea putting all of them on one aircraft, sometimes "intelligence" is the last thing involved. Sad loss and terrible tragedy, they blamed the Pilot and his father fought for years to clear his name. He was former RAF himself.

[@feetpiece_704]

@@robshirewood5060 That was the one I was thinking of. I knew it was full of important CT folks just not the specifics 👍

[@martinhughes2549]

CaR Neth eye= approximation of Carneddau for English speakers. Great video as always btw. Very interesting btw.

[@EdNashsMilitaryMatters]

Lol yep, hence apologies in advance. At least I tried ;)

[@martinhughes2549]

@Ed Nash's Military Matters Not a criticism. Your pronunciation was OK and you had a go. Your videos are excellent. Welsh pronunciation is straightforward when you know the rules, but that's the challenge!

[@robshirewood5060]

@@martinhughes2549 Long live, Y draig goch, the red dragon

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

@EdNashsMilitaryMatters >>> 👍👍

[@sim.frischh9781]

Looks beautiful, but i really don't want to visit it with several hundred kilometers per hour in heavy fog and the ground coming straight at me.

[@yes_head]

Splendid job, Sir David Attenborough. 😉

[@g2macs]

The New Forest in Hampshire is stoating with wild nags.. . its why they have.. .. is 15 or 20 (?) mph speed limit. (been a few years since I left)

[@germen343]

Nice

[@kentl7228]

Perhaps he could walk to the Erebus crash site. Kidding and good video.

[@seeingeyegod]

I can imagine trying to do something like this, then 1/4 of the way up the hills I'd be like "god this is stupid, I'm so tired, what am I even doing, I'm never gonna see anything, might as well just turn back now.. ughghghghhghg"

[@GrocMax]

Hey Ed- Have you done a piece about The Aluminum Valley yet?

[@somethingelse4878]

Looks like Hawswater, west of Shap a good walk and Hawswaters island bird sanctuary is at the end of the film chicken run where they ran too They captured the look, just not the smell

[@garrymartin6474]

You should do more of these, very enjoyable. (The B29 "Over Exposed" on Kinder Scout springs to mind) Edit: It's on Bleaklow

[@guaporeturns9472]

Are there trout in that stream?

[@richardsawyer5428]

You get salmon spawning in the Brecon Beacons which is the national park further south.

[@guaporeturns9472]

@@richardsawyer5428 thanks

[@ideadlift20kg83]

They should add guard rails on the peaks to prevent crashes in future.

[@mtkoslowski]

Air bags on the hills?

[@ypfsg7177]

Is that whole stretch of the mountains restricted to military aviation or just the Mach loop? I was lucky enough to get to be there when I was in the country, best air show ever.

[@robshirewood5060]

Civilians can fly there, i have also seen para-gliders, but mostly military I believe.

[@belesariius]

you certainly had your wheetabix ( and your fishermans friends) to pronounce all those place names, well done - although i did tell you gesundheit a lot ;)

[@alganhar1]

Its easier than it looks if you actually take the time to you know, look at the Welsh alphabet. People assume we use the English Alphabet, we do not. Our alphabet is based on the English alphabet, but there are significant differences. Really the only two sounds that English speakers should have issue with are CH and LL, IF they take the time to actually look at our alphabet, rather than just assuming we use the English.....

[@sealove79able]

A very interesting video albeit tragic in its nature. Was the reason for those crashes geography or something like the Bermuda Triangle? Can you come up with something about the B36 Peacemaker that crashed in the Canadian mountains in the 1950s? Have a good one Mr.Nash.

[@robshirewood5060]

B-36 was notorious for engines catching fire due to their being reversed and overheating. Do you mean the one which lost the A-bomb, most of the15 crew parachuted, most lived some drowned?

[@sealove79able]

@@robshirewood5060 Thank you.Yes I suppose so.

[@robshirewood5060]

@@sealove79able There is a good report on it on a site dedicated to B-36 losses

[@sealove79able]

@@robshirewood5060 Thank you.

[@matthews931]

😎 new video. love snowdon climbed it twice 😂

[@EdNashsMilitaryMatters]

Love the whole region. Would happily live there.

[@matthews931]

@@EdNashsMilitaryMatters I’ve done a lot of potholing and stuff like this as a kid most of the mine are now closed to well some but yeah what a great place 👍

[@_lo8241]

Can you do a video on the J-8B “peace pearl”? It was recently announced for DCS and I would love to learn more about it, a Chinese and American collaboration

[@EdNashsMilitaryMatters]

I would like to do more PRC aircraft, but the one I did got demonitized and I have no idea why. So I am very dubious about doing more.

[@kittehgo]

@@EdNashsMilitaryMatters Ah yes the classic you tube, "you did something wrong but we will not tell you what"

[@davidb6576]

@@kittehgo Or as we call it, FUtube...

[@knightflyer909]

I am surprised that, apparently, there are no monumts to each of these aircraft.

[@964cuplove]

Nice video but please consider slower pans to Provide a view of the items that one can actually enjoy - thx

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

Now in the 21st century, we are somewhat 'spoiled' by satellite-based navigation systems like GPS. Decades ago, aerial navigation was quite different.

[@brianedwards7142]

Imagining a crowd of invisible airmen following you about and reacting when you get details only they would know wrong a la BBC's Ghosts.

