The Life & Teachings Of Johnathan Edwards: Interview With Sam Storms

[@Erik_Danley]

God bless you guys for this great episode. I love how you all interacted with one another, plus it was great to hear Sam talk about Edwards

[@brendaboykin3281]

Thank you, Gentlemen 🌹🌹🌹🌹

[@galeholt6319]

I find it funny when the older guest just don’t get or respond to your humor.😂

[@Henriette-van-der-Ende]

A very enlightening episode.👍🏻 Especially the iconic background and halo above Dr Storms. 😁😉

[@sherryannutto855]

So grateful for you guys! Great topic! Deeply appreciate Johnathan Edward's ❤️👍

[@LearndingLife]

Oh no Eddy sinned! Well thank god none of us have done that! I really want a sarcasm font. Thank you for doing this! It's nice to hear about them and about the history of the church and get it from an honest view: We're all broken people in need of the Healing Hands of our GOD. Chasing after HIM as HE pursues us; with all our Lev, Nefesh, and Me'od!

[@LearndingLife]

Well said at the end Josh!

[@MaryTitus-ch8qu]

Like there's sin but like if you're claiming to be aghast by people bring kidnapped but then you buy a slave thats bizarre. I struggle with smoking. It's not the same thing as me owning another human being as property. I try to be charitable but like treat your neighbor as yourself seems to have been lost on these people. Jonathan Edwards couldnt comprehend what the the idea of being bought by another human being perpetually enslaved then buy all means so im going to assume it was an actual deficiency on his moral character. I've done plenty of things wrong, I've hurt people but I can usually understand WHY those things are hurtful.

[@redrider5832]

Thank you

[@thebark_barx6231]

@The Remnant radio It would be a great video now to either get something on John Wesley or Jacob Arminius. For Jacob Arminius I would recommend y’all to reach out to Dr. J. Matthew Pinson the president of Welch College. He latest popular interview was done with Leighton Flowers. Anyway, Pinson has studied him well.

[@winonahart]

Rowntree, you and Josh should dedicate an episode to Josh's current stance on the five points. It would be an interesting conversation.

[@Abbashousepsl]

Is Josh a Calvinist now?

[@winonahart]

@Martin Reinhardt no. I'm just curious of his stance on the five points.

[@jeremeydwinell1316]

Love the show guys GOD BLESS!

[@cindymorris564]

I took a history class at George Mason a few years ago about George Washington and something taught in the class really enlightened me to this issue - that slave owners who were kind to their slaves and treated them well, were considered a blessing and protective since slavery was legal and they needed kind/godly owners.

[@duncescotus2342]

Go take a field trip to a plantation, and note the slave quarters vs the house. And then remember that we're all family.

[@brendaboykin3281]

Cindy Morris: "hmmmmm..." said the African-American descendant of slaves🤔

[@duncescotus2342]

@@brendaboykin3281 Exactly. Enough time has passed for our nation's apologists to fess up.

[@TheIcanntspel]

Josh's joke at 31:18 is top tier comedy.

[@TheIcanntspel]

Josh is that you who just liked this comment from the Remnant account?

[@joelfields9807]

Also, I love Edward's, though I'm not a Calvinist. I love the religious affections.

[@aronburrell3792]

Someone mentioned to me today through Facebook comments that Edwards and spurgeon “preached a strange gospel far from Christ” I told him he needed to back that up with evidence, and that I would sooner believe he preached a strange gospel.

[@zachsilver3598]

Please bring in a specialist on Tozer!

[@Corinna_Schuett_GER]

Yes, and how he treated his family and wife. Duh...

