THE LAST OF US' Craig Mazin talks Pedro Pascal, Bella Ramsey, and next season! Happy Sad Confused

THE LAST OF US showrunner Craig Mazin joins Josh for a deep dive into the remarkable first season of the show and gives a tease of what's to come. #happysadconfused #joshhorowitz #craigmazin #thelastofus
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00:00 Introduction
03:24 From Chernobyl to Last of Us
05:24 Initial ideas for his take on The Last of Us
07:20 Making changes to The Last of Us
09:53 Complicity in the story
15:20 Unforgiven comparison
18:06 McCoanaughey/Mahershala Ali rumors
19:29 Connecting with Pedro
22:23 Casting Bella Ramsey
25:26 The flour theory
28:24 Have we seen Abby?
30:42 Killing Joel
36:42 Casting for season 2
40:43 The "video game curse"
44:26 Harry Potter TV series
47:11 Superheroes

[@JoshHorowitz]

What are you most excited for in the next season of THE LAST OF US? Make sure to watch all of my chats by subscribing to the channel!

[@gailseatonhumbert]

I never liked revenge stories starting way back when I first read the Count of Monte Cristo for school. So I won't be back.

[@mickael486]

I'm looking forward to Craig completely changing the narrative of the pretentious, cringeworthy sequel that Neil wrote with the obvious absense of Bruce Straley.

[@Martyntd5]

I'm interested to see how the writers solve the problem of a polarised fan base. If the show follows the same story, then it's reasonable to assume half the fans will be alienated in the same way they were with the game ...except a game has a captive audience and players play for both the story and the combat. With a show, there is only story ...what is to stop those who dont like the way it unfolds, from walking away and not tuning in next week? A TV show doesnt have a captive audience that can be contemptuously and cynically force-fed whatever story the writer thinks they should tell.

[@mickael486]

@@Martyntd5 That's a great question. and I think deep down Craig knows that the sequels plot is, at best, a story that needs major directional shifts if anyone substantial is going to watch after the first 2 episodes. I'll be watching only out of morbid curiosity. Loved the 1st season and loved the first game. Not so much the 2nd game. it was a slog to get through amd Naughty Dog is one of my favorite developers.

[@Martyntd5]

@@mickael486 Same. I pre-paid for TLoU2 because I loved the first so much. They already had my money, but had I been paying in instalments as I played, I wouldn't have made the second payment. The first game was a wonderful story, the second was an insult to my intelligence.

[@looney1023]

Season 2 is 22 half hour episodes of Joel and Ellie doing sitcom things to delay the emotional gutpunch at the start of Season 3.

[@MrJimheeren]

Silly Joel and his dangerous outburst of violence and funny Ellie stabbing knives in everything she doesn’t like

[@TheAfricanGrey]

Craig and Neil are the dynamic duo. Thank you Shannon Woodward for bringing them together. Extremely excited to see how they adapt Part 2. I just love TLOU man.

[@vokasimid5330]

Very nervous

[@MayLily]

You need to interview Pedro again! It's been 3 years already and a lot has happened since then, lol.

[@jaynedavies6975]

I would like to see a bridge episode from season 1 to 2 showing abit about how Joel and Ellie settled into Jackson with life and adjusting to things also showing the father daughter /relationship develop... before jumping into part 2

[@Aussie27Legend]

I don't think episode 1 is going to be what people think it is, originally it was going to be longer and I suspect that will be revisited as a concept (both the ellie side and the abby side), maybe you can do that all in 90 minutes if you want to hit the ground running.

[@terrilreece8045]

Me too. I want to see that part of the story before the inevitable. 😢

[@jeffextreme5498]

What everyone is forgetting is that the change has already happened. Joel has already lied to Ellie and she knows it. They will not be the same anymore.

[@willynilly2545]

Listening to THE LAST OF US podcast with the writers gave me so much insight into how to world build, character development, and story than any screenwriting book I've ever read. This guy is a super talented storyteller!

[@ozzell]

Can't wait for season 2. The game is amazing. More so than part 1 it feels like a heartbreaking emotional rollercoaster that left me with profound insights into humanity and life.

[@tmac326]

Glad you like Part 2 but I as well as many fans of the franchise would harshly disagree that 2 is better than 1 in any regard other than gameplay and graphics wise.

