The Legend of Havel the Rock | Dark Souls Lore

[@Hawkshaw]

Hey everyone! We hope you like this different style. We know we have done Havel in a literal, analytical way before, so this time we have made it a story of legend! Some parts are what we think is most likely to have happened, but our imagination had to be involved to make this the most entertaining possible! If you want to watch the detailed lore behind Havel's story, check out our videos on him here: Ash Lake, Havel, and the Plot against the Gods: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ppfJe2SkebeYn5I&pp=ygUJYXNoIGxha2Ug The Lore of the Rings in Dark Souls (including Havel's!): kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3e0aWingpqcaNU&ab_channel=Hawkshaw

[@9_debolati_318]

I like this style. Already subscribed but I'll subscribe again if you do more videos like this.

[@12PnT12]

Loved the style! The extra bits to come up with a full story made it great.

[@sonnysayas]

I agree with the others. You have a knack for weaving an informative narrative!

[@darklurkerirl6101]

amazing work as always

[@halcyon62277]

Awesome, as ever. I particularly love the idea that Domhnall betrayed them for Avelyn which is a theory I've held for quite awhile now.

[@drewmac9270]

He really is *poised* to make a name for himself.

[@okredcoat5141]

I see what you did there....but he should have leveled ADP.

[@tripvic7629]

HAHAHAHAHA

[@egocide9034]

Rock solid argument

[@megathicccgonkthighs2108]

Waaahaaahaaahaa

[@arglebargle42]

I feel he will certainly join with an exclusive club.

[@bjg8638]

First experience with Dark Souls, opened the door and started down. Saw message on the ground that said "Imminent Tears" and 5 seconds later Havel flattened me with one hit. Bro is such a bad ass, in all 3 games.

[@spacegators1775]

That 98 defense chestplate hit different

[@Lunar_F_Blues]

My first experience I spent about 2 hours on him before leaving to do more story and have upgraded weapons, came back and beat him in 2 tries. Currently on my 3rd run of the game doing a Wolverine character (Claws weapon in both hands) and I annihilated Havel with parried and backstabs first time, kinda felt bad

[@raccoondungeonmaster1126]

And the very second you learn his moveset in 1 you can successfully parry him in every subsequent game

[@darklurkerirl6101]

Havel's armour always intrigued me. It is so iconic while always feels so bizarre. Like something is wrong with it. Then I understand what was Infront of me all this time. The chains. His hands are chained, his shoulders are chained, his hips area chained. Even in later ages of DS2 and 3 this details always there. Then I remember a nifty item and its peculiar explanation in DS3; Prisoner's Chain : "A prisoner is one who has staked everything on a belief, a proclivity most apparent in the greatest of champions." What this item gives ? Well, 5 Vigor, 5 Endurance, 5 Vitality.

[@ALushPair]

I never made the connection, that's cool

[@JohnDoe-sq5nv]

Perhaps you should take another look at the armor then, especially the description. The armor was never worn by Havel himself, only by his warriors. There is more pointing towards Havel being an everlasting dragon than something similar to his warriors.

[@Sylph_C0]

@@JohnDoe-sq5nv I get that the description says worn by "followers of Havel" but then why would we find a set called "Havel's armor" in Anor Londo next to an occult club? Why would he be called Havel "The Rock"? It seems to be more accepted the armor was made in likeness to his.

[@whitedrake6933]

@@Sylph_C0 I mean if he was an everlasting dragon, it would make sense that he was called "The Rock". Also, it could be called "Havel's Armor" because it's an armor made to resemble his characteristics, or even just because it's the armor that his followers wear. Think of it as in monster hunter, you can wear "Rathalos' Armor", but Rathalos isn't a warrior. And the occult club, well, if it's armor was worn by followers of him, would it be so strange that next to a warrior's armor there's a weapon?

