The Lost Rivers of Manchester. The Cornbrook Part 4

[@MartinZero]

New information has come to light since publishing this video. The information is regarding the 'Traction engine incident'. I will issue a video on this subject as soon as I can. Best regards and thanks for all your support on this video.

[@richardschild1640]

I would love that! Cheers Martin and crew!

[@anth5122]

1000 channels on the TV and I’m watching Martin Zero 👍

[@MartinZero]

Good on ya 😁👍🏻

[@11000038]

Second that!

[@11000038]

What a great journey!

[@stannisb7693]

Roy what a bloke Fantastic !!!

[@MartinZero]

I'll pass on your thoughts 😄

[@paulmann1440]

Absolutely brilliant (as usual!) Thank you!

[@MartinZero]

Cheers Paul

[@kenkellalea329]

I ride push bike weather permitting

[@valerielongmore5040]

Totally enjoyed that what a great team, Roy was brilliant. Look forward to the next wow.

[@anneforster510]

Had a summer job before going to college in 1971 at Hyde Road depot working for Selnec. The conductors brought their ticket machines in so that they could be checked against ticket sales and I was that person adding it all up on a huge adding machine . Ardwick is very interesting for me as my Grandmother was born there in 1880 . Thanks for a very interesting video Martin.

[@dianebarnes1628]

Fascinating video. Thank you.

[@VincentHardy-zt3nt]

I’ve been waiting for another Cornbrook segment! Not disappointed absolutely fascinated about the Black Brook such a shame it’s lost to a concrete pipe now, lucky Roy has recorded these places previously, Absolute gem is Roy. Another Quality video Martin, thank you 🙏🏻

[@MartinZero]

Thanks Vincent

[@xr6lad]

Nice to see James. Adds character and personality to this. He is always happy.

[@dieselmanmike]

Looked forward to this and it didn’t disappoint. Loved the lime formations and the black brook confluence, you guys go above and beyond for our viewing pleasure. Another great video.👍

[@MarkMunro-y8f]

Thank you Martin and crew.

[@billynuts1184]

love the little snippets of the local history

[@MartinZero]

Cheers Billy

[@Gnurftl]

Always a treat to get new impressions from your lost waterways. And very happy that smell-o-vision isn't invented yet!

[@MartinZero]

Next section is worse

[@UsualmikeTelevision]

This video took 2 days to watch for me and I enjoyed every minute! Thank you Martin and the & guys for Cornbrook 4

[@BlackcloudRailways]

I am ever so glad you guys go crawling through the mud so we don't have to. 🙂

[@chucky2316]

Roy knows his stuff martin

[@garykb1]

Thank you so much for these videos. As a Manchester guy who now spends a lot of time away from the U.K. they really make me appreciate my home town. You guys deserve a TV show btw.

[@wackbatt4746]

great sunday viewing

[@MartinZero]

Thank you

[@jeffjones6107]

Great video. This area is where my family are from. I can remember Ardwick as just rows and rows of terrace houses in the early 60s cheers Martin and the crew 👍

[@martinmarsola6477]

An interesting walking and underground tour this day. Thank you for the many hours staging this tour back in time. Always look forward to them, Martin. Enjoy your week ahead, and see you on the next! 🇬🇧🙂👍🇺🇸

[@britannia55]

I’m loving this, visited Manchester in 2023 as a volunteer for the swimming championships, so much industrial history.

[@MartinZero]

Thank you

[@lisaperrin3298]

I purchased a couple of books from Amazon at Christmas. Trafford Park The First Hundred Years by Robert Nicholls, The Origins of Manchester from Roman Conquest to Industrial Revolution by Allan Kidd and Stretford and Old Trafford Through Time by Steven Dickens. I am from Stretford originally so I have enjoyed reading about the history of my hometown. All three are excellent books.

[@jetsons101]

Just made tea, now time for some great Manchester History.

[@MartinZero]

Great stuff what we having

[@Christians-hu1pk]

thanks again for uploading another video, you have become one of my fav KZbinrs and find your videos always entertaining when James is there but so informative and interesting. I'm not from Manchester but have learnt so much about the area through your videos ❤

[@DnBclassictunes]

Amazing what was built above ground. But underground is something else!

