The life cycle of a YouTube pipe presenter

[@NWPipeSmoker]

And this thoughtful, relaxing pipesmoking video is exactly why we do watch. I tend to not respond as much as I probably should, but I've got a busy 'rest of my life' and KZbin is just a small part of it, so I try to keep it in perspective. Over time, as with anything else, there's an ebb and a flow that needs to be accounted for, as well. Thanks for sharing your ideas! -Tom

[@Matches860]

Well Tom, it's so nice to have you come by, I've always been a fan of yours. Now that time has past, I have found that the joy of making a video has remained steady. The ability to keep up with a growing community has left me watching/commenting on just a handful of old favorites...Jay was 100% correct! All the best to you Tom!

[@Matches860]

@41DegreesSouth Thanks for the kind words! I've really gotten quite interested in the whole subject.

[@CrossTimbersSon]

I’m relatively new to pipe smoking and didn’t watch many videos that Matches860 put out before he passed. He seems to embody the saying “Pipe smokers are deep thinkers.” His wisdom and insight encourages a contemplative lifestyle. I am thankful he took the time and effort to leave his wisdom for us.

[@Matches860]

Thanks for watching, we do have many,many squirrels here!

[@Matches860]

@dighsx Thanks for giving me the material to work with! I was honesty concerned that I would foul this up compared to how you presented it...the stages just seemed to roll off your tongue in a way that anyone would have considered you an expert. Many thanks for the comments, I know you're busy LOL.

[@SmokeRingsPipeDreams]

You make some very good points. It's not that we become discontected from the community, it's just that the community has become so big and with thousands of subscriptions it's hard to keep track of all of them sometimes. But I can't see unsubing any of them.

[@Matches860]

@GTFiorano I'll see if I can find a link for you...trying to remember if it came across Twitter, or a Boston news site.Thanks for your nice comment!

[@Matches860]

Well that certainly makes my morning! My very favorite was "My Friend Phil" because I got totally back into days past. My biggest flop was trying to describe my high school experiences in "Trilogy", but that whole week-end was a story in itself LOL. My thanks to you for the kind words, and for joining me as I talk about stuff that matters to me. Cheers my friend!

[@backcountrypipe]

Hello John Great video as always. Great topic as well. I have often thought about a top 10 shout out but have been a bit reserved about it. I often try to do some channel house cleaning few times a year. I also have a priority list of what and who I watch first. I like the phrase you use "evaluating new presenters" So true. Keep up the good work. Regards Mark PS. That is a big squirrel in the background (LOL). Probably rebuilding for winter.

[@HolySmokeNPipePadre]

Good insights! Thanks for posting, John!

[@Matches860]

@DailyPuffer Very true Sir! Thanks for the comments!

[@DailyPuffer]

Some of us take KZbin more seriously than others, invest more time in it than others and expect more in return, subsequently. There need not be a single model or philosophy to live by here. That being said I think you did well sharing your own view on these matters and taking the time to ponder things. I value that.

[@alvinkoh5556]

I agree, it’s the similar situation with me with my philosophy group on Facebook. It’s now over 100,000 and I find I am still relating to only the pioneer batch of supports mostly. It’s an intricate balance to make sure that one’s life and privacy is not disturbed while maintaining the group of interested subscribers. One must learn to be indifferent to negativity while doesn’t appear to be aloof.

[@moejaime2654]

Very interesting about fact about 150 relationships . Matches, I am only a fan of yours and love to listen to your wisdom on pipes and life ! Cheers !!

[@Matches860]

+Moe Jaime Much appreciated Moe!

[@Matches860]

@BigCountryPipe75 Thanks Will! I recall the day you said you were gonna stop making vids, I was so glad to see you come back...everyone has a place here in my opinion.

[@jld3229]

Dear Matches 860, I've enjoyed your videos for sometime and a few weeks ago became a regular subscriber. A few of my favorites vids are your walking sticks, on aging and slowing down and of course this one. Keep it up! you have style and much wisdom. Whenever I need to relax, I usually watch one of your vids. Thanks!

[@KevinTwiner]

9.40 - 9.44 squirrel over left shoulder was awesome. This was brilliant and so true. Been doing videos since 09 and do think a lot of these points you have touched upon have so much relevance. From being a fun pastime to work n worry. Enjoyed your time

[@Matches860]

It can become all consuming! I am always amazed at what people find interesting (or not). Some videos I put much effort into flopped, and a few that I did to kill time were big hits. You just never know!

