The Lexus GS 460 is an Athletic & Slept-On V8 Sedan of the Late 2000's

[@joekavalauskas8767]

Thanks Bern!! This was a real pleasure seeing my ride on your channel! You nailed it

[@BernonCars]

And thank you!! I'm happy it finally worked out! 😆

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

YES, FINALLY the GS460!

[@BernonCars]

Yesssss!!

[@toyotadude6771]

Very nice! There are hardly ANY reviews on the GS460. I'm thrilled that you provided that service, keep up the great work! You are a natural in front of the camera.

[@BernonCars]

Thank you!! Right, I couldn't find any videos newer than 2010 LOL. I appreciate that, much more to come! 😆

[@NOWmaryme]

That's my brother Joey's car! YEEEAHHH. Looks slick. Great video, Bern. You're super knowledgeable about your stuff and it shows!

[@BernonCars]

WOOO YEAHH! Thank you much! It's even better because it's fun for me 😆

[@CharlieParker-dz6fv]

Appreciate you using the higher quality camera. Man, these things are hard to find on the used market.

[@BernonCars]

I appreciate you noticing!! Yeah I hardly see em!

[@gbj400]

Yes. I have a 2009 GS450h. Pearl white with a tan leather interior. 120,000 miles. I absolutely love it!! I call it a luxurious race car. Want to review it? I reside in St. Louis, Mo.

[@BernonCars]

Very nice!! I would love to!!!

[@BernonCars]

Happy Sunday my friends! Good to see familiar peeps again! Good to be back. I have a proper post-accident update video coming soon, but I am back and well! Hope you all are too!

[@nickabbatiello828]

Great video of the 2008-2011 Lexus GS460. I'm a huge fan of the Lexus GS460 as well as the Lexus GSF.

[@BernonCars]

Thank you! The GS F is a beast. I wanna drive one again soon

[@nicksonmcfadden702]

Best car under 20k. I’ve had 2 3rd Gens, a 350 and 460. Great cars

[@BernonCars]

I hear you on that!! Great cars!

[@justascott]

What's the maintenance like as you cross 100k miles? In general, what are things to look out for when purchasing

[@acuraledgend9648]

​@justascott oil changes , and timing chain..but if you on top of oil changes you should be good ..bought a rx after acura kept breaking my heart to the point of litigation...so far so good..

[@Gabriel_J33]

You do a really good job with reviews youre gonna make it big

[@BernonCars]

I appreciate that thank you! 🙏🏾

[@MattaKY5064]

Such a nice looking sedan. Thanks for the review Bern!

[@BernonCars]

It was my pleasure!! Thank you! 😁

[@nknasi]

I had a GS460 from 2019 to 2022 and put 50k miles on it in that time. Same transmission as the ISF and the TCU from the ISF drops right in for better shifts. I had a friend with a 3GS 450h and when we raced, he took me off the line but I reeled him in at the top of first gear and passed him in 2nd and never looked back. Bluetooth audio was added in 2010, but the 2010 and 2011 models are exceptionally rare so good luck finding one.

[@BernonCars]

Interesting!! Yeah I really wanna try out a 450h and see. 3GS is just so great

[@viperz22]

He wasn't in sport+ mode

[@NNN-rc2vc]

Hey man, great video. Keep up the good work.

[@BernonCars]

Thank you much, I appreciate it!!

[@rayl1152]

Wonderful review! It was great to finally see you experience this gem

[@BernonCars]

I'm so glad you enjoyed, thank you! 😁

[@805NAVE]

I’d do anything for a GS460. Unicorn! I currently own an 05 GS430, final model year for 2GS and one of 422 V8s that year. I used to own a 2008 LS460 that I loved, but it burnt oil quite a bit, so that makes me skeptical of the GS460.

[@BernonCars]

Ohh yeah nice! Interesting I didn't know they drank oil too!

[@hayden93]

@@BernonCarsyeah the 350 and 460 motors burn oil at higher mileage if they weren’t maintained to a T. My 13 GS 350 burns a decent bit of oil but who cares when you can easily add more

[@DeathhAngel1]

How do you know its burning oil? Does it have a low oil light or do you check the oil all the time?​@@hayden93

[@nknasi]

@@DeathhAngel1 i had a gs460 and it burned a quart of oil every 1500 miles. but since i checked it religiously and the engine takes a little over 9 qts it was never a big issue for me.

