The Kinder Morgan Trans Mountain pipeline controversy, explained

[@jerrycrossman8715]

just south of Vancouver there is a refinery in the United States that has thousands of tankers per year loading why can Canada not have anything similar

[@johnyliltoe]

Thanks for providing such a thorough explanation of this issue. It's been difficult to find a source of information from both sides with any detail. Great work you all are doing!

[@ItsAnnaDodd]

This video was good but it missed a very important point: If bitumen was transported by rail, it could be transported in solid form and not diluted, and solid bitumen can be very easily cleaned up on land and in the water, and does not explode or burn. Given the amount of time that the video spent explaining the dangers of train transportation, it should have made mention of this, and omitting it did not give a full picture of the situation.

[@danielsadowick9098]

turn off your heat in the winter and park your car and we'll see how much you hate the oil & gas industry lol

[@harshie101]

Why does it have to be one or the other? We can be environmentally conscious and economically efficient. And in this fight, the only winner is US, as Canadians are dependent on them in perpetuity.

[@MasiukA]

Not true. The goal of capitalism, unequivocally, is to produce profit for individuals who hold the power to do so. The environment and human well being are always second to that and therefore ultimately irrelevant.

[@canman5060]

Not with Donald Trump.We have to survive on our own !

[@sillyputty7641]

Harshita Sandhu The U.S. must come out the winner in pretty much everything......those are the rules,and of course there are consequences if one doesn’t comply with those rules.

[@SailorGreenTea]

2:36, so why not be a support and stop fishing as humans for salmon?

[@nguyenvanhiepmarcus]

Yet we never get heard..our environment is more important than any amount of money..food is priceless

[@bovellois]

In a free economy, people vote with their money. Do you see solar panels popping up all over roofs in BC? No. Meanwhile. gas guzzling SUVs have replaced smaller cars as soon as the price of gas eased up. The people have spoken.

[@Arikscore]

Our food system is also subsidized by oil. How do you think this many people are kept fed?

[@nguyenvanhiepmarcus]

Arikscore only for mass production to make profit ..ppl buy because of convenience. I'm sure people can grow their own vegetable ^^

[@joshn2342323]

At this point, it is pretty much old news since the federal government and the NEB have approved it, both of which incorporated indigenous and local political issues. Both the federal government and NEB agreed that the pipeline was in the best interest of Canada, even after factoring in concerns that certain groups are made worse off. The lawsuits from the indigenous people and BC governments are mostly over political merits. The BC politicians need to show their electorate that they are "doing something" to stop it when in reality they know they can't really do much at this point. The federal government is the one who will have the final say so in regards to the pipeline.

[@WilliamWinderG]

Exactly! So why is Alberta screaming and threatening? I'm sure it will all go according to plan, just like the Northern Gateway. Especially since the NEB is noted for being the most competent, thorough and morally upright vetting agency in Canada, completely at arms distance from the oil industry. So Alberta: calm down -- you have won with the NEB on your side!

[@truthhurts5158]

I hope no one votes for NDP they have cost the tax payers way to much money over this dispute

[@eyeswideopenz]

Why can’t the citizens of British Columbia vote in a referendum, let the majority decide

[@airbear9445]

You failed to mention the $75 Billion dollar clean up cost to remediate the tar sands. Instead, its fractional profit is just left for future generations to deal with. Totally irrresposible and totally greedy. A narrow perception zombified by a failed monetary system of debt and oblivion.

[@antiprogpragmatist859]

anonymous user ...I understand why you’re anonymous. First, It’s not tar sands, it’s oil sands. Tar is derived from coal. So quit using ignorant terminology. Secondly, the remediation of the land, which is having the dirty oil removed from it anyway, is the responsibility of the companies that remove it,..not the taxpayer

[@johnslater4459]

#1) Your fly in fly out oilsands experts from Hollywood spend about 30 minutes flying over totally reclaimed mine sites before reaching the open sites, go and see for yourself. #2) The area of Starbucks parking lots in Vancouver are greater than the open pit areas of the mines in Alberta. These parking lots will never be reclaimed.

[@don-cw1yz]

Actually, the oil companies do a great job of reclamation in Alberta.Once finished you would not know development had been done.

[@jackpontiac52]

BS ! Cleanest in the world.

