The “Las Vegas” A’s Are Already Leaving Las Vegas

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Just when you thought the A’s relocation saga to Las Vegas couldn’t get any more farcical, another bombshell drops. This one from the outstanding Howard Stutz of the Nevada Independent who noticed that the A’s non-relocation agreement with Las Vegas includes a clause that allows the team to play eight games away from their proposed stadium annually.
This, of course, is problematic for any number of reasons. Let’s pluck one out of the air, shall we? Oh, here we go. In the entire financial presentation made to the Nevada senate, the team insisted the A’s would sell out every home game, with 30 percent of those in attendance being out-of-towners. That is how the stadium would be a success, in their view.
What wasn’t mentioned was the fact they would not play a full slate of 81 home games there. A non-relocation allowing the A’s to play 10 percent of their home games away from their home city seems ridiculous. Quite frankly, it seems one way or the other, Jon Fisher, Dave Kaval and the Oakland A's are leaving Las Vegas.
When you look at what is happening with the Oakland A’s and this desire to play games outside of Las Vegas, one of three scenarios is playing out.
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[@sawyertuide7636]

My biggest fear is that Las Vegas is OK with the A’s continuing to lower the bar, and Fisher finds a minority owner who is able to help finish the funding for the stadium. I really hope they get stuck in Sacramento and Fisher sells to Ranadive, or Fisher even sells back to Joe Lacob in Oakland who outbids Vivek. I doubt it though.

[@togoandmoss]

Fisher was looking for 500 million from an investor...John Fisher made 500 million on gap stock last week... he is fully capable and willing to fund the stadium himself.

[@colonialstraits1069]

10% of their home games is ONLY 8 games. That doesn’t seem like a big deal. The Jaguars now play +/- 25% of their home games in London (2 out 8 or 9) per season.

[@overbanked]

Not true. The Jags continue to play ONE home game in London. Last year and this year, the Jags are playing back to back games in London; one home (at Wembley) and one away (at Tottenham). The Bills (last year) and the Bears (this year) are the Jags away games at Tottenham. The Jags always get flak for playing one home game in London, but many NFL teams are cashing in (by playing a home game abroad) with these international games.

[@Mad_ox8]

This all could have been avoided if they just decided to stay in Oakland

[@reesejabs1895]

The new stadiums are so damn expensive that nobody can afford to build them now. It's cost prohibitive.

[@MPM-yi1mj]

Except it's in Oakland. Who the hell wants to live in that rathole?

[@wchomes106]

@@reesejabs1895 maybe rebuild/upgrade the the current stadium?

[@BoulderCityBlues]

Las Vegas should jump at a deal that promises a new franchise in return for allowing the A’s to back out of the deal .The A’s are not wanted and never were .Las Vegas is a Dodgers town and it supports everything Vegas born like the VGK . It would be better for Las Vegas ,MLB for Vegas to get a NL Vegas born franchise that rivals the Dodgers ..

[@togoandmoss]

The Aces / moved 2 and could not make it in two other cities and now leads WNBA in attendance, Raiders that tripled in value and now the the most sought and expensive ticket in the NFL ... I go to Golden Knights games often including the first game... I don't recall thinking "I am only a fan because they were born here". MLB expansion is not guaranteed and will most likely have a 2 billion dollar expansion fee.... if Las Vegas backs out of the A's (they won't) MLB will never grant a team to Las Vegas.

[@BoulderCityBlues]

@@togoandmoss Get your facts straight . The Raiders have the number one resale ticket in the NFL ..That translates to opposing teams fans buying the tickets second hand not locals sitting in the stands . And most of those Raider tickets are sold to fans of the Raiders from LA .The A’s have no fan base in LA and even less in Las Vegas .Nobody gives a rats behind about the Aces or the WNBA it’s just something else to bet on. The VGK were loved before they even got their name .Las Vegas was excited to get their own Vegas born team of any kind ..Foley did everything right and never asked for one penny of public money .The VGK sold out not knowing if they were going to be good or not .Going to the Cup final was a huge boost and put Vegas on the sports map .The VGK also helped the community after that horrific shooting ..The A’s offer nothing but the worst owner in all of sports who never did anything for anyone …

[@togoandmoss]

@@BoulderCityBlues The facts are the Raiders are worth more than the 49'ers now... with tickets were offered to the public many people in LA purchased them and sell them on the secondary market ...most likely because they don't want to travel to Las Vegas every home game. I am not a WNBA fan but you may be a little shut-in if you don't see the hype about it these days. Not a big sport but doing better in Las Vegas than anywhere else. The final fact I will share with you is.... THE LAS VEGAS ATHLETICS!!

