THE LAST JEDI - 7 Reasons Why It Went Wrong!

[@Crystalgate]

One major disagreement, The Force Awakens did not masterfully set up anything. It dangled the mysteries in front of us, but it set up nothing. TFA didn't foreshadow anything regarding the mysteries, there was no thought put into what the answers would be, instead the next writer was tasked with coming up with satisfying answers. Who is Snoke was also never a mystery in the first place, the answer was always "he and the whole order somehow emerged out of nowhere because JJ needed a new villain".

[@brendancomiskey2349]

Agreed! JJ also painted RJ into a corner with Luke, by keeping him out of the conflict until Rey found him. Why would he do that otherwise?

[@brendanhiggins3442]

Your making excuses nonsense it's a shocking movie my sons could have wrote better.

[@jimkelseymusiccjh]

Yup - you nailed it. Instead being uplifting, it felt like your typical 1970's depressing, empty, no hope-type of movie. There is a time and place for that type of movie, but most people want an escape from real life. I think that is one of the main reasons why Star Wars was so impactful. Not only were the special effects and pacing ground-breaking, but Star Wars put good and evil in their proper places and the good guys were victorious. Rian Johnson is part of Gen X, same as myself. Gen Xers had two types of parents: those who followed the rules of the Great Generation and those who rebelled. I don't know Rian Johnson's background, but it would appear he is a product of the problem at hand. My mother-in-law said that it was her generation that messed up society as we know it today. I would agree with her because I witnessed it first-hand. The kids who were constantly in the principal's office, partied on the weekends, got involved with drugs were those whose parents gave them too much freedom. As a teacher, I saw the results first-hand as, some from my generation, admittingly didn't know how to parent their kids. The kids would back-talk, refuse to do assignments, refuse to follow rules and the parents didn't know what to do...because they weren't shown by example by their Baby Boomer parents. Much of this has to do with values relativism and turning away from truths that used to have meaning in our great nation. I am reminded of Romans 5:3-5, which states ..."suffering produces perseverance; perseverance produces character; and character, hope." That is the problem with the new Star Wars films - they are intent on destroying the character of the heroes of the first three film, like Luke Skywalker and, therefore, destroy the quality of hope - which totally contradicts the title of the 1977 movie.. Many things fans "hoped" for in these three recent films were destroyed for a personal, selfish, unfocused agenda of Rian Johnson.

[@default_doppelganger]

The introduction of space fuel, space bombers that fly in a straight line grouped up like a WWII run rather than torpedoes, rockets, or missiles, and lightspeed ramming...Re-Ann Johnson was completely unsuitable for writing Star Wars but he's a genius right? 😂😂

[@lukewright9031]

TLJ had all the right ingredients for a satisfying story but poorly executed and if we're being honest in hindsight TFA set up mystery for the sake of mystery much like how TLJ subverts for the sake of it. JJ Abrams approach to storytelling is all about the "mystery box" as in toss in (figuratively) all sorts of ideas no matter how outlandish and hope you can weave a thread through them. Rian Johnson probably saw through this hack style of writing and took a dig at it because he knew Abrams wouldn't bother answering any of the questions he setup. For reference; _Lost_ and _Alias_

[@FrancisXLord]

From a young age I was obsessed with film, I would go to the cinema absurdly regularly (about 2 or 3 times a week - 2 or 3 times a day to see the same film if it is really good), having total trust in the storytellers to take me on an adventure, then drop me home with the feeling I'd had a good time. Do you know how many films I've been to see at the cinema since TLJ? One. That's right, from 2 to 3 times a week to 1 cinema visit in 7 years. I no longer trust the storytellers I'd think it fair to say. Now, it may not be fair to entirely blame TLJ for that, it may just have been the hair that broke the camel's back. First there was Man of Steel, then Batman v Superman, and finally there was TLJ. I keep abreast of what films are coming out, I catch them later on streaming if, and only if, a fair number of people (that I'm sure aren't affiliated with the studios in any way) praise the film. So that kind of cancels cinema visits because a film isn't in cinemas long enough for me to do adequate research, confident I'm not listening to shills. How Ruin Johnson has the gall to call himself a writer/director when he can't write for s**t. The emotional juxtaposition in TLJ is inconsistent, sloppy and entirely ineffective at anything but to frustrate the viewer watching. Looper is a great short story idea fleshed out into a feature-length film. Future concepts introduced loosely in the guise of news reports of events going on offscreen in order to facilitate a third act. Those concepts don't really fit together either, they're incoherent. You go from watching the main story, about a man assigned to kill his older self, to watching a story about telekinesis and whatever the f**k else that was. Now I've not seen Knives Out, everyone raves about it. I can tell you one thing though, it's a murder/mystery, so there's no character development in it. Ruin should stick to films with no character development, he doesn't seem to even get the concept of character consistency, let alone development. Of course, I'm speaking as a writer there. The one film I went to see in 7 years by the way was by the storyteller I most trusted from a young age, Steven Spielberg. It was called The Fabelmans, and frankly it didn't disappoint. Tony Kushner (and Spielberg for that matter) can write. Granted I didn't go and see The Post, West Side Story nor Ready Player One because they didn't interest me.

[@iconpoet]

The 10-12 year olds who saw this movie are 17-19 now... how many of them care about this movie?

[@pikeflowed]

VERY good point.