[@TH-tl6sy]

anonymous user it's clear you have no idea what you're talking about. Phytoremediation can remove hydrocarbons from the soil in just 21 days. Algae cleans tailing pond. 80% of oil sands operations is now done through drilling. Surface mining it long a thing of the past. It requires by law 20yrs of monitoring of reclamation sites before the province will certify it as reclaimed. In 2010 220 hecatres was reclaimed. With 600,000 trees and shrubs planted but it's only 8yrs into the monitoring. 104 hectares have been certified already. 2012 57 hectares were reclaimed with 100,000 trees planted. In total syncrude, by the end of 2016 alone had In total, planted eight million trees on 3,642 hectares of land being reclaimed. Science has now made it faster and cheaper to reclaim land through fungus' and phyto matter that means no more swapping out soil or filling in tailing ponds. Technology has made it so surface mining no longer is necessary and tailing ponds can be renewed without creating more. The Oilsands has greatly reduced it's carbon foot print. 100s of millions have been invested in technology to reduce the oilsands carbon foot print with another 450 mil more slotted to be invested over the next 7 years. As well 2 new upgraders have been recently built and another billion dollars set towards upgraders. To partially refine the bitumen before it enters the pipelines. Heck even now transmountain doesn't carry bitumen. Whole lot of false propaganda being spun and a lot of sheeple without a clue about what really goes on. PS I work for an environmental firm that does land reclamation, monitoring, spill clean ups and environmental impact and safety on pipelines. The oil industry has made huge strides and pipelines are the most environmentally sound form of transportation for oil.

[@SailorGreenTea]

2:22, Why not build or connect rivers so salmon have more places to go to spawn?

[@SailorGreenTea]

4:22, Elizabeth May, Mayors of Vancouver and Burnaby, talk about not indigenous to the area. And I mean indigenous as naturally occurring, meaning their citizenships did not naturally occur in any region in Northern British Columbia.

[@OOberization]

Because foreign interest in squashing Canadian oil runs rampant throughout Canadian environmentalist groups. So So Sad

[@antiprogpragmatist859]

Adam L ...so true. These people have no clue that it is money from interests in the U.S. that is funding protesters to any pipeline in Canada...but during the Obama administration, they built many thousands of Kms of pipelines down south with hardly a peep. Gee!..I wonder why? Could it be the discounted oil they get from us in addition to not having to compete with Canada when it comes to exporting oil to the world market? This bit of info does not get talked about nearly enough

[@electrondady1]

we are a sovereign nation with our own destiny . and that destiny is greater than stooping for crumbs from the oil companies. i say no pipelines, no trade deals, no foreign ownership. IT'S OUR NATION. Build a refinery right in fort mack. make finished products for Canada. what we can't use we can sell. Dilbit is too dangerous to ship. get your head on straight or fuck off.

[@danarchist74]

Where is Kinder Morgan located Adam L Houston??? I didn't know Houston was located in Canada. So your very argument is nonsense. I also didn't realize that Charles and David Koch were Canadians too.

[@TH-tl6sy]

Absolutely they're being paid by American organization. All the 1st nations groups the pipeline is crossing or near by have signed agreements with kinder Morgan. The Indigenous protestors are paid groups with no say. Deals signed sealed and delivered.

[@jjj8317]

that is beautiful, but Canada lives from international trade and our biggest exports are all raw materials. so unless you dont want your government founded highways, welfare programs, and education all go to the toilet. You need to trade with the outside. It is that stupid mentality from lobbies and interest groups that fuel idiots who think they can change the world while they are the cause of the problem.

[@kaisercv]

True - 7 fold increase in tanker traffic major point of contention. Not correct that pipeline follows existing route - totally new path in Burnaby city. Missed obvious question: Why not alternate route avoiding major metropolis? Failed to mention Trudeau's flagrant reneging on election promises (reform of NEB, new approval process).

[@SailorGreenTea]

1:01, can not is. This is a similar confusion with a could. Could does not always mean did.

[@traveleats6833]

There is a huge difference between diluted bitumen (dilbit) and the crude oil that resulted in the Lac-Mégantic incident. Please do a little more research! Please do research on the extreme difficulty and hugely inadequate cleanup of diluted bitumen in the Kalamazoo river, the first and only dilbit spill. you don't clearly spell out the facts: a foreign oil company is exploiting Canadian Resources for sale to foreign customers

[@don-cw1yz]

When up and running at full capacity it would mean 34 tankers a month.So about 1 a day.The terminal is already planning out enhancement procedures to handle the additional traffic.Like longer times a Candian ship pilot is on the tankers coming in and out of BC waters. Longer tug boat there to assist the tankers if needed.The Terminal has a great record .Over 61 years in operation and not one incident.