[@Wesley.Grapes]

After Edwards preached Sinners in the hands of and angry God, it is reported that people cried out "save me from wrath" which has been attributed to the work of the spirit and perhaps it was. But it may have been a work of Edwards. I mean, of course you would cry out save me if you heard God was dangling you over Hell and could let go at a moments notice. I always thought that that sermon was a mixture of the culture of the times and off theology. I could be wrong there but that sermon really confuses me..and to add, I do believe in wrath and the judgment. But one psalm that all of the Edward fans use, seems to be reaching a bit to try justify Edwards off sermon. The fact that God came in the flesh and dwelt among us shows that he withheld his wrath and offers grace until the appointed time

[@romans828.]

God says; 1 Cor 1 18-19 I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.” so there's that. Forgive me but when we need to preface who we are by first listing our degrees and the number of books we've written and how long we've preached or taught I think there is a manifestation of something going on.

[@burndoggiest]

"Continuous Creation" is weird. Makes another strong point for questioning Pastor Edwards. Great interview with an intellectual that studied the 18th century theologian.

[@Corinna_Schuett_GER]

I think this was kind of a "mind gym" for Edwards where he just lost it. 😆

[@retailwarrior1502]

You should get Dr. Gerald McDermott on the show. He has done books on Anglicanism, Jonathan Edwards, Israel, etc. He also did a book called God’s Rivals that would be up your alley.

[@watchmanbob3864]

Wonderful, informative discussion. I have very little understanding of the depth of the faith, knowledge, and devotion of these 18th century Saints. It makes my "Christianity" seem very shallow.

[@Corinna_Schuett_GER]

I know what you mean. Although today, we rather live in an era of fulfilling prophecy which is in itself VERY deep to study and likewise humbling. Those guys didn't yet know much about that in their era. It's a different perspective onto God and his ways, not comparable but complementing each other.

[@watchmanbob3864]

@@Corinna_Schuett_GER Yes, I agree. Understanding current events in the light of Bible prophecy, and what our Heavenly Father wants us to do about it, is very important. In fact, that's what my ministry is all about.

[@joelfields9807]

Have you ever had anyone on the show that holds to Molinism? I would love to see that discussion. I would recommend Dr Kirk MacGregor (a personal friend and mentor of mine).

[@davevandervelde4799]

Our pastor for years talked about his 5 dead guys and Edwards was of coarse one of them. He passed away in 2018 and I wish now I had paid better attention. Thank you for this conversation . My wife got me a condensed book of sermons from Edwards last Christmas called "A Journey Toward Heaven" edited by Dustin Benge. Really nice to have as it is a daily devotional and an easy read. I would like to point a few things out in defense of the slavery issue, it seems that definitions of terms is absolutely necessary to understand a topic. The term slavery is used in the Bible and not condemned but it is not chattel slavery. If Edwards held no racist views then I cant see how what he did was wrong especially considering the time period. My wife's mother from Holland was in Indonesia as a child and they had local people as servants all the time. They treated them very well and became very much a part of the family. When she got back to Holland after the war they were accused of taking advantage of these people ,but they really had not.

[@ericedwards8902]

Did your mother-in-law pay the people who were her "servants" a fair wage? Were they free to leave her emply if they so chose or they weren't happy with working conditions? Were they considered a part of her net worth? Sorry, but even if you are trying to define terms (which is always a useful pursuit) Mr. Edwards's participation in slavery in the US only took on one form, chattel slavery. Mr. Edwards did not have to espouse any racist views, but holding other humans as property and treating them as beasts of burden is the ACTING OUT of racist views. It doesn't matter that you don't call me inferior if you treat me as such; as my dear granfather used to say "You can show me better than you can tell me," and Mr. Edwards' actions showed better than words could say.

[@davevandervelde4799]

@@ericedwards8902 Thank you I agree with you completely. I believe they were paid and often given food to bring home to their families also. Hard to imagine the idea of owning someone . I am trying to learn alot about the history of the church and understanding the era is necessary to understand the actions taken by some people. That is not to condone anything but to try to understand it.