[@BoulderCityBlues]

@@togoandmoss Once again the Raiders are an iconic team with world wide appeal . The A’s have no appeal anywhere other than Oakland and Sacramento ..So I leave you with this .SELL THE TEAM

[@togoandmoss]

@@BoulderCityBlues the hashtag # sell the team didn’t work very well but the hashtag # FisherOut seemed to work well… unfortunately he is taking his team with him.

[@robbmanchester5747]

No one is talking about the Elephant in the room … or stadium … What do the SF Giants think of all this ? It’s their triple A team !!!

[@iamatexan4334]

If the games are not air condition you be damm to see an A’s game in Las Vegas during summer

[@Shroomskyoffical]

everyone smelling musty as fuckk

[@SippyCupAdventures]

The traveling Circus of Fisher and his clowns continues.

[@GuyIn801]

Utah didn't bring in the poorly run Yote's. The Arizona team was bought from Arizona. BIG difference!

[@cg5968]

How much you wanna bet Fisher told Vivek they'll play several games a year at the Sutter Health Park in. Free rent my ass.

[@thetouchback]

Exactly. And the A's contract with NBC Sports California runs through 2033. You know Fisher will try to claim that playing eight games in Sacramento is enough to get games on the air in Northern California and get something from that contract. The Kings probably also want to keep the A's on the network, even in Las Vegas, to keep it afloat as long as possible.

[@phillipowens3612]

Honestly Sports teams especially baseball ⚾️ teams who have 81 home games could play a few games in other cities🤔💭 and expand their fan bases😏

[@ivancortez7653]

Gap boy is pulling a fast one on you Las Vegas! Kick him out asap!

[@usernameispasswordisusername]

Salt Lake City Athletics sounds like a mouthfull

[@GuyIn801]

Utah doesn't want the A's if they come with Fisher.

[@JustAverageJeff]

I heard the owner if the team was trying to have the city pay $389m from the tax payers to fund a new stadium for the A's.

[@Thatguyoverthere606]

When I was a kid, we would watch the Las Vegas Stars (Padres' affiliate) play. I remember the game starting late at night because the weather was ferociously hot. How's that supposed to work out for the players if it's a day game?

[@anthonyrivera4735]

Does Las Vegas want a team or not?? Just keep the A's in Sacramento.

[@rileyholden-zc9ip]

Sell the team and keep them in Oakland

[@alexanderarce3341]

Might as well sell the As and the new owners keep them in Oakland

[@666kingdrummer]

No, they really don't. Vegas wants its own team, not some else's team that's simply moving in because Oakland is a Shithole.

[@BoulderCityBlues]

Las Vegas wants their own Vegas born team ..We don’t want the A’s

[@frv1995]

There's already 1 garbage owner in sac why bring in another . Sell the team John

[@josephmangone4926]

Where is the MLB Players Association in all of this relocation mess? there is no way they will play on artifical turf in Sacramento where it will be over 100+ on plastic grass! This deal is not going to go through. The A's are either going back to OAK or SLC

[@user-ei8di1xu8i]

The NY Baseball Giants played games at Jersey City's Roosevelt Stadium. Jacki Robinson played there.

[@KittyPurrfect100]

You mean Brooklyn Dodgers in 1956 and 1957

[@rainbowmade1880]

Is Manfred actually part of this crazy shit? Using the A’s as a guinea pig for international baseball? Or is Fisher just playing the field while he’s already hooked his new girlfriend AKA Las Vegas? Everything is possible with this crew. Doo diligence?

[@princechippy4151]

Who wants the A's anyway? their team are losers they are the worst ball team.

[@wchomes106]

ikr, i don't understand this move???

[@ryanjones875]

I guess you weren't following. Days were actually a playoff team and then in a bid to move Fisher traded all the good players and jacked up the seat prices so the attendance would go down so he'd have a justification.

[@lorenl9262]

As a person from the San Francisco Bay Area for over 35 years I left the Bay Area in 2011 and I thought that bringing the Oakland Raiders was a BAD idea and met the a person who works directly with the Raiders said that was a terrible idea for them moving to VEGA$!!! The Oakland A's are using VEGA$ as a PAWN for leverage against Oakland!!! Moving the A'S to Vegas is going to cost the city and county of VEGA$ a lot of lost revenue!!! Even the mayor of both Vegas and Oakland don't approve the MOVE!!!

[@ryanjones875]

Why haven't they already shut it down? This is a total mess.

[@MarloSoBalJr]

​@@ryanjones875Because it's business groups and Nevada politicians making handshake deals for themselves

[@reesejabs1895]

Here's a crazy idea. Renovate the Oakland Collesium.

