The law that broke US immigration

Why the US has so many undocumented immigrants.
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Immigration looked very different before 1996, when President Bill Clinton signed the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA). The law was supposed to stop undocumented immigration by increasing enforcement and punishing people for being in the US undocumented. Instead, it incentivized people to stay in the US - and the undocumented population doubled.
When researching this story we used a lot of great resources. Here are a few of the most helpful:
This collection of articles on IIRIRA by the Center for Migration Studies explains many angles on the law itself, the politics of the time that led to its passing, and the ongoing impact: cmsny.org/publications/jmhs-s...
Douglas S. Massey at Princeton and his co-authors have written about how border enforcement backfired, including in this 2016 paper: spia.princeton.edu/system/fil...
We got data on return probabilities to Mexico after a first undocumented trip from the Mexican Migration Project: mmp.opr.princeton.edu/
Polling data about Americans’ views on immigration come from the Pew Research Center and Gallup: www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...
news.gallup.com/poll/1660/imm...
Annual Border Patrol budget comes from the American Immigration Council: www.americanimmigrationcounci...
We relied on Pew’s data on the number of undocumented immigrants in the US, which also explains more on the changing nature of immigration to the US in recent years: www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...
The Migration Policy Institute has covered the issue over the years, including in this recent policy brief: www.migrationpolicy.org/resea...
Cato Institute’s Alex Nowrasteh has written about the issue, including this article on the three- and 10-year bars: www.cato.org/blog/removing-31...
Check out Vox’s past reporting on this issue to get more background:
www.vox.com/2016/4/28/1151513...
www.vox.com/policy-and-politi...
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[@joermnyc]

“If it ain’t broke, break it.” -US Government

[@AOsman1]

😂

[@KyleRuggles]

Pretty accurate!

[@jacobconcannon4677]

This is gold

[@starkingbiker]

lol, ‘muerica

[@ticklemetimbers712]

Not accurate considering the government have made the best economy in the world

[@dasau01]

A country full of immigrants calling newer immigrants "cancer" is just *chef's kiss* muuaahh

[@jimbanks206]

trump and epstein are both child beasts molesters trump had to become president to be exempt from an investigation how convenient.

[@rajashashankgutta4334]

So what? Just because their great ancestors were immigrants doesn't mean that consent of current generation doesn't matter.

[@flyingmonkeys96]

@@rajashashankgutta4334 don't bother. Anyone who takes in only vice, vox, and CNN can't understand that concept. According to them, you must suffer for the sins of your ancestors forever and you don't have any say on how to run the country your ancestors built up.

[@MrJuanmarin99]

@@rajashashankgutta4334 The real switcheroo is that if they are taking the jobs as the old lady claims, they are the ones paying the healthcare that she claim they are stealing...

[@rocaez2143]

US founder fathers and their descendants committed "Continental Genocide " of Native Americans. Hitler is just a toddler in comparison to crimes they committed to upon the native of North and South America.

[@--Fenix--]

My wife immigrated through our marriage and my take on the system is that it should be easier, not harder, to get in to the country legally. The amount of paperwork, money, interviews, tax records, and time it took to go through the proper legal channels for a green card was eye opening. It became obvious why people seek an easy option to enter the country and overstay their visa.

[@megauser8512]

Sad but true!

[@tarzan12345]

....And marriage based immigration is actually the easiest, let's imagine how hard it is to take other paths.

[@jamalcole1985]

Good luck on your marriage. Majority of divorces are filed by women , usually based on emotion .

[@jamalcole1985]

@Zeno the Filipino A fact is a fact.

[@Aexorzist]

@@talos2373 Because that doesn't give you a green card by itself? You still need to adjust your status.

[@tjfm2456]

“Somehow we’re surprised by this outcome.” Exactly my reaction. If you come to America for any reason and want to become a legal citizen, the “right” way or whatever you want to call it, we’re going to make it extremely difficult for you. If you want to leave, you won’t be able to come back. The natural reaction is to stay illegally, and their family from the country they came from are probably going to just sneak in as well so they won’t have to be separated. The fact that there’s so many undocumented immigrants then and now just proves that there’s a huge desire to come here, which is something Americans literally brag about, and that people will find a way in. Making it harder to be a legal citizen means they will simply continue to do things illegally. This applies to so many of America’s dumbest policies. *Banning something that a lot of people want or need just means they will find more dangerous ways to do it.*

[@DSan-kl2yc]

I think the U.S can decide to like turn people away, and allow them in ect. The weird part is that they made the path to citizenship more difficult. Like that actually makes no sense. It's paradoxical. They took away 3 solutions to the problem. Which leads me to believe that the solution that keeps the immigrants here is what they didn't like in the first place.

[@angelabolin1730]

We don't deport enough that why they stay. We are not enforcing our laws

[@rohiths3554]

It's easy to stop that actually

[@TheTrueOnyxRose]

That last sentence? That’s exactly what’s happening now. You name it…immigration, liquor (prohibition), abortion rights, money…if you want something bad enough, you’ll find a way to get it. Even if it means risking your life.

[@Gregorio621]

@@angelabolin1730 The video clearly says we are deporting more now than before. Did you watch it?

[@AsiniusNaso]

Every immigration issue the US has ever had was self-inflicted.

[@neeneko]

Which makes perfect sense. The architects of these laws rose to power based off public fear of immigrants coming for them. They have no incentive to 'fix' the problem, for that matter since it is mostly anxiety and moral panic there isn't much of an underlying problem TO fix, so why not go with a 'solution' that amplifies the visible aspect that people are scared.

[@umair7409]

Can you explain to me how?

[@RawDiscovery]

@@umair7409 criminalizing immigrants and making it incredibly difficult for them to become citizens. We wouldn’t have to pay billions of our taxes to deport and hold people every year. it’s a ridiculous and hideous way to combat an issue we created in the first place. there is no reason to criminalize immigrants the way we do. it’s an attack on them specifically; we don’t see immigrants treated this way in other (major) countries. we literally have children in cages and separated from their parents. that is completely inhumane and disgusting. it’s also completely unnecessary. pathways to citizenship isn’t a new concept, there are ways to go about it and they never try.

[@hcxpl1]

Well, change immigration to international relations and it pretty much still holds true

[@samuelarmstrong5862]

@@RawDiscovery we are the most generous country in the world when it comes to immigration.

[@kelcey7512]

“We are a nation of immigrants but we are also a nation of laws” hasn’t aged well

[@DPowered2]

We were never a nation of immigrants and we were never a nation of laws

[@vinny9868]

It has never been a good statement.

[@tacticalfall4505]

Said by the same guy who tried to get people to lie under oath

[@themanwiththeplan1401]

@@DPowered2 America was always a nation of immigrants, 7 out of 39 founding fathers were first-generation immigrants, including Hamilton. Also from 1890 to 1910 around 15% of the population was immigrants. Also if you think about it in the long-term, all the white, African-American, Asian and most of the hispanic people are descended from immigrants.

[@Student0Toucher]

@@themanwiththeplan1401 That somehow means we should allow mass illegal immigration?

[@nicolenice1863]

When I was a kid I'd always hear fox news talking about illegal aliens and I thought we found life on other planets.

[@shellbeebo]

This made my day Nicole, thank you

[@a.h.s.3006]

Children's life was simple.

