The Lost Metal Discussion Ft Bookborn and Michael Knipp

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[@AnakinTheWeird]

Wayne trying to bankrupt himself with terrible investments only to find a unicorn every time was friggin hilarious.

[@Bookborn]

Truly the funniest part of the book for me. I was not expecting the people to be following him to be his bankers begging him to invest his wealth

[@jessekedar]

That was a great running gag. He's such a roll with the chaos type that he sees opportunities to give his money away while helping people but it just kept making him richer 😂

[@Machtyn]

This was also a the hammer over the head for the readers that Wayne is truly affected by his hat. I don't think it was ever explicitly stated, but he has an implicit magic based on the type of hat he has on.

[@12Chris6]

Wax's family is screwing over everyone Me: They're the decendants of Breeze. Of course they're screwing over everyone.

[@jag519]

Lmao, we not only saw wayne die but we watched him go to the beyond, I feel like sanderson was like "I know I do fakeouts and stuff a lot, but look, you see him not just dead, but moving on completely"

[@ginge641]

Especially after Kelsier, I think that's kinda necessary. We know that death isn't necessarily death in the world unless we see them in the Cognitive Realm.

[@4BigJewlz76]

Him not going deeper with the malwish and bands plot is a valid point. however i never expected him to go too deep into those points in this era. My theory is that it sets up nicely for the next era to be a cold war spy thriller between north and south scadrial with the bands being part of the nuclear threat.

[@ivysudweeks1550]

Calling it now: Wayne's discovery of how to move faster than the speed of light, + Malwish Airships = spaceships.

[@innocenthedgehog8367]

You could have the same effect with cadmium bubbles, using them like stasis pods for the crew.

[@mndrew1]

Mistborn era II: The Steris Chronicles came to a satisfactory conclusion in this book IMHO.

[@GenCavox]

I am only ever gonna refer to Era 2 as The Steris Chronicles now, thank you.

[@mndrew1]

@@GenCavox As is proper.

[@Sheija]

The twist was that lerasium was the Lost Metal - it was crucial to the climactic scene (Wayne stopping the bomb). It affected Wax, the Ghostbloods were after it and its rediscovery has huge implications for Scadrial and the cosmere.

[@1011mweiland]

If you go back and read the first three books there is a point where he mentions the lost metal is Lerasium.

[@ginge641]

@@1011mweiland My guy that's atium.

[@istuilhos]

(Mega-spoilers for the book) Regarding Wayne and the whole death trope, I think Sanderson recognized he had written himself into a corner with that trope, so he embraced it in-universe. Even his characters were like, "No! Wayne's not dead! He's Wayne!" and then Brandon double-and-triple downed on proving that yep, he's dead dead. dead.

[@Colaman112]

I feel like the "Wayne seeing Harmony and passing on" -scene was there because it's a definitive way of showing that a character isn't coming back. In the Lost metal release event, Sanderson joked that people keep telling him that 16 books would make a lot of sense for the Mistborn series, and if he was to add a cyperpunk era, he could get there. But in the same breath he said that there is only so many books he can write, so it's far from confirmed.

[@Bookborn]

Ahhh of COURSE he wants 16 books to make it feel complete 😂 That man needs to slow down

[@bretsheeley4034]

Then he could make a Mistborn Encyclopedia book which would represent the 17th Shard. :)

[@jessekedar]

The moment Wayne became mistborn I was thinking they'd pull an alloy of law thing where he'd be a compounder and magically survive but showing him meeting harmony in the end was a good bookend to him.

[@cowardly_wizard]

I personally like the quirk of this connected universe that makes after-death scenes possible. The bit where nothing matters and the character gets to just chat with god is neat. Eshonai riding the storm before moving Beyond was great

[@arvoredeuva5485]

@@jessekedar There wouldn't have had enough time for him to compound enough health for this, you'd need to have BoM gold metalmind levels of health to survive three mini-nukes

[@uvadoc06]

Brandon is intrigued by finishing with 16 Mistborn books and has an idea for a cyberpunk series that would slot in between era 3 and 4; however, he's not sure there's going to be time for it. Regarding the book, I thought it was the best Sanderson book in years. Yes, there are unanswered questions, but I think every series is going to have that until the Cosmere ends with Mistborn 4.