[@ericedwards8902]

@@davevandervelde4799 please accept my apologies for my tone, because I shouldn't have addressed you in a manner that seems disrespectful as I reflect on it. My frustration was not with you specifically, but with a tendency I am seeing in the modern church that wants to blame the failures of those in the past on the time they lived in. But Christians are without that excuse, because if we go down that road we will have to extend the same "grace" to people in our time that bend the knee to the spirit of this age. We are called to be salt and light in this world, no matter the time we live in.

[@davevandervelde4799]

@@ericedwards8902 I appreciate your apology so thank you. I have done exactly the same thing and answered with a tone that was not called for ( although sometimes maybe it is 😊) The pastor I mentioned was such a gracious man and theologically very sound. I grew up in a less gracious church so I have a lot to learn. I have been taking a Christian counselling coarse this year to be able to guide people in their life and to get biblical answers to their questions. Discernment is so lacking in Christians today it seems that people dont want to discuss hard subjects. We also need to understand how we got to this point in the church and in society.

[@Corinna_Schuett_GER]

@@davevandervelde4799 I understand the point of "slavery" at the time of Paul from the Roman perspective and there were indeed slaves e.g. of aristocrats that lived much better than others that were not slaves. (This was also Gods perspective in the OT already see Exodus 21 and the servant that didn't want to go out free.) They we're given education, high ranks and a good life including their own families, there were teachers and doctors among them. It always depended on their master of course so this is the point the apostle Paul is making about being a 'slave' (doulos) to Christ instead of Sin. The LORD Jesus is the best of best "lords" or "masters" anyone can ever have. There's a great book of John MacArthur on the biblical "Slave" which is the title also. 🙏

[@Yaas_ok123]

Review Adam Harwood's systematic theology !

[@DebbieSparrow]

So many books on prayer

[@sharondailey667]

Time would be better spent studying the Word rather than deep diving into Edwards. The Word confirms itself, and the Holy Spirit rightly teaches so that we can discern truth and doctrine.

[@retailwarrior1502]

Those books all sound good.

[@rolypoly7143]

Tell Sam to look at Michael card's study on Hesed of God

[@SuperKatiki]

The condemnation of people in the past owning slaves is always odd to me, as most of the time those condemnations are being made by people on devices, wearing clothes, and surrounded by objects likely made with slave labor. Slavery is wrong, but instead of focusing on dead men participating in it we should probably be more concerned with our own current participation in it.

[@Corinna_Schuett_GER]

Wasn't David Brainerd his son-in-law or at least fiancee of one of his daughters? He was also known for ministering to the Native Americans and died early in Edwards home.

[@ccavicch]

Remnant, once again

[@IAmPaulKoh]

Remnant Radio has been integral in my increasing desire to delve into church history and the teachings of men and women of God in times past. I recognize the necessity of learning from past successes and failures and incorporating those into my own life and ministry, as well as the love of the truth and doctrine. Thank you guys for your service to the body of Christ! May the Lord bless and increase your ministry.

[@1984SheepDog]

For 3 dollars you can get all of the church fathers, pre and post nicea, on kindle. I recommend using a PC to read it though since it's hard to navigate. Don't be afraid to look at primary sources for yourself, its mostly not too difficult. And when it is too boring I just move on. God bless.

[@IAmPaulKoh]

@@1984SheepDog seriously? What incredibly accessible and useful information, thank you!

[@1984SheepDog]

@@IAmPaulKoh good luck!

[@josephjohnson7202]

Write a book on casting out demons

[@DebbieSparrow]

What's the best book I can read about J Edwards???

[@steveparker1580]

Have not been able to find the show on the Distinguishing Marks of the Holy Spirit.

[@emf49]

The timing is out of sync in this video.