[@Matches860]

Many thanks! Jay always has a topic that gets you thinking. His insights still hold true I believe.

[@Matches860]

@ocpipeman Wow, that's exciting...can't wait to view it! Now I'll know who you are!

[@Der_Kleine_Mann]

Interesting to watch this Video again today. And nice to see that you are still connected to the pipe community even with 12,400 subs. I wish you and your family a merry Christmas

[@MrSmokeGuy]

I did like the matchbox intro. Nice to see you sitting and enjoying your pipe.

[@dagnerperformance]

Great Video and topic. I will have to go watch Jay's video but I get what your saying. I have noticed some change, but i'm trying to stay as real as possible. Time is the only thing i fight with.

[@SimonLeduc77]

I think that You make an excellent answer here John. As for myself, since I watched the video of Jay, I have deleted my subscriptions to some presenters because I relaised that I wasn't watching them anymore even if they were Big Names here on the community. I consider my subscribers/subscriptions now more like a private circle of good friends with who I can exchange and I am hppy to count You among them! Salut bin! Simon

[@Matches860]

@dunhillmanuk Thank you for watching Mr.Dunhill Man!

[@Matches860]

@hendu3270 I like your positive outlook! Perhaps we all will have a different experience! That small clump of leaves is about ten feet up, I'll have to swat it with a rake for you LOL

[@Matches860]

@snuggan1 Yes, even your favorites change over time. I really miss some of my earlier friends, but I guess time marches on!

[@bonapiper5827]

Interesting introspective look at the dynamics involved with subbing and interacting with other members of a community John. The number you mention (150) was first brought up by Robin Dunbar in the 90's. He's an anthropologist who came up with this number by making a correlation between primate brain size and the average social group a human could entertain in regard of our own brain size.

[@Aristocob]

Great video. I've never felt that a sub automatically obligated a resub, and like you said, many folks who are interested in my vids are into things on theirs that's not of interest to me. I find it interesting that I find myself eventually subbing after a presenter finds their voice. This whole issue is one of the reasons I stopped sharing my favorites and my viewing and commenting history. That and I was uncomfortable with people knowing how much I like to watch the Cowsills.

[@SmokinPipeGuy]

Spot on sir, spot on! As for subscribing to all my subscribers, I too evaluate each one to see if they are presenting video content I would watch or even if they are presenting videos. Many don't even post videos. By the way, you had a squirrel behind you that wanted a little air time. ha! Cheers, Francis

[@rovey887]

Always enjoy your vids. Great content. Be well. Take it easy brother..

[@Matches860]

Thanks so much for joining me!

[@Matches860]

Interesting cycle you have there...I don't believe that was covered LOL. This is such an interesting topic considering YT is still relatively new. I'd love to be a fly on the wall 100 years from now when our videos are being watched by a whole new culture (if there is one).

[@ocpipeman]

I have enjoyed your videos for some time now. You really got me with 'If your commenting and not making videos then I really don't know you' video under this new name. So today I uploaded my first vid. It has poor sound quality, but I'll work that out. Thanks for the kick in the butt. Blessings

[@longlost00]

Well put. I have yet to see, despite all the talk in the comminity, Jay's video. I feel i understand the spirit of it by now, though. I also post less when i'm smoking or buying less tobacco/pipes, which is cyclical in and of itself.

[@Matches860]

@RequiemPipes So you see groups, instead of one group? That's kind of interesting as well.

[@tcbintennessee467]

Interesting and thought provoking video. 👍

[@Matches860]

There was just another video posted recently about following the KZbin algorithms and how the standards for "success" have gone through many changes over the years. It used to be the number of subscribers, then went on to number of views. Currently, you tend to grow, or are recommended by how long you can retain a viewers watch time. Very interesting stuff.

[@tcbintennessee467]

@@Matches860 Oh wow, I didn't know that!

[@SLVshadow]

Good video and follow up thoughts to Jays video. Also, I like the squirrel in the background around 9:40 :D

[@Matches860]

@JogiExperience Yeah, some times I like to watch an old friend, sometimes a new guy, and sometimes I even like to listen to a foreign language LOL.