[@alvir3486]

As a note on this not feeling like the end of an era or not like a whole era in itself. Brandon Sanderson makes a point of saying in the acknowledgement of "The Alloy of Law" that Era 2 is more of a side story, and that Era 3 is more of the grand epic second era on the same scale as Era 1 was. from "The Alloy of Law" acknowledgement: "The plan then was for a second epic trilogy set in an urban era, and a third trilogy set in a futuristic era-with Allomancy, Feruchemy, and Hemalurgy being the common threads that tied them together. This book isn't part of that second trilogy. It's a side deviation, something exciting that grew quite unexpectedly out of my planning for where the world would go."

[@volo1826]

I'm pretty sure sanderson said the first book of era 2 was the outside part of the trilogy. Story wise, it definitely is.

[@stephenmaher4690]

Fully agree with Merph, I love this era and I love The Lost Metal

[@filipab0oks]

Absolutely didn't predict the ending from the prologue and it broke me.

[@connor_phillipz5689]

31:25 Discord isn't really a theory so much as a prohpecized part of the narrative that is definitely going to come up whether that's in Era 3 or 4. Discord with a capital D (capitalized words like that are significant in the Cosmere) is something mentioned in the Terris prophecies which we see in an epigraph of The Final Empire. That epigraph also just so happens to be at the beginning of the chapter where Sazed is introduced (Chapter 8). This is something that will continue to be a through line with Mistborn.

[@dassadec]

I think Harmony eventually becomes Discord due to the opposing Shards of Preservation and Ruin trying to separate.And the separation of the Shards will destroy Scadriel

[@raquelmarcalsantos]

I can’t stop commenting hahaha About Wayne’s death: I knew it was coming too, but I was reading the ebook and when Wayne fell from the freaking ATMOSPHERE when fighting with “not-Wax”, the page ENDED with “it all went black”!! And I stared at it for at least two minutes going “NO NO NO NO NO NOT YET ITS TOO EARLY”. But I was afraid. Then when I was finally able to tap the screen and go to the next page, I saw he healed and the wave of relief was unbelievable! I loved it hahaha

[@crisramirez764]

I was sure it was gonna be Merasi, steris or Wayne, I’m glad we got a Wayne farewell and not just a death scene.

[@jacobhatcher5409]

So i knew Wayne was probably going to die when Marasi told him to come back alive. Ive consumed enough media to know that those words are a death sentence

[@tineye5100]

I think the feelings are the flaw of this being an accidental era two. It’s really more “Mistborn: Wax and Wayne” than it is “Mistborn: Era Two.” As far as being a story about Wax and Wayne, it concluded things nicely. This almost feels like something that would have been written as a midquel after subsequent eras were already out. So it’s a question of expectations. I don’t see it as an era the way the first is.

[@Somerandom1922]

I like the idea that the Shards Intent corrupts absolutely. In the case of Preservation, that corruption lead Leras to being completely unable to even consider doing harm. I think the sad truth is that Sazed (as we knew him) is gone. He's now just the vessel for these two Shards. I also believe that we saw the final slip into Discord right at the end of TLM when Kelsier could no longer see his dark shadow, however, I don't believe Discord is evil. I think Discord will still be sazed, however the Intent that guides him will be more unified rather than Ruin and Preservation fighting eachother every step of the way. Also because in the terris prophecies it says something like "His name shall be Discord and they will love him for it". I don't think Discord will be a villain, but a more callous hero.

[@raquelmarcalsantos]

Also, I think we’re going to see more of the Bands and of how they were drained in the next books. I really didn’t mind that this was left unanswered, I actually kind of already expected it.

[@wingracer1614]

Pretty sure Kel is responsible for that.

[@raquelmarcalsantos]

@@wingracer1614 ooooh That would be interesting

[@GenCavox]

As someone who only read era 2 TLM was really good. It wrapped up all the storylines, gave a reason for the South coming out of nowhere with The Bands, gave a reason for Harmony to have Larasium and Atium available, a good Wax and Wayne story, shining Steris moment, and a good reason for Dazed and Kelsier to have some tension between them at the start of Era 3. And if it is true what was said online, that Era 2 was meant as 1 book interlude that became its own Era, all the things I just wrote could be explained away in "The Time Skip," but I stead we're getting what happens in the time skip, which is cool.