[@untoldmysteries6283]

Ive got one, 2009, all the options of the one in the video. Red with tan interior. 228,000miles. Name a price.

[@sleepergs430]

Was looking forward on your take on the 3GS. Thanks for the upload!

[@BernonCars]

Yesss I had to! Thanks for stopping by!

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

4:50 "today we celebrate the V8" 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[@BernonCars]

Yes sir yes sir!!

[@edmontontangobar4991]

Beautiful car, nothing like a Lexus V8, love my GS400.

[@BernonCars]

Nothing like them!!

[@flubyux2]

Great presentation on the 460. It just reaffirms my need for one. And thanks for the nod to the 2gs400. I love my 00gs400. It’s been the best car I’ve ever had overall.

[@BernonCars]

Thank you very much! Yeah the 2GS is deserving of the praise too!

[@Dennis-ij7rm]

Lexus always ages well. Love that pop out control center. Good to see you back!

[@BernonCars]

I agree, soo timeless. Thanks for stopping by sir!

[@NEONPARADlSE]

Always loved this generation GS. I had a 2008 LS460 for a few years back in 2012-14 and i always wondered how that motor would feel in something smaller. Too bad the GS460 is so rare!

[@BernonCars]

Ohh nice, yeah these are sweet! Love them

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

@@NEONPARADlSE It's detuned for it thought. You have to tune it up again to feel the benefit.

[@joekavalauskas8767]

@@imnotusingmyrealname4566would love to know how! This is my car

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

@@joekavalauskas8767 should just mimic the VE (volumetric efficiency) map of the LS460 1UR-FSE with your ECU but I'm not an expert so find a professional shop

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

​@@joekavalauskas8767the LS460 has almost 400 hp so the difference would be very noticeable

[@immabecoinz]

love your reviews man! keep up the great work

[@BernonCars]

Thank you so much! I appreciate it!!

[@mattp733i]

I still have my 2006 GS430, just hit 205,000 miles. This car is a tank! Very reliable and ages really well as the years pass. 👍🏾

[@BernonCars]

Nice!! They really are some pieces of machinery!!

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

4:18 Fun fact: in the Middle East the 2nd gen IS had the same engine as the GS 300 but with port injection as a base engine in the IS 300 instead of the 2.5L V6 in the IS 250 which like the GS 300 engine had only direct injection and problems with csrbon buildup. The larger port injected engine had more power and torque and had fewer problems. The Middle East also got that engine in the GS 300. 3GR-FE > 3GR-FSE >> 4GR-FSE

[@BernonCars]

Ohh neat! So many nuances haha

[@jamesplatt3448]

I currently own a White pearl GS460 and I love it ...Ive upgraded my brake disc with slotted and drilled ....I live in the DC metro area....

[@BernonCars]

Ohh very nice!!

[@VintageAudioTech]

Good review! Thanks for shedding light on the 460

[@BernonCars]

And thank you! They're worth the appreciation!

[@VintageAudioTech]

@ that’s why I have 3 of them 😅

[@Erebus-PCFX]

Are you a reincarnation of John H. Davis? Your tone, delivery and vocabulary is so... him! I feel like I'm watching a MotorWeek review, It's amazing.

[@BernonCars]

Oh yeah?? That's one of the best things I could hear thank you! 😆

[@ericwhite9189]

HE HAS RETURNED!!!

[@BernonCars]

I HAVE!!!

[@Phoked]

Would love to see an early LS460L review too. Had mine for nearly 3 years, they're truly special cars for how cheap you can get them for

[@BernonCars]

I wanna find one of those! Sooo nice

[@DeathhAngel1]

Rather have a 2012 S550.

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

The Crown used to be something special. It was a RWD sedan with four cylinders, V6 and V8 engines. Now it's a FWD 4 cylinder hybrid crossover like every Toyota currently out there seemingly.

[@trekkie]

I love my GS460, Dark Brown leather and Black Birds Eye Maple trim. Smiles for Miles

[@BernonCars]

Ooo pretty spec. Love that interior

[@2barredout]

4:25 what’s wrong with the 3gs 300’s engine?