[@MartinZero]

Totally 👌

[@DnBclassictunes]

@@MartinZero still watching. The graveyard part. Unbelievable to know the bodies are there still.

[@Bender24k]

I love the correlation of your underground location with the scenes from above. Outstanding. Cheers from NY!

[@MartinZero]

Thank you 👍🏻

[@ffrancrogowski2192]

I'm always looking forward to your Manchester videos, Martin. This is another pearler, and you've done a lot of research as to where things are with the maps and photos, making it stunningly interesting. The still existing buildings like the Apollo theatre at Ardwick, and the old hospital are great to know about, as to when they were built. It was amazing to think that you went under Hyde Road bus depot and the railway into Piccadilly. A great achievement going through those conditions underneath, and credit must be given to Roy for previously taking photos of his own journey through there. Most excellent, and thank you to yourself and the team

[@MartinZero]

Thanks Ffranc, I have a love hate relationship with the Cornbrook 😄

[@rodgermoss8975]

Hi Martin, forget Johnny Marr ,forget Harry "H" Corbett and forget Bill Piddington ( Tarmey)- Charlie Chaplin attended Ross Place School Ardwick early last century during his nomadic lifestyle .P.S. I saw the Beatles at the Apollo in 1963. I am 78 I need a life ......

[@MartinZero]

Ahh brilliant 👍🏻

[@ericanderson9664]

Thanks for the info on Ardwick Cemetery. I first found it while researching my family history. My Great-Great-Grandmother was buried there in 1872.

[@MartinZero]

Cheers Eric

[@dilwyn1]

Great job Martin. Still can't get over those pics of the Traction engine collapsed through the road... Bet the poor driver messed his pants big time !!! LOL!!

[@simontay4851]

The same could happen again on hyde road if the hole at 21:52 isn't repaired properly. Plating over it is such a lazy bodge.

[@MartinZero]

I may have more info for you

[@Hairnicks]

Very, very good, what a team. Amazing history recorded for posterity. Thank you Martin and crew.

[@MartinZero]

Cheers

[@warrenjohnknight.9831]

Thank you Martin and team, definitely another great episode. 😊😊.

[@r.markclayton4821]

Manchester University once had a plan to open the culvert under Brunswick Street and have a small lake / large pond between the Roscoe Building and Zochonis Building (then Electronics). There is now a park, but no water feature. In 1974 there was a large collapse where the Brook passed under Upper Brook Street, leaving just the tram lines over the chasm.

[@MartinZero]

That would have been interesting to see Mark

[@lindamckenna81]

Good on you guys for all your hard work bringing us this one

[@MartinZero]

Thank you Linda

[@TheUpplanning]

Regards from Sweden Mr Martin Zero

[@MartinZero]

Best wishes to Sweden 🇸🇪

[@simontay4851]

The building at 29:22 is indeed beautiful. Im glad it survives.

[@boilerroombob]

No better way to spend a Sunday Bank holiday wife In one hand cold beer in another.....and martin and his crew on big telly ....well done Martin 1st class as always m8

[@MartinZero]

Cheers Bob 👍🏻

[@barbarautubes]

Very interesting! Thank you 😊

[@MartinZero]

Thanks Barbara

[@s.rmurray8161]

The Trolleybuses at 27.30 are actually trams! There was a purpose built garage for trolleybuses at the bottom of Rochdale Rd opened in 1938 but later in the 1950's some trolleybuses were based at Hyde road, There were trolleybus lines into Hyde Rd so that the vehicles could go to the central car works (the long wall after the garage entrance is the side wall of the car works).

[@gbcb8853]

28:12 These are trolley buses

[@BusterCapInYoAss]

Trams and Trolley Buses are different. Trams can travel as a single unit or attach further articulad units, and obtain power from a single overhead cable. Trolley buses are exclusively single units and obtain power from 2 power cables overhead.

[@anthonylane]

I enjoyed that one and living not far from Blackford Bridge water treatment place and with the right wind direction i watched it with smelly vision

[@MartinZero]

Brilliant 😄

[@RAM4elightbars]

Never been to Manchester, but your passion towards the lost portions of the area is contagious. I can't wait for the next update.