[@TNT925]

The “if you don’t see the body they’re not dead” version for mistborn is “if they don’t speak with harmony and fade into eternity they’re not dead”

[@carogallasc1848]

it'd be great to have 5 eras, with all the remaining being trilogies to get us a total of 16 mistborn novels! I laughed so hard when the mysterious people after Wayne turned out to be his financial advisors

[@alexlane125]

I loved book 4 the best. I can't tell if the Wayne part was too obvious, I made the mistake of trying to see how many chapters total while on audible and saw the epilogue names and instantly figured it out. :(

[@Bookborn]

Noooo that's the WORST!

[@Dougeb7]

I liked your friends! Feisty and opinionated, but in a charitable way. Thanks!

[@britneynicole8903]

AHHH!!! I have been looking forward to this for dayysss!!

[@nenerson1195]

So....I have options on who drained The Bands of Mourning. And my opinion is I don't think they were drained at all, I think they were swapped. They're a forgery and we're going to get another Mistborn Secret History for era 2. Kelsier says that Shai is his best agent, and Shai is known for making forgeries. I think the Bands of Mourning were swapped between books without the kandra's knowledge. Kelsier wants to be a Mistborn again, I think he's saving them for that possibility.

[@Bookborn]

I would like all of this to come to pass, so I support this theory.

[@WildWolfGod]

Honestly with the book opening with Wayne having a flashback, I kinda felt like that was a red flag from the very start. As the book progressed I just felt like it was gonna end the way it did. I think Harmony having a dark reflection being mentioned a few times is definitely a set up for something later/a later conflict to come.

[@rainhunter5546]

In the Cosmere the barrier for 'if you don't see it they're not dead' isn't seeing a body, that can be recovered from, it's seeing them pass on into the Beyond Also, the 5 eras thing is that we've noticed that with the insertion of era 2 there are now planned 13 total Mistborn books, and adding a 5th era as a trilogy gets us up to lucky number 16

[@beLIEver31415]

Love the 3 Body Problem Trilogy!! :)

[@Bookborn]

Yessss! It's so freaking good!

[@raquelmarcalsantos]

As someone who has only read Mistborn and Warbreaker in the Cosmere because I was waiting to “have more time” to commit to SA but I’ve read some and watched some videos about the other planets and how they work: this is the book that put SA WAAAY higher in my TBR. Like, I wanna read it all and I wanna read it now! I really liked seeing all these other characters finally reveal themselves. I loved the scene where Hoid just appears in the water to rescue Wax out of nowhere, hahaha! Also, I’m starting to get scared of Sazed… I do see Ruin having more of an influence on him because he is more powerful, and so I’m really curious about where this will go. Ugh, this book just hyped up the Cosmere so much for me, I’m thrilled!

[@Bookborn]

I really like knowing this perspective. So wasn't confusing, but rather exciting to see what's next?

[@raquelmarcalsantos]

@@Bookborn yes! But I already knew the Cosmere existed and that there were connections happening, so I wasn’t as in the dark as someone who just happened to stumble upon this story…

[@billyalarie929]

Merphy saying “dick jokes” had me CLUTCHING MY PEARLS

[@Banegerous]

Just finished the book and needed to digest, so I came by to listen to you folks help me through my own thoughts. Thank you

[@tomraineofmagigor3499]

So bend alloy is needed for FTL? another thing to remember Tensoon had almost a throwaway line talking about how it might be possible to use the metals in a combination of ways to teleport long distances

[@random_guy_231]

The 5 Eras thing comes from the Cyberpunk Era he has talked about doing after Era 3 but before the Space Opra. He has talked about it for years but hasn't commited to the idea.

[@melvinlinderoth7108]

Only a few minutes in to the video but for me what is funny about Wayne is not the jokes themselves but rather the reaction you get from the other characters especially in this book. The sheer horror and disbelief from Wax and Marasi when Wayne sais something outlandish is hilarious to me.

[@ViperRT99]

Wayne went to the Forest Gump School of Business.