[@ozzell]

​@@tmac326 I'm sorry. I didn't mean to put down Part 1 in any way. It's one of the greatest games ever made. I was saying that Part 2 put me through so many emotions that it's kind of insane. Part 1 is a simpler game, which is why it's so universally loved. Part 2 is a lot more challenging emotionally, but for me personally that challenge is what made it so meaningful. And for some that made them hate it. I'm glad if you are somewhere in between. Polarisation isn't always so good.

[@dianesteffensen955]

hichernoble

[@Largentina.]

​@@dianesteffensen955If you would've spelled at least one of those words right then I think more people than just me would've gotten the joke.

[@netq9362]

@@Largentina. what joke? and what words? he literally just typed in "hichernoble" which, btw, i have no fucking clue what that means. i'm so confused

[@milscollins]

craig has to be one of the best writers of all time. my favourite things in the show are the foreshadowing of Bill’s letter - I WAS GAGGED and in the last episode when joel said „it wasnt time that did it” to ellie i literally felt my heart melting, it was so pure🥹 cant wait for season two even tho we all know damn well that they will make it even more heartbreaking and we will never know peace again

[@LeraChebulera]

I'm a hopeless Craig Mazin fangirl, thank you Josh!

[@aliscastro5532]

I am so excited. I just wish, pray, hope that Pedro stays longer by expanding his role with maybe some modifications to the story like they did in season one.

[@datdudeinred]

I would love if they keep everything almost same. Him dying so early was the catalyst behind the revange & redemption arc for both Ellie & Abby. The story isn't about Joel it was over after pt1. The story was about learning to let go no matter how difficult it is.

[@MayLily]

This is a TV series adaptation and Pedro Pascal has now become a superstar thanks to that show. They will be stupid to let him die early, unless they plan on continuing with flashbacks only. In being faithful to the game, of course Joel will die, but I felt like they rushed Season 1 so bad with only 9 episodes, they will try to expand for Season 2.

[@MatiZ815]

@@MayLilyI thought season 1 was perfectly paced. It only feels rushed if you keep comparing to the game: how long the levels are, how long it took you to beat them. That doesn't translate at all. 12h game does not equal to a 12h show. Games need a lot more time to tell stories because they have to make room for gameplay which doesn’t exist in any other medium. Thanks to that, the show gave us more than the game in a shorter runtime. I’m also glad it wasn’t a slug show. I’m getting tired of all those slow burn shows which are these days apparently the only way you can make them.

[@MayLily]

@@MatiZ815 I thought they should have had a separate episode with flashbacks to the time period right after Sarah died, especially what Joel and Tommy went through and then what Joel and Tess went through and how their relationship developed. Tess was badly underserved storywise. So many things they could have elaborated on, but at least we saw a glimpse of a younger, happier Joel and Tess when they visited Frank and Bill in episode 3.

[@00rabbit7]

The games flashbacks to Joel are some of the best moments and the museum one could easily be its own episode like Long Long Time was

[@flodobaggins]

OMG CRAIG MAZIN WORKED ON DUNE PART 2?!?!?!?!? Denis Villeneuve knows how to pick collaborators!!! Thank you so much for this awesome interview, Josh. Can't wait for TLoU Season 2!

[@calderdune]

Do you have a minute marker for this in the interview??

[@flodobaggins]

@@calderdune Josh clarifies it at 49:22 mark

[@wendydarling5790]

OMG Phoebe Waller-Bridge

[@tomfehr]

absolutely incredible interview. Mazin is so insightful and Josh had great questions. DO NOT listen all the way through if you don't want season 2 spoiled for non-gamers though!

[@the_mia_mia]

I was about to listen to the whole thing, thanks for the spoiler warning!

[@tomfehr]

@@the_mia_mia yeah he said spoiler warning but easy to misinterpret him as saying it's just for S1 when in fact he defo spoils a huge thing in season 2

[@datdudeinred]

Neil did pretty fantastic job in the og games. The TLOU2 is insane i can't wait to see how they adapt that complex storyline & where they split it for s3. The split itself can make or break the show for those who haven't played the game.