[@Angel-ip7pw]

When I was around 10 and Trump was ruining for office, I agreed that we should build a wall because I thought it was cool and we could have it go around they entire continental United states just to intimidate the other nations I didnt realize it was to keep Mexicans out.

[@alextait8255]

@@Angel-ip7pw its to keep illegal immigrants out not just “mexicans”

[@Kathakathan11]

Aliens is a political term for people who aren’t citizens

[@zainmudassir2964]

People seem to forget Bill Clinton was very conservative on many issues like immigration,death penalty,drug war,border wall etc. to win over Republican voters. Reagan greatly moved US politics to the right and it's legacy still exists.

[@jusletursoulglobaby]

@Yoo Wat explain this. how exactly was it the most peaceful period? or prosperous?

[@Knightmessenger]

Reagan was anti immigrant? Didn't he give a speech during a league of women voters primary debate where he said "open the borders both ways." ?

[@jusletursoulglobaby]

@Yoo Wat conversely, his policies had a direct hand in creating the ails we are dealing with today: trade issues/outsourcing, mass incarceration started with his crime bill, dont ask dont, welfare reform/inequality.

[@jusletursoulglobaby]

@Yoo Wat the policies that create the issue is the cause. not the people who allowed the issue to worsen. also I'm pretty sure by the end of year 2, definitely year 4 the impact of many of these programs were known.

[@GK-op4oc]

"People seem to forget Bill Clinton was very conservative on many issues like immigration" Really ? Massive legal immigration doubled from 500K/year to 1 million/year during the Clinton administration

[@tjr4459]

My aunt petitioned for my father back in 1988. The green card didn’t come through until 2002, 14 years later. I was a kid then so that automatically gave me a green card as well. I’m now a citizen. Many don’t realize how lengthy the process is.

[@gteixeira]

You got the easy way. Most people wouldn't get one even in one hundred years.

[@cashewnuttel9054]

Then choose Canada. They need immigrants there and they are more welcoming too.

[@gteixeira]

@@cashewnuttel9054 Already tried. They don't care either. If it is to go through all the paperwork, then do the extra paperwork to go to the US that the benefits are better.

[@beluwuga2229]

Took 11 years for my parent

[@BasicLib]

@@cashewnuttel9054 You are aware this isn't true right ? As an Immigrant from west Africa who tried both. I have no Idea why people think this.

[@arun279]

Even if you do everything “right” and migrate legally, the wait to get a permanent resident status is laughably long for some nationalities.

[@geraldhirsch8421]

The system is designed to avoid over-flooding.

[@arun279]

@@geraldhirsch8421 depends on how you define overflooding. If it's processing time then it's also a function of how well staffed and funded USCIS is. Also, there's some value in thinking about whether or not the current system is effective at preventing "overflooding" while fulfilling the objectives of the immigration system.

[@50jakecs]

@@geraldhirsch8421 It wasn't about over-flooding, it was about compromising with anti-immigrant politicians who didn't even want the immigrants from certain countries (like Mexico, India and the Philippines).

[@icemike1]

@@50jakecs wayyy too late

[@altrag]

@@geraldhirsch8421 No its not. The system is designed to keep brown people out. And it doesn't even do that particularly well.

[@tammyleung7578]

I remeber seeing a documentary about a guy who was adopted by an American family and move to USA when he was 6 months old. That guy got deported to South Korea (his birthplace) 40 years later because of issues with the adoption process. He could not speak Korean and knew nearly nothing about Korea! He had to leave his wife and daughter in USA.

[@bangbangtangahwei]

I dont understand his case. Hid wife could sponsor his greencard

[@Default78334]

The issue is that he was adopted prior to the Child Citizenship Act of 2000 which automatically grants citizenship to the adopted children of US parents. Since neither his parents nor himself had ever bothered to go through the process of applying for his US citizenship, he was still under permanent resident status (i.e. had a green card) and was deported as an adult due to some petty crime issues from his younger years.

[@thetruthandnothingbutthetr6484]

He should’ve took them with him

[@smrk2452]

I saw that too

[@Mrpotato-gs2ur]

His name is Adam crasper, Now he live in Mexico and he have second wife now who similar to adopte korea deported to Korea same a Adam crasper case. His first wife only visit to him when he deported to Korea after 3 months, but after a year She married to another Vietnam guy in US. So he decide to move on and he found the second wife in Korea same as his life who deported to Korea but can't speak Korea. And now him and his second wife live in Mexico.

[@squigglyblue7377]

The 3 and 10 year bars might as well be lifetime bars because you're never getting a visa of any kind after overstaying (unless you marry a US citizen and get a waiver). In fact, the issuance of visas is entirely up to the discretion of the consulate. If you're from a poor country, don't have enough money, have a girlfriend in the US, or they just don't like you then you'll never get a visa. Have a US citizen brother? Congratulations! Have him sponsor you and you'll have your visa in 15-20 years (Check Visa Bulletin. For Mexicans F4 they are processing applications filed April 22nd 1999). Employment based sponsorship is extremely difficult and if you were born in India or China then you have no path to permanent residence. My wife's friends (who are husband and wife) both got their doctorates at US universities. They had been studying in the US for over 10 years and yet they didn't get lucky with the H1B lottery. They are now in Canada because the US immigration system decided that we don't need doctors.

[@mountaingalhomemaker4179]

good they should be lifetime bars they broke the law

[@dylanmanka3941]

@UCYpwfPbPWYfVqHoyjtjP8nQ How about no, let me guess, you love bill Clinton and his crime bill? The law is not the authority for morality.

[@beingcool9639]

Yeah my dad was thankfully able to get an employer to sponsor his job back in the 90's during the dot com bubble which got him a green card. It became much harder a few years later, and many of his friends who had doctorates had to leave too.

[@fightsports66]

@@mountaingalhomemaker4179 I did not see anywhere in the comment that they broke the law. If they were here going through medical school then they were here on student visas.

[@mountaingalhomemaker4179]

@@fightsports66 overstaying your visa is still breaking the law

[@Simon-tc1mc]

Literally everyone in the US who wasn't a white English protestant was at one point discriminated against in this country. So it's just infuriating people who are anti immigrant when it's likely their grandparents were discriminated against too.

[@balghar493]

@Jen lol my Italian ancestors were not even consider white when they came here. The US is one of the most racist country ever

[@hithere5150]

@Jen lol, tell that to the legal asians in ww2

[@rocaez2143]

@@hithere5150 You're right. US government arrested Asians and kept in Camps during WW2..... just like Hitler did in Europe.

[@cristianvillanueva8782]

@@rocaez2143 not like what hitler did bud....... Those camps were more like what we did to the Philippinos during the Spanish American War

[@cancerino666]

@Jen Tipycal "oh I haven't seen racism so it must not exist!"

[@ivantothemax]

It took 30+ years for my parents to find a path to citizenship in the US. It’s was an issue that has torn our family apart and emotionally has left every single member drained, frustrated, confused and with no hope. Smh

[@sharabeshj1177]

well u can live peacefully in ur own country instead of being an immigrant afraid to be deported any minute

[@thesadwalrus6599]

Lol

[@maribelsolano8344]

@@sharabeshj1177 not everyone is born into a situation that allows them to exist peacefully. The sacrifices that are made when these decisions take place are never taken lightly. Individuals will give up families, homes, and yes will even live in fear every moment for even a chance to work towards something better. If you can’t “live peacefully in ur own country” you will do what is necessary to reach for something, anything, that could be better.