[@piperevival]

Some well thought out points you made, John. Jay's video was indeed thought provoking. It made me wonder again if there are some social scientists who study KZbin communities. LOL.

[@Matches860]

@SatelliteHeartTrans LOL, that was my reaction as well, but as many have said, every channel and presenter are different. It's difficult to have across the board outcomes.

[@GhostCob]

Good job John. Very educational.. Keep it Lit...

[@Matches860]

Thanks for watching Buddy!

[@RequiemPipes]

Expressing it very simplistically, the community began as a small condominium, some 3 years ago, then became a small village and his now a large town... people naturally can't walk around everywhere and everytime and start hanging more on their neighbourhood (while some just go to the mountains, like Bentbilliard - the first time I saw this matter lightly adressed was in a Dub's video and I commented very similiarly to now). What's very interesting, in my perspective is the way ...(cont)

[@GTFiorano]

ooh do you have this article linked or can you post it (or reference) somewhere? I would love to read this. good points. but total 'social network' friends are certainly different than friend you have to take time and meet face to face which is a significant time investment and 150 people i could handle, but yes I have my 'core' group which i like to see and discuss with. great topic and great presentation by the way.

[@oleberg615]

John your living proof that he's not right you have 8 k subs and your doing just fine , it looks like your still having fun you have meet ups with presenters quite often I see you comment on newbies , you've been around a long time your a Rock star in the YTPC , I have 570 SUBS only 8 to 10 % watch 1% comment but the subs are cool youtube is part of the pipe smoking Hobby for me I really enjoy meeting new people through my channel , I think when we sub some one new in the YTPC it lets them know they are part of the community we can't watch them all but they are in the community , the notification button helps me with my favorite channels , take care and keep on choochin my friend

[@Matches860]

LOL, Jay is still on as well! What happens after 500 or 1000 subs is debatable, but in general he presents quite a few valid benchmarks. It's been a fun ride, and as long as it stays fun, I'll be around.

[@oleberg615]

I hope its a long long tine time , it wouldn't be the same with out Matches 860 , come see us when you get time and keep on choochin my friend

[@Matches860]

@StogieFarts Thanks Jeff, it is very interesting to compare how we have changed over the months. Yes, I don't mind telling everyone that you are one presenter I never miss. No more names than yours though LOL.

[@Matches860]

@Psychlas Thanks Jens, I think the internet relationships are what you make them. It is very much different from the real world however.

[@Matches860]

@enderswatch Very interesting point here, in that an online relationship is not necessarily the same as societal as we know it. Perhaps this is worthy of a future video. The Savinelli is a second, or reject, due to putty fills. My understanding is that a Rhodesian has a diamond shank and has a sharper angle from bowl to bowl top (rim). I call this a bulldog, whether that's correct or not.

[@Matches860]

@LightYerPipe When you equate KZbin to television channels, a lot of things make sense as far as viewing goes. I guess the fact that there is one individual behind each YT channel makes that aspect a bit different from TV. Interesting stuff for sure Colin.

[@Matches860]

@RequiemPipes Thanks for all that insight Sir!

[@Matches860]

@MrDieselSmokin Jeeze, had I just started talking to you on the street, you'd think you were talking to an idiot! I have to rehearse all this stuff because I don't do well speaking off the cuff. But thanks for the kind words!

[@Matches860]

@MrSmokeGuy I had been sawing some limbs and raking leaves right before this, so it felt great to sit and spout off!

[@Matches860]

@Seoulsmoke Now that you mention it, YT is giving me a hassle finding your channel page. I'll try to subscribe again!

[@terryloveuk]

Interesting. I'd like to hear what other "old hand"think and feel on this life cycle, relationships topic is. I still am and feel like the new kid in school here and I'm interested in what other have and are getting out of being on here and how they cope with and use this outlet and way of sharing their "hobby" (pipes, tobacco and smoking). In a way I guess I'm looking how it fits into my life, and how and where I can best fit in to it. Food for thought

[@MikeReed]

I know with my channel, it is a full time job. I love it, but the vids I watch each day can go from 30 to 60 vids. That is allot of time. It is a interesting topic, and I hink everyone sees it slightly different. Great vid my friend!

[@richardwallace4509]

Hi I like your comments keep it up great storyteller I like the fact you do them outside. Aceice.

[@Matches860]

Thanks Richard! I love being outdoors and the stories seem to flow much better for me than when I'm stuck indoors. Another month and a half and I'll be back outside!