[@Aussie27Legend]

I feel like putting the season finale in the obvious spot (end of ellie day 3) probably isn't going to happen as I think they are probably going to have them more integrated, but if they do [SPOILER ALERT] .... ... .. . .. ... .... A season 3 which is essentially an abby season that would be *ballsy* (I am not sure you can just let that actress be hated for like 3 years before they get a chance to tip their hand and show the other side of the coin).

[@joaovictorkelima2551]

just for the fact that he has been searched and is given the chance to be polite and wrong and received the credit he deserves in the script of DUNA is already DOPE and that makes me hope that he continues in the saga

[@slickstar96]

P2 is a beast im so curious how they are going to do the show i love the game because of its structure it lost some people due to this but this time they have to do it while kind of telling the same story. P1/S1 is just a training ground for S2/S3

[@ronburgundy3172]

I wonder what the scale of the show is going to be stepping into S2

[@elliewilliamswifereal]

my favorite interviewer! He’s so polite

[@goldiesouthern5026]

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!!! Big thank to Craig and to Josh.

[@Hellohellonada]

43:47 I’m choosing this moment as a subtle jab at Witcher writers/showrunners. Here’s hoping for a Cavill cameo now

[@Largentina.]

You realize for Cavill to have a cameo in this show, he'd have to come back to the company that recently fired him, right?

[@Hellohellonada]

@@Largentina. different production arm dude

[@_romy_03]

Is that a golf club in the background of Craig's room? 😭 I'm so excited for season 2 ❤🌿. I literally can't wait. The Last of Us truly is a masterpiece ❤.

[@emporioalnino4670]

He knows what he's doing 👀

[@Tl.2255]

Where

[@_romy_03]

@@Tl.2255 On the left, leaning against the window - with the handle part up and a golf ball on top of it. At least that's what I think it is.

[@ronburgundy3172]

I hope they find a more dignified way to ***spoilers* kill off Joel in the story I mean yeah he's been a bad guy but give him one good standoff before he goes.

[@lizatitova]

Omg, so excited for this!!!

[@Lightfeatherwing]

this was a wonderful interview, well done Josh! And I can't wait for season 2

[@kerrilynnfernandez873]

I was so excited to see this!!! I can’t wait for season 2, and I hope you get to have Bella or anyone back on!!

[@mirelle_oz]

he interviewed bella actually !

[@kerrilynnfernandez873]

@@mirelle_oz I saw it! It was one of my favorite interviews of hers! I hope she comes back on again with him

[@emporioalnino4670]

​@@PedroPascal-dd4lfomg the real Pedro pascal?????????? no way 🥺

[@Largentina.]

​@@PedroPascal-dd4lfYou're pathetic.

[@netq9362]

@@PedroPascal-dd4lfbro 💀

[@Jigsawn2]

Another great interview with Craig. He's a very good interviewee, eloquent and insightful, and you asked the questions we wanted to know, cheers!

[@stephaniel8080]

Oh my gosh Josh and Craig!? This just made my day/week! Two of my favorite people that I could watch and listen to for hours. Love TLOU and this chat. Can we get once of these per week?! And dang Josh good job at getting some tea! I never heard Craig talk about Mahershala or MM in an interview before, for example. Props.

[@elizabethlm3918]

I love Craig Mazin. I love his work. I love his personality, more of his stuff please❤

[@moniqueyaptenco5802]

Great talk. Has anybody called Craig aMAZINg? 😂

[@nerdylilpumpkin]

Cool cool cool here’s to continuing being both excited, trusting, but also absolute dread until season 2 has been completed and aired😅😬🙃 Lovely interview and super fun to listen to!🥰

[@datdudeinred]

Wish you'd have ask him was the 80s song that starts playing at end of ep 1 was the beginning of the Playlist as bill & frank die? Was that an indication as it defaults to 80s playlist if not reset. That was a freakish little detail tbh.

[@miklschmidt]

43:26 Shots fired. *cough* The Witcher *cough*

[@johnnyonline]

Hold up, is that a golf club sitting behind Craig? Hahaha. Brutal. IYKYK. #TLOU2

[@user-ic7zu6zp5h]

❤ I'm a huge fan of The Last Of US .The count down is waiting for part 2 . I'm hoping that it's going back to where Ellie confronts Joel lied to Ellie. As a parent would to protect their children.

[@wendydarling5790]

28:23 There was someone running away from the hospital when Joel was shooting? I don't remember that at all. Just watched the scene again and still don't see that.