[@deadhandtcg]

@@sharabeshj1177 how you going to explain that to a kid who's parents already came here illegally, but was raised their entire life in the US? Ever heard of DACA

[@elijahhan7149]

@@deadhandtcg explanation: your parents exploited a legal loophole within the system with it ending in your birth as an American citizen. Your dreamer status is legal but your parents have broken the law nonetheless, regardless of what struggle they went through. Either the entire family must go, or the parents only. The law isn’t supposed to be compassionate above all else.

[@gracieallen8285]

You can blame Reagan for the Southern border immigration, Reagan stopped enforcing the laws that held employer’s responsible for hiring illegal immigrants.

[@francescadamore6746]

And the amnesty

[@johnjones-yt8rt]

I personally think he tried to create a second class population for the benefit of companies. A way to exploit labor from people that had no rights as citizens.

[@Praisethesunson]

Well duh. That's great for profits. It is super easy to keep chicken chopping plants free from safety and health standards when the people doing the work can't report anything without risking deportation.

[@AliciaGuitar]

​@@Praisethesunson *cough* TYSON!

[@JayTray.43]

How does that woman who called immigrants cancer cells think native Americans feel Edit wow thanks for all the likes

[@bradleynoneofyourbizz5341]

She's never thought of anyone but herself her entire life.

[@gingergranttech]

Native who ?

[@shanicejohnson8498]

Who cares what the Indians think?

[@JayTray.43]

@@shanicejohnson8498 me cause this land was stolen from them

[@magicmagus1459]

@@JayTray.43 It was those people that built America to what it is today. When native americans where living in America, it wasnt a superpower, Britain was. The immigrants from Europe made it a superpower. Now because of woke people like u in the comments, it is on the decline. Just because ur woke doesnt mean u r right. Those immigrants made America great and was the reason it became the most powerful country. But after randomly importing people without proper checks, we can clearly see the decline. Look at all the homelessness in Cali.

[@ComicalRealm]

"Immigration is the sincerest form of flattery" - Batman

[@ahmadhalabiah3714]

what moves was that?

[@sanjayraju988]

What Movie, Cartoon or Comic was that?

[@AdhiHargo]

Where's that from?

[@idiosyncraticlawyer3400]

clerk

[@Julia-vn8wz]

@@ahmadhalabiah3714 the Lego movie! Said by Lego Batman

[@erbderbs]

Just follow the money. If they're documented then they are entitled to minimum wage, they can vote, they can sue their employer for unpaid wages or injuries, etc. If they remain undocumented then they are at the mercy of their employer.

[@nromk]

That's too much work and big business are very good at talking adventage of state laws to exploit workers in general. The real money is in votes, this is all the immigration debate is about, getting votes and the media played right into the hands of the republicans not just with immigration but with crime and taxes through superpacs that had lots of money to throw at the media for commercials and opinion segments.

[@megauser8512]

Sad but true!

[@MrMuttly55]

A green card doesn't entitle a person to vote

[@angelabolin1730]

Biden is pushing to legalize them all. The supermarket cheap fruit and veggies argument goes out the window if that passes.

[@cerebraldreams4738]

@@angelabolin1730 - Assuming corrupt businessmen don't just bring in more immigrants to keep wages low and rent high. When there are too many workers and not enough jobs, wages stay low, and they tend to decline over time. When there are too many tenants and not enough rental houses, rental prices go higher even if it means more than 50% of your income is spent on not being homeless.

[@salmasantos7308]

My mother came in the us with my dad in 99. My dad had his us citizenship in 08 due to his job. But it took my mom 17 years just to get a green card. The process of it’s long and there are immigration lawyers who are good and bad. The lawyer that my mom got only took the money and said wait till the law was change. My mom case was approve in 2005 she didn’t know till 2016. We have to fix the system and the people within it

[@abdullokhkhojimurodoff597]

Lol

[@nobodyatallvallejo3672]

This is why people who say "there's a right way to come to this country..." don't know what the eff they're talking about.

[@Litaloadeon]

Take a hint

[@francescadamore6746]

Just because you want them to come doesn’t mean that they should be allowed

[@mirai2685]

It is about 450k USD.

[@TheNicolocomd]

The problem is that before the ‘96 law an undocumented worker could leave and apply for legal status and then return and exercise their lawful rights. Prohibiting that meant corporations could ensure poverty exploitative wages and conditions over fear of deportation for speaking up.

[@megauser8512]

Sad but true!

[@desertstar7664]

This is why I am tired of saving over and over again. Immigration system is not broken, it is corrupted. Politicians corrupted the system, so big corporation can profit from Employment based system.

[@bonniej2609]

The "1996 LAW"--- WASNT CRAFTED IN 1996😣 YOU CAN THANK OL' TRICKY BILL (sleeping with Interns)- JUST LIKE THE HOUSING MARKET CRASH!!!

[@karlheinzvonkroemann2217]

This country has a hideous regime in powere - both Parties are terrible and only work for the 1%.

[@TheNativeTwo]

"corporations could ensure poverty exploitative wages"... says a person who has no idea what he is talking about. Corporations don't employ illegal immigrants. It's mostly farmers and other small businesses. Exploitative wages... No they get paid more than you would imagine. More than minimum wage. They do pretty well. That doesn't mean they aren't exploited, but exploitation doesn't happen the way you think. They can't get approved for rentals, so they end up paying huge prices for rent at places that will accept them. There is no record that they worked... So people will just promise to pay, and then not. Also bathrooms, water, meals, breaks, etc., they can have limited access to during the work day. Yes they can be exploited, but no it isn't corporations. You must be some kinda anti-capitalist looking for a reason to exist...

[@ReclusiveEagle]

Americans: "Immigrants take our jobs housing and healthcare" *Immigrants who work 3 $5 an hour jobs and can't afford healthcare and live in borderline slums* 👁️👄👁️

[@vinny9868]

Immigrants "take jobs" because of greedy rich people who would rather pay immigrants pocket change than to be obligated to give educated americans tripple the amount and healthcare.

[@steve1978ger]

... and then get attacked, humiliated and exploited for living in borderline slums. Certain people were sad they couldn't have slaves anymore, so they created this.

[@icebreaker9995]

What kind of immigrants work for 5 bucks an hour that’s illegal most illegal immigrants I know do pretty well

[@Student0Toucher]

@@steve1978ger Yeah compton looks like the slums totally 😂😂👌lol America doesn’t have slums only in the south in black neighborhoods

[@leosunaquamoon]

@@ardentenv Indians are usually skilled workers.

[@ImYourAverageJoe]

The fact that people that these laws don’t affect are deeply concerned and advocating for better laws makes me happy. Thank you!

[@Mobeku]

Interesting how I can learn this from a 5 min video but politicians still somehow don’t understand

[@jasperdale8239]

Now it takes 10 years or more to approved family petition. Still waiting here in philippines hahaha 🤣

[@Stellar_Insights_]

@@julm7744 would love to❤️

[@chrispychip6569]

@@julm7744 lol there’s a reason Canada is peoples second choice

[@AJ-jx5gm]

yep 10+ years sounds right. Not just for phillipines.

[@zanderw2129]

I hope you make it!

[@aeanp3113]

pinoy haha

[@chelseapanp]

How in the world is IIRIRA pronounced as "ira-ira"?