[@DrReelTV]

Valid point as in How many have seen it again (and again and again)

[@heavycritic9554]

The Last Jedi is essentially the movie Logan... or Star Wars: A New Hope... Old master who has become a bit of a curmudgeon because of his personal history, becomes mentor for starry-eyed waif who seems destined to become the successor, and then goes on to sacrifice himself for a greater good.

[@DrReelTV]

Interesting take

[@pikeflowed]

" Logan Wars : No Hope ", alternative title ? ;)

[@heavycritic9554]

@@pikeflowed Starring Hugh Jackman as Logy Wan Kenobi.

[@heavycritic9554]

@@DrReelTV It's one of the reasons why I can't take any criticism seriously, that claims Rey's storyline with Luke is "stupid"; that it's "stupid that Luke become like that" or whatever. I'd be willing to bet that the people who claim things like that, thought the storyline was perfectly acceptable or even awesome in ANH or Logan. It could even be stretched to fit The Phantom Menace; Qui-Gon Jinn being disillusioned with the establishment and going rogue. He, again, becomes mentor for a starry-eyed waif who seems destined to become the successor, and then goes on to sacrifice himself for a greater good. TLJ follows an established sequence of events used in both the other trilogies; but for some reason, people hated pretty much the exact same sequence of events when Disney and Kathleen Kennedy were at the controls. Go figure...

[@pikeflowed]

@@heavycritic9554 haha, Love it ! :)

[@joeypieper6384]

Reason Number 8. Lack of a Time Skip.

[@eonllewis]

You forgot the #1 reason. Kathleen Kennedy! She seems determined to finish off the job of ruining an epic franchise and Disney is sitting back and watching it happen. It seems that the only fans that she’s listening to, are the ones who agree with her clear agenda. It makes me sick to my stomach to agree with the masses of right wing trolls on any issue, but she’s making it easy for many people to stop caring and just walk away

[@pikeflowed]

An atrocious film, badly made and with silly plot twists/narrative progression, pointless characters, little logical sense, cringe-worthy scenes (Luke sucks alien fish juice, Luke throws away Light-Saber over his shoulder for cheap laughs, pathetic " psychic " phone call " between Kylo Ren and Rey "oh put a shirt on ", etc, etc) Mary-sue Rey the all-to-perfect " Jedi " with no visual proof of gift/s attainment, crushingly embarrassing attempts at " humour ", Princess Leia " flying through space Like Mary Poppins, woeful dialogue and characterisation, a real hot mess of a film really plus woke " right-on " Female Girl Boss' doing down the " useless " men. A truly awful and failing-all-the-way through attempt at a Star Wars film. The film sucked harder than a Dyson on Super-charge.

[@jameswyman5752]

Rian Johnson is what happened. Nuff said.

[@14bface]

He deservedly gets a lot of shit but part of the reason his script got such a quick approval was he was working directly with LF story group and didn’t push back on their notes of what they wanted to happen at all. He was working mostly with kiri hart who parted ways with LF within 6 months of TLJ release. Seems she got the blame internally since I am sure Disney wasn’t happy with the fandoms frustration

[@RugbyLeagueHistory]

Everything was wrong about The Last Jedi.

[@LuckyDogProductions]

Write poop, shoot poop = SW fans get....poop

[@crencottrell7849]

Unpopular opinion, but movies starring Adam Driver tend not to do well...😅

[@DrReelTV]

Black Klansman was great

[@dinomonzon7493]

Johnson had No Respect for the Saga and baited fans with supposedly 'cool' replies (as if using the F word in his replies makes him cool or knowledgable). His disregard for Mark Hamill's concern proves this. He wanted to impress- all he did was undermine the legend and the loyalty of the fandom. Quentin Tarantino and Bill Shatner could've done better. The aborted attack by Finn gave no real payoff- it was just done for supposedly melodramatic romance. And lets not forget the ludicrous 'Mary Poppins scene for Princess Leia.

[@peteuplink]

The problem with TLJ is the fans expected to get answers to questions they thought TFA was setting up (who is Rey, who is Snoke, who are the Knights of Ren, and so on), so they build up in their own minds what the movie was going to be, and what it was going to tell them, before they even saw it. And when it turned out to be completely different to what they thought they were going to get, and it didn't answer anything that they thought was important to know from TFA, they hated it.

[@pikeflowed]

No , fans didn't like it because it was a terrible film that was bordering on a bad parody of Star Wars with ridiculous " plot twists " and cringeworthy attempts at " humour " that was totally inappropriate for Star Wars, they may as call it CARRY ON STAR WARS, the film was a total embarrassment from beginning to end and also full of pro-female woke agenda.

[@peteuplink]

​@@pikeflowed oh shush... the amount of crying you lot do is getting tiresome

[@14bface]

@@pikeflowedyep. Seems LF has a big problem of creating scripts where the plot moves forward based on characters being incredibly incompetent or act the complete opposite of the way the character was set up. Just sad.

[@sebastiannock942]

It was boring. The whole trilogy was boring asf.

[@parkerpshebnisky1051]

The last Jedi is a good movie just not a good Star Wars movie!😅

[@pikeflowed]

Its neither.

[@arthurmartine6410]

The movie just FLAT OUT SUCKED !!

[@zshah3107]

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[@triphazard6802]

Nothing went wrong, it's a fine flick. Not perfect but a really good movie with great direction, bold ideas and not afraid to try doing things differently. The problem was when JJ decided to backtrack in the next film which devalued much of the development in TLJ.