[@connor_phillipz5689]

53:50 I completely understand that frustration. However, because there are so many ways in the Cosmere to either cheat death or to prolong your life or to survive things that most readers would assume are lethal it is very hard to have a final Death for a character without actually seeing them stretch into The Beyond or have some other kind of poetic death scene (There's one in particular in Stormlight that I'm quite fond of). At least in my opinion there aren't very many examples of a death fakeout being used in the Cosmere in an egregious way. Most times it stems from a lack of understanding of the magic systems or the world itself. So the fakeout serves both a narrative purpose and as a way to introduce new elements of the magic system. Just my 2 cents

[@Bookborn]

I actually don't mind him having a death scene with Harmony, I just thought it was excessively silly, even for Wayne. Wayne CAN be serious, and I guess I'm a wet blanket and wanted to see that part of him a little more here 😅

[@Purgatory73]

How did I not find this video before! Great video and collaboration!

[@Florfilm]

Such an awesome discussion. I loved it.

[@britneynicole8903]

If you have not watched any of her other discussions yet, you need to! They are awesome!!!

[@jacobrichards3728]

I think the over arching theme in this era was balance. Harmony, the play on names of wax and Wayne, the personal struggles were all about balancing yourself, meanwhile the enemy in especially this book was all about independence which through things out of balance.

[@mattbuxton]

Ugh. How did you all finish it so fast?? Ill be back for this video in a week or two. Excited to hear everyone's thoughts!

[@britneynicole8903]

I know! I cannot read that quickly!!

[@Bookborn]

In fairness I read the prechapters AND live in PST (so I could get the ebook the night before at 9pm) which helped lol

[@Hawkuro]

Michael is right, the correct term is quadrilogy. In English it generally goes: Duology (Or a "Dilogy" if you prefer greek prefixes) Trilogy Quadrilogy (Or "Tetralogy" for similar reasons as above) Quintilogy Hexalogy Heptalogy Octology etc. The "-logy" in this context means "narrative", so "Quadrilogy" is just "four narratives (forming a whole)"/"a narrative in four parts" Duet, Trio, Quartet, Quintet, etc. are just groups of 2/3/4/5 etc. people (mostly) or things. You can technically call a quadrilogy a quartet, but the former is more specific and accurate.

[@ariaslibrary]

I didn't pick up on Wayne dying, like at all. So in between the tears and sobbing, one thing I thought of was Max and his relationship with his Uncle Wayne 😭😭 Will he remember how to do the accents Wayne taught him? Tindwyl will never get to know him either. And it made me cry harder 😂

[@Jmbbit138]

Stop you're hurting me :(

[@reillyliner]

Consider this… this sequence of Mistborn is designed to be a jumper. It’s like a spark. It’s meant to be an advance on all the enormous shifts we’re about to get in stormlight 5, leading to pure investiture being transported across the universe for money by shadesmar and perpendicularity. It wasnt even originally going to be a series. He decided to make it a catalyst. 10 years from now when we aren’t so critical because we can look back on his next few books, we will see that he was setting up the general audience to be shocked in the greater world opening up that’s about to happen.

[@TheBiel93]

I've only read mistborn era 1 and 2. To me, everything about the cosmere (which I don't even know what it means, but I kind of understood, following what you said) was so natural in the book. Actually, for me it was amazing the conversation about powers and magic, such as "really? Your people can literally fly and this is magic for you?".

[@jamesalexander4094]

In one of the live streams he mentioned possibly writing another era to bring mist born to 16 books to like match up with the 16 metals

[@8684LYFE]

I experienced the exact same thing that Merphy did when it came to the death at the end. I was so focused on just hoping that it wasn't another fake out, that it didn't actually sink in for me even though logically I knew it was well written and something I'd enjoy. I was so desperate I even went on the coppermind to confirm it was real before I kept reading (unfortunately the article wasn't updated yet...)

[@guddefulgaming]

This book Was an absolute blast! I loved the participation of the ghostbloods, the wider cosmere implications (Do we really have 2 bad guys now? Are odium and Autonomy gonna fuse some Day?) I love that we probably will see Wax again as Harmonies/Discords Agent in the Cosmere (That He is likely mistborn now helps) And Waynes scenes from the boat onward were such bitter sweet tearjerkers. He was so proud, He was at peace and deserved so more. *Stormlightspoilers ahead* I cried more for wayne than i did for Teft and Kal. (Also there will never ne a wayne meets lopen 😞) This Book has Taken a dear place in my heart and is easily Top 3 in the Cosmere. Cant device if it is above or below WoR, but HoA will Stay at Number 1 for now.