[@randominternetuser4300]

because no one wants to say "eer-ira"

[@undr_guv_surv]

Sounds and looks like Irish IRA

[@lifeisawesome1391]

I'm glad someone is asking the important questions

[@candideggplant1575]

Convenience, practicality, sounds good and easy to pronounce

[@beaurenov]

Looks more like "eye-eerie-rah

[@ItchyKneeSon]

The 'old' immigration law appears to be similar to the options available for obtaining permanent residence in Japan. It IS a little more difficult to immigrate there physically, though, being that it's an island country.

[@shohj6600]

As a permanent resident of Japan, I can confirm that. 17 years. Bruh

[@ItchyKneeSon]

@@shohj6600 Werd. I obtained mine in 2017, after 7 years. Then came the grueling process of obtaining permanent residence for my wife in the US.

[@shohj6600]

@@ItchyKneeSon they make it so hard. Even tho they are in desperate m

[@moron0000]

It's funny because the word "Ira" in spanish means rage, so when spanish speaking people heard about the act being passed for the first time, they heard it as the "RageRage act" (?

[@AliciaGuitar]

Not sure what you mean... rage is Spanish is "furia", and "ira" would be pronounced "eerah" anyway

[@moron0000]

@@AliciaGuitar they mean the exact same thing.

[@Hey_Bharadwaj]

If you have not understood the meaning of the word "irony", @00:33 there is an old woman calling immigrants "cancer", while dressed as the Statue of Liberty! P.S. “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

[@pagingdrbitchcraft]

THIS!

[@WilliamAndrea]

Also, I'm not sure if it's ironic or what you'd call it, but cancer cells don't come from outside; the host's cells become cancerous.

[@santiagosuarez3584]

Clearly that woman didn't know the meaning of that statue lol

[@babagandu]

India

[@sylviewalker7560]

Return the Statue of liberty to France. Both Statutes...

[@frigginjerk]

It's funny how often the "tough" response to a problem makes that problem worse. ...But it makes the tough guy feel better, so I guess it's worth it?

[@altrag]

Its an issue of how "tough" tends to be defined in the US. In particular, "tough" means acting fast and "boldly", which in turn tends to translate into a combination of "don't think too hard just do it" and "immediately lambast anyone who raises concerns as being weak on the issue". No thought put in and no outside thought accepted. Just bulldoze through and let the next guy deal with the fallout.

[@Angela-ul9fm]

Reminds me of the disastrous War on Drugs

[@hypothalapotamus5293]

When I hear "tough" in a policy decision, I think cruelty for cruelty's sake with an often detrimental policy outcome. Tough on drugs: Excessive punishment of drug users creates an underclass of people who cannot make money through legitimate means--> More people to sell drugs. Tough on immigrants... Well... That's what this video is about. "Zero tolerance policy" = punishment inflicted without any sense of justice.

[@jeffersonclippership2588]

@@hypothalapotamus5293 America is a cruel country. We could give all illegal immigrants citizenship, we could give every citizen access to healthcare, housing, and education. We choose not to. We value the ability of the rich to become richer more.

[@megauser8512]

No, sadly it is NOT worth it!

[@Crimson19977]

Why can’t they improve life in their own countries

[@Cyrus992]

Forgot to speak about NAFTA, 86 amnesty, birthright citizenship and politicians pandering to non citizens

[@SA-vl9dr]

" The idea that , if we only had more guns , if we only built a higher wall, that would solve all the problems , that's not the way it works . "

[@SP95]

Plot twist, the wall was not large enough. 🛶🛶🛶

[@jimbanks206]

trump and epstein are both child beasts molesters trump had to become president to be exempt from an investigation how convenient.

[@TheDanzau]

@YourNatureBoy27 yep... go ask brexiters how it's going.

[@bradavon]

@@SP95 plot twist they made a longer rope.

[@bradavon]

Plot twist there is no other developed nation that has anywhere close to the mass shootings the US has and Americans think the rest of the world are the odd ones.

[@rodrigoscustodio]

The video is great and 100% accurate, but is just 10% of a full documentary you guys can produce because you showed the direct impact of Clinton's Act, but the real consequence goes beyond that. How can I collaborate with the channel on this topic? We need a Part II, Part III, or a full Netflix doc to explain this (very complex) subject to the avg. Americans who don't understand immigration. Most people support reform, but they are not being told the whole truth by their representatives.

[@PHlophe]

chico, you need to upload a video on this , we'll follow .

[@Dk4KOfficial]

You can create a video on your own. Let me know you need any help in video editing and animation.

[@rodrigoscustodio]

@@camilo54100 Before Clinton, even if you overstay or crossed the border, you could apply to adjust your status through the 3 main streams: Marriege / Employment / Direct Relatives. AFTER Clinton, if you overstay you can only use 1 stream: Marriege. So they usually thinks: Okay, if I leave, I will have to pay 10 years. So.... I am staying... // then the numbers of immigrants STAYING grew out of control because there's no way to avoid the 10-year bar. THEN, Obama came with the Provisional Waiver, which gives you the chance of a waiver to avoid the 3 and 10 years penalty... but you need a case.

[@HarvestMoon2049]

Representatives want to keep it that way. They're in the pockets of agriculture, hospitality, food, etc. - so many industries that would NEVER make their huge profits without illegal workers.

[@bobloblaw10001]

This short video should have made time to mention NAFTA, which was a huge driver of immigration from Mexico as agricultural subsidies were phased out and laborers fled north.

[@smartinez60]

If only the native Americans had immigration laws; Im sure the Europeans would have respected them.

[@katme7119]

What a beautiful comment!

[@francescadamore6746]

Why do you say that? And what’s your point? Natives don’t want more immigrants because they are out numbering us I’m Iroquois btw.

[@ori1676]

@@francescadamore6746 if you are not Native American you ain't indigenous to this land. your ancestors were ilegall immigrants as well ( from Europe) you stole your country from the natives and now you people are crying that someone else do the same thing lol. I'm glad to know that people of color are becoming the majority in the U.S.. because this is justice!

[@fastertrackcreative]

Possible they had laws, I doubt it would make any difference

[@shawnchristopher6993]

The only reason Europeans came to America was to find a new route to Asia because the ottoman empire blocked the other way

[@rparva]

My wife missed to notice that her I94 expiry was shortened before her passport was expiring. She got a valid Visa until 2022. She is 30 weeks pregnant with our second child right now and our application with nunc pro tunc got denied. It feels inhumane and unreasonable. Been living here for 10 years, married, kids and now she is banned for 10 years. It's devastating for us and the stress my wife is going through during her third trimester is unimaginable. She can't even leave the country at this time. We are it's our fault to miss it but the consequences are horrifying.

[@siu281]

That's sad to hear man. Where will you send her if she gets deported?

[@GK-op4oc]

"My wife missed to notice that her I94 expiry was shortened before " Surely, a decent life is possible outside of White Western nations

[@stevekru6518]

If you are either a citizen or eligible for US citizenship, then the 10 year bar does not apply if your spouse adjusts status to lawful permanent resident (AKA immigrant) in the US. If she must leave the US then check out a I601A waiver. Run, don’t walk, to an immigration lawyer. Your post is five months old, so congratulations on your baby

[@GK-op4oc]

@@stevekru6518 The problem is caused by the husband. He is free to leave the USA and return to his homeland to join his wife and newborn but chooses to blame the USA for his "horrifying" experiences

[@ssun190]

Tough on illegal immigration laws > More illegal immigrants > anti-immigration crowd freaks out more > elects tougher on immigration politicians. Seems pretty brilliant political move to me.