[@trevormarr8379]

Governments should simply issue two cards. Card#1 says 'I support Canadian fossil fuels/Oil', Card#2 says 'I do not support Canadian fossil fuels/Oil'. You can only sign one of them! But in order to use a Highway, or get gas at the pump, Natural Gas for your furnace, or propane for your BBQ, or travel by jet, or use plastic, or buy Bananas, Oranges, or anything produced farther away than a Horse and Buggy can deliver, you MUST have a signed #1 card! That will weed out many hypocrites! What card is in our Leader's Wallet? Yes we need MORE safe, new, controlled, maintained, integrity tested, known design-life pipelines! And the twinned pipeline will keep the system safer, allowing continuous maintenance and supply. Let's get busy, build more Canadian Pipeline Projects Safe, Strong and Soon! What's in YOUR wallet Protestors???

[@darlingsapphire1]

WE HAVE LIVED SO FAR THE WAY THINGS ARE. THE ONLY THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE IS TO CLEAN UP THE OLD OIL SPILLS, CLEAN UP OUR WATERWAYS, CLEAN UP THE EARTH AND AIR AND JUST MAKE ROADS TO REACH THE FIRST NATIONS PEOPLES RESERVES IN CASE THEY GET SICK FROM THE SHANTIES YOU GAVE THEM TO LIVE IN. WHAT ABOUT THE GRASSY MEADOWS, AND OTHER PLACES WHERE THERE IS NO ROADS FOR ACCESS TO AND FROM.

[@antiprogpragmatist859]

Trevor Marr ... in my lifetime time, I have never seen the word “hypocrite” used so appropriately so often since the rise of the environazis, and David Suzuki.....was that redundant??

[@kevinkarbonik2928]

the other thing we should be pushing is that B.C. is it's own biggest polluter, and the most disgusting. They pump more than 80 BILLION liters of raw, untreated sewage (basically everything we flush down the toilet) right into the ocean every year. Cholera is starting to show up in herring roe, I'll never buy any fish I see harvested from B.C. You don't shit where you eat.

[@IronMongoose1]

Yeah, that makes sense. We should either support every project that gets proposed or none, regardless of the operator's safety record. And since the export of the bitumen to China will drive up fuel prices within Canada, make sure there's a box on the card that asks if you support the Kinder Morgan expansion. If you do, they'll charge extra at the pump, on transit, for flights, etc. Makes just as much sense.

[@IronMongoose1]

Card #1 holders will only be allowed to breathe exhaust from oil refineries and drink their effluent. They can only eat and drink what's grown with that effluent. After all, why should those freeloaders benefit from environmental protections they fought against? I like your idea, Trevor. You just didn't follow it to its logical conclusion. But you inadvertently provided the solution to this whole conflict. Hope you see it through, because if you do, this whole thing will be resolved by the end of the week.

[@nguyenvanhiepmarcus]

It always comes down to government doing stupid things and the ppl pay for it later on

[@fatandhandsome5922]

i don't think we should let voice a small group that freely spends my tax dollars and continues to fail in due to their own missmanage ment. like my dad used to say "don't listen to the dummy in the room".

[@kenvandeburgt1232]

There is no basis for stopping pipelines.

[@jeremyjonesone]

you didnt mention the thousands of natives who are for the oil. the thousands of BC residents who come and work in Alberta but pay tax in BC. whats in it for BC? how about whats in it for all of Canada? stop being so selfish. CBC did a report this morning on how it is more than just one pipeline. its our reputation to get things done in all out industries. Maybe the next time a company wants to invest in BC but looks at this and goes some place better

[@shannonerickson3313]

Show where the protestors get their money. Then you will see who doesn't want it.

[@IronMongoose1]

Actually no one I know gets paid for protesting, making signs, writing letters, etc. Once in awhile one group looking to start a new action will ask around for donations, and if the rest of us are up for it, we'll put in a few bucks. For instance, our church did a fundraising lunch for Earthkeepers last year. (Look them up. They're sinister radical socialists.) But yeah, fighting the expansion is tiring and expensive. My neighbours and I oppose it because the pipeline and tank farm are a direct hazard to our community. You can walk to the gates of the tank farm from our elementary and back during recess. None of this would be a problem if Kinder Morgan was a responsible pipeline operator. They've repeatedly shown they're not. The last two spills within Burnaby were minor--200,000 to 250,000 liters. One splattered 11 houses with oil, and caused the evacuation of 250 of my neighbours. The next one will be diluted bitumen, which is extremely hazardous. You don't want that raining down on your house. I'm a good neighbour. If Alberta is one too, they'll support us in fighting this project.