[@MartinZero]

Thank you very much

[@bobjackson6524]

What a brilliant adventure. Must say i was more than a little worried at times. Cant wait for #5 🙌💖🙌

[@MartinZero]

Cheers Bob, yes it was very gassy down there

[@caddycommercials8570]

I’m all bizz for this 😊😊

[@MartinZero]

me to 😁

[@PeteGlyde]

Hello Martin: Thank you to yourself and your intrepid team for The Cornbrook Part 4; another excellent vlog. Pete Glyde

[@brettjones5041]

Awesome Stuff . Love the History .Next Journey will be Brave Thanks

[@stannisb7693]

Martin can I request ‘Down in the Sewer’ by the Stranglers for Part 5 I am thinking of Roy in the festering pipe heading to Gorton he says “never before have I wanted to get out of something it’s disgusting” haha

[@MartinZero]

You can. But I’ll get in trouble for copyright ☹️

[@David_Owsnett]

Well done guys! Roy, really is the man!

[@MartinZero]

Cheers David

[@markkilley2683]

Started to listen to OMD back in the 80's. Another good vid.

[@adrianstansfield]

Top video Martin and James ☝😁

[@alanarmer8069]

Great video 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@chrisbury4635]

Very interesting history 😊

[@stephenwise734]

Much Appreciated! I love those images and the comraderies between friends.

[@paulwilson7234]

Brilliant video.

[@MartinZero]

Thanks Paul

[@christophersmith4706]

I have no connection with Manchester but your videos are so interesting I can't help but look forward to the next one.

[@MartinZero]

Thanks Christopher

[@iainpaton1865]

First class video friend thank you very interesting 😊. Please keep the great videos coming friend. 🎉🎉From Scotland.

[@MartinZero]

Thanks Iain

[@jayd1974]

Really good video love da Cornbrook episodes 👍

[@MartinZero]

Cheers Jay

[@davidberlanny3308]

Cracking video Martin and team, well done!! Thanks to Roy for going round the last bend. I guess you all got out ok🤔🤔 Loved the mix of stories from the area above. What a painting of Dalton in the town hall. I wonder where he was taking his sample? I shared the thumbnail of the traction engine with my friend Emma down in Oz who has one, she said "that sort of thing happens"!! All the best!!

[@MartinZero]

I can well imagine, mega heavy

[@yorkie2789]

I went to some cracking concerts at the Apollo in the late 1970s when I was a student in Manchester, Buzzcocks and Status Quo spring to mind.

[@MartinZero]

Jot Division supported the Buzzcocks there

[@FrangoTV1]

Another great video Martin & co. It was interesting to see the iron oxidising bacteria coming out of some of the small pipes on the side of the culvert. It’s completely harmless in spite of its orange colour. Says something about the local geology me thinks. Looking forward to Part 5.🎖️

[@MartinZero]

Cheers 👍

[@richardperry5538]

Great watch....thanks 👍

[@johnnyroadcrew3841]

Well done .. .. ..

[@GeoffWebb-h3j]

Your videos get better and better! I've never seen a mainstream (sorry about the pun) documentary to touch your refreshing style and research. Thanks!

[@MartinZero]

Thank you 👍

[@KaptainKlunk1]

Enjoy the videos keep up the good work EEEEEE AAAAAR......also folks ..Bangkok Pat ..KZbin...another knowledgeable channel based in Bangkok.....✌️☮️

[@MartinZero]

Cheers Kaptain

[@lisaperrin3298]

Great video Martin, thank you 😊❤

[@MartinZero]

Thanks Lisa

[@grahamwickens7049]

thanks Guys, yet another interesting Journey.

[@silogen]

Beautifully done. I had no idea about Ardwick Cemetery

[@dixonsindorset]

Strange bit of trivia: I proposed to my wife on a rainy October night 34 years ago on Kincardine Road in Brunswick. To think that we were almost on top of the Cornbrook at the time!

[@MartinZero]

Go back and do it again and mention the Cornbrook to her 😄

[@dixonsindorset]

@@MartinZero Not sure I dare take the risk a second time!

[@UKVampy]

It's nice to hear someone else loves OMD.