[@richthompson1234]

Dartmoor also has 'wild' ponies.

[@Zorglub1966]

Unusal and refreshing (if we set aside passed event in this place). I am surprised that there is so much debris left after all this time.

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

MOUNTAIN = 1 AIRPLANE = 0 {R.I.P., crew of RF511...🙏}

[@somethingelse4878]

I'm hoping to see the match loop with my Son this year, as the videos on YT look fantastic. Just finished Ed's book Desert Sniper, a hell of a good read My wife saw the dates and was shocked, thinking it was one more of my many Vietnam books. It makes you look at your self and think with a bit of embarrassment, what was I doing then Ed, see if you can pull a Burma book out of you I think my uncle was there in ww2, so interesting to know your xp

[@EdNashsMilitaryMatters]

Glad you liked the book! And dont feel bad about nit going, I'm a bit of an idiot ;) As for burma, no book in that about my experiences, all very dull all I did was reach people how to fill in the human rights abuse forms.

[@maciek_k.cichon]

Cool, a field trip! I can understand not touching anything out of respect, but as being from a country with horrifying majority of aviation heritage destroyed I feel strong discomfort with just letting all these debris to the elements.

[@gwtpictgwtpict4214]

You have to remember, the ponies need something to scratch themselves on between their annual de-fleaing. Flippancy aside, I think the debris is a handy reminder of the historical dangers of aviation, and that the UK may have a fairly friendly climate, but it will kill you given the chance.

[@JamesLaserpimpWalsh]

Naughty little ponies hah. I love welsh mountain ponies. My first pony was a welshy.

[@quantonne]

RIP to all the lost souls on this mountain chain

[@kiereluurs1243]

Yeah, they will read this and thank you for it. #voidCliche

[@RobSchofield]

@ 12:19 - looks like geodetic struts

[@TheDkeeler]

You would think this Lincoln would have some radar to see the terrain in poor visibility.

[@SPak-rt2gb]

If you didn't have a closer look at the horses, you would have missed that wing

[@kiereluurs1243]

I don't understand why the debris have not been removed. Parts are bound to be taken by souvenir-hunters.

[@R.-.]

We should be able to see the large pieces of the wreck from Google Earth. Is this one? 53°09'19.2"N 3°58'39.3"W

[@chriscroumbie-brown6914]

Beautiful Country there ! But not if you're flying in Fog

[@dicebed]

Folks - be very careful in the UK - you can go on what you think is a nice easy hike up a valley or hill in the UK, and end up either dead or frostbitten after 6 or 8 hours - the terrain in the UK is very strange - you can see that Ed can see the town at the end of the valley, but if the weather turns, he can be in rain or snow, and will freeze to death before he can get back to that town - The weather can turn very quickly in the UK, and you can get caught out without a parka or sleeping bag very quickly -

[@EdNashsMilitaryMatters]

Absolutely. If I hadnt finished when I did I would have turned back anyway because the weather was on the turn.

[@petewood2350]

Clouds with Rocks in Exist.

[@richardgriffiths6989]

The letter F is pronounced as the English V in Welsh, FF is equivalent to the English F

[@colinmartin2921]

Poor devils.

[@nidgem7171]

We have almost a national obsession these days with folk being ' *offended* ' by trivia. Yet the National Trust & National Parks clearing these wreck sites - The most poignant tribute to these very brave crews goes unremarked? *Treat them as War Graves and leave them in place* [I doubt the wokerati will even understand the concepts involved]. Great & fitting tribute to tell their story Ed

[@Farweasel]

There are some sites in the Cumbrian (Lake District and surrounding) Fells too *Definitely* they should be allowed to stand as tribute.

[@eze8970]

Seems odd, even in the 1950's (soon after a world war), there wasn't anything to help this/any planes land, or have a safer flight plan to an airfield with FIDO in the event of bad weather. Over the Anglesey airbases, if the fog was so thick, perhaps they were being diverted to another base? With a full, partly experienced crew, something did go badly wrong. RIP.🙏🙏

[@Simon_de_Cornouailles]

Par la grâce de Dieu, for those young men.

[@brianedwards7142]

I'd love to know the correct geographical term for that valley and wall formation. I bet it's glacially formed.

[@kiereluurs1243]

I bet not.

[@brianedwards7142]

@@kiereluurs1243 Well, since you are the expert, what is it called?

[@robshirewood5060]

A lot of it is volcanic, Snowdon is an extinct volcano

[@brianedwards7142]

The geology of Snowdonia is key to the area's character. Glaciation during a succession of ice ages, has carved from a heavily faulted and folded succession of sedimentary and igneous rocks, a distinctive rocky landscape. The last ice age ended only just over 11,500 years ago, leaving a legacy of features attractive to visitors but which have also played a part in the development of geological science and continue to provide a focus for educational visits. Visiting Cwm Idwal in 1841 Charles Darwin realised that the landscape was the product of glaciation.[37] The bedrock dates largely from the Cambrian and Ordovician periods with intrusions of Ordovician and Silurian age associated with the Caledonian Orogeny. There are smaller areas of Silurian age sedimentary rocks in the south and northeast and of Cenozoic era strata on the Cardigan Bay coast though the latter are concealed by more recent deposits. Low grade metamorphism of Cambrian and Ordovician mudstones has resulted in the slates, the extraction of which once formed the mainstay of the area's economy. Wikipedia