[@emporioalnino4670]

There was a shadowy figure which appeared to be a woman with long braided hair, and a lot of fans suspected it was Abby. IIRC Neil shut down that theory in a podcast/interview though. And on the official podcast, he confirmed that the girl we see in Ep 6 is Dina

[@bjarkisteinnpetursson9736]

“Adaptations by people who don’t give a shit about the video game” describes the Uncharted movie perfectly. You could really feel how that movie was made by executives, agents, and lawyers and not by writers and filmmakers.

[@sailingkiel]

Shorter Craig: "You might very well think that, but I couldn't possibly comment."

[@bravovince3070]

Nooo Josh you forgot to ask him about Borderlands which he wrote

[@Aussie27Legend]

lionsgate also forgot about the borderlands movie craig wrote

[@Largentina.]

Why would he ask him about that? The movie that's coming out isn't the one he wrote.

[@bravovince3070]

@@Largentina. i didnt know the joe crombie news when I wrote the comment lol

[@Sn1perAJ]

I will not watch Joel die again even more so now its Pedro

[@Armand0Natali]

Думаю, что было бы хорошо показать во втором сезоне TLOU больше сцен с воспоминаниями Джоэла о жизни до эпидемии, потом знакомстве с Тэсс, выживании до встречи с Элли. Это позволило бы углубить образ Джоэла и оттянуть сцены его гибели. Тем более, что Бэлла Рамси признавалась, что без Педро Паскаля ей будет очень трудно вытянуть сериал. Без Паскаля им будет очень трудно удержать интерес к сериалу и высокий рейтинг. Сценаристам сейчас не следует точно придерживаться старой канонической линии, обязательно нужно создавать новый канон !

[@orie._.]

Абсолютно согласна со всем!

[@farukcelik5238]

I’m only saying this ,- I don’t want to spoil anything so I’ll just say it like this Give him a good one If you know what I mean

[@TorchySmurf]

Regarding Last of Us PART 2, You are not "Asked to split your loyalties." You are forced to.

[@BobBob73271]

YES🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@major4211]

The 2nd game is my favorite. If they aren’t faithful to the source material, then I’m not going to continue watching. I’ll still wish them all the best though.

[@ITACA841]

SPOILER ALERT FOR THIS VIDEO, GUYS. If you don't want to be spoiled about the future season, it's better if you don't watch this. A major spoiler was dropped 😂😅

[@goncaloferreira4033]

FLORENCEPUGH

[@lukeshioshio]

How tf did they get this guy to write scary movie 4

[@Aussie27Legend]

Craig's imdb is *wild* haha

[@Largentina.]

Because he wasn't successful yet. He wanted to work on Scary Movie.

[@martinwaschkowitsch3153]

i think joels acts are especially justified because the firefly have proven them selves to be absolutely incompetent...

[@lolokov505]

Craig is a genius! Big fan of the show and can’t wait till S2! I know that he has a special relationship with Bella, but I can’t get over how he still refers to Bella with the incorrect pronouns. I obviously don’t know the whole story, but I hope he can be an ally going forward and support their decision.

[@victor_734]

SPOILERS I think it is certain that Joel will die in season 2 (in Part 2 the entire story is based around it, without Joel's death Ellie would have no reason to go after Abby), but the question is when, it could be in episode 2 or like episode 6 depending on what structure of the story they use

[@mickael486]

That's right. Which is why so many people hated the sequel. It's a 2nd grade plot based entirely on getting revenge for someone who kills a guy for GOOD reasons during a fuxking apocalypse. it was insulting to play through. With any luck, Craig will dump Neil's pretentious cringe of a story and start over.

[@dominikhaba695]

If they gonna keep the structure of the game, I think episode 1, because that death is an inciting incident for the season-Joel's dead, Ellie wants revenge, we (the audience) know the stakes (or we think we know...).Keeping Joel alive for longer, when the story starts with his death would very filler-ish.

[@major4211]

They will likely do it episode 1. It’s the inciting incident after all. Joel (Pedro) will be in the flashbacks.

[@maritta01]

​​@@major4211those have to be a lot of flashbacks to keep Pedro in this project in Canada, instead of being in other projects, it's hard to believe he will go to Canada from time to time, to film some flashback scenes here and there, specially if he is in some other project at the time

[@amandah3731]

​@mickael486 if that's what you got out of part 2 you missed the entire point of it.