[@MartinZero]

Top band 👍🏻

[@geoffknight4881]

Hi Martin. Your video brought back some memories. I was born within spitting distance of the Apollo and went to Saturday morning matinees there when it belonged to the ABC group (along with about 2000 other local kids). As a point of reference, where you were stood in the opening sequence with your back to the Apollo is historically Chorlton on Medlock (previously Chorlton Row), the division between it and Ardwick being Stockport Road (behind you in front of the Apollo). Chorlton-on-Medlock is bordered to the north by the River Medlock. Its other borders roughly correspond to Hathersage Road (prev. High St), Moss Lane East and Boundary Lane, and it's neighbouring districts are Hulme to the west, Ardwick to the east and Victoria Park, Rusholme and Moss Side to the south. The original Polygon Estate was situated in Chorlton on Medlock and the street where I was born would have been on its fringes before it was demolished and the streets of two up and two downs built. Interestingly, Prime Minister David Lloyd George was born in New York Place, Chorlton on Medlock. The museum dedicated to him in Llanystumdwy, Wales has the original street sign of New York Place that was presented by Manchester Council. It was strange to see Stockport Road so quiet and now lacking any real character, the same as other Manchester suburbs that suffered mass demolition in 1960's/70's. I remember it being lined with shops, businesses, pubs, houses, cafes, churches and small factories more or less from the Apollo to Levenshulme. Thanks for your brilliant videos.

[@MartinZero]

Hi Geoff, glad you enjoyed the video. Stockport road was mental, I waited ages for a gap in the traffic to film that bit. Take care and thanks again

[@stratfan]

Absolutely brilliant as always.

[@billbrown5640]

Yay more Cornbrook action been waiting on this to return haha

[@MartinZero]

Cheers

[@Bonehead777]

Truly excellent guys. Well done for the underground trip.

[@MartinZero]

Thank you

[@markandjanice6234]

Amazing, I was also born in St Mary’s and first lived in Ardwick before moving to Longsight, then Salford. I have been to the Apollo many times, but I had no idea what was going on under the roads and pavements.

[@MartinZero]

Am hoping it doesnt affect the Apollo too much

[@Andrea-73]

Hats off to you Martin and team, great video thanks

[@MartinZero]

Thanks Andrea

[@trevorkent7916]

Brilliant as always

[@shirleylynch7529]

Brave, brave men the 5 of you are. This was brilliant. Thank you for your amazing explore. So informative. Incredible filming.

[@simonholliday9874]

Superb as ever. Bring on part five.

[@MartinZero]

Partially filmed underground 👍🏻

[@ruthbrierley1798]

What a great explore! Thank you Martin, Roy, James, Marcus and Nick.

[@MartinZero]

Thank you Ruth

[@elainemclelland]

Wow! Can't make my mind up if your brave on bonkers! Fantastic insight to, what sounds such a delightful stream 'Cornbrook', but it's so sad it's no such thing! Thanks for making it and sharing your findings. x

[@michaeldibb]

24:38 looks like a gravestone on the right, I'm sure it isn't though. Another cracking explore, martin.

[@MartinZero]

Cheers Michael

[@tompettersson3814]

I am glad it is not "stenchvision". Awesome video as always :)

[@jetsons101]

Martin, what a great watch along with a great team. Does anyone know or investigated what is really under Manchester ??? There must be hundreds of years of culverts, sewers, lost rivers, storm drains, long forgotten basements, underground canals and so on. People of Manchester and other old big cities live, work and play not knowing what lies under their feet. Amazing watch and thanks to you and all of the team.

[@davidkane4614]

Here Here

[@jetsons101]

@@davidkane4614 Well earned by Martin and Team.

[@MartinZero]

Cheers, yeah weve only scratched the surface

[@petefrys545]

Another great video

[@andrewmaurerandrew6801]

Quality as always top man keep them coming brilliant as always 🧁🥧🍦

[@MartinZero]

Thanks Andrew

[@markandjanice6234]

I always marvel at the engineering ability that Industrial Great Britain had from the 18th century canals right through to the 20th century Edwardian era. What happened to this great nation?

[@MichealRandall-q2x]

Generations of greedy self serving politicians

[@johnhudghton3535]

Capitalists found they could get greater profits overseas where labour was cheaper and costly health and safety etc did not exist.