[@fenris5932]

Given the fact that Autonomy is....well autonomous, I don't know if fusing it back together with other shards is even possible

[@wingracer1614]

@@fenris5932 Not only that but Odium wouldn't go for it either.

[@fenris5932]

@@wingracer1614 Yeah, having 2 shards seems like it's more trouble than it's worth unless Sazed can figure out a way to make them not oppose each other in the future

[@PonderingsOfPete]

I agree with Bookborn. I wanted more Southern Scadrial stuff, especially since he was setting up a bunch with them

[@Bookborn]

💁‍♀

[@georgejohnson8421]

Era 3( Conflicts between the continents)

[@jag519]

Ati was also a good person, so seeing sazed go through what ati went through and go from harmony to discord does sound interesting.

[@ElijahStormblessed]

Woah! All of my favorite people!

[@Bookborn]

[Picture of Myrddraal screaming while blushing]

[@ElijahStormblessed]

@@Bookborn lol

[@mattbuxton]

I really enjoyed Era 2 and TLM conclusion a lot. Bands of Mourning is def my favorite of the era. Something you discussed was the way Sanderson went full Cosmere and “taking the gloves off” with this book and how it could not function that well for people who just read Mistborn. As someone who is fairly new to the Cosmere there were parts that were a bit overwhelming and confusing. I really don’t know too much about shards and world hoppers so I did feel that all the references made me a bit distracted from the Era 2 story. That said, I still felt like this could be read on its own but I’m sure it would of been more appreciated if I was caught up to everything. That said I love Sanderson and am excited to keep diving into the Cosmere.

[@KarolinaK00]

As far as character work goes, I agree that Wayne finally came across how Sanderson intended him to in this book. I love Steris, but she had the same character arc as the last book-realising that she is useful to people. Wax was in Rambo mode, and the conflict with Harmony was the same as last book? Like we already went through that. And so on and so on. As I type this, Michael got to it and his points are spot on!

[@BubbaCoop]

The first four Alien movies were sold together in a boxed set called a Quadrilogy

[@connor_phillipz5689]

Quadrilogy/tetralogy is the correct term (Or 'a' correct term I guess. Doesn't really matter what you call it.) for a set of 4 works. The 4 original Alien films are considered a Quadrilogy and were marketed as such when they released the DVD set. I'm sure there are other examples, but that's the main one I can think of from pop culture.

[@jag519]

The cyber punk era is like current era 2, it's one that isn't planned but he knows he might accidentally do. haha It would also make there 16 main mistborn books which is an important mistborn/cosmere number

[@theravagepirate]

Saze is hella sus and in the current state of Scadrial, Odium would demolish him. He’s shown to be the Kif Kroker of all the Cosmere gods.

[@Bookborn]

Depending on how T is doing with Odium (if it’s not overtaking his personality) I’d say he’s less likely to be pure destruction than Rayse, and may work with people

[@calebmauer1751]

​​@@Bookborn He'll be corrupted eventually but for now he's basically become his pure intelligent (and pure selfish) form permanently, with added flair for destruction, which isn't good for anyone. He was already a really bad guy and now he's gone all the way. So yeah, he's gonna be worse than the original.

[@laceyjo89]

So, I have only read the Mistborn books. I haven't read any other Sanderson books. I was honestly a bit worried when I heard that other Cosmere stuff was going to be in this book. That maybe I wouldn't understand it due to this. Thankfully, it wasn't a problem for me. While reading, It kind of felt like seeing an easter egg in a movie, and knowing from how it's presented that this means something to superfans, but isn't vital for you to understand. I still had a lot of fun and went along with it, but i would say it diminished my enjoyment a little, since i knew i was missing out on something. I'm glad i had heard this tidbit before though, bc otherwise idk what i would think when those characters suddenly show up. I was gifted the original mistborn trilogy by a friend a couple of years ago, so i had no idea what i was getting into when i started. When I realized after looking stuff up after I finished, I was a bit overwhelmed when i found out it was a large universe that all intertwined. I get that there's so many people who enjoy the complexity of this universe and analyzing/studying it, making theories, etc; but that's not me. lol. I want to just enjoy each book as it comes.