[@altrag]

Except none of the "tougher on immigration" politicians have really been all that much tougher on immigration. Trump tried but unfortunately his only definition of "tougher" is "be horribly inhumane". He didn't actually accomplish anything (leaving office with a worse immigration record than Obama), but he did manage to make the whole world sick to their stomachs when we discovered his "tougher on immigration" policy amounted to little more than doing the same thing as his predecessors but with kidnapping and child abuse.

[@ssun190]

@@altrag Exactly. If you solve a problem then who needs you in the future? It's better to not solve anything but just act like you're working extra hard at a "solution." That way, all you need to do is run on the same platform 4 years from now instead of having to come up with something new you stand for. "Better" doesn't mean better for everyone. "Better" here only means better for the personal cynical gain of the politician.

[@hypothalapotamus5293]

It's basically the public policy equivalent of heroin.

[@yoface938]

Rarity/scarcity principle, make something hard to get > it’s value goes up > people want it more > more people will get involved with it as a commodity wither they are actually interested or not.

[@MarcoGonzalez-ph2pw]

@@matthewfoldenauer4054 it’s not the same when you’re coming from a third world country.

[@lordsiomai]

So, it's not that the immigrants are poor or etc., it's because there is simply no easy legal way. Well made video guys!

[@stevenroshni1228]

Step one to immigrating legally: don't be poor.

[@pupster8956]

Well it depends. If you live in a country in Europe, are wealthy, and look nice then yes it is very simple but still a bit hard to come into the USA. But if you don't live in a wealthy country, aren't wealthy, and are likely to be killed if you don't leave soon then you won't be let in at all

[@terryzhu4028]

So it's like video game piracy

[@blaze14ZX]

When I was growing up in the 90s I didn't hear much about immigration, now I know why it's so different from back then. It's not shocking that this had the opposite effect. It's just like during prohibition and alcohol consumption shot up.

[@itsmuamanny2633]

Loved the video!! I would love to see more videos covering this topic.

[@nakuls.e1051]

Why doesn't vox cover the struggles of legal immigration too? The green card backlog that disproportionately hurts indian immigrants and the 100k green cards that will be wasted this year despite a huge backlog.

[@nathankoon7749]

because they're not white. duh.

[@internetperson9813]

Yeah, even if you do immigrate legally your life is just as broken.

[@samuelarmstrong5862]

1 million immigrants per year, no other country has as much. I guess Turkey should just let every Syrian in immediately because some people don’t get in for a long time.

[@ericktellez7632]

@@samuelarmstrong5862 And that number should be higher, a larger population is good for the economy especially if its immigrants because in average they tend to be much more industrious than other people. If someone is willing to take the risk of moving into another country the % of them starting businesses and not being deterred by failure is higher than regular citizens and people from their country that do not migrate.

[@theCosmicQueen]

we do not need mass immigration. backlogs are because we have to slow it down, the demand is so huge.

[@Gamerblam]

You can’t really stop immigration without going to the roots of the problem. A. Naturally people are gonna move to a better place, more opportunities, better pay, better living conditions, etc. B. People tend to leave places that are worse off, IE The Syrian civil war. So the best way is to make those places better off and more stable. C. If you make something harder to get, that won’t stop people, look at drugs and prohibition of alcohol, there’s always a way to get it.

[@gamingwithxan1430]

But, since when the immigration to that region(Island far from Afroeurasia) became popular?

[@CrowTR0bot]

It also might pay to stop doing things that make immigration desirable in the first place, like maybe we should stop overthrowing Latin-American governments and replacing them with violent regimes just because they're friendlier to our business interests. If we did that, maybe wouldbe immigrants would be inclined to stay in their home countries.

[@SpidermanUndercover]

Don’t worry. Actual American citizens like me, are going to move out of this disgusting country and it’ll make room for immigrants.

[@SpidermanUndercover]

@The boys upstairs. also depends if your occupation is there. That makes it easier.

[@SpidermanUndercover]

@The boys upstairs. haven’t decided yet. But we’ll see.

[@rdg8390]

Central America has grown the population 5 fold since 1950. It is 2 fold for the USA and 3 fold for Canada and South America. If every country expects to meet the Global Warming Challenge, population growth has to decline, not increase. This raises the value of immigration. Immigration across the globe, accelerates population growth. America has yet to have a hard debate with itself about what is really required to reduce it's carbon emissions. Immigration , family size, minimum marriage age should be part of the climate debate. They don't even make it onto the table at the COP meetings.

[@balleraap007]

Because it’s a scam

[@camrenmugabe3062]

​@@balleraap007No you just don't understand how global warming works.

[@MrHarryc727]

If you dont like the rule vote if your not legal you can't vote. In Japan if your an immigrant you are forced to earn minimum wage. You don't have a right to tell us how our country should be.

[@blackmesa232323]

I was privileged my family was well off enough to come to the US legally. My heart aches for those who can't.

[@nikhilhadbe271]

@matt bardot he thinks America is safe I guess lol

[@Islam.is.the.truth..]

@matt bardot you sound like someone who’s never traveled the world. EVERYONE wants to come to America

[@pasdpasse439]

@@Islam.is.the.truth.. except for other rich countries

[@Islam.is.the.truth..]

@@pasdpasse439 yep that’s true. I was talking about the developing countries

[@deico4204]

@matt bardot Where did he say that? This video is about people who want to migrate to the US so he uses the country as reference. Is English your first language?

[@davidmedina8136]

Also, when people say there’s a right way to immigrate, they usually don’t know what that process actually entails. It’s a bureaucratic nightmare to get legal status via the very few and restrictive ways described in the video, but it is truly next to impossible for someone with no previous ties to the US to immigrate lawfully, there really is no other way for many people. I’m not saying they should totally unrestrict immigration, but it’s an issue far more complex than just saying “Why don’t they just come legally?”.

[@freeatlast3752]

Like me , actually there was no legal way to immigrate anywhere from my country ! I had no family tie anywhere and now that I have been here for 16 years , have a job ,home , paid taxes ,, gone to school , learned the language still no way to became legal .It was and still is impossible and yet old people keep coming and directly placed under taxpayers care , people that haven't worked a day in here .

[@awesomenessrf1]

How about they don't come at all. That would much better

[@balleraap007]

My parents came here legally f anyone who tries to do it illegally

[@hopefully2224]

So go to a different country. Problem solved.

[@user-dt9jo8ho2q]

​@@balleraap007Teslas that yall are driving and Google yall are using to search other racist forum threads were created and are sustained because of immigrants. Think about it next time, fella The US economy would collapse ten times in a year if immigrant people stopped working. Keep typing "Deport them all" if you think that you can go to any construction and not see hispanic immigrants working. It warms my heart that most of the big rich cities are democratic and filled with people willing to accept those who are working hard and not wasting time blaming others. Serves as a great example of why people need to adapt, improve and turn the possible problem into a profit

[@ianwinkler5562]

As I read somewhere, "growing up means not wanting to move to the United States anymore."

[@fernandorivas7145]

Until you realize how lucky you are to live in a first world country.