[@BernonCars]

They only used direct injection instead of both port and direct, so there were many issues related to the fuel system gunking up, misfiring and other nonsense

[@2URLex]

I was shopping these last week lol didn’t find many for sale nation wide. These started the 4 door coupe design.

[@BernonCars]

They're hard to find yeah man!

[@rod1245]

Bro was about to win a prize at 22:33 🤣 Lost his train of thought and everything! lol

[@BernonCars]

I played it back and I don't see what you mean 😂

[@randygonzalez5758]

I knew about the GS430 but had no clue a GS460 existed. Wow!!!

[@BernonCars]

Right!! Impressive!

[@lynxmh]

The original GSF. Owned one and loved it. So rare. Really wish they would have offered the 4.6 in the 4GS but then again no one would have bought the GSF if they would have.

[@BernonCars]

Right, it'd be cool to see. Especially compared to a 550i and E550

[@Mylogcabin]

Great video. I have a Gs 460 black/black 43000 miles. 1 previous owner. Absolutely mint. Apparently, one of nine that is currently on the road in the UK . Sometimes, i contemplate selling the vehicle through lack of use but can't seem to sell it . Premium quality vehicle.

[@odin5188]

I have one in the UK too, looks like this one. Have you done anything to yours? I recommend GROM Vline 2

[@Mylogcabin]

Only fitted Tanabe medallion exhaust and Tanabe comfort spring . Roughly 1Inch lower . Also Borbet LX 19inch . The car is definitely better sounding. Drives better. Firmer ride on sports but same feel on the motorway. Mint condition. Best car I've owned.

[@odin5188]

@@Mylogcabin Nice, i have a powerflow on mine. Not as nice as yours but a nice subtle sound at low speeds and you hear it at WOT. Didn't want another noisy car

[@BernonCars]

Thank you! Ooo fancy I love the black on black. I'd keep it around a little longer!

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

5:32 another middle east fun fact: they got the 1UR-FE in the GS 460 instead of the 1UR-FSE. Apparently this was due to bad fuel quality which would rapidly wear the direct injectors, but at least it gave them the bigger displacement base 2IS, IS 300, not to be confused with the first gen IS 300.😅

[@BernonCars]

Interesting! I was curious why!

[@jasonsmith1143]

sweet GS V8!! still like this body style 2024

[@BernonCars]

Yeah man!! Me too!

[@FCReviews]

That's me everytime I drive my 08 GS350 awd pure enjoyment not a 460 in terms of power but my 303hp and 277 torque from the mighty 2GR-FSE is also fun. Great video look out for my review of my own car soon sir .

[@BernonCars]

Right on man 😆

[@turbolq4]

The 2GR is more reliable than the 1UR engine. I've owned a 2013 ls460 and experienced the cooler leak under the intake manifold. They also have ultra brittle plastic connectors and high pressure injectors that like to disintegrate while you're trying to fix that coolant leak. For the small ish power difference in the GS I don't know that the 460 is really worth the trouble. The 430 is a better engine and there are more of them available.

[@FCReviews]

@@turbolq4 I agree with both that 2GR is more reliable then the 1UR.

[@SURENITY]

What a gem!

[@BernonCars]

Right!!

[@kwaza8574]

The term forgotten in relation to this car is understated !

[@BernonCars]

Yeah man!

[@SURENITY]

Handsome and incredible machine!

[@BernonCars]

Truly 😆

[@Neil542]

Going to make him blush lol

[@troysmith9007]

I just got a 2009 450h sliver with 60k miles and people think it’s a new car 😂 When I tell them it’s 2009 they are shock This is the best design again so well

[@BernonCars]

I'm sure!! Bitchin!! 😂

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

It appears to be in really good condition.

[@BernonCars]

@@imnotusingmyrealname4566 it really was. Pristine!

[@GroupBEJ25]

I have a 2009 GS350 AWD clocking 190k miles still feels like new.

[@BernonCars]

Nicee!

[@GroupBEJ25]

@@BernonCars if you ever want to review it I am in Maryland as well, Germantown!

[@BernonCars]

@GroupBEJ25 oh shit!! Yeah I would! Can you email me? We can link!

[@GroupBEJ25]

@@BernonCars yessir awesome will do thanks!