[@JohnDoe-sq5nv]

@@Sylph_C0 Exactly as whitedrake6933 says. The armor set explicitly states that Havel's Set was worn by his warriors. Either we care about the item descriptions or we don't and feel free to make up our own "lore". Adding to that, the Havel Knight that we do find and fight in Dark Souls is also wearing Havel's ring. It's item description is: "This ring was named after Havel the Rock, Lord Gwyn's old battlefield compatriot. Havel's men wore the ring to express faith in their leader and to carry a heavier load" And similar in Dark Souls 3. Meaning that there are: 1. Multiple rings 2. They are worn by his knights. Multiple rings definitively means multiple armor sets, which is also consistent with the fact that we find several Havel Knights across the trilogy. With two of them showing up in Dark Souls 2. It makes more sense if Havel's following was some draconic sect considering the fact that they wear equipment coming from dragons and that resemble something rock-like. Reminds me quite a lot of those who collect dragon scales to become more dragon like. "Dragon scale for reinforcing dragon weapons. Peeled from an ancient dragon. A dragon is inseparable from its scales, and the transcendent apostles, who seek the perpetuity of the ancient dragons, have crossed the very end of the earth to seek this invaluable treasure." No matter, pointing out one single Havel Knight and calling him "Havel" is at best hilariously inconsistent with the lore we are given. At worst an intentional omission of known facts to fit the chosen narrative.

[@sonnyf1364]

It's really funny to imagine Havel seeing Seath in public and just blatantly ignoring him while Seath is trying to say hi

[@thelastcrow5660]

*Towers over him and looks down* Havel! Hello, we haven't seen each other in age- Where...Where are you going?

[@mynamejef7963]

Very based Havel

[@WelcomeToTwinklePark]

"Yea, whatever, Seth."

[@whatsnewbois9814]

Silver knight Ledo with his 60STR Hammer: "Havel? Oh yeah that guy! Cool dude, he seems pretty chill..."

[@xenozethe]

Ledo have higher damage output while Havel got higher endurance with slightly lower damage output, It is stated that Ledo had lost to Havel in a duel in a manga I have read edit: after re-read it I found that Ledo said it himself that his and havel’s strength is equal

[@whatsnewbois9814]

@@xenozethe was it a canon manga or a joke manga like road to erdtree?

[@xenozethe]

@@whatsnewbois9814 type “Dark Souls The war of the ancient dragon manga” and you should be able to find it, the manga it self not a joke like road to the eardtre, the story told you about what happen in the war against the ancient dragon and there is this story telling you about Ledo vs Havel duel

[@xenozethe]

@@whatsnewbois9814 Dark Souls the war of the ancient dragon is the name of the manga and no, it is not a joke manga

[@whatsnewbois9814]

@@xenozethe not an official canon manga but one with passion and good faith, praise the fandom \[T]/

[@Lasghanja]

Every dark souls 1 playthrough always ends up as a Havel cosplay for me somehow. I've tried doing dex and magic multiple times but the stone calls to me

[@Sextus70]

No other build beats the satisfaction of becoming a giant weapon wielding monster capable of killing most enemies with a few blows (and sometimes with even just one).

[@sneekmuch]

I feel ya. I can’t get away from str so I know that feeling of trying other ways just to be called back to the one love you can’t leave 😂

[@Khaleb_0]

You may be a dwarf

[@hamzahussain7794]

Same here. Havel armor is just too awesome. I beat the game because of that armor

[@skeletonnoise6178]

Rock and Stone brother

[@Jupiter__001_]

The ninja Havel clip was on-point when mentioning the fear he strikes in those who face him 😂

[@JonnyRaZerLooksLikeDogDookie]

HAVEL FLIPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

[@mr.bojangles2580]

Just one man, a stone suit, and a giant tooth and shield; powered by hate. Legend.

[@horwatich]

Doom Guy with a Dark Soul!

[@medievalpainting801]

He really is the definition of THE *WALL*

[@MitchJustChill]

THE WALL, THE WALL, THE WALL NO MAN ON EARTH CAN MAKE YOU FALL

[@JIMT412]

Rogal Dorn and Mark Henry are proud

[@DeagleXY]

On my first playthrough, whenever I collected something from Havel, I put it on! I just loved the idea of being a man, knowing everyone around you is using their faith and intelligence to come up with new kinds of attacks. But you? You push through, a simple method put through perfection making you one of the biggest assets of an enourmous army. Thank you for the video Hawkshaw !!