[@theCosmicQueen]

i wish they would all grow up! we need to pop thier america mythology bubble, it is all such a huge lie and getting worse all the time. especially since we are over crowded now with all the mass immigration.

[@6vin9]

@@fernandorivas7145 * gets shot in the hood *

[@philmstud2k]

Really wish they would make more of a distinction between LEGAL immigrants and ILLEGAL immigrants with pieces like this, not just lump everything together.

[@evandonovan9239]

Their term for what others would call illegal immigrants is undocumented immigrants. It reflects a political division. Liberals and the left use the term undocumented, not illegal. But they *are* making a distinction, since they referred to them as undocumented.

[@evandonovan9239]

@Madlum Sibul I'm not saying the terminology is right, just explaining it

[@abrahamlincoln8037]

We literally need more of these videos

[@vertexedgeface3141]

We metaphorically need more of these videos

[@EricRamz]

We figuratively require a higher quantities of these filmic productions

[@leepic9091]

Though I love the video, I think it overlooks the situation in Mexico on the same timeline.

[@annoloki]

Yep, like the destruction caused by NAFTA

[@perthdude21]

Also, not all undocumented immigrants who came through the US-Mexico border have been/are Mexicans. Perhaps the situation in other countries south of the US could also be looked at.

[@slavesforging5361]

agreed. but the video serves its purpose as being informative for americans that are completely clueless to how immigration works in their country. as an introduction, it's pretty great.

[@rickl.7084]

Exporting our manufacturing and importing substandard goods destroyed our economy and our jobs. Fewer jobs mean more defensive against immigrants. If we had to produce everything ourselves in country we would be scrambling for more people and more money would stay within the country.

[@theshooterakayoungchinmr4860]

This is the same law that got me deported I was a green card holder and they violated my rites because I was considered a dreamer a person who came with a parent under the age of 5 but I will be take them to court in time cause my mother is a citizen now but its killing her and its hurting me so one day yall will be interviewing me and that's on god

[@RollerBladingSuxs]

You won’t be on this soil ever again.

[@FinancialShinanigan]

Wonder how Native Americans felt when the first immigrants came.

[@samuelarmstrong5862]

Probably how deer felt when they saw native Americans crossing the Bering strait

[@SamSam-jm8qq]

@@samuelarmstrong5862 ,

[@Cyrus992]

What about the non Europeans coming to Europe?

[@Julia-lk8jn]

In quite a lot of cases: dead. though to be fair: some of those deaths weren't on purpose, just unintentioned biological warfare.

[@Julia-lk8jn]

@@Cyrus992 Unless I've been fantastically bad informed: quite a lot of them didn't come, they _were_ come. Anyways: what's your point?

[@InterAliaBonafide]

I saw Douglas Massey engage in a round table discussion at the KQED studios back in 2019. Awesome guy and so kind.

[@murdelabop]

The word "counterproductive" comes prominently to mind.

[@emmanuelgoldstein3682]

Not enough deportation

[@Chris-fh8hb]

Everyone can complain but the fact of the matter is we can hardly support our own people here, homelessness is on the rise and the gap between lower/middle class and upper class is increasing, I don’t know why people focus so much on our immigration policy When in just about any country you can’t just up and walk in without being deported as well

[@sonicluffypucca96]

Get ready for 80 million homeless and eight lane highways to pollute and destroy the environment

[@CrowTR0bot]

It's interesting that the people who justify turning away immigrants because "we have our own homeless" tend to not be interested in helping our own homeless either.

[@newt803]

You guys are so kind with all the important informations you bring..😁👌

[@kemardudley156]

Wow, I’m surprised this bill has never been brought up in the media nor the public and politicians calling for its terms to be changed. I wonder why that solution was never brought up during the wall debate?

[@ibrahimihsan2090]

Emotion, a genuine lack of education regarding the politicians, psychological manipulation and a desire to go reactionary mode. Some of these people from both sides want the government and nothing else, not even a better country.

[@JK_JK_JK]

What is an "undocumented immigrant"? This term does not appear in any US law. Does this refer to the legally correct term "unlawfully present alien"?

[@jennyneon]

I feel like I'm becoming smarter when I'm watching Vox videos. They're so well-edited.

[@ahmadhalabiah3714]

I hold a master's degree in applied medical

[@AirQuotes]

And written and edited.

[@jimbanks206]

meanwhile trump and epstein are both child beasts molesters trump had to become president to be exempt from an investigation how convenient. its real search it the more people mention it the more trump acts up to post pone any investigation into himself and little kids.

[@zerocool5395]

@@jimbanks206 Tell me you're obsessed with Trump without telling me you're obsessed with Trump...

[@theawsomnessdude]

@@zerocool5395 its a bot, I've seen it's comment multiple times now.

[@dayviduh]

So many mistakes in this country because we chose emotional solutions to make us feel safe, rather than good, sound policy that actually addresses the issue

[@50jakecs]

Didn't you know feelings are facts?

[@megauser8512]

@@50jakecs Nope!

[@daveharrison84]

If politicians don't appeal to the people's fear, anger, greed and resentment then they won't win elections.

[@GK-op4oc]

"So many mistakes in this country" The 1965 Hart-Cellar Act was the greatest mistake of the USA

[@jonelsiervo9455]

@@GK-op4oc*laughs in Kansas-Nebraska Act*

[@skqproduction2497]

There's no way we can tell who has been here twenty-six years and who just got here. There's so much dishonesty.

[@nodirabdullayev9303]

Native Americans are in shock after wartching this video. They would be like: “You guys have laws for immigration?! 😂 “

[@MM-mj2gw]

Hahahaha 😂

[@francescadamore6746]

As a native I can assure you that we aren’t

[@nobody-789]

I never understood why people migrate to America, isn't it very expensive to live there? Why go to a place where you're not welcomed 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@PocketInfinite]

Salaries in America for skilled people are higher than anyone else, even after accounting for higher costs.

[@CrowTR0bot]

Because the place you're escaping from is even worse than the place where you're not welcome. Chuds don't seem to understand just how awful the countries these people are fleeing from are, and especially don't seem to understand that we helped make those countries that awful in the first place.

[@wtfdidijustwatch1017]

@@PocketInfinite So these complain of us capitalist greed but want money themselves, very interesting

[@dc2guy2]

Republicans: "If you don't like it here, then leave!" Also Republicans: "If you actually want to come here...don't." So basically, they want everyone who doesn't look and think like them to get out and stay out. Edit: typo

[@jonah8127]

Democrats: "You'll be welcomed with open arms!" Also Democrats: "Do not come, do not come"

[@drianb2989]

This is more like "If you want to come here then do so properly."

[@dc2guy2]

@@drianb2989 did...did you watch the video?

[@pricerobottheiv6424]

@@drianb2989 It’s nearly impossible to come here properly though…. I don’t think you actually watched the video. Not to mention IRAIRA increased illegal immigration. Those kinds of policies don’t actually work. Edit: Which you would know,….. if you watched the video..

[@drianb2989]

@@pricerobottheiv6424 That doesn't excuse breaking the law.

[@karlostj4683]

Law of Unintended Consequences. It's almost like the people (aka, Congressional staffers working with lobbyists) writing the Congressional Bills don't bother thinking beyond the day the Bill becomes a Law.

[@makalism]

You guys are conflating illegal immigration and legal immigration again

[@angelantayhua3096]

Which part?