[@FAKEGSF]

Lexus used many parts from the 350 in the 460. It came with the same heavy wheels, small brakes, small intake, and y pipe exhaust. It would have been way to sporty if they gave it lighter wheels, bbk, and dual intakes/ dual exhaust. They didn't want it to out shine the LS460 or upcoming ISF. Thankfully you can just change all of that!

[@BernonCars]

That's the beauty of Toyota! Haha

[@kurtlewis2069]

Nice review

[@BernonCars]

Thank you much!

[@lucif3r916]

I miss my GS460. Got totaled by a reckless driver. 😢

[@BernonCars]

What a shame!!

[@AlanBuxman]

I had a 2010 gs 350 awd. What a great car. I wanted the v8 but the 6 was plenty strong

[@BernonCars]

Nice! Yeah the 350 is plenty quick haha

[@iheartgs400]

I came close to buying one that had 207K miles but damn it saw better days when I checked the oil on it is was little to zero oil left, I would’ve love to add it in addition to my wife’s 07 GS350 were quite content with. The recession during that era and also Lexus making the 2GR-FSE so good with the GS350 I mean it was barely 180 lbs heavier than the IS350 it was plenty fast for most buyers.

[@BernonCars]

Damn good thing you didn't buy it! Maybe you'll find one one day haha

[@B0RRAC0]

I really wish Lexus brings back the GS-F but make it all wheel drive!

[@BernonCars]

That would be a beast!

[@alechappy2070]

@@BernonCars So would the rest of the World who wants and needs linear power, no eCTV boring revs, batteries and bulk. They are losing the best to go lower emissions and lose the Fun factor.

[@odin5188]

Nice review boss, I've got one of these in the UK with woollen seats like a Toyota century and radar cruise control. The trans ECU in this is nerfed for smoothness than speed. Luckily you can swap the TCU from an ISF plug and plug. Not even the LS can do this. Install a grom Vline 2 and the car seems up to date

[@BernonCars]

Thank you thank you! Wowww what a spec, nice!! That's good there's a way to get some more oomph from these.

[@air-headedaviator1805]

The days before turbocharged 6 cylinders took over for midsize cars. Most V8s in this class didn’t immediately suggest sports sedan, and many V6s of the day were approaching this engines exact power figures, however a premium engine option is all about desirability. Even in pedestrian cars it suggests a more special experience.

[@BernonCars]

Yeah I agree! It's a shame how things are going

[@JDMHaze]

I wasn’t how rare this was until a KZbinr said “I bought the rarest Lexxus” and then I did the research and found out how few of these there are, I was working at a house one day and a lady had one of these she had no idea how few of these there were either

[@damilolaakanni]

They must have detuned the 4.6 for the GS, because I remember that this same engine in the LS makes a bit under 380hp.

[@BernonCars]

I wouldn't be surprised!

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

@@damilolaakanni Yes it's detuned, GS460 350-ish while the LS 460 has almost 400. It was detuned for the AWD LS460 also but not that much.

[@805NAVE]

@@imnotusingmyrealname4566I think LS460 had 382 hp if I remember correctly. I owned an 08 LS. It’s strange they detuned the GS, because for second Gen, the GS430 had 300 hp, while the comparable LS430 with the same engine had a detuned 290 hp. Opposite of the third Gen

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

@@805NAVE Toyota was cool and made a sport sedan, then they became boring and were like woah there buddy not too fast lol

[@noelsaw]

The 1UR in the LS460 has dual air intake filters versus what looks like a single intake based on what I can see in the video. I am sure they also tuned it in software to keep it below the specs of the flagship LS.

[@m.g9282]

I had a 07 350 and I miss it!!! 😢 traded up to a LS460.

[@BernonCars]

LS 460 is nice too!!

[@marvi1515]

Thank you!

[@BernonCars]

And thank you!

[@Mr_Banker222]

What's up Bern, may you do a review on a 2015 Lexus RC 350 FSport RWD? Thanks!

[@tuff77777]

check out a review on my 2015 Lexus RC 350 F sport! - kzbin.info/www/bejne/l6fCXqGsa66gi7ssi=8I_xB_PJkrbpOSwl

[@BernonCars]

I wanna find one soon!!