[@samael4550]

I can appreciate the hell out of the mindset, don’t get me wrong, but I feel like it’s also unfair to paint Havel as some oaf who only knew how to rely on his strength, he also showed signs of having very high faith. He CREATED two very powerful miracles in order to combat (or rather nullify) magical power. Even if he relied mainly on his strength, to say he completely ignored using his faith on the battlefield is a little too far I feel like. The miracles may not have been his most powerful asset, but they were specifically mentioned to be a part of his arsenal, so his use of them was at least somewhat apparent to the people around him if it survived history as long as it has.

[@memegod6750]

​@@samael4550 FTH + STR builds truly are GOATed

[@samael4550]

@PartialProphet you’re drawing parallels with the real life modern world in relation to a world where God-like figures provably exist and communicate with mortals. I’m also gonna have to heavily disagree with your notions about faith being antithetical to intelligence, even in the modern day, but especially because the game is based on medieval knights, not 21st century people. Most medieval knights would have obviously been _heavily_ religious, but also amongst the most educated and intelligent people in the population. Intelligence doesn’t necessarily mean you’re ‘right’ about everything, it’s your ability to decipher the information given to you by the world around you. They would have been amongst the most well mannered, well spoken, and well read people in a society. Doesn’t mean all the information they had was correct, and since they had much less overall information, they relied on faith much more for explanations to things, but faith and intelligence are not mutually exclusive. I’m also more than willing to have an argument about why IQ is a flawed way to measure intelligence, and also looking deeper into whatever studies you’re referencing to check the veracity of your claims, but I’m refraining from writing an entire essay on that subject in this comment section lol, for now.

[@Ransetsu]

​@PartialProphetmy man, your faith in your ability to perceive reality correctly is faith based.

[@RossAshmore]

My favorite Dark Souls character! Havel the GOAT

[@lombonater07]

“Wake up babe, a new Hawkshaw lore video just dropped”. The ATLA music is also very fitting.

[@beniron5807]

As an avid DS1 pvper, there was few enemies that could “send a chill of fear down my spine” the back flipping Haval players were def one of those. I saw what you did there lol. Even if you were more skilled then they, it was such a chore to kill them. Hp, and poise for days.

[@nottwo]

I really liked the theory that the armor, shield, ring, and club are only for Havel’s knights and Havel was a dragon. Seems like a real From thing to do.

[@orionstokesweiss2344]

The club is described as Havel's club, what dragon wields a dragon tooth as a great hammer. God some theories are so cherrypicked and dumb

[@nottwo]

@@orionstokesweiss2344 I can see why you think that and you’re more likely right than wrong, but there’s enough wiggle room. Maybe they can retcon it for the remake.

[@orionstokesweiss2344]

@@nottwo There is enough wiggle room? The only humanoid dragon is an abberation, the club is quite literally described as his weapon, and the shield is as well. If that is enough wiggle room I think we have enough wiggle room to theorize that Napolean was actually Chinese. Meaning that every piece of evidence points directly to the contrary, but maybe!

[@Cain102]

@@nottwohaha I like that theory!

[@radioed_head]

It’s a nice theory, but Seath was the only dragon to betray his own and Havel was allied with Gwyn.

[@dinguzzy]

I started play dark souls a few weeks ago and got interested in the lore and for the last few days I've been binging his videos. The timeline and then the video about Havel and the next day he drop a new one. Sick

[@jonathanferguson7791]

Carry on, fine work young hollow

[@gryzwold]

There’s a lot of great lore channels out there but Hawkshaw really catches the vibe. Love it.

[@Tstorm731]

I’ve been playing these games since Demon’s Souls but I always stayed away from lore channels so I could have my own perspective. Some one insisted I watch an old Hawkshaw video about DS and I was blown away. What other lore channels would you recommend? I’ve seen Vaati of course. Great footage and good scripts/voice acting but I’m not crazy about his lore theories sometimes. I’ve seen Smoughtown, very logical and academic. Love his theories but presentation isn’t the focus. Love Sinclair lore for Bloodborne stuff. Just found tarnished archeologist and really like it. Any recommendations from here?