[@jophillips111]

Steadfast love of God

[@sarahkokura6349]

For sure edwards should have known. Also, if it was before the revolution, he’s not American, he’s British…☺️ and belongs to the commonwealth. 🤭 also, it’s petty…. It’s indigenous, not native Indians. I find it interesting he had a major ministry with the indigenous, but was a slave owner, but indigenous people were also sold and traded in the slave trade in America. However, I agree. Don’t cancel, but I think it’s okay to critic past people. Not white wash it. Otherwise it looks like we are hiding something. It’s about humility. Greatest mind, but had a major flaw. You can know and read many languages and not understand the Imago Dei and justify owning someone instead of giving someone meaningful employment.

[@rodnajean9508]

How do we know then what he is saying if no one can decipher his writing?

[@suiko2fan2]

Nice way to deal with all that Beth Moore tweeted the other day guys without having to use her name.

[@augustinian2018]

7:25 Jonathan Edwards or John Owen the greatest mind(s) in the history of the church? I’m not sure I’d even rate them among the top ten. Above Edwards and Owen (in roughly chronological order) I’d at the very least put Origen, Gregory of Nazianzus, Augustine, Cyril of Alexandria, Maximus the Confessor, Anselm of Canterbury, Thomas Aquinas, John Duns Scotus, Martin Luther, John Calvin, Johann Gerhard, Gottfried Leibniz, Alvin Plantinga, and N.T. Wright, to name a few. Even in their own day, Edwards and Owen were simply outclassed by Gottfried Leibniz; Leibniz was simply a better philosopher, mathematician, and, dare I say, theologian.

[@Corinna_Schuett_GER]

Augustine?? Canterbury??Thomas Aquinus??? Those kind of who spoiled the true and simple FAITH by gnosticism and philosophy?

[@augustinian2018]

@@Corinna_Schuett_GER The claim I was responding to (the reason why I tagged the 7:25 mark) was that ‘Jonathan Edwards was the greatest mind in the history of the church.’ Sam Storm, the man being interviewed, made this claim on the basis that Edwards wasn’t just a theologian but was also a philosopher, scientist, and mathematician (whereas he held that John Owen, preferred by J.I. Packer, was more just an exegete and theologian, albeit, one who made use of philosophy as well in defending doctrines like limited atonement-the idea that Jesus didn’t die for the sins of the whole world-a philosophical notion I vehemently reject). The folks I listed were all either brilliant theologians who have shaped the course of Christian theology (for better or worse) or brilliant multi-disciplinarians who made significant contributions other fields in addition to theology. My point was that while Edwards might have dabbled in other fields, he didn’t make significant contributions to them. In Theology, he is most noted for essentially restating Calvinism’s view that repentance is contemporaneous with yet logically subsequent to regeneration in terms of early modern philosophy, developing the notion of a ‘conversion experience’ that is so common among those in the Evangelical tradition today. I didn’t see this as significant enough to place him in the top ten, as similar thinkers, e.g. Soren Kierkegaard, said much the same thing in other contexts, in that case transforming the Pietist tradition into Existentialism. In both cases, I can detect notes of what one might call Gnosticism, if one uses the term loosely and invectively. I am curious, though, in what way you find Augustine of Hippo, Anselm of Canterbury, and Thomas Aquinas to be guilty of Gnosticizing Christianity? The various forms of Gnosticism that split off from early Christianity, drawing on Platonic philosophy, generally held that the created world of matter is inferior to spiritual/psychological realities and that salvation is escape from the created world of matter to a disembodied eternal life of the soul in heaven, achieved through a spiritual enlightenment/acquiring secret knowledge. Christians, naturally, affirm that the created world of matter is good because God made it (and not some lesser deity/demiurge, as many Gnostics claimed), and the Christian hope is likewise that God will raise us from the dead on the last day (just as Jesus was raised from the dead) to live an embodied life in the presence of God in the new/restored created world of matter for all eternity. Some very early Greek Christians in Corinth, still clinging to a more Greek view of the afterlife, rejected this Jewish view of bodily resurrection to embodied eternal life in the new creation (e.g. Job 19:25-27, Isaiah 65:17, Isaiah 66:22, Ezekiel 37, Romans 6:3-5, Romans 8:18-25, 1 Corinthians 15, Revelation 21:1-4, etc) maintained universally among early Christians; this was why Paul wrote 1 Corinthians 15, e.g. 15:12, “Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?” Given that all the thinkers I listed affirmed the goodness of creation and bodily resurrection to an embodied eternal life, I’m curious, then, why do you charge them with Gnosticism/Gnosticizing the faith? You’re correct that they incorporated philosophical reasoning into their theology, but so did Jonathan Edwards, John Owen, and Paul, for that matter. But Gnosticism? I’m curious to know what precisely you mean by that charge.