[@nelsonZeledon]

I have 01 gs430 Love rippin it around Glendale California …hehe

[@BernonCars]

Hell yeah!

[@LexusMercedesRollsRoyceLover]

Hi Bern! Can you do a review of a 2007-2009 Lexus GS450H if you can find one?

[@BernonCars]

I'll try my very best!!

[@LorenzoMoore-zf3ni]

What back road is this and wherw is it? That looks like a real fun road. I live in Baltimore

[@BernonCars]

These are up in Montgomery County in the Olney area!

[@WheeledHamster]

These older Lexus looks 10x times better than the new ones.

[@BernonCars]

I agree!

[@Bluecollar_obs_limo]

Im still torn between this GS,the GS400 previous bodystyle or the LS430 😤🤯 Im in Illinois too so theres not alot of good around 😂

[@BernonCars]

Yeahhh in the market has been getting smaller when it comes to finding one that isn't junk 😭 so many choices! LS 430 is soooo baller

[@prodnus]

LS430 review next?

[@BernonCars]

Hopefully I can find one soon!!

[@Rocca500]

Love this car. Not the fastest but it’s an all round great car. My 460 has almost 200k on it and it drives like new! If u can find one in great shape get it!!!

[@BernonCars]

Excellent choice, I'm sure you've enjoyed it!!

[@productive23]

Have you or has the brake actuator or abs module been replaced yet?

[@Rocca500]

@productive23 not since I’ve had it.

[@productive23]

@@Rocca500 how long have you had it? Going to look at a 08 GS 460 with 188k miles tomorrow for 9k and pretty solid maintenance and not much rust. What do you think about that deal?

[@Rocca500]

@ 18 months now. The only thing I did was the control arms. Paid 7k for mine to use as a daily. I haven’t regretted it.

[@paladain55]

Power gain is from the cams not the direct injection. Direct injection is maybe a 2% gain

[@BernonCars]

Ahhh good to know thanks for noting that!

[@Ben-jz3mt]

If I’m not mistaken, the 2006 GS460 was the first production car with an 8 speed auto

[@DeathhAngel1]

That would be the LS460, also furst car with automatic parking.

[@Ben-jz3mt]

@@DeathhAngel1 Ah. Close. Knew it was a 460 of some sort.

[@BernonCars]

Yeah Lexus was bangin back then!

[@fmgamer6248]

The real question I have can u swap the ecu from the ls460 into the gs460 considering they both have the same engine and transmission. I’ve seen so many in the Lexus threads that people that owned the gs460 got the tcu from the ISF and plugged it into the gs460 making it shit faster/aggressive. In other terms making it more fun. So unless the gs460 and ls460 are identical to each other then in theory I think it can be done but if the ls460 has minor changes compared to the gs460 then maybe it can’t be done but it’s just a theory at the end of the day

[@joekavalauskas8767]

I've heard of people just plug and playing an ISF ecu

[@fmgamer6248]

@@joekavalauskas8767really but does it increase the hp and torque bc like I said before I’ve seen the Lexus threads people just plugging the ISF tcu only onto the gs460.

[@jasonwb6884]

It's direct injection? Any issues with carbon build up? Direct injection typically has issues with carbon.

[@odin5188]

It has both, so no build up

[@BernonCars]

Yeah that's a benefit of port and direct injection!

[@A_guan]

I've been looking for one of these but man are they hard to find and quite expensive for a good example. I wanted to find a gs430 but almost all of them were beat to crap

[@BernonCars]

Yeahhh they're getting so hard to find now. Its a shame!

[@Integrabro]

You should review a 2010 rx350

[@BernonCars]

Soon!!

[@holakuna7969]

E90 550i?

[@BernonCars]

Yeah that was my bad!

[@is250QLD]

❤❤

[@gsxellence]

we know about them, they are just rare and hard to find, with high price and miles to match.

[@iheartgs400]

Such a shame that Lexus couldn’t figure out to shoehorn the dual intake system of the LS460 hence why it didn’t have the extra 40 HP. The lukewarm reviews it got from loyal GS users also killed the 4.6 engine little to zero gain from GS350.

[@BernonCars]

It's a shame, the beginning of the end

[@repreviewforu1239]

E60 550i e90 is the 3 series

[@BernonCars]

Ahh thank you I misspoke!