[@Tempest0777]

Thank yo so much for this video. This is pure gold.

[@learysinsight5796]

Look up ‘the role of government’ then watch this

[@Eusantdac]

We'll go as far as we need to go to stop the expansion of new pipelines. As the report said at the beginning, we have "around 119,000 km" of pipelines running across the country. That's enough. Any new money and new projects for energy have to be in the renewable energy industry. If Germany can do it, Canada can do it too. They're banning cars that run on oil in Paris, France by 2030 and some people want to build new pipelines here? Ridiculous.

[@antiprogpragmatist859]

Eusunt Dac ...Yup! Germany is a great example. They are building coal fired power plants because green energy is SOOOOO efficient

[@kevinkarbonik2928]

you just are really closed minded. Do you even have any concept of how oil affects your life? It's not just cars and gas you moron. We'd be back to horse and buggy and eating local turnips you idiot.

[@abrahkadabra9501]

Eusunt Dac Canada is NOT like Germany or France or any other European country. You're living in a dream world if you think Canada can just switch gears and go on renewable energy overnight. 1. Germany and France are about the size of Texas with about three times our population. That means transportation challenges are not even close to being the same. 2. Germany and France are both advanced industrial economies who sell their goods worldwide. Canada has a significant resource based economy with enormous distances to bring its goods to market which is mostly the US. 3. European weather does not even come close to Canadian winters so the need for natural gas is not as great an issue. Even so, Europe imports a significant amount of natural gas from Russia. Canada would face economic Armageddon if there was a sudden shift to renewable only energy without careful long term planning. Pie in the sky environmentalists don't have a clue of what it takes to make the conversion. The ugly truth is that Canada and its natural resources are foreign owned and that's why successive governments have not been able to make coherent policies to protect the environment while gradually converting to renewable energy as Europe is doing.

[@truthhurts5158]

Are you stupid. Oil just isn t needed for cars take a look sometime and google what products are made from petroleum

[@mirycreek]

Our finance minister must have shares in kindermorgan, the last time he made a decision it was because he was gonna loose money.

[@mikeh5399]

What is the political uncertainty in the United States? There is no way that the US will harm or break one of the world's strongest alliances, even with Donald Trump as president. And the there's nothing that suggests that the US will stop buying Canadian oil.

[@canman5060]

Looks like the Exon Valdee spill has completely forgotten.

[@timberwolf2413]

Its not the truth told that is a problem, its the absence of truth not told that is a critical problem. The Trans Mountain Pipeline was build BEFORE the advent of environmental protection in 1953. There was NO hearings, no consultation with First Nations. Its not the only option, as Alberta stands a very good chance of the Keystone XL pipeline being approved. Based on what even the OIL companies admit, under the present administration, a pipeline to the USA is viable and possible. So, the line to BC is NOT a national necessity, nor is donating 2 Billion to Kinder Morgan, “its face saving Justin” and Notley’s re-election. BC does not owe it to Alberta to maximize its profits (the difference between shipping costs via Keystone XL and Trans Mountain) That is the only difference for Alberta or Canada, however BC would be in peril of what we already know is the most toxic of all oil pumped in a pipeline, if shipped via BC. (Its actually not OIL its dilbit, but the word OIL sells better)

[@WilliamWinderG]

And, according to E. May, undiluted bitumen is extremely safe to transport by rail and to cleanup in case of a spill (more like and avalanche-- it is rock hard). Why a pipeline? Because KM can get the big bucks out of it. Finally, natives couldn't vote until 1960, after the pipeline was built. Nor could they hire lawyers as individuals. Twinning the pipeline now = twinning the injustice.

[@trevormarr8379]

Build it and MORE!

[@plantboy100]

and we have to sell to the states at a discount

[@smcgrath6987]

US oil producers are currently producing oil in places like Texas and exporting that American oil for top-dollar ($65 a barrel) around the world. In the meantime, they're importing Canadian oil for heavily discounted prices ($35 a barrel), refining it, and selling the refined product to American consumers for top-dollar ($3 a US gallon)!!! So how is helping the environment when no less oil is being produced? And how is this helping Canada? Idiot eco-terrorists are doing NOTHING to help the environment - they're simply handing Canadian market share directly to our US competitors! Thanks eco-terrorists! SMH

[@kenvandeburgt1232]

So the environmental groups think noise from tankers is an issue but noise from other ships is not? I agree about the noise ... if you want 'bang' for the buck stop the non-commercial and recreational boaters first.