[@gryzwold]

@@Tstorm731 those are some great ones, another one I’d check out is “The Brothers Code” Hope you enjoy!

[@robertspeedwagon982]

​@@Tstorm731a bit late, but I really like Miss Chalice's channel, even though from what I've seen she only made content for Elden Ring. In a manner similar to Smoughtown she presents what she says as clearly speculation, exploring multiple possibilities and with clear references to item descriptions. The presentation is also pretty cool and quite unique.

[@Tstorm731]

@@robertspeedwagon982 Thanks! I’ll check it out!

[@brother5423]

holy fuck the broken arch tree really got me. Hawkshaw my brother, please never go hollow on us. ❤

[@pascova5088]

Havel is my favorite souls character because of all your lore videos, the hour and a half Occult one in particular. Your content never fails to impress, and thank you for your contributions to the souls community!

[@ChosenUndead7]

Please never stop doing dark souls 1 videos, I love this game so much

[@PboiStrider]

When I see Hawkshaw you have no idea how much joy I have

[@revolversnake126]

"For his own good, of course" I really love that line for some reason.

[@chiranjalitha5596]

185 views now... I always appreciated your efforts to make an epic lore and connect the mysterious spots in Dark Souls...You are great Hawkshaw.

[@antoniotruong5647]

Bull Goat Armor, Fingerprint Shield, Fallingstar Beast Jaw...when I want to roleplay as Havel in Elden Ring.

[@RxCthulhu]

Sees video... Squeels in delight... Wakes wife... Apologizes... Squeels quietly

[@niggorr]

Squeels harder to assert dominance

[@gangstaflamingo]

Epic gamer moment

[@rmrjmr7543]

Stop typing like this

[@weedGato]

CONTINUE TYPING LIKE THIS

[@RxCthulhu]

​Sees responses... gets conflicted... self reflection... stops caring... continues typing like this...

[@wyattmorelock5832]

Wow, I love all of your video's but this format in particular caused me to really feel and connect to Havels story on an emotional level, wonderfully done!!

[@juandelata]

"the thought of fighting him still sends fear down the spine" **shows flipping Havel*

[@jeffreyduranii6235]

This is an amazing video! It’s like a prequel to your plot against the gods vid!

[@mekacrab]

He is the original Bonk build warrior. Praise the bonk, praise Havel

[@ruthsagers1714]

Dude… you never miss. You have shaped my understanding of the characters and lore from this game so much. Domhnall, Havel, The Chaos Demons, The Way of White, Eidas, Seigmeyer, Lautrec… because of your analysis my entire understanding of the game feels so much deeper and I respond to characters so differently than I did originally. You didn’t change my mind about Seath though. He’s still a crystal arsehole.

[@slightlytwistedagain]

I love this interpretation of Havel's lore, especially how it ties into Domhnall the Trickster and Eidas the Crystal Knight.

[@gzrt3785]

Since i saw your videos back in the day 5 years ago i fell in the rabbit hole of FS lore videos, Havel and the plot against the gods was my favorite video and pretty much got hooked to your content and when i felt that you halted your uploads for a time and noticed that you begun to make Elden Ring videos i could not do anything to not feel a bit nostalgic to think that you would redirect your atention to only ER but look, here we are 5 years later with more souls content, better than ever. Thank you for all your content, the intensity, passion and atention that is poured in your content is pretty much what makes most of us so immersed in these vast universes

[@NATT441]

Havel: The Rock, The Myth, The Legend.

[@martyrocefus8484]

I eat these videos up and watch them over and over. This is art

[@ArcadeTheatre]

Flipping Havel isn't real and he can't hurt you.

[@jfkdidntlos791]

Thats what i tell myself every night to go to sleep

[@a10bam420]

hearing this reminds me of new prepare to crys dropping back in the day. i lived for this stuff back then. its crazy how vibrant the souls community continues be over all these years. great work dude 🤙

[@DeadDeadDeadski]

OMG, Havel is a Monster Hunter character! It all makes sense now.

[@TheBlackBoss]

Havel hammer main 💪🏿

[@Yamaazaka]

The absolute chad of DS.

