The Liminal Philosophy of Mark Fisher: The Weird and the Eerie

[@epochphilosophy]

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[@galacticpouney2121]

Hello I've watched a lot of your videos which I've enjoyed alot. I have one question. Why do some of your videos have no comments, but KZbin recommendations for further reading and explanation and is there a way to access the comment section? Thanks again for the videos.

[@TheKingWhoWins]

Also Seriously R.I.P Mark Fisher.

[@Kosmo999]

Still so heart breaking

[@malice4422]

existence in this era is just unsettling. your channel is one of the things that put me more at ease. especially the mark fisher videos, this was great

[@neuroprodukt]

Thanks for making another episode on Fisher and this underrated text. Also, I wanna point out: the editing / motion design in this one is fantastic.

[@epochphilosophy]

Thanks so much!

[@basic_chain]

"With the presence of the weird, maybe novelty is possible" I feel this deeply, and I think personally it's why I'm so enamored with weird/surreal movies and experimental music. It's not like I enjoy weirdness for weirdness' sake, but rather weirdness breeds innovation. Think of the "weird" music of SOPHIE - misunderstood at first, but clearly she set the standards for pop/electronic production for a whole generation. What will one day be the zeitgeist always starts out as the eerie 🤔

[@LeninMcDonalds]

Man the audio visual experience of this video is on another level

[@gattagg40ky80]

Thank you for bringing up liminal spaces! I feel like they (and weird core) have the potential to say some pretty interesting things, but I feel like some potential is stifled when people view it as just another fad. It feels like a lot of fads are consumed rather than analyzed, and a lot of depth is lost by abandoning an idea, rather than working with it for a while. I think a lot of internet movements are flattened in that way, cause they don’t get explored further. Idk if what I’m saying actually makes any sense, but yeah 👍

[@kelsonlewis9252]

Yeah, the entire design of the internet, or more rather the social media spaces humans interact on, encourages surface level participation in any of the ideas being shared. The algorithm doesn't want us to go to the library and learn in depth about something we find interesting, it wants us to keep scrolling. To find a vide to play in the background. Anyone mentioning these topics shows up in your feed regardless of whether they are knowledgeable on the topic, they can say just about anything and that thing can easily spread.

[@f.botello]

the underlying hope in something new in fishers work always gives me a warm feeling ❤

[@epochphilosophy]

I think this is the point that often gets overlooked in Fisher's body of work!

[@yt_baphomet]

I’m a simple man. I see Mark Fisher content and I click.

[@MrWeeRhys]

I'm a simple man, which meant none of it made any sense to me :(

[@lilnoir4213]

@@MrWeeRhys Read Mark Fisher first, books are so small you can read them multiple times in one week and understand :)

[@GIGADEV690]

I am a sheep copy pasting popular comments

[@MrWeeRhys]

@GIGADEV690 oh do loads of people say what I said?

[@m.dgaius6430]

And you click. And you Click. That subtle word of psychological entrapment.

[@handdancin]

the visual styling of this video is amazing

[@m.dgaius6430]

Masterworks trivializes, desacralizes, consumerizes, and so does the tube.

[@PaperMacheTea]

True detective also echoes this philosophy.

[@VicenteLuchi]

Amazing visuals and content. Thank you!

[@Lady-Lost-In-a-Hall-of-Mirrors]

Thank you so much for introducing me to new philosopher Mark Fisher. So far it seems everything he makes is pure gold! As you describe him, Fisher looks to be very different from “normal” philosophers. More humble, down to Earth, not trying to attain some mythical objectivity. His personal experience and art references are more than enough to work wonders. Yet as his “pretentious” definition of the term ”weird” has shown us, he is still grounded in phenomenological tradition like famously obscure Heidegger. Heidegger also tried to redefine existing terms to better suit needs of Truth. Funny thing about phenomenology is that it´s based on subjective experience. This means, we have so many phenomenologies as there are phenomenologists. So Husserl´s phenomenology is full of obsessive mathematical references, Heidegger´s is full of (kinda dodgy) etymologies of pre-Socratic Greek terms (and odd pastoral romanticism), and Sartre´s full of objectifying of other people and himself. I studied philosophy for many years but never liked phenomenology because frankly, I didn´t like any of these guys. Fisher shows me, what marvels can be done with this old (and somewhat disgraced) phenomenological outlook on the world. It can help us to understand our own lives and give us some solace in this weird (pun intended) world.

[@jimjmcd]

Masterworks! Capitalist Realism live and up close!