[@trevormarr8379]

Protestors against a product used by everyone, everywhere, for everything should be banned from benefitting from it for 1 year!!!

[@SailorGreenTea]

3:39, The solutions every time, from what I have seen from The First Found People, is always sub basic. Is that a traditional zipper her coat? There are more solutions than what is allowed to be discussed. It is one thing to have a slow person in a relay race, it is another to not be allowed to talk to them about why they are slow, how they can improve, and why they should go start their own team.

[@rikpaterson5680]

I think it may work out if Alberta covered %100 of the cost of an accident.

[@babajungLA]

If BC continues to obstruct a legally approved pipeline. Alberta will cut off all oil supply to BC and then BC will have a carbon free economy in the next 2 weeks. Good luck.

[@IronMongoose1]

LOL, it would take about ten days for supply and prices to equalize, from other sources in the world. Word of advice to the stupid people: When you're a landlocked province, don't try to cut off fuel to the guys with the port. Not if you want that Toyota Tacoma you ordered. Not if you want your flat-screen TV. Not if you ever want to see another citrus fruit again in your life. And yes, BC would have to ship fuel through its port (not dilbit) until the last refugees flee the flaming wasteland that used to be Alberta. I give Albertans about sixty days.

[@jessjohn6157]

IronMongoose1 everything i order online comes by truck or plane from the states, the bc harbour more provides for bc then anyone else in canada

[@SailorGreenTea]

2:27, what if they are being slaughtered in a cove like Dolphin's? Look how long it was finding the Pickton pig farm.

[@wilhobbs207]

Just Watch Us - Albetta

[@Gaiandreamer]

The questions not being answered are: How does this additional product going to market affect the atmosphere when it is consumed as a CO2 generating energy? Has anyone done the math if there is sufficient green house gas compensation since it comes from a claimed sustainable source? For any climate change deniers, think back to Grade 7 science on chemical reaction formulas, when a element or compound is added to the equation there is always a reaction to reestablish a balance. Humans have bee using the atmosphere as an emissions waste dump for centuries. Do we really believe such a practice can continue without consequences? Why are we shipping crude when refining in Canada would create more employment in Canada and offer a higher return in the market place? If the rationale of getting oil to the market by sustainable resource extraction, why would that not hold true for refining it under Canadian standards. Sorry PM Trudeau, this decision to build the pipeline does not match your statement of weaning the world from fossil fuels.

[@smeagle6092]

we all own the pipeline now

[@nguyenvanhiepmarcus]

So what alberta is saying is that if b.c. had some profit but need to chance at risking alberta jobs n oil ...it's still ok?

[@Jancan20]

Stop govt payments to the First Nations and they will come around

[@IronMongoose1]

Not an option. Government is legally bound to provide services to its services based on the Constitution and Indian Act.

[@truthhurts5158]

Should have done that a hundred years ago

[@wildandliving]

Not the same route big lie. In burnaby it makes it more expensive and they lose alot kf green space and conservation areas. Also on buranaby mountian if the storage has a problem people will die as there is no escape path. Its life and death if anything goes wrong burnaby mountian is a terrible location to expand storage bigger tanks way more risk think the rail desaster was bad see what happens when the storage goes up in smoke

[@Zeksead]

I think we should just go for it I'm a child but i grew up beside two twenty year olds my whole life (11 years not two long) we can reinforce the metal on the pipeline and make a dip of metal to catch any oil spill that possibly could slip out go to my channel for more on my opinion

[@Zeksead]

this is just my open opinion please do not take offense to it thank you

[@DylansPhotos]

A great explination to this current feud. thank you for the effort put into the different aspecs. :)

[@4jeanjs]

6Swag 9Master a

[@Jon-gm2sn]

If you drive...heat your home with gas...take the bus...or any other use of fuel you're a hypocrite to oppose a pipeline..

