The Lost World of Mitchell and Kenyon pt1

Life & Times.
In the first episode Dan Cruickshank tells how the films of Sagar Michell and James Kenyon were discovered and look at what they tell us about the lives of ordinary people in Edwardian England.

[@ghost-ez2zn]

Fascinating! I love history and watching this is almost as good as a time machine. Thank you for posting 👍👍👍

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[@shuddupeyaface]

Stunning. To think all those people are gone, and get captured forever. Amazing.

[@TrudyPatootie]

How fascinating. My grandmother was born in 1899 and my great grandmother in 1879... This could have been a peek into their lives. I'm 74 and remember them well.

[@oldcremona]

That is our tangible, living connection to history.

[@TrudyPatootie]

@@oldcremona Yes it is...I was a history major years ago in college. I love to revisit and peek in. Have a good day Cremona...

[@nickcook7408]

Your great grandma had a daughter when she was 10yrs old?

[@filipstamate1564]

@@nickcook7408 Maybe use a calculator next time if simple subtraction is too difficult for you.

[@crystalemeralddiamond9571]

@@nickcook7408 he's 74 years old, he could have made a typo, (happens all the time), he could be meaning one thing and typing another. He has nothing to gain if he's telling a lie - except maybe ridicule. Throw him a bone and enjoy the movies.

[@vinnysamways63]

I remember seeing this when it was first broadcast. Simply fascinating! The closest we'll ever get to time travel.

[@fluentpiffle]

They tell us a lot about OUR lives, as we have evolved from these people.. Look at the kind of mindsets, and see how they have been passed down to us through association..

[@boiperfection4797]

Wow! And everyone looks at the camera in such astonishment and wonder. History is awesome to see.

[@paulbcote]

Some of them look as if they were trying to look 120 years into the future.

[@elrea-lynnpeach6640]

WONDERFUL!! Although it breaks my heart though, Not ONE person in them would still be alive today. Any form of recording device is amazing to think about now a days. So back in 1901 that would have been just magical

[@PibrochPonder]

Tick tock goes the hands of time.

[@mrsrockanrose]

Incredibly beautiful. Deeply touched by this films ,thank you Sir Thank you 😊

[@BilgemasterBill]

Thanks for taking the time to get this up here. The research identifying the descendants and interviewing them really helped flesh it out. One insight I can add from having shot just a couple of rolls through an old '20s or '30s vintage 16mm Keystone 'Model D' crank-operated camera is how passersby react to being filmed by one. Point most any "regular" camera, whether still or motion, at many people and they often show annoyance. Film them with a crank one, and even now they're often beguiled and curious, as displayed in many of those scenes. There's just something about its "kinematic" display of the process from the subjects' point of view that makes it alluring.

[@MrDaiseymay]

Most people were aware of Camera's, but they were puzzled when the opperator turned a handle on the side, that was far less understood.

[@mayflowerlash11]

Absolutely priceless find. Much of this film nearly didn't survive. the builders almost threw them on the junk pile. And even when the film was made it probably had commercial value for the person commissioning the film. After the film served it's purpose its commercial value would have dropped even further. It's nothing short of a miracle that it has survived. Another observation. The moving pictures we are seeing have the serrated artifact as a consequence of the telecine process. The film is projected onto a small screen of a semitransparent nature. A modern camera is located on the opposite to the projector and records the moving images on the screen. As a consequence of the scanning method of the modern camera, anything that moves quickly across the screen gets the jagged serrated artefact on the edges. I know this because I have had 8mm film from the 1950's telecined onto VHS and digitally to MiniDV, and they both have these jaggys. If this film is so valuable to the history of England then why is it not digitised frame by frame? It is a lengthier process and more expensive but will remove the jaggies and hence be a more accurate representation of the events in the film. Film finds like this are priceless. They cannot be replaced by anything. They are irreplaceable.

[@MrDaiseymay]

I have all the BBC DVD's of this series, and from the beguinning it states that the BFI use state of the art to repair , clean, and correct the speed, via computer's. Futunately, these films were originals, not copies, so were the best available.

[@Ferdy1969]

Just amazing and such a treasure !!!!

[@yogihaughton]

Incredible! These film makers really created something special for us to touch

[@mybabychihuahua]

Amazing!!!! I love this kind of documentaries!

[@JamesHawkeYouTube]

I love a narrator with a good David Attenborough voice. Great films.

[@delzworld2007]

A fascinating look at a long ago time in history. As a young man, I worked for a textile machinery company in Macclesfield during the 1960/70's. Strangely, from my memories of that time, a lot hadn't changed much since the early 20th century. Of course I suspect things are far different now in this region of long gone cotton mills and factories.

[@paulfaulkner6299]

I remember watching these around 10 to 20 years ago on the Beeb - fantastic!

[@bookaufman9643]

Hats. Every man in every film from before 1955 -1960 is wearing a hat. It's the same in England or America. There's different kinds of hats, some of them denoting economic status, but nonetheless no man would show his bare head to the heavens. It'd be like forgetting your pants these days. No matter what the occasion and no matter what the season, a hat was always there.