[@RequiemPipes]

Just one more point - the biggest difference in the community, when comparing it now and two years ago, is that those "groups" were not necessary back then (because there wasn't as many presenters as there is nowadays) and in result there was a very diversified group of people constantly and cohesively interacting... I think that kind of transversal interaction is somewhat vanishing.

[@41DegreesSouth]

@Matches860 Surely someone must be doing it on youtube already - I know that back when I was studying, one of my lecturers used online forums (explicitly - btw, it's not considered ethical to study communities covertly) in his research. I also know that lots of really fascinating research has been done on world of warcraft communities. Great video John - I knew it would be good, and have been saving it till now. I wasnt disappointed :)

[@SchmumpkinII]

I agree with much of what you said. I don't smoke pipes or tobacco of any sort, but to me, it's the way someone can tell a story, share a point of view, etc. I (try to) do a lot of kinds of videos, but mine tend to be inspiraitonal. Some like that, some don't and I "get that" totally. As far as numbers, I see what the author of the article is saying, but I figure if it's important enough for me (and I'm saying this about me only) I'll keep up the best I can no matter the number who watch.

[@HWoodCreations]

John, If you film in this location again, and the small branch hanging past your right ear is still there, go knock that damn thing down. I kept thinking it was a dead racoon hanging there swaying in the wind. LOL. Great video. This is still a pretty interesting topic. Everyone has a different point at which they become overwhelmed in dealing with subscribers, comments, etc. so the numbers (continued)

[@Matches860]

@HolySmokeNPipePadre And thank you for watching HSPP!

[@Matches860]

@SimonLeduc77 Thanks for not chopping me off! LOL. As others have said, we all can manage our channels as we wish.

[@Matches860]

@oro830 Yes, everyone will run their activities differently, as much as we'd all like to see some sort of set standard. I don't have a problem with anyone not making videos, I still subscribe because they could decide to start at anytime. Thanks for the comments!

[@Matches860]

@truckpipe Thanks Gregg, there certainly are a variety of opinions on these points...I've learned quite a bit from reading everyones responses.

[@Matches860]

@terryloveuk Yes Terry Yes! It seems as though (from comments thus far) YT means something different to each presenter. How it fits into ones life, and why one even does this is an interesting topic for sure.

[@Matches860]

@SmokeRingsPipeDreams Yeah, I have a problem with dumping a subscription unless I know that the person has dropped out for good.

[@Matches860]

@Seoulsmoke Yeah, it come up as channel not available...something's not right.

[@Matches860]

LOL, Nothing wrong with the Cowsills...well there wasn't 40 years ago! I have since noticed a few other things common to YT presenters, I'll have to do a follow up one of these days.

[@oro830]

Hi Mike Interesting reflections. I think at some point you must make a decision to limit your activities, otherwise this could be a full time job. So just do it like you find it ok. It is your channel! I for myself doing no videos, but I subscribe to interesting channels like yours;-). On such channels I post my positive impressions to thank for the videos and encourage the producer to make more of them. But I have never I problem if somone has no time to answer to my comments. Greetings Reto

[@Matches860]

@PipeSmokeontheHudson As someone has pointed out though, there are differences to online relationships and those that are face to face. It's all worth pondering though.

[@Matches860]

@dagnerperformance I don't know how you guys keep up with everybody...wait a minute...there's two of you LOL.

[@Matches860]

@SmokinPipeGuy We have squirrels like you wouldn't believe...in about 10 minutes just looking in the yard, I bet you'd see a dozen.

[@Matches860]

@kb1nyd And I am familiar with the ShayTards & Charles Trippy who get millions of views over a few days time. They are still making vids,doing very well, but it is a full time job. So I guess the next question is, if you get that succesful, but don't want to be in it full time, do you have to quit?

[@drhambrick]

You really demonstrate how much of a gentleman you are by your statement at 9:34 *SQUIRREL!!!!*

[@Matches860]

@SchmumpkinII As others have pointed out you need to take that information with a grain of salt. As I'm sure you are aware, there are KZbinrs who have a million subs & views and they are still going strong.