[@unknowncountry9403]

BC is right. Alberta is wrong. What that good video did not mentionned is that 1- Alberta does NOT need this pipeline economically, Alberta makes more money from the gaming and Alchool industry than from the oil industry. 2- The pipelines are NOT safe. They have leaked and are currently leaking, you just don't hear about it. 3- Morgan pipeline is for exportation. Not for Canadian needs. Now to the pro-pipelines... try to imagine a very rich neighbourgh of yours who decides that they will dump their garbage in your backyard and pour oil in your water because his business is going slow and they can't afford their huge pick ups and mercedes anymore. And you have to pay to clean your backyard and your water because your neighbour is a selfish me, myseld and I. How would you feel about that? You would probably think that with the revenue they got in the past they should have managed to do some savings Or at least plan the economic recession that happens EVERY ten years. Here is why, I stand with BC. They dont want Alberta's garbages in their water.

[@Zamolxet]

Great reporting

[@yvonnegall8171]

Congratulations on producing an excellent even-handed explanation on the pros and cons of the Kinder Morgan pipeline. There is one omission that I feel is important to include in the discussion and that is the tripling of the tank farm on Burnaby Mountain. This tank farm is located on the mountainside in a forest and in an earthquake zone...adjacent to several neighbourhoods, an elementary school and Simon Fraser University. Explosions at tank farms are not common place but they are also, not rare. What is unusual is locating them near where people live because if there is an explosion they are catastrophic. The Burnaby Fire department chief has said in the event of an explosion, they are not equipped to fight the blaze which could easily ignite the forest and the surrounding homes. This tank farm in its current and future configurations should not be located in a major population centre.

[@SailorGreenTea]

1:03, it can not go hand in hand because they do not have hands.

[@alvinjensen7661]

to bad money didn't grow on trees.but then there is the tree huggers.

[@michaelchristopher8266]

6:53 this is wrong. Most British Columbians support the pipeline.

[@jeffjohnson5548]

Great piece.

[@johnnyrico7104]

Canada could be one of the richest countries in the world if it was willing to unlock more of its natural resources. The only reason Canada doesn't have the level of economic inequality that exists in the US is the abundance of relatively high paying and low education energy sector jobs.

[@HillbillyRednecking]

Is she sick?

[@P.A.C.E.automotive]

Layin' Pipe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@simpleravenraven6358]

The main concern should be planet earth.

[@mtube620]

so you want Canada alone to save earth?

[@jeffjohnson5548]

Simpleraven Raven did you not hear her say that the transportation means via rail are more dangerous and on the rise? The pipeline would squash those accident numbers and hopefully avoid another incident like the one in Quebec

[@truthhurts5158]

Simpleraven Raven If the planet is the main concern why is BC dumping raw sewage into the ocean and killing the ocean, And why did they just ok A Mining company to build a pipeline and dump there waste into a lake HYPOCRITES

[@jansumi]

Check out video of Nathan Cullen's speech in the House yesterday after the buy-out: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5O8qpSVgduqqZo

[@canman5060]

One thing for sure is that these protesters are paid a very handsome amount to do the protest.

[@syedzubair9998]

War mangowar now looking for oil and gas...bullshitt policy

[@dootdoot1867]

Where would we be without the Morality and Conviction of the Native's? Much respect.

[@jackpontiac52]

Trudope and the LIE-berals are FINISHED come October 2019

[@bobgillis1137]

Hey Macleans: Why not just tell the facts and leave “explaining”, ie interpretation up to the reader ?

[@theovee4321]

Bc could secede to the us..

[@derekriddler8501]

as i said before...there is a reason why alberta does not want to send this oil due south....it would shift the risk of oil spill directly unto their grazing fields for the cattle industry.....cant have that now can we.....ye ...better to destroy the envoirment in BC's 3 rd largest city.......

[@bovellois]

And also insure Alberta keeps selling at a deep discount. When the buyer is alone, he calls the price.

[@rainermolla3075]

Hope the pipeline happens - our Canadian dollar has suffered enough. The US has literally been using us the past decade as their Oil supply with our low costs since our production needs are fucking high. Furthermore, the pipeline investment will coincide with foreign (mainly Chinese) Investments such as the HUGE housing market in not only BC, but also Ontario & Qc (Just Mtl). Essentially --> the Economic benefit to our country is in a WHOLE different level compared to the risk to our environment -if anything, it's worth it.

[@sanctifiedcustoms]

fighting among provinces in the greatest country in the world. great example. grow up kids.

[@OOberization]

I am just glad you are all going to lose. Teehee

[@joelcr250]

*MILLENNIAL HOST, BLAAAAAAA*

[@wop182]

Once the natives get a huge payday the pipeline will happen. Always looking for a big hand out.

[@daphoenixto]

I am Transmountain phobic!!!!