[@carbon1479]

15:29 - George P Hansen in his 'The Trickster and the Paranormal' rolled up three underpinning aspects - liminality, communitas, and antistructure. It was an interesting read because it suggested what I've been thinking for a while which is functionalism with multiple realizability (Donald Hoffman and Chetan Prakash's 'Conscious Realism' models that and it sounds like Wolfram might also be on a similar track). From putting those together I gather that the paranormal at scale is homeostatic feedback loops in an egregore stack. Obviously I'm not 100% certain about it but it's the most compelling suggestion I've seen so far.

[@francoiszammit]

Your videos on Mark Fisher are top notch. You do justice to his work.

[@shutincinema4050]

Soon, I will have another Epoch philosophy video to listen to repeatedly!

[@epochphilosophy]

Damn right! And maybe one for July, who knows?

[@celiacresswell6909]

I was reading mark fisher a couple of years ago and listening to Ian Curtis. I had a vivid dream which said ‘don’t follow people down roads unless you want to share their destination.’ What can it mean?

[@adrobj707]

This video is GOOD. You continue to make the best Fisher vids here, especially for people just wading into his work. Excellent in both production and the theory. Would love to see a masterpiece on K-Punk… Thanks for the work.

[@benpetty9603]

The aesthetics in this video are insane. Thank you!

[@Bojoschannel]

It seems you have found your "style" with this video, the visuals really aid to further explain the theory in such an enjoyable and smart way. Congratulations for such a great creation!

[@thebookofive]

God, the visuals here are just phenomenal. Great video!

[@liamh1141]

Great summary, but also really stunning visuals ❤

[@TheKingWhoWins]

Bless for more philosophy/theory 🙏

[@ericksantiago3991]

Hands down the best channel on KZbin, anyway you can do “Scent of time” by Byung Chul Han 🙏

[@epochphilosophy]

Thank you so much! And, you may be in luck... soon.

[@MW-me7vn]

Beautifully made video, congrats

[@nightoftheworld]

8:19 *Hegel in Kant’s objects* “Being in flux and movement create holes between our perceivable time-the nanosecond occurrence that may scientifically exist but is completely outside of perception. Concepts like Kant’s noumena, the Thing, the all-knowing truth that we’ll never be able to grasp because of our mere human limits.” Maybe not _completely_ outside of perception. In Kant’s barring of the object Hegel saw the reflection of an inner truth, the image of absolute knowing, of the split in the One, the generative gap/incompleteness/uneasiness burning in the heart of all matter.

[@NoctisAquila]

I am watching this while pooping. - so there’s that. Take from that what you will

[@epochphilosophy]

Very productive of you. You should be proud.

[@NoctisAquila]

@@epochphilosophy there is no need for hostility, missy! Do refrain from addressing me with your pernicious implicit sarcasm! 😒 Rudey rude😏

[@tcmackgeorges12]

This and CCK’s vid let’s go

[@epochphilosophy]

Hell ya

[@Nosferatu-du5wb]

A wonderful vídeo! Pls take more for us, man 😅

[@Portents-Magic-imagination]

The Weird and the Eerie is itself a weird and eerie book.

[@carbon1479]

21:31 - I think what got me most interested in Mark Fisher was his theories on drum and bass and futurism. IMHO the 90's classics are hugely underrated in the broader sense of music. I will say at least that Loxy, DBridge, etc. brought things back around starting in 2007 and 2008 and Instra:mental, Sabre, and Data ran with it for a while as well.

[@HindiLegendaryWriters]

Where is Mark Fisher writing about drum bass and futurism ? K-Punk ?

[@carbon1479]

@@HindiLegendaryWriters search KZbin 'mark fisher drum bass'. You'll find him talking about it.

[@carbon1479]

@@HindiLegendaryWriters Slow Cancellation of the Future.

[@q13studio82]

Truly interesting. A new view.

[@MichaelKumpmann]

Unheimlich in a way can also mean creepy and scary. But more in an indirect manner. A man with a chainsaw running at you is not unheimlich. An ancient gothic castle or a derelict factory with cut of bodyparts is unheimlich. Unheimlich is not the fear of that there is someone attacking you with a chainsaw, but that there might be one.

[@wiselteats]

wierd=off nominal; the life & times of man on this planet time now … prelude to entropy

[@theghostsofgiants]

"I'm sorry; I love you." Didn't know you were a Ric Flair fan 😎

[@edwardallan197]

This is so great.... thank you......❤

[@tendies420-qy1re]

can’t wait :-)

[@epochphilosophy]

Oh, this will be a good one!