[@dino_matt]

It's not helpful to say spoiler warning, and then write out the spoiler in the episode segments. I skipped that part so I still don't know the context but why even include that in the conversation at all?

[@jeffextreme5498]

You seriously need to avoid the freaking internet if you don't want to be spoiled. It's everywhere. Even I'm sad about it. Though I've known both games. I hate that it's getting spoiled for so many fans of the show.

[@dino_matt]

@@jeffextreme5498 I wouldve thought the show runner would be more protective about spoilers

[@Largentina.]

​@@dino_mattThe average person doesn't care about people like you. Especially the show runner to an HBO show. People like you that are overly sensitive about spoilers, aren't thought of as a group of people that should be catered to. I mean, obviously.

[@rickjames3034]

Oh you guys are doin buurrgerrrs nooow?

[@bigotsandwiches8456]

Matthew McConaughey would’ve been great too. He’d nail Joel’s “I’m falling in my sleep” monologue

[@orie._.]

He would have been 100%, he's a great actor as is Pedro

[@bigotsandwiches8456]

@@orie._. “Look, sometimes things don’t turn out the way we hoped. It’s like you’ve come to an end. But if you just keep going…. you find something new to fight for.” When I hear that from the end of episode 9, I can picture Matthew saying it.

[@noellenn2122]

I’m not so sure I agree the punished by a father figure argument. It sounds like something someone deeply entrenched in a patriarchal world view would subscribe to. I find that very telling. Not passing judgement. Just an observation.

[@Largentina.]

You might not have posted anything judgemental. But you are definitely passing judgement on Craig. You couldn't have written that statement if you didn't judge him at least a little bit.

[@analmf1210]

What Joel did, is something that honestly I would do. Doesn't mean that I think is correct (not everything) but I understand it. I would definitely take my daughter from there, and Marlene, maybe, living what Joel lived with his brother, now Ellie (Rilley too) I would kill her, since I would see her as a dangerous recruiter of the innocent or the weak mind (she was using Riley to convince Ellie of her harmless, to stay close to her, she didn't care about Riley. Staying close to Ellie, I didn't see Marlene loving the pig, but loving pork) The actress is very pretty and nice, but I don't like the character of Marlene.

[@AucoinInkScreenwriting]

Idiot spoiled s2 for anyone who hasn't played tlou2!!

[@Largentina.]

And he did so immediately after saying the words "spoiler warning." It's interesting that he said a spoiler after saying that. Never would've seen that coming. I thought he was joking when he gave a warning before spoiling it.

[@AucoinInkScreenwriting]

@@Largentina. It's literally the biggest spoiler he could've dropped. He dumb.

[@samanthaneill3096]

I haven’t listened to the interview in full yet (so I hope to be wrong on this) but it’s kind of disappointing that Craig Mazin doesn’t seem to use Bella Ramsey’s preferred pronouns. I respected CM and ND for their nuanced, respectful approach to queer representation in the series, so it’s seems really odd that CM defaults to she/her when referring to BR in interviews. 🤷‍♀️

[@cherswigmaker]

Bella doesn't really care about that if you have paid attention to her/their interviews. Even so, perhaps the person who should be disappointed it's her? She's the one who seems to have a close personal relationship with Craig.

[@MarkArnoldMusic]

They are not Bella's preferred pronouns. That is a misconception that has been trotted through the media, presumably by trans activists using an in-the-moment pop culture icon to posture their own views. Bella has said that she doesn't care what pronouns people use, so unless she insists otherwise, it's more reasonable to use pronouns that align with the gender status quo.

[@quintoblanco8746]

Bella will occasionally specify in interviews that the publication can/should use the pronouns she/her. They have also commented on feeling pleased when at some point the pronouns he/his were used. This is their opinion about pronouns: “Being gendered isn’t something that I particularly like, but in terms of pronouns, I really couldn’t care less"

[@samanthaneill3096]

I wouldn’t claim to have any insight into Bella’s personal feelings or relationships, nor do I think there’s any malice or ignorance from CM. It’s wonderful to hear people speak so highly of an emerging actor! I don’t pretend to speak for or understand Bella’s exact circumstances by any means. Casual acknowledgment of identity can feel very affirming for marginalised people in the audience, that’s the perspective I’m coming from more than leaping to defend a celebrity.