[@user-pw3ji3rn3s]

Brodie Brazil and Casey Pratt have already said publicly this is a bad idea.

[@cuseyeti_one8three]

Rebuild where Oracle is. Actually, I’m conflicted on this. Oakland should probably focus its resources on non-sporting concerns. Why is the city losing business, population, etc? Why has every single one of its teams left recently? Yes, these owner groups suck, especially the nepo babies. But the city has a part in the losses, some reflection to do and I’d say some priorities to straighten out.

[@reesejabs1895]

Tear down half of the colosseum one year. Rebuild that half year two. Then tear down the other half in year 3. Rebuild that in year 4. Considering the A's attendance, it probably won't affect that at all.

[@overbanked]

It's way too decrepit

[@TheAyatollahofNofappollah]

They're kind of closer to finishing the deal. The Tropicana is demolished.

[@ronwebster1114]

Is that 8 game number a common agreement with the other teams and their stadium? I would think the stadiums would have to get something from MLB or the team if they play a series in korea, Mexico city, London, Australia, or some other international locale.

[@cuseyeti_one8three]

Actually, I’m conflicted on this. Oakland should probably focus its resources on non-sporting concerns. Why is the city losing business, population, etc? Why has every single one of its teams left recently? Yes, these owner groups suck, especially the nepo babies. But the city has a part in the losses, some reflection to do and I’d say some priorities to straighten out.

[@beefy45]

Baseball is pretty popular in Sacramento

[@mattreedah]

There is zero way Fisher sells to Utah, though I’d love it.

[@e.nowbodhi144]

reached for comment, owner John Fisher said "OINK!"

[@bobbypaluga4346]

Utah will not build a stadium for John Fischer

[@pringlized]

I'd like to see expansion. But for me the smart play is Mexico, Cuba, Dominican Republic and Venezuela. Bring in established clubs from their local leagues. Give them lottery picks and get investment. Wrap those teams in their own division and then they play against the Southern US: Miami, Houston, San Diego, Rangers, Diamondbacks, etc.. I always enjoy the Angels and Dodgers get their ass handed to them. They are in that teams to play too. I'm an A's fan, what can I say? Don't make anyone in my new South division fly to Boston or Minnesota. Just spit balling, but I could see MLB expand that way. Japan and Korea is a fools errand. They have great leagues. Europe?? Maybe some games in the Netherlands only because of the rich Caribbean Dutch history of the love for the game.

[@toughbutsweet1]

That's a cool idea, but is there enough money in those countries to develop fan bases through MLB level stadiums and TV contracts?

[@pringlized]

@@toughbutsweet1 Great question. I'd assume the expansion teams would have to foot those bills.

[@boogitybear2283]

Move back to Kansas City and play at Kauffman Stadium. Bye Bye Royals.

[@ynotefil]

At The End Of The Day MLB And It's Team Owner's Approved For All This B.S To Continue. GREED Will Never Succeed

[@edwardrozanski9041]

Anyone remember when the Oakland A's was the Philadelphia A's ,than from there

[@MarloSoBalJr]

Remember when they were the Kansas city A's?

[@reesejabs1895]

Perhaps Reno instead? 😄

[@wchomes106]

what is the average attendance like, percentage wise, in Oakland?

[@ryanjones875]

Well considering the last 3 years he got rid of all the good players and jacked up the prices, the last few years isn't a good metric.

[@blakkjack21]

A's trying to be the Jacksonville Jaguars of MLB.

[@andrewheitmeyer9945]

Only difference is the A’s actually have 9 World Series titles, shitload of hall of famers, but all with a shitty owner who’s destroyed that brand.

[@blakkjack21]

@@andrewheitmeyer9945 yes it is a shame that Fisher has run the A's into the ground. I only made the comparison as to the request for him to have the A's play as a team willing to play out of market(probably of of the country" games.

[@overbanked]

Shad Khan is actually a pretty decent owner that fully remains committed to Jacksonville (with numerous infrastructure projects built in Jax). That's actually the exact opposite of Oakland getting screwed by John Fisher. I don't get where you're coming from at all...

[@slobberkissintl3548]

Should I give up on my dream that the Utah Jazz will move to a market that NBA players want to be in (Vegas)? Salt Lake City gets an MLB team, Jazz move to Vegas or even better, move to Oakland, be the A's but a basketball team. I'm sure Fisher owns the name too but it'd be cool if the A's stays with Oakland and it changes sports. Wasn't there a St. Louis Cardinals in the NFL for a while? I love the European thing where Real Madrid is a franchise in several sports

[@juanfierro7365]

Just like the NPB! league from Japan.