[@Ulmo90]

Lots of good stuff in this book, I enjoyed the arcs of all characters, especially Wayne!

[@andresserna6255]

I feel that Discord will be the primary motivation for interstellar travel on Scadrial. I don't know if it was stated, but perhaps having two Shards speeds up the assimilation of the Shard's Intent by the Vessel's mind, and in Era 3 we'll see that happen to Sazed, and then in Era 4 finally we'll see the people of Scadrial flee before the planet is consumed by Discord

[@shirashmu2188]

God my and Merphy's tastes are so similar I just love watching her gush over the exact same things I love and going "YESS YESSS" while everybody else is like "it was ok ig"

[@autumnrose3236]

I think an important thing to remember going into this series, correct if im wrong is that there werent a lot of mistborn to begin with in the og series. So it makes sense for there to not really be to be any mistborn in this era. And like you said there are still quite a few of the og characters. (And it is a part of a bigger series hopefully)

[@ajbXYZcool]

On the point about the Bands scene, I don't mind it as much, and that's mainly because of me relating to Steris's point of view. I'm also autistic, so when at least Steris let the ambassador go, her dialogue about focusing on the current crisis makes sense. After all, she's busy dealing with at least 2 stressful balancing acts right now - project "be the front face of House Ladrian" and project "figure out solution so everyone doesn't die that will work with stupid politicians". Adding project "prevent ambassador from walking away with Bands without outright starting a war" to the Priorities list would've been too much at that time. Letting him walk out was the simplest solution - it was important enough to try based on the word of TenSoon, and they did agree, and it would at least delay a war, so let's let him go and then focus on the evacuation. As for the other Basoners, I figure they're amenable to listening to Steris and TenSoon at that point, and both are letting the ambassador go. Plus they ARE empty, what are they going to do with them? Also I didn't catch that Wayne was going to die from the prologue. Of anything it was him calling himself a dead man throughout Part 1.

[@Bookborn]

A good perspective on that scene. Maybe I was projecting too much because I feel like they are going to be important 😅

[@Koombs]

It was definitely Hoid that drained them. He's been world hopping gathering investiture this whole time. The lost metal is the Bands of Mourning.

[@tgibridays]

Ohhhh that's a good thought. I kind of like that.

[@robbiereed4462]

I totally didn't know that Wayne was going to die until he pushed Wax off the boat. Also I didn't catch that Wax was a Mistborn until they told us.

[@sesha.charla]

Theory: Steris planned to create an 'fake' bands of mourning with Tensoon to make the conflict go away.

[@mattkean1128]

Would love more discussions with this group!

[@jesse8924]

Haven't read this but here's a comment and like for the ol' algs.

[@Jetpack_Turtle]

Waiting for all these statues in MB and SA to get (re)animated Warbreaker style lol

[@KarolinaK00]

I think something is definitely happening with Harmony, and I can't wait to see what happens with that in era 3. And I'm scared, I must say, a breaking bad arc with a god is terrible to imagine

[@britneynicole8903]

Happy Thanksgiving, everybody! I hope you all have an amazing day! 🍁😊☀️

[@superbit415]

Sanderson needs to start putting a Bibliography on the first page of his books now saying something like these are the books you need to read first before reading this one.

[@ducky36F]

I can’t help but wonder if Kelsier will end up with the Ruin shard… Don’t know if that makes total sense but it’s obvious Sazed is struggling, I think it’s unlikely Sanderson ends up making him a full villain, and Ruin just suits Kelsier so, so well

[@gpanthony]

I just started reading Mistborn in September and marathoned books 1-7 + Secret History, I knew that the series was part of a connected universe but know nothing about Stormlight or Elantris, and I felt really excited about all the crossover stuff and didn't feel like I was lost at all. Kelsier just showing up with a new crew was pretty crazy considering he was still just a shadow at the end of Secret History. I am really looking forward to Stormlight now, and Tress was incredible (so far Tress is my favorite book of the 8 I've listened to). I'm starting Emperor's Soul tonight and find all the hype around that book intriguing.

[@Machtyn]

I agree that there was a LOT of foreshadowing to Wayne's death. Once I realized that, I was sad. I like Wayne. He's got such a convoluted sense of equity.

[@theravagepirate]

Saze wont let them discover the phone in fear of them making fax…iliums?