[@nylens471]

@@angelantayhua3096the whole video is statistically incorrect.. I wouldn’t be surprised if china or Russia funds vox to brainwash those that can’t do simple critical thinking and research.

[@rachelle2227]

Not only is it broken, it is far less efficent. My husband immigrated to the US from England due to marrying me. It took ages for him to be approved, 14 months after filing, and he is supposed to have his restrictions removed as a permanent resident. He has been living here for four years as a permanent resident with restrictions. It's not supposed to take long after he had his biometrics appointment to get an interview or have it waved. It has been a month. It will probably take a lot longer to become a citizen too. We literally paid thousands of dollars and fet the worst service. Yet these immigration offices, USCIS, are understaffed (there's a hiring freeze).

[@reginamarck4508]

I’m sure the immigration laws have an impact on immigrants staying longer in the US, but this seems to ignore any effect that Mexico’s economy has as well. Isn’t there a chance that declining living conditions in Central America also drive undocumented workers to stay? It just seems like an oversight to not address that at all.

[@Nippleless_Cage]

Yes, which in turn is related to US foreign policy in Central America (think Monroe Doctrine).

[@DockingFreidmanRecords]

Another factor of course 💯

[@groundtofu4238]

To answer your question no. This issue started way before IIRIRA manifesting around the 1950s and 1960s. Immigration from the southern border wasn't illegal at the time, mostly because American business owners lobbied against politicians trying to stop immigration from Mexico. Mexicans reliably came, worked for cheap(but better than what they would make at home) and then went back down to Mexico for the rest of the year because they liked Mexico better and more importantly Mexico was their home. So many people were finding job opportunities in the U.S. and the border was so open, evidently, millions of Mexican nationals were going back and forth. That was until the law changed and suddenly only 20,000 people were allowed to cross legally(INA 1965). INA of 1965 caused the first boom in illegal immigration because when you have a border passing in millions of people and suddenly you're saying only 20,000 can come *legally*, the people who need to cross are still going to cross but they're not gonna wait years to get a visa approved. This was the first time historically we saw Mexican nationals were staying in the U.S. but it got much worse with IIRIRA. IIRIRA compounded on the ramifications of th INA of 1965 because suddenly being an illegal immigrant was a way bigger deal. Deportations became more frequent, borders were enforced, ethnic neighborhoods were targeted, employing an illegal immigrant became illegal etc. Mexicans didn't cross back to Mexico because they knew if they did they likely wouldn't be able to re-enter the U.S. Instead, they stayed, had kids developed families and if it's of testament to show much much they still had allegiance or preference to Mexico those second and third generation children still had strong loyalty to Mexico despite the fact that many had not even visited the country. Overwhelmingly history has shown Mexican nationals had a preference to their home country but we did not see them stay in the U.S. until crossing the border became illegal. If they were staying here due to social or economic problems in their country we would have seen it happen before the INA of 1965 which wasn't much the case. There's also a famous Mexican saying "jaula de oro" which translates literally to cage of gold. It was coined by immigrants as a metaphor for the U.S. as they could make lots of money here but they can't leave because if they did they couldn't come back so they're essentially linking their life to living in a cage made of gold. I think that phrase in itself shows just how much many Mexican immigrants would have preferred to go back to Mexico and to that fact many actually did when presented with the opportunity(there were multiple programs that gave Mexicans in the U.S. one way tickets to Durango and if my memory serves me correct not only did many Mexicans take them it's estimated about 30% or 40% were actually U.S. born citizens, again showing strong generational loyalty to a different country than the U.S.).

[@reginamarck4508]

@@groundtofu4238 Thank you for the thorough response! It’s been so long since I watched the video now I need to rewatch to check if that answered my question, but I definitely see your point. It just seemed like especially now when we have immigrant caravans that are ostensibly leaving violence and many hoping to claim sanctuary status that not addressing it from the Central American side seemed too incomplete a picture to me. But again, it’s been a year since I watched it so I don’t 100% remember if that was my problem haha

[@jusletursoulglobaby]

so I've learned another form of legislation passed during the Clinton years. welfare reform (fail), Dont ask dont tell (fail), crime reform (disaster), trade agreement (fail) and now this...

[@alwillk]

The trade agreement (nafta) wasn’t his. It was George h w bush.

[@jusletursoulglobaby]

@@alwillk Bush signed in Dec 92 while a sitting duck president. Clinton ensured the votes were whipped to get it passed. then he blessed us with the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act which.... well, we know how that went

[@whyforcemetohaveachannel3228]

The American economy, like all forms of capitalism, depends on some level if worker exploitation. There’s always a lowest caste that bears this burden, be they slaves, undocumented workers, or the poorest of the poor. I think the average American fails to recognize how important this group of people is for keeping the gears of their nation turning. Whether they are harvesting produce, taking care of your children, or toiling in a factory, these are jobs whose level of pay and whose conditions are not attractive to American citizens. They aren’t competing for jobs that anyone wants, but their contributions are crucial for many sectors.

[@AndrewFrink]

so i feel like the second half of this video is just missing. So what is the alternative, who is working on it, where are they at with it, what are the arguments for and against it, etc.?

[@evandonovan9239]

I think the answer is that no one is working on it. There was momentum for immigration reform prior to Trump's election but his election changed the political calculus. Now, even though many Americans speak positively about immigrants, there is not an appetite for actually changing the laws. The people who oppose increased immigration to the US are too powerful for that. As for the arguments for and against it, it seems to me that the video as it is presents a strong case against this law. And Vox was never about balance or even-handedness (although I agree with them on this issue), so I doubt they would present the other side.

[@aliguibril234]

Who knew that if you draw a line in the sand between people and their job opportunities and told them don't cross it or else that they would cross it anyway?

[@Cris-if8kf]

@@SP95 That's not what A third world country is 😂

[@mpersand]

Something about these charts isn't very compelling. There's not really a noticeable trend change after IIRIRA. If they removed the IIRIRA line, and asked people at which point do they think some policy change occurred, you likely wouldn't point anywhere near that point on the graph. Not saying that IIRIRA didn't have the effect they are saying it does. I wouldn't know anyways, since I've never heard of it before. But I'm kind of not sure how they're drawing their conclusions from this data.

[@tonygrowley5275]

The limited availability of work visas continues to be an issue for many employers - over 50 percent of agriculture and 90 percent of dairy workers are estimated to be foreign born or undocumented. At the same time, a decreasing rural population and increased reliance on foreign labor has put the agriculture industry at the center of immigration debates. “It just seems baffling that our politicians can't figure out that we don't have the domestic workforce to fill the jobs we need filled and businesses are being stifled and inflation is being increased because we can't find enough workers,”.

[@claudtan9014]

Who would wait 10 years to get their legal status? It's non-logical policy at all in first place. If I could wait 10 years out of US to become US citizen, there are many choices out there. Plus US is no longer the only leaders in economy and social compared to 10 years ago.

[@beluwuga2229]

So it makes it right to get in illegally?

[@claudtan9014]

@@beluwuga2229 not really. Can stricter and limit the citizen pass. Like some countries, they limit the citizenship approval for immigrant Even if need to wait, you can allow them to work in USA and shorten to 3 to 5 years instead of 10. Waiting for 10 years are not the best solution.