[@cckid78]

Did not know GS had a 450h.....🤯🙆🏿‍♂️🙆🏿‍♂️🙆🏿‍♂️

[@BernonCars]

Haha a hidden one! 😂

[@flea4061]

Sports sedan?

[@chungus_khan]

I'd hardly call three tenths of one litre "much beefier" 😂

[@BernonCars]

😂😂

[@johnfuller-e5x]

Completely different design. The 460 eats the 430.

[@Albi34___]

Nahh not even close to the greatness that was the Mercedes W211 E Class

[@BernonCars]

Oh no and I never said that haha! I had a W211 and I totally agree

[@user-ew6jy9mo4r]

These were billed as sports sedans but were very boring to drive. All the hardware was there but the tuning dropped the ball. Very nice place to spend time, but if it’s not fun to drive, may as well be fwd and packaged better for space…aka, ES.

[@BernonCars]

An unfortunate mix match of sedans!

[@mloo13]

Dont be duped, the coolant leak internally that these motors are known for will cost a lot to fix! Not reliable at all...

[@BernonCars]

Once it's addressed it can do another 150-200k! Unfortunate downside of the 4.6, like the GX 460

[@tobiasquinn4877]

Show Selena

[@BernonCars]

She's gone I traded her for a NA Miata a while back (sold the Miata too lol)

[@masonchase085]

4 mins uploaded😭

[@BernonCars]

And clicked so fast!!!

[@norp7374]

First 🎉

[@BernonCars]

Lets goooo

[@laithellabban]

4:25 “got rid of that terrible engine” you know the GS300 had the 2JZ right?? lol i can tell you don’t know that much about cars

[@BernonCars]

@@laithellabban right back at you!! Look up 2006-2007 Lexus GS 300 and then get back to me. Smh

[@tomgerard7518]

You should delete this.

[@FAKEGSF]

Bots have trouble with simple facts lmaoo

[@DIY-Mark-3]

I wish I had one

[@BernonCars]

Me too honestly

[@dannoi]

ahahah, got rid of the terrible engine ? the 3L which is exactly the same engine as the 3.5 other than the the displacement ? with all the same issues, like horrible piston rings and cooling issues ?? ))

[@turbolq4]

Direct injection only. Not the same.

[@NinaMango789]

Dude just called a 2j a terrible engine 😅

[@BernonCars]

Do you realize the 3GS never got the 2J??

[@NinaMango789]

@@BernonCars you are incorrect, had turbo applications in other markets, here it had a 2jzge

[@nknasi]

@@BernonCars the early 3GS most definitely did have a non-turbo 2J.

[@BernonCars]

Per Lexus "Sales in the US began in March 2006, with the initial lineup including the GS 300 (GRS190), featuring a ULEV certified 3.0-liter 3GR-FSE V6 engine, and the GS 430 featuring the 4.3-liter V8"

[@nknasi]

@@BernonCars wow that is shocking to me but I can't deny that you're right on this! Today I learned.

[@aaronsnowden6311]

Loved the video, but Lexus is just a over priced Toyota.

[@BernonCars]

Thank you! I mean yeah its the same parent company, but I disagree lol

[@michaelimakfinsky4493]

Cold take 🗣️

[@Methylphenidate2803]

Audi is just over priced VW.

[@alechappy2070]

Yes and then you buy them Ex lease and you Laugh. My Neighbour who had an expensive Euro, drove my X lease 2019 ES 350 V6, Came back, Handed me the Fob and said 'It floats on air, makes no noise and makes me feel like I am a God" I will have one! They are Boringly good for the wallet.

[@linkylion9060]

And so is a Porsche..lambo..audi over price Volkswagen would you say hmm?

[@emotionalintelligence776]

theres no fun in those car thts not their purpose nor do they pretend to be something they are not. They are HIGHWAY cruisers, traveling at speed preferably NOT in Amerika where LE are waiting to supplement their districts income. Lexus is know for building many cars will insane durability as they should considering they use a lot of the Toyota bin. As long as you stay far away their hybrid models youll have years of enjoyment driving in luxury unmatched by even many of todays newer cars.

[@CharlieParker-dz6fv]

Their hybrid models are among their most reliable. Whatchu talking about Willis?