[@TheJayman213]

Thanks.

[@The_Silk_Screen]

This is so amazing! Thank you so much for making this I’ve always loved the weird and the eerie and this ish it’s perfect l. Plus your style is unreal. What software do you use? much love

[@sooooooooooomuchsoul]

A great video. Almost rendered totally OONlistenable by ur pronunciation of unheimlich 😎

[@NicholsonNeisler-fz3gi]

Stop thinking about Capitalist Realism and get back to work!

[@elpi6213]

I think slavoj zizek concept of inertia of the real works really well with the liminal and the weird and eerie. We can see this best in abandoned places that are outside of our everyday capitalist hyper consumption habits. I think ironically we can see more life in these places than in today capitalism. Anyways we should spend more time wandering, lingering and straying.

[@gabrielajonczyk5663]

Housing - eerie spaces are one that are lacking it, they are supposed to be lived, they were built, decorated, supposedly warm but no living is happening there People are on streets, under the bridges, in the woods, and there is this unhoused space Pure capitalist eeriness

[@acht2849]

For some reason, this video keeps crashing. Do other people experience the same problem? I really would love to see the whole video-essay!

[@epochphilosophy]

This is likely a YT issue! Not sure what browser or platform you are using. YT can do some weird things.

[@acht2849]

@@epochphilosophy it worked after I waited 10 minutes. Probably YT or Mozilla Firefox. Thanks, great essay.

[@carbon1479]

7:33 - There's also the old 'Western Educated Industrialized Rich and Democratic".

[@CC3GROUNDZERO]

14:31 That's my subway station.

[@aryafeydakin]

You etheir die a philosopher or live long enough to become a gnostic.

[@coffeatus3393]

This video feels like Antichamber

[@leftendo668]

Starting this video with an ad for unregulated securities is a choice.

[@epochphilosophy]

Totally not ideal, I get it. And the irony of running this on a Fisher video is absolutely not lost lol. Masterworks is registered with the SEC and must comply with investment disclosures. It doesn't have the same exact regulations as stocks and bonds, but it's a totally legitimate, regulated, and non-malicious platform. I will absolutely never promote products or services that are inherently dishonest and deceitful. I've turned down multiple real offers for upwards of $5,000 (way more than I usually make for these ads) for advertising blockchain based games. Which, in my mind, are inherently predatory as a product. That said, I make *very* little money for the amount of work that goes into this channel and because of this I've nearly quit YT on a few occasions. Therefore, when engaging with advertisers, so long as they are honest and legit, I can take resources that enable me to keep making these videos or kinda just quit I suppose. I chose the former. I sadly don't have a massive crowdfunding/Patreon base that would fully allow me to operate independent of ads. But, definitely do understand the initial reaction to seeing a Masterworks ad on a Fisher video.

[@juvenalhahne7750]

Claro que o que e novo ou novidade, não repetição, não pode se manifestar por meios estabelecidos. Mas ha de haver algum esforço em fazer uma ponte. Freud foi uma novidade mas sua linguagem recebeu o prêmio Goethe de literatura. Será Mark Fisher tão original assim que o umheimlich se torne ou se diga por palavras como liminal, Eerie, wierd etc., etc. Queria entender um pouco o que ele pensou...

[@lilnoir4213]

Hell yeah boys, we are not going make out of the backrooms with this one !

[@epochphilosophy]

That's mf right!

[@AcidCommunistAachen]

Nice

[@frederickanderson1860]

9:54 we not as physically atuned with many mamnals in our 5 senses . We are limited in the physical and in our perceptions of our world.

[@juvenalhahne7750]

Primeiro toque, nestes comentários, que me chega com algum sentido. A Internet tem prodigalizado shorts da vida animal que realmente começam a ampliar-nos nossa área de percepção...

[@mattd8725]

Well, something new is possible, but it is almost inevitably going to be even worse. Still, I don't blame people being hopeful for a new worse thing, as it is still at least new for a short while.

[@juvenalhahne7750]

Pior do ponto de vista de quem? Desde Nitzsche senão antes que as limitações humanas vem sendo derrubadas...

[@mattd8725]

@@juvenalhahne7750 Nietzsche had the concept of eternal recurrence and claimed that it was better to develop as an individual to imagine being stuck in the exact unchanging bad position forever and being more than happy with it. What I am saying is that there is a Zizekian "waiting for godot" type existentialist patch, which we could say applies to the current era, where there is progress, but only where things seem to become worse all the time, and we must, you know, keep on going.