[@Bookborn]

Idk if I should be super impressed or just angry

[@Fireshadow234]

I think that Mistborn Era 4 will be the one that has the required reading of all Cosmere novels

[@MGenrih]

You don't have to move faster than the speed of light to escape solar system. We have already sent 5 probes escaping the solar system.

[@Bookborn]

Yeah I’m fact you don’t have to even get close. But sci fi seems obsessed with saying that’s what it is lol

[@antongrigoryev6381]

To escape - no. But to actually get to some other place in a reasonable amount of time, you do. Distances between stars are enormous.

[@tomraineofmagigor3499]

the bands of mourning being taken to the south feels like a major set up for era 3

[@DarknessClown1255]

I loved Steris so much, I can't believe many people didn't like her point of view.

[@jamesalexander4094]

I Think we will get another secret history to explain the draining of the bands possibly and answers some of the other unanswered questions

[@christopherlheagy]

I didn't realize, until Wayne's Wealth plot point, how much I need a Brewster's Millions remake

[@andrewf7732]

Great discussion. Think I fall more on Merphy's side, but think everyone brought up valid criticisms while acknowledging the strong aspects of the book. For me, I thought the plot was fun, and I enjoyed the cosmere tie-ins, but the well written character arcs of every major character work really solidified this as a five star book for me. The emotional beats hit really well in this book and I think this is the strongest book of era 2, though I still prefer Mistborn Era 1 and SA.

[@Macapta]

My brain is melting trying to hold all the info on the Cosmere after this book.

[@LewsTherinTelescope]

Re: adaptations: Not only did Sanderson mention he wrote a screenplay treatment with only a single scene from the book, he said he felt it was _better_ in a lot of ways than his other attempt that stuck much more closely. Presumably the final product will be more to the middle of the spectrum, but he's not afraid to diverge massively, it seems. Curious how it'll turn out...

[@FantasyFiles]

Hey BookBorn, if you see this, you asked to hear from someone who's *only* read Mistborn and what their thoughts were on the Cosmere tie ins were, that's me! So it was very confusing, I assumed it was all greater-cosmere stuff, but I felt like I couldn't quite enjoy that part of the story because I was so far out of the loop. It was still somewhat enjoyable, I just had no idea what was going on. On one hand, I was kind of upset that he chose this book to really tie things into the cosmere, and I was like "I just wanna enjoy a Mistborn story", but on the other hand, he has to do it eventually right? So it was kind of on me for not reading the other stuff. I likened it to going to see Avengers Age of Ultron and not having seen the other movies, but then again I didn't know I had required reading for this book 😂so it could go both ways. With all that being said, this book has finally pushed me over the edge of "Okay, I am committing to reading the rest of the Cosmere" finally! January 1st I'm starting the rest of it!

[@Bookborn]

Ohhhh thanks for letting me know! I’m bummed to find out it’s more confusing than I initially thought mostly because it’s hard to sell people on like.. 30 books versus a single series 🤣 but I can say you won’t regret reading the Cosmere - it’s amazing!

[@FantasyFiles]

@@Bookborn Well so far it's just Mistborn, Elantris, Warbreaker, and Stormlight right? Or are there other ones? I did just start Warbreaker, it was a bumpy start but I'm a few hours in and absolutely loving it!!

[@FantasyFiles]

@@Bookborn Also you should come on the podcast sometime! We just had your husband on to talk about Threadlight the other week!

[@futurehistoryarchaeologist4480]

@@FantasyFiles There are also some short stories and novelas too. Most of those are found in Arcanum Unbounded. There's also White Sand, which is a bit of an odd case. There's a sort of prose sample of it in Arcanum Unbounded but the full prose version was actually never published. When a graphic novel company approached Sanderson about a potential adaptation of one of his books, he gave them White Sand instead of an already published work. So the only published print version of the story is a graphic novel. Then Graphic Audio, who work with Brandon for many of his books, made an adaptation of the graphic novel. In case you don't know, rather than a traditional audiobook, they make things more similar to a radio drama where every character is voiced by a different person and there are sound effects and music from time to time.