[@Slayer8957]

So go there. The US has 330 million people already, we dont need more. Its only out of goodwill that the US continues mass immigration, and the ungratefulness is just another reason to end it altogether. Should go back to being net neutral, i.e. only allowing enough people in to replace the ones leaving, which is only about 200k per year, rather than 1.3 million let in legally every year.

[@beluwuga2229]

I believe immigration should be more strict, to get the well talented and skilled individuals of other countries, then the people who are normal like you and me have to wait 10 years or unless we have relatives or such

[@Slayer8957]

@@Paonporteur Absolute nonsense. A 100 years from now, Japan will still be Japan. There is no decline. Its the US suffering from an out of touch ruling class, but even that dysfunction will work itself out, one way or another.

[@JoeLorence]

This feels like part 1. Any chance you're planning a follow-up that goes into any data we have that gives us clues on how to reform it to work better instead of just saying "whoops"?

[@jelly4563]

Vox only informs the audience not coming up with solutions

[@evandonovan9239]

It seems that just repealing the law to return things to the pre-mid 90s state of affairs would be an improvement.

[@DonVinny]

@@evandonovan9239 nah we're too far gone

[@fleebertreatise1063]

It feels like the main takeaway is that these changes had a lot of negative effects. Step one would be going to back to a system similar to what we had before.

[@theCosmicQueen]

lol working better , means less immigration, according to existing americans' needs. we are way over capacity and the road blocks are just because we need ZERO immigration now. it's no longer 1800.

[@michellegallegos6852]

America needs to take care of its own people first. America already take 1 legal million immigrants every.

[@mobiletaskforceunitepsilon3733]

Congress proposes solving immigration problem by continuing to make America less desirable

[@theCosmicQueen]

😂😂😂☝☝☝

[@leaveitorsinkit242]

3:20 If you’re trying to get citizenry in the US… WHY on earth would you ILLEGALLY move there for 6 months more?? That just doesn’t make sense.

[@lifeisawesome1391]

Because the US has very limited legal paths to immigration.

[@ca-ke9493]

Because you need extensive documentation and sponsors just to get a visa in US, it is extremely expensive and hasslesome.

[@SweBeach2023]

@@ca-ke9493 So instead you just decide to act like a dictator and disregard any democratically decided laws?

[@nulnoh219]

For a Country that pride themselves on Capitalism they sure don't understand incentives...

[@slavesforging5361]

unfortunately Americans don't understand capitalism at all. it's more like random acts of authority which we pretend are capitalist, but actually cost us so much money, infrastructure, and strength that we have one of the worst, richest and most developed countries in the world simultaneously.

[@bigwrestlerguy]

They talk about ineligibilities for unlawful presence but don't talk about how unlawful presence waivers of family based immigrants are almost uniformly given and can be applied for in the USA.

[@fortyseven1832]

Its to drive down labor cost and swamp social services. Its 100% intentional.

[@ezezcompany]

One of my neighbors is a licensed nurse practitioner trained in a top American nursing school. She’s already been spending about 4 years in the legal immigration process and still has to wait for 4 more years to obtain her green card. Over the years she practically can’t travel outside of the US, and has to deal with some ridiculous things like renewing her driver license every 2 or 3 years or whenever her immigration documents get an update. For now the country is suffering from the pandemic, so at least a medical professional like my neighbor, no matter what, deserves an expedited procedure for the real national interest.

[@ninibugg6203]

Tbh, as many problems as this U.S. has, I don't know why foreigners would wanna migrate here in the first place. It's not the worst country in the world, but it's *_definitely_* not the best. And the fact that becoming a citizen is such a lengthy process even while claiming to be a "melting pot" should tell people that "maybe this isn't a country I wanna migrate to".

[@si-yuandong6450]

Does US have or attempt to have a pointing based immigration system like Canada’s? Or route based system like UK’s? Or try introducing a social security system that makes illegal immigration virtually impossible to live in the country to really discourage them from staying undocumented?

[@CaribouEno]

The main issue which shocks me is that they really retroactively applied the law. A legal behavior done at a time (applying and getting the permanent residence despite having stolen one album) and being APPROVED despite that fact is now suddenly a crime even when done before that law passed. This is something normaly every law scholar should be shocked at.

[@JenkinsAnt]

Yes, that is unconstitutional. That part of the law was struck down by the Supreme Court.

[@reifrei1170]

calling a punishment a "deterrent" is absurd if it applied retroactively

[@sandraarias688]

The foreign nationals, should respect the Constitution and laws of the countries they came uninvited, and must embrace our culture, not figthing to imposed theirs, from their failure countries.

[@jane84321]

All because the Clinton Cartels we suffer

[@mbackus1234]

What about temporary work visas etc? Did the us do that or is it just very difficult?

[@theCosmicQueen]

lol we have millions of temp visas. but a lot of them do not go home at the end of thier time allotment.they overstay the visa and it isn't renewed. so now they are here illegally.

[@pepps779]

I like how Vox just tosses up a chart showing illegal migrants trending toward staying in the US longer before the law was passed, and then just ignores that discrepancy to continue their narrative. From what is presented here, the best argument against IIRIRA is that its impact is middling to insignificant in the goal of reducing illegal migration to the US, though it is rather obvious that Vox is coming from the angle that the very goal of reducing illegal migration is what should be questioned.

[@notwhoyouthink666]

People breaking the law are being deported. How inhumane.

[@montewalker]

How?

[@KB-dj2cg]

@@montewalker He is being sarcastic

[@AirQuotes]

Yer I know someone who over stayed a visa in 2001. They are still waiting for citizenship because they haven't left the country

[@theCosmicQueen]

haha lol they will never get it at that rate. they need booted out.

[@tksk197033]

production value of Vox videos is amazing and digestible for someone not as educated like myself.

[@KIRA-wl6oc]

Hey Vox , made about a caste reservation system of India , which hamper qualified unreserved to get their chances in studies . Actually it is not abolishing caste system in India but creating hate thinking among populations of different community in India , in which no lower socioeconomic families gets benefited, for which caste based reservation was implemented. It is going on still now by politicians for their greedy intensity for wining in elections .

[@anonymouspyramids6192]

Lawful status =\= Citizen Here’s an idea- if you want to illegally cross a border, don’t shoplift. Simple as that.

[@galegrazutis964]

EXACTLY pretty simple logic really!

[@cerebraldreams4738]

It doesn't matter if it's a boss, a landlord, or even a boyfriend/girlfriend - when you're easy to replace, people are going to demand more from you and offer less in return.

[@ahhwe-any7434]

And that's how u def keep ppl around. Meanwhile heavy rotations:

[@jeffdetmer9967]

Correlation does not prove causation. Illegal immigration had been increasing the whole time. The acceleration was due to other factors than the "IIRIRA". The one deterrent we have never really tried is workplace enforcement. Jobs are the real draw of illegal migration into the US. Without workplace enforcement, our immigration policies are a joke.

[@theCosmicQueen]

yes. e verify all. but also for renting housing. because it's illegal to harbor an undocumented alien.. But they do it anyway. Enforce it as well.

[@kei2142]

So unintended consequences? Actually at 3:45 if you entered through the ports legally then overstayed and you married you can apply for adjustment of status within the states and not subject to the same 10 year bar. Not the case if you sneaked across the border (the legal term is called entering uninspected).

[@stevenroshni1228]

True. Problem is they don't just let anybody who shows up at the checkpoint in and without the a visa, you can't even get on the airplane heading to the US.