[@asdf-oq4zr]

The liminal liminosophy of Limin Nal: The L and the Iminal

[@marxunemiku]

she mark on my fish til i'm her

[@epochphilosophy]

God damn, that is beautiful. I shed a tear.

[@mrECisME]

13:31 Except it literally was better in 1950s in America in almost every way than it is now.

[@RicO-xg4ju]

Interesting title. The voice delivery is a bit odd.

[@ubik5453]

Hello 👋

[@FrostRare]

Im so sick of the misappropriation of the word ‘liminal’. Eerie and weird have nothing to do with the definition of liminal. The word refers to locations which are a threshold between two spaces or are in the process of changing. The application of this word to anything which is obscure or avant garde is pseudo intellectual and it’s lazy. It’s become a go to word for anything that people don’t want to take the time to articulate.

[@kinetic2245]

Pretty good video. Will watch your other stuff. But that intro add is really fucking weird for a video about Mark Fisher

[@Trace-l7k]

Acid Capitalism. Mark was ahead of his time. ✌️ r.i.p.

[@StephenPhantom]

Wow love it, gives me ideas of new empty spaces, i call this NeoLiminalism, or a space that is filled not just with empty weirdness but also hints at an aesthetic of NeoFeudalism hmm lemme think, ah maybe robots standing around with trays in livery, Thanks !!! ( gonna hit the AI drawing tool after this to see if i can bring it to some visual realisation ) Oh and love the references to Lovecraft and PKD my favourite authors of the dark and surreal, really a great prompt to further thought !!!

[@parsley8554]

Bainger

[@Landon.Trotsky]

Idea for Epoch Philosophies next video... Louis Althusser's concept of Ideology & Ideological State Apparatuses as it relates to the multi-decade project of capturing the US Courts via dark money, think tanks, etc that have clearly imposed ideology in order to justify and reproduce itself. There's a lot there that shows it clearly in practice between the US Chamber Of Commerce, the Federalist Society, and the wealthy plutocrats pulling the strings behind it all. Obviously, it is a pretty hot topic right now too.

[@epochphilosophy]

Oh, I would love to do a video over Althusser. That said, PlasticPills has an insanely good video on that very topic.

[@Landon.Trotsky]

@@epochphilosophy yes I know, I am a fan of his as well, and have actually just finished up reading Ideology & Ideological State Apparatuses. I recommend checking out Senator Sheldon Whitehouse's channel and watch/listen his multi-part saga on "The Scheme", as well as reading the "Powell Memo" and the ProPublica exposè on Leonard Leo. Pretty alarming stuff, although not really surprising here in the USA lol... It holds up Althusser's work as true quite well, though!

[@asyetundetermined]

Philosophy is so masculine, angsty, and impotent. I’m here for it on the whole, but it’s also all rather silly.

[@theamici]

Nah, I wouldn't say "angsty" and "impotent". Masculine naturally because the large majority of widely known philosophers are men, but there's plenty of philosophers who are in no way "angsty", and as for impotent, try to read overtly revolutionary philosophers. They have literally changed the world on a massive scale, so calling them impotent would be a ridiculous charge.

[@asyetundetermined]

@@theamici philosophy cannot have two people such as ourselves communicating across great lengths. Philosophy will never bring a man to the moon. Philosophy will cure no disease. Surely, the proliferation of certain thoughts can motivate social action, but this applies equally to the philosopher as it does to the sufficiently adept charlatan. For all the observations it can provide, there will be no conclusive consensus. Fruitful within its own confines but completely absent any material impact to practical life as it is carried on day in and day out.

[@andrewmichaelschaefferXIV]

Trumpism Not Trump himself But in the atmosphere and theme of 2016 There was something novel

[@slow_goon73]

"Ex-cape" is not a word.

[@darillus1]

Modernity is not over , modernity never existed, it’s a human construction, Im wary of any philosopher that commits suicide, there work is also certain leading you astray.

[@Lojdika]

Any chance to stop with phenomenology in this century? We have people like Joscha Bach that can really put a dent in answering how conscience works. How about following that?

[@TheRealJanKafka]

I wasted twenty minutes watching this. All I got out of it was the sense that this channel is a venue for videos that promote the channel on the pretext of offering something of value. The Trumpian in its active form.

[@frankshifreen]

when a theorist commits suicide I check off against their theory