[@truckpipe]

I hear you, I don't have that many subscribers. I have gone through my subscriptions and eliminated a few that were just not interesting or down right annoying. I have until recently subbed everyone that subs me. I now check their channel first before I subscribe, but I always thank them for subbing. Some excellent points and opinions. thanks, gregg

[@HWoodCreations]

@Matches860 Thanks John. I would REALLY appreciate it. lol Have a great weekend!

[@Matches860]

@piperevival No there's a good question! The study of a video based community...someone could have a field day!

[@Matches860]

@backcountrypipe I'm not big on rocking the boat either Mark, so I'll let that top ten list go for a while. Squirrels around here need some sort of natural control to trim the population...they're everywhere.

[@RequiemPipes]

@Matches860 So far there was only one declared group (BOTS) but the tendency to "informally" gather is noticeable... although it doesn't mean the inexistence of the big group/community as a whole. If you pay attention to it, each one of your "ten favorites" probably shares several "favorites" with you and with each other.

[@Matches860]

@pfh3 Somehow a squirrel always gets into my videos...they're overpopulated here.

[@snuggan1]

Before i had plenty,no i have you and around 20,thats are good to me. Take care. Olle

[@deckard97th]

Informative & thought provoking for the wanna-be presenter - thank you, as always, John!

[@Matches860]

You can thank Jay, DIGHSX, I merely echoed his work!

[@Knautschfriese]

Interesting, with my poor English i think i understand it. The Internet is no Place for a real Relationship. Its a cold Place where you are quite fast forgotten when you stop to make Videos. For me the Internet, the Persons i have subscribe is the Possibility to learn. Get Information about Tobacco, Pipes and so on. For me is a realationship nothing that grews in a few Days, or a Month. thanks for this good Video and your Opinion. greetings from East Frisia, Germany Jens

[@Matches860]

@ADzPipes I'd say you made a few good points yourself (sweetheart)LOL.

[@Matches860]

@PAPIPEGUY Mike, I don't think there's a right or wrong answer here. It's your channel and you should do as you wish.

[@mikaelandersson1288]

Did you notice the squirrel? 9:33 to 9:45

[@MikeReed]

@Matches860 I think you would have decided on quiting long before you would gotten to that level. But that time, your in it for the long haul I think!

[@HWoodCreations]

would definitely vary from what everyone says. The difference is how everyone deals with it, when and if, they reach that point. I think some (very few) may just buckle down and "get-r-done", some may revert back to only delaing with the handful of thier "originals" and then others just give up and stop producing videos. I don't think they leave entirely, but I think at that point they probably only watch. This is just my opinion of course and I still consider myself to be one of the NOOBS here.

[@richardwallace4509]

Coming from England.aceice.

[@DailyPuffer]

The workings of society cannot be properly analyzed using a narrow, single-minded point of view; in fact it is in this acceptance of diversity that we begin to understand it. Each presenter around here socializes in a manner that is similar to that which he or she socialize in other communities they belong to. There exist no rules but those we find to be agreeable, proper or even indispensable for ourselves. We tread our own path and deal with the consequences of our acts accordingly.

[@Matches860]

@538921 I wouldn't mind just answering comments, or just making videos. I'd like to just watch videos....but doing them all gets to be too much some days.

[@joeyh9926]

Plain and simple, you just can't possibly answer everybody, or comment on everyone's videos. I certainly don't have time for that, and don't expect anyone else to feel obligated to do that for me. It's just KZbin! Hahaha I hope you are well.

[@Matches860]

I still make every effort to respond to comments on my videos. I'm afraid I've fallen way off on watching others videos though.

[@41DegreesSouth]

I'm with you on re-subbing too.

[@P4TR14RCH]

I would be curious to know, 2 years later, if your view has changed at all since this video? I have to think that you've only gained more success and more subscribers since then!

[@Matches860]

Very good question and I should probably do a follow up on this video. More subs for sure, and less time to watch videos. I still enjoy watching pipers first intro. videos, but I do tend to closely follow the same dozen I started with.

[@Matches860]

@538921 LMAO!

[@bilaltariq50]

youtube should pay atleast to make it worth the effort ...after all the content creaor is creatng contents and has viewership

[@Seoulsmoke]

@Matches860 Maybe I've been blacklisted?

[@Seoulsmoke]

Totally agree, sub back and take it from there. For me it's all a time issue, cause I don't have enough of it free.

[@fredstraw]

Did your mustache fall off

[@Matches860]

I shaved it off mid 90's and grew it back not long after this.