[@bullwinkle2380]

It really is a done deal!!! The A's are moving to Vegas!!! YUCK! YUCK! YUCK!

[@frv1995]

Don't underestimate the ability of John fisher to fuck this all up 😂

[@edwardrozanski9041]

On

[@leighreganarblaster9852]

In Australia MLB season selling games will not is winter time not summer time. In winter in Australia in Australia Football League in Melbourne, Western Australia, South Australia, QLD and New South whales. At times AFL North Territory, Australian Captain City and Tasmania. Also winter National Rugby League in Melbourne, Australia Captain City, QLD And NSW and New B League Football (soccer) Australia second tier of Australian football national will be starting in winter 2925

[@ernestogastelum9123]

lmao

[@ronwebster1114]

The diamondbacks and Dodgers played a series in Australia to open the season back in 2014.

[@ryanjones875]

They have scheduled out there 2925?!

[@ryanjones875]

They have scheduled out there 2925?!

[@kevintheomanharris]

big cope. if you were such great fans you'd have built a stadium

[@thetouchback]

Your statement would also apply to Vegas' efforts to build a baseball stadium. There is a common denominator around the A's in all this and it's not Oakland or Las Vegas.

[@stefanbrown5872]

Big cope? Fishe already doesnt beleive in the Vegas brand…. He thinks it’s too small market to build that brand in a city known for travelers haha. Y’all keep playing the sucker tho we love watching the excuses. Btw a my lil pony pic? Figures from a a Vegas fan lol

[@janssenrembert3822]

The A's in Las Vegas is a done deal.....Stop the unnecessary misinformation.

[@thetouchback]

If it is a done deal, why is there no funding in place? I'll wait.

[@thedirtymac8054]

MLB is complicit in this fiasco. I am done after this season with MLB. If they cared about the fans and the product on the field, MLB would force Fisher to sell to Lacob. The San Francisco Bay Area deserves both NL and AL baseball just like Chicago, LA, and NY. We have the fans and the wealth to support two teams. If anyone thinks that the A’s will only play eight games away from Vegas is dreaming. I don’t think the A’s will play any of their eight games in Sacto, there is no benefit to play in a minor league park and the NBC California money is way less than the NBC Bay Area money that the A’s get now. Also, Utah is a small market. But if Sacto, Utah, and Vegas want Fisher, by all means, they can have that dodgy SOB.

[@ryanjones875]

More than just complicit.

[@togoandmoss]

the Baltimore and Seattle teams have similar verbiage in their contracts with the city. About a third of the teams have no restriction at all on home games played away from their ballpark... net effect is ZERO. Another "nothing burger" being served as the latest conspiracy theory. The dodgers opened up in Korea this year... net effect is zero.

[@stu4313]

The point is the A's are in the middle of relocating to a new city (well, trying) and yet before they even have a shovel in the ground they're already telling their new city they want to play nearly 10% of games somewhere else. Orioles, Mariners and Dodgers have all been in their current cities for decades and aren't moving anywhere anytime soon.

[@togoandmoss]

@@stu4313 The A's are signing a 30 year non-relocation agreement in Las Vegas.. they are not going anywhere either. Again a nothing burger!

[@thetouchback]

This is not true. The three teams to have have most recently opened new stadiums have it stated that they will play no more than 3 "home" outside the venue. Why do the A's need more than double that? Especially considering they are the ones who used 81-game projections in their financial presentations.

[@stefanbrown5872]

It’s a something burger alright. Stop cucking for fisher bro. He isn’t giving you a crumb. Makes you wonder tho - with some many sell out games needed in Vegas to pay off the bonds at home why is fisher trying trying to play an extra 10% on the road to build brand…. Isn’t Vegas the move to build that brand up? ….. unless fisher has no faith in that small market…… no way to get out of this foolish position lol we tried warning you……

[@user-pw3ji3rn3s]

This baloney clickbait you preach is getting old.

[@thetouchback]

Yet here you are unable to say where the video is wrong (because it isn't) and clicking on something you think is "baloney clickbait". The latter says far more about you than me.

[@user-pw3ji3rn3s]

@@thetouchback Why bother? This just mental wacking off.

[@thetouchback]

@@user-pw3ji3rn3s This seems like a big deal. And there must be something to it because, for whatever reason, you're here watching and commenting.

[@user-pw3ji3rn3s]

@@thetouchback No. I'm warning others this is BS. Its a public service.

[@thetouchback]

@@user-pw3ji3rn3s It's not though. The A's are going against every other non-relocation agreement made in the past decade. And why? Better yet, why don't you hop off your suspicious, recently created burner KZbin account and use your real one?