[@markandjanice6234]

Yes, and politicians became more interested in short-term populism and votes rather than long-term planning. Grand 'made to last' buildings and infrastructure gave way to monstrosities and back handers.

[@BigD63]

Thank again Martin, great video and content. Good to see all the lads up and about. Best regards from Chicago

[@BigD63]

I can not comprehend the travesty to ardwick cemetery by simply removing the headstones and making it a football feild. God help else all

[@robertrosicki9290]

Great video Martin . I worked for the Municipal Waterworks Dept . where I live in northern Ontario Canada for 27 years. The average citizen has no idea or reason to know what's going on right under their feet . There's an endless maze of pressurized pipes and gravity flow drains doing their jobs 24/7.

[@MartinZero]

Fascinating stuff Robert

[@neilharrison7422]

Another fascinating video Martin, well done to you all, looked horrible in parts.

[@MartinZero]

It certainly was Neil

[@thomasdieckmann5711]

Thanks, Martin. The way you tell the story and set things into a historic context is wonderful! The (possible) location where the steam locomotive sank in, what a find!

[@MartinZero]

I need to get back to you on that subject Thomas

[@TheMadSc1ent1st420]

I wish I had some of these tunnels around here in the states where I am Nothing but barns and dairy farms

[@MartinZero]

We are blessed with these things

[@TalesOfWar]

I"m sure there's plenty of interesting old things where you are, you just have to go and look for them.

[@TheSadButMadLad]

I used to be able to see the Apollo from my bedroom window when I was a teenager. That was aeons ago.

[@MartinZero]

I bet you could hear the gigs as well

[@TheSadButMadLad]

@@MartinZero Not much really. Most of the noise was from the crowds and people outside the venue.

[@Randy_Loafers]

I went to St Greg’s school in Ardwick and remember the regular punch ups with Nichols school. Ahh…happy days.

[@MartinZero]

Sounds great 😄

[@viennacat1]

Superb as always! So interesting to see this side of Manchester and you really bring the story alive with the old maps and descriptions of what would have been a posh & green area, thanks!

[@MartinZero]

Thank you

[@nigelbarker4135]

Brilliant 👍👏👏👏 Very interesting and informative. Roy’s really coming into his own🫡🫡🫡🫡

[@otakarkuby3926]

In Middlesbrough I played in a park which used to be a cemetery, they just lined all the head stones along an adjacent wall and built a playground over part of it.

[@MartinZero]

I think to be honest its quite a common practice with these very old cemeteries

[@mesmogruvinski]

Thankyou Martin. Roy, John, James for another fantastic history lesson and journey through past and present.

[@MartinZero]

Thank you for watching

[@leemorris3805]

Another classic. ... that music, the maps, the old photos. Back in Manchester , in a tunnel . Love the whole series of the lost rivers of Manchester. Thanks Martin!! Lee and Caroline , Wiltshire .

[@MartinZero]

Thanks Lee & Caroline 👍🏻

[@onejohn2007]

Worked at Hyde Road Depot from 2000 to 2009. Never knew about the river underneath, and never knew about Ardwick cemetery either. Fascinating stuff. Thanks for educating me. Brilliant viewing.

[@MartinZero]

Cheers, The cemetery was a brilliant find for us 👍🏻

[@onejohn2007]

Also Martin, did you know that journeys end of this video (Bennett Sidings) was the Driving School for Greater Manchester Transport/GM Busesat one time? It had a skid pan, one of only two in the country, Chiswick in London the other. Sold off by Stagecoach sadly.

[@bertbertsonson]

Absolutely fascinating. I've worked all round this area for the last 20 years so know it reasonably well. Amazing to see what it was like.

[@MartinZero]

Thanks Bert

[@mancdave123]

Great vid ❤

[@MartinZero]

Cheers Dave

[@Polk811]

Love watching your vids. Did you ever do the shelters below Canal St or the Guardian TE!

[@MartinZero]

Unfortunately its not easy to get into

[@Polk811]

@@MartinZero true, apart from authorized access think the only way is to keep an eye on the southern access entry tunnel, been “opened” in the past !