[@Corinna_Schuett_GER]

@@augustinian2018 I won't have an academic debate about that. I only discern between true and false brethren of mine, if they are born again in Gods Spirit or not, if their heart is with or against God, if they follow or create false doctrine and teaching of the Bible or not.

[@augustinian2018]

@@Corinna_Schuett_GER Just so I’m understanding you clearly-you are sincerely questioning the faith and salvation of Augustine, Anselm, and Thomas Aquinas, three of the most learned and godly men whom God has ever called to the ministry? I certainly don’t agree with everything they wrote, but publicly questioning the faith and salvation of professing, baptized believers like Augustine, Anselm, and Thomas Aquinas is a serious charge, one that should not be made lightly and without evidence. You should at least be prepared to defend that claim if you make or insinuate it.

[@cameronc1509]

14:11 ….. I’m gonna say something radical here…. Owing slaves in and of itself was not a sin

[@doomerquiet1909]

I agree. I would also agree that the system of american slavery and european slavery of africas was immoral, as they were the product of manstealing. Biblical examples of slavery permitted are if someone is poor and needs lodging for their family they work for you for basically room and provision, and a conquered people becoming your slaves after conflict. But no not everyone who owned slaves was an evil slave master that hated their slaves and mistreated them, and i think we should all be grateful that this practice is really unnecessary for us in the west today.

[@brendaboykin3281]

Cameron: is it NOW a sin? Or do you still condone it? Please give that little lecture in a African-American orthodox Trinitarian church and spread the love.🤔 Spurgeon despised chattel slavery.

[@jamiejay7633]

Who cares if he owned slaves? It was legal at the time and I'm sure he treated them well.

[@michaeljacobs4329]

Stockbridge-Munsee Mohicans

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Wikipedia: "Jonathan Edwards (October 5, 1703 - March 22, 1758) was an American revivalist preacher, philosopher, and Congregationalist theologian who wrote "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" Like Edwards' other works, it combines vivid imagery of Hell with observations of the world and citations of Biblical scripture. Edwards' role as an enslaver and advocate of slavery has been the subject of recent controversy" My comment: There is no evidence that anything Edwards ever said or wrote is true.

[@DannyYt-y5h]

Jonathan, no “h”

[@johncampbell463]

What is really cool is Edwards and George Whitefield had a very healthy relationship even tho they diverged on a few major points of a man made theological system called Calvinism.

[@ericedwards8902]

I'm sorry but right and wrong are evident to us all, and the "times one lives in" are no excuse for wrongdoing. I am not for "cancelling" Johnathan Edwards, but am all for saying that slaveholding was wrong no matter who did it and when. Slave owneship was sinful in 1619, 1719, 1819, and 2023. But hey, Edwards had a lot of kids and needed a lot of help, so slavery! Gimme a break, people. Don't cancel him, just read him with a grain of salt.