[@MarkArnoldMusic]

@@samanthaneill3096 I understand that, but if you're using a named celebrity (or indeed, any person at all) that isn't necessarily a fair proxy for the community you claim to be showing sensitivity towards, then that can be considered an act of posturing rather than an act of genuine empathy. I don't mean to be preachy, but sometimes good intentions don't translate to good deeds.

[@stephenrodwell]

If you’re a fan of Bella, try to to misgender them.

[@mox_tox]

that’s what I was thinking abt, hopefully this was filmed before bella said that they only use they/them pronouns bc if it wasn’t then that’s just wrong

[@feetheawkward1739]

Bella says she doesn't really care what people call her in terms of pronouns. Pay attention

[@mickael486]

Craig, admit it, the first game was a masterpiece. The sequel is a lazy, unimagined, cringeworthy story that noone will like. Please change it 🙏

[@MarkArnoldMusic]

Nope. You can always watch something else…

[@MatiZ815]

If no one liked the story, then how come it has the highest completion ratio out of any PS4 game? It has a higher completion ratio among players than the first game.

[@mickael486]

@@MatiZ815 Good question. It's Because it had an incredibly EASY difficulty rating option. It's that simple. I also finished the game and hated the story the entire time. The gameplay was somewhat decent, minus lazy object placement for ammo, materials, etc.

[@MarkArnoldMusic]

@@mickael486 and a "grounded" mode for hardcore. What's your point. Some people just want to experience the story without getting caught up on combat and resource management challenges. I feel this is very much a positive argument because it makes the game more broadly accessible ...? Whether you hated the story is entirely up to you. Many people loved it, and the people that loved it tended to have a far more nuanced critical deconstruction of it as a piece of art, social statement, philosophical debate, examination of the self. Those that hated it seem to take the story decisions more personally - as if they were somehow owed something as a gamer before finding another golf club meme to troll with on social media.

[@mickael486]

@@MarkArnoldMusic My point?? Read the QUESTION before you question the Answer. Someone else asked the question. Why did so many people finish the 2nd game compared to any other PS game. So I answered it. I gave you the answer. No one had to give up playing because it became to difficult. It wasn't because the story was somehow better than any other PS game. It was because of the accessibility of the game, as described. I did not comment on whether or not that was a good or bad thing. It's just an option in the game and I have no problem with it, even if you would assume that I would. I don't. The problem I have with the game is how amazingly lazy the script is. Every character I loved, I wound up either hating or see die before the 2nd chapter in a manipulative and exploitive way just to give a reason why there's a sequel. All the new characters were pointless and did not move the story forward. Remove Charlie and Abs boyfriend and even Ellie's girlfriend and nothing of note changes the narrative. Hell, I even hated Tommy because he turned into a vengeful asshole for guilt tripping Ellie, who happens to be the LITERAL possible CURE for mankind, to go out on a mindless revenge quest clear across the fuxking country to kill someone that actually had a good reason to kill his brother. It was Dumb and lazy. Unless you're below the age of 12, or never read a book or watched a good drama, the story was a crushing pretentious bore thinking it was this insightful moral play when it was just a shoehorned sermon about who is really a good person or a bad person, really... And they threw in a trangender person or two in there to make it seem like it was groundbreaking and brave. It was an insult to my intellegence. There are plenty of honest YT reviews on this subject if you care to understand why there was such a large group of people that hated it. and sure, I wasn't happy that Joel died in the beginning, but that was ok. What I hated was that THAT was it. THAT was the story. To seek revenge on the people that did it. As if I needed to sit through this 15 hour amateur story to realize that everyone in the world sucks, including everyone in this shitty game. I already knew the former. I was hoping I wouldn't wind up hating everyone in the game by the end of it. And if they don't change things drastically, for the HBO show, I'm willing to bet people are going to stop watching before the half of it is over. Having said that, the original is a masterpiece and set the bar for video game story telling that has yet to succeed it.

[@user-hz3gx6bk5v]

Craig will only make season 2 worse. part two game operates at the expense of violence and cruelty and he will just take it away. I'm sure🥲

[@feetheawkward1739]

HUH?!

[@Largentina.]

What are you talking about?