[@FantasyFiles]

@@futurehistoryarchaeologist4480 Yeah, I'm gonna have to try the graphic audio of white sand, we talked about this in our Lost Metal episode going up on Monday, I think it's such a bad idea for authors to make one part of their series a comic book, as I would guess most readers (including me) don't necessarily like reading them. That's why it's hard for me to get into anime, it's like "Okay, watch these three seasons that you'll love, but then you have to watch these four prequel seasons, then play the video games, and THEN you have to read all 3153253 of the comic books before you can go on to season 4 of the original show" it's just bad planning and marketing, it's never made sense to me.

[@tomdeahl2234]

Just finished the book Saturday. 100% agree about the Bands of Mourning being brought up, drained, dismissed. Very unsatisfying.

[@Hipnopotamussus]

He said he might make it 5 to add another trilogy to make the grand total of Mistborn books 16. But he has not confirmed it.

[@Bookborn]

Lmao of course he wants to make Mistborn 16 books to fit in nicely with the importance of 16 😂

[@TacticusPrime]

Now that I think about it, Wax is now a compounder. Though, a weight compounder is probably not as OP as a health compounder.

[@ahmedic_c]

Someone who only read mistborn here 🙋‍♂️ yes, the fact that the cosmere came into play so much in this book was SO jarring, if felt like a completely different book splashed into this one, I was aware of the cosmere but would’ve liked a sign that says YOU NEED TO READ OTHER COSMERE BOOKS FOR THIS ONE, probably the only thing that tanked my rating of the book

[@jalalchahine1886]

I don't necessarily hate Mistborn era 2 I took it for what it was, a sando side project of some importance, like when I read those books I enjoy them to the maximum, which leads me to your point that I absolutely loved The Lost Metal because I didn't expect it to be WoR or Hero of Ages.

[@lordsteven4677]

I am one of those few whose only experience with the Cosmere has been Mistborn. In fact, I didn't even know about the Cosmere until I was almost done with The Bands of Mourning when a couple of my friends told me about it. At that point, I felt I was too invested in Mistborn to read the rest of the Cosmere first, so I stuck it out and read The Lost Metal. There were times when I felt I had no idea what was going on and was getting bored, like during the parts where Twinsoul (assuming that's how it's spelled, I listened to the audiobooks) was talking about stuff outside of Scadriel. But other than those moments, I thoroughly enjoyed the books, especially since Wayne has been my favorite character since book 1 of era 2.

[@kailawkamo1568]

My interpretation of Discord is that it's not Ruin superseding Preservation. I can imagine more of it like Ruin and Preservation having more opportunity to do their own thing instead of being forced to work together to the point of cancelling each other out and stagnating the development of the world. It was hinted at in some Terrisman text in Era 1. I think it was said people would be thankful for Discord or something

[@MacabreAxe]

The things with the Mawlish feeling so rushed is definitely a feeling I had coming into the end of the book. But on reflection, and with a little bit of foil wrapped around my brain, I feel like Era 3 isn't going to be as much as a jump as Era 1 to 2 was. In fact I have a feeling that Era 3's MC might end up being Max, with a focus on the Basin vs The Southern continent as the backdrop.

[@Parmandur]

Thing ia, nothing much happened action wise in the time jump. It was a quiet few years for these characters.

[@tomraineofmagigor3499]

Their arcs didn't feel like a relearning and more like an affirmation of that previous growth

[@Florfilm]

I also gave the book 4 stars but for totally different reasons.

[@CHiZZoPs27]

RE: Merphy's argument from 51:00. I dunno. Fresh fans, reading only Mistborn all the way through and hitting the Lost Metal's cosmere references might throw them in with Marasi, being someone suddenly thrust into a new understanding that the "world" is much bigger than they previously thought. It's probably just another route down the rabbit hole.

[@CrushedGears]

The bands of mourning(filled with pure investiture) are set up as a weapon to be used by the southerners. The northerners are going to get Mistborn, with continued trellium/harmonium experimentation. This works because aluminium is going commonplace. The time jump's purpose was primarily to show the speedrun of technological advancement, which implies that the 1980 cold war stuff in not THAT far into the future. We're likely to see the Wax and Steris kids in ERA 3, along with head of state Marasi. This would place Era 3 during the same timeframe as the later stormlight books, which seems appropriate.

[@jordanmyers9208]

Trying to finish this book before the end of the month. Will be back :)

[@Conduit23]

MAXILIUM IS A PERFECT NAME

[@Bookborn]

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