[@Abbashousepsl]

Josh, go back and watch your disgust w Copeland at Bethel and how you goofily chuckle at Edwards vile writing. Even Rountree had to reluctantly admit it was unacceptable. And the breathless pandering to the legacy of someone who died hundreds of years ago…??? I don’t get it. Edwards Soteriology ❌ Edwards Slavery Stance ❌ Edwards Words ❌ But….that was the culture. Ok, so if one your big objections w Copeland is prosperity gospel, isn’t he saturated in consumerism in 20/21st century America? No grace there, just visible disgust. For the record, Copeland gives me the willies most of the time. Not a fan by any stretch nor defending. I’m really confused by the way the show’s evolved over the last 12-18 months. You guys claim to call balls and strikes, but you either have an inconsistent strike zone or you’re not really good at being umpires. You’re the thing you claim you’re not, discernment ministry. If it walks and talks like duck, then it’s a ….👌🏻 Do you guys plan on having Chandler back on to talk about his indecencies? Rountree did you have the same facial disgust for Matt that you did for Bolz, because he wasn’t specific enough for you? Does Matt get a free pass because he’s Josh’s pastor? Josh did you ring Chandler up, or did you call ball 4 on a fastball right down the middle for strike 3. Get out of your own echo chamber guys. We don’t give you guys extra credit because you’re allegedly charismatic criticizing other Charasmatics. For 2024, when you do a Prophetic Review, skip the usual suspects, the low hanging fruit. We want to grade Josh, Rountree, and Miller’s prophecies from 2023. If you guys are advertising that you teach the spiritual gifts, do what all good teachers say even when the answer right, “show me your work”. As a fellow lifelong Charismatic, I say, you first Josh. Teach us the answer but show us your work. I mean that sincerely.

[@gareth2736]

Agree. John Wesley was born in the same year and he knew that slavery was wrong so man of his time arguments do fall flat.

[@annaboshier6680]

Isn’t this exactly what Dr Storms said?

[@ericedwards8902]

@@annaboshier6680 it seems to me that Dr. Storms was doing a good bit of qualifying, talking about how the Edwards family had a bunch of kids and needed help. Or how well he treated his slaves. Or how he was against the slave trade. None of those things mitigate the fact that he thought it was perfectly fine to OWN another human being! Especially when others of his same era knew it was rong, said it was wrong, and did not particpate in said system!

[@alyssam702]

@Eric Edwards im curios what are your thoughts about slavery in the bible. If owning a slave is absolutely sinful, why doesn't God through Paul command slave owners in the new testament to let all their slaves go? (Im not advocating for slavery, but just asking because i haven't seen where the bible condemns slavery, i only see where it condemns harsh treatment and man stealing)

[@Richard_Rz]

Funny how Storms thinks the Calvinist God is somehow bigger. He forgets that He can be knocked over by a "Rogue molecule" according to Sproul and others. He is incapable of making free willed creatures.

[@romans828.]

Calvin did some horrible things to his rivals and others in Vienna Look that up.

[@daystar39]

He is rightly celebrated and honored today...but in his day he was reviled...the things they said about him they say now about Randy Clark and practically all the revival movements from Toronto , Pensacola, Kansas City and the Vineyard...if the Lord tarries in 200 years John Wimber will be celebrated like him....his wife got wrecked Toronto style for days....shaking, trembling and wrecked by the Holy Spirit....I went to a Presbyterian seminary ...2 of them...and his history has been scrubbed by modern Calvinist and fundamentalist.....too bad....Lord raise up another one and even more

[@Whatsittuya407]

Lost my respect for storms when I saw him defending Benny Hinn

[@tookie36]

Benny Hinn doesn’t own slaves so there is that

[@Whatsittuya407]

@@tookie36 I’m confused. Maybe you had just woken up from a nap when you made that comment and weren’t fully there

[@tookie36]

Everyone’s a relativist when it comes to slavery 😂

[@duncescotus2342]

Edwards was dim bulb Calvinist and even he got the Spirit.

[@kenbarber6592]

Johnathan Edwards, one of the great stalwarts of the legalistic catastrophe that is ‘Evangelical Christianity’ - which is neither. I thank God our Father that he has long since been accepted in the beloved and learned that “God is love”, and what the term “love that never fails” means.