[@bigdraco98]

Havel is truly the GOAT

[@sheepsheadbey]

the bull-goat

[@amorescty]

the direction for the tomb ambush was so masterfully tense oh my

[@angel-ry9mb]

Havel has always reminded me of chess. His armor is like a chess piece. He is the perfect struggler knight. Just like guts. Ty Miyazaki ty for so many hours of truly memorable and honestly formulative time I've spent of the souls series. The art the ideologies have always been very appealing to me.

[@hangman2332]

Me and my brother's favorite theory when playing ds1, our first fromsoft game, was that the havel in the tower was not the real havel but one of his knights and hes still out there hunting dragons like a boss. In fact when we met a havel knight next to dead dragon in ds3 we starting screaming "WE FOUND HIM! HES STILL ALIVE!" It was the most peak moment for us in the series

[@modytal1303]

great insight on world connection beetween ash lake and nito’s domain, loved the video!

[@Professor-Love]

Whenever you guys upload it always makes me have more faith for midterms or exams in general

[@ClaireMeeboon]

Omg using ninian’s ost during his lover part hits so hard.

[@almightytowerdiveking4636]

I love this story. I could see this being a comic or something.

[@StephanuSneed]

Given that Havel was one of the gods per Great Magic Barrier's japanese description and not a bishop, Gwyn probably shared his soul with him like with the rest of the gods, as stated by Gwyn's soul. It also means that all the speculation relating to the woman holding the White Seance Ring falls apart.

[@Nasser-saleh]

I loved the video about havel. I think he's interesting character and no many people care about him. and I'm happy to watch a lore video about him.

[@mahmoud7215]

I always love the storys/legends you guys make for the characters

[@olgagaming5544]

Make? Isn't it in-game lore?

[@mahmoud7215]

@@olgagaming5544 it's just a theory A game theory but yeah some of it is concrete but the rest is assumptions on item descriptions and stuff like that but most of it is believed to be true

[@JohnDoe-sq5nv]

@@olgagaming5544 No, it is not. This is basically fanfiction.

[@olgagaming5544]

@@JohnDoe-sq5nv Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat............. nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[@olgagaming5544]

@@JohnDoe-sq5nv I believe these are accurate, right assumptions actually

[@XenoJoker]

Havel is just built different.

[@mmmthatguy]

I feel like Havel was once the size of the Iron Golem or Smough. But he probably harassed some maiden somewhere and Gwynn went into damage control and banished him to the bottom of that tower. And banned his Twitter account.

[@Inuzumi]

Fantasic video. I often forget just how amazing Havel was. I thought that Havel reminded me of Radhan, but it's clearly the other way around.

[@FrogmanhatesQibli]

Havel "the Rock" johnson

[@venonymousgames7804]

Dwayne Havel Johnson👀

[@Ever_green2021]

New Hawkshaw Video? Equivalent to the elden ring dlc for me.

[@angelohowardii8907]

Perfect way to spend the last 25 mins at work, another banger bro🔥

[@miimiibeschde4818]

Imagine you're havel, travel to anor Londo to get your equipment back and it's all gone because a random undead found it

[@Thanatos5714]

lol

[@coroarc8423]

You are a great story teller. Well done!

[@kyledoak518]

Two and a half minutes in and you've become my new favorite lore presenter. Awesome style, I'm super impressed!

[@SassyTheSasquatch96]

Has any lore master had the courage to ask for it may make them hollow, Is havels ring a ring for the finger or something far more, Abyssal.

[@OHG_Fawx]

Havel The Rock: pancakes you with his overhead swing Dwayne The Rock Johnson: Famously eats stacks of pancakes during cheat meals. Coincidence? I think not, my friends

[@kooolainebulger8117]

havel was and still is one of my favorite characters in dark souls

[@mrkiscool3]

Hackshaw and Vaati releasing videos within 24 hours of each other? Praise the lore!!

[@ryanschultz4119]

Very much enjoyed this video on Havel! So well thought out & narrated suspensefully. Great work!👍

[@dazzio187]

This is a magnificent story and you've told it really well! The twists and tragedy! I outwardly shouted "no!" at the battle of the arch tree! Wow!

[@hajipuncher]

Excellent video as per usual. I wonder if Seath's experiments were to try to figure out how to procreate or create replicas of dragons?

[@sultanalzabin6247]

i really enjoy your videos and would love to see more of your works

[@Tool30301]

Literally the best edited Hawkshaw video in my opinion

[@mrfreddorenton]

An excellent new direction for the channel. Keep it up hawkshaw

[@antoniorivolta783]

We all know that the real Chad of Dark Souls is Havel. "Solaire è un merdone" a quote for a few...

[@Mezza_Runa]

Porcoiddio! **Clap clap clap** diocanediocanediocane

[@onepeice01]

always a pleasure to see new content this story time style is very welcomed! i was on the edge of my seat despite knowing the outcome, amazing as always

[@breadiusloafus5068]

Havel the Gigachad

[@undeadunluck]

🥶🥶🥶ITS A GOOD DAY BOYS HAWKSHAW VID🥶🥶🥶

[@Soyokaze404-yc1dt]

He killed me today. I was not even an hour into the game. I just had to find out who the fuck he was. Imagine my luck, you uploaded this yesterday. Fucking insane.

[@RysenKai]

Havel didn't Havel a Lavel Savel. He only haveld a will of Stone.

[@rgzgr]

18:05 OH MY GOOD THE PERFECTLY TIMED HOLLOW KNIGHT OST

[@bazuso___]

Honey wake up hawkshaw posted a Havel lore video

[@danfish88]

Hawkshaw DS1 lore hits different. Also, love the inclusion of SOTC OST

[@1337139]

Well done sir I was fully engaged by the visuals and story. Well done

[@MrHathaway1337]

We need a Giant Dad lore video.

[@amit_patel654]

Can you smellelelelelelllooo what Havel is cookin'?

[@nathanielmitchell683]

Considering he is in all 3 dark souls games or at least the armor and weapons he wears/ has I'd say he did a grand job.

[@thetitaniumviper4734]

I like to think Havel was somehow born with super strength or in Dark souls in general people can just be born ridiculously strong

[@philiphamel8504]

Here he is, the man, the myth, the legend, HAVEL THE ROCK

[@countdread6467]

God me and my wife look forward to your videos all the time. Havel is my goat for Dark Souls. He was the ROCK!! Thanks for the great video.

[@Irithyllian]

I’ll be looking forward to watching this tonight when I wake up!!!

[@droneage1138]

Yet, here we are, parrying him to death on SL1 😢

[@tonybogard6888]

Hawkshaw + Havel = my favorite videos :)

[@__dante__]

Its crazy how influential this game has been. It's been 13 years since it was released and people still make lore documentaries

[@m4n1987]

Learning this made me feel bad for having went down there in my first playthrough and just poking him with a level 1 spear until he died

[@corvuscorax9028]

"stupid sexy seath " - Archbishop Havel

[@pepsimanbooster]

amazing video i have stumbled on, i hope to see more cinematic videos like this in the future

[@SpringHeeled223]

Oh yes. Well done as always, Hawkshaw.

[@zaidlacksalastname4905]

Who needs lore when you can have lore-flavored fiction lol

[@skarmory4]

The sound effect of Havel’s Hammer still makes me wince

[@benbannan4759]

I herd somewhere that parts of this story occoured before gwyn linked the fire and that gwyn discovered gavels plans He was so sure that he could not stop the rock for good that he stripped him of his armour/weapons and had him imprisoned in the asylum to rot away to the dark sign With what seemed like an eternity Havel eventually lost himself until he was helped out at the start of ds1 and that even though his memories and body faded, his will carried is what carried us through ds1 until we linked the fire I think I prefer this version even if it’s inaccurate. He was the man whose will was so challenging that the gods had to put a stop to him

[@knightpp]

Thanks! Excellent lore video as always.

[@GGBG627]

The battle towards the end of the video is amazing, the sequences of fighting lordrans and seaths forces is displayed beautifully in the clips. Rock Solid Video! 🪨

[@tiberiusviljoen4903]

The GOAT

[@tylernail-gk7xe]

Real men parry Havel

[@akw94926]

In my ideal world, a fourth Dark Souls entry would include an artorias-style Havel boss fight