[@johnllewlyndavies222]

Well spotted. Harry Champion wrote a song "Ginger - you're barmy" about a man thought to be mad because he didn't wear a hat. My forebears were milliners so were much in favour of sustaining the rule!

[@larrybarger1077]

yes... according to commentary on "Bridge of Spies" evev in the 50's it was almost unthinkable to leave the house without a hat ..

[@ryankenyon5010]

Some people have said that U.S. President Kennedy helped usher in the era of hatless men.

[@georgehowell5877]

This is True..I'm 70, remember people saying Kennedy was weird, or arrogant ,because he never wore a hat......A lot of people did not not really like JFK, especially in the South......@@ryankenyon5010

[@richardearnshaw2719]

Somebody has their 'thinking cap' on 😆🤣👍

[@oceanwanderer8065]

I wonder if those young Lads managed to survive the Trenches in WW1. Michell and Kenyon have left us a priceless legacy.

[@girlgirl4548]

Quite a few would have lost their lives, many would have come back maimed or damaged for life. I had a friend from Burnley whose father came back but having lost both legs, he spent the rest of his life in a wheelchair. The Pals Regiments showed what a homogenous country Britain was at that time.

[@benlotus2703]

This is insightful and fascinating.

[@grahamwalker2312]

The section of the film taken on the top deck of a tram at 18.15 / 58.54 is Halifax, West Yorkshire. The tram is travelling down Lee Bank overlooking the Crossley's Carpet site towards the town centre. Much of this hillside scene still exists, but sadly missing the trams and Northern Railway line to Queensbury. Most of the mill chimneys have now gone. Halifax was mainly known as a Woollen Mill town, cotton being the preserve of the Lancashire Mills. My own Grandfathers were born in this area in the middle 1890's.

[@pfranks75]

Little did the cameramen of this bygone era be recording daily life for countless people to view in movie theaters, television and the internet. How many of the young boys meet their end in the battlefields of World War I? The world has certainly changed over the past 130 years.

[@stevenmcglinchey2293]

The collection was originally brought by the two workmen who discovered the barrels to a local filmmaker Nigel Gregory, who then alerted Peter Worden. He never received due credit for his quick thinking. No mention of him in this documentary

[@chriswoodworth1894]

Dan Cruikshank’s opening shot is on Brantfell Rd in Blackburn, aka 60 steps. We had to run up these for our cross country runs at school

[@charlytaylor1748]

I was similarly punished in Bolton in the 60s/70s (tbh i liked X-country)

[@fabiengerard8142]

👌 I’d never heard of M&K personally - what a major and priceless treasure for humankind!!!

[@fredzep01]

This is brilliant, wonder what they will make of us in a hundred years, that's if we make it there of course....

[@tonymurray814]

If Putin and his fellow Demons don’t nuke us all!!!

[@JacobafJelling]

5:55 savage tackle. The 'Edwardian chokehold' ;) greetings from Denmark

[@davidjohnston7512]

I have great grandmothers named Mary Moran from Chorley,Lancashire and Ann Kenyon also from Chorley,Lancashire.I’m Australian but my mother’s family came from Lancashire and I’m guessing I’m related to the people in this film.

[@GFSTaylor]

My father's mother was Mary Moran. She was from Halifax and moved to Littleborough, Lancashire, when she married.

[@davidjohnston7512]

@@GFSTaylor I have DNA links with some Taylor’s on ancestry DNA.Some I share common ancestors with.Just wondering if we could be related?

[@GFSTaylor]

@@davidjohnston7512 Well, Taylor is one of the commonest names in England. It's possible, of course, but I don't know much about the family history.

[@romystumpy1197]

Wouldnt be surprised as kenyon is unusual

[@ShadowNinetales]

Thank you for uploading this. The link my university provided unfortunately led to an upload that had been deleted, so a helpful classmate found and linked this upload for us instead. :) (And the same thing applies to part 3)

[@jontalbot1]

The Edwardian age was a golden age for many. People have time and money for leisure. It is noticeable how well turned out people look. They also look pretty healthy- healthier than the modern population. Not many people smoking and no obesity.

[@Wardads1]

No they werent healthier ,chock full of diseases and smoking was more prevalent than today hence the UK life expectancy of 47yrs for men and 50 for women compared to 80 -83 . 25% of children died before the age of 5 so you can keep that era don't think you'll enjoy it as much as you think .

[@jontalbot1]

@@Wardads1 Quite right, I stand corrected. Having said that our longer life expectancy is not one accompanied by good health.

[@johngellard1187]

@@Wardads1 Yes,even I had pigs trotters when I was young😁.I gave up lamb though when I saw the leftover fat that set in the tray,1 inch thick.....

[@ginettechiverton7113]

I'm almost sure I saw this as a short series maybe 30 something years ago on TV. I find these old film clips Fascinating.😊☮️

[@barbaraprest783]

A different world and way of life long gone 💐

[@aguilacalva2625]

Wonderful film material 👍👏👏

[@evertdevries8814]

A very fortunate find by a conscientious builder who got the films into the right hands.....

[@brightsilver2869]

A real treat. Thank you!

[@williamf4544]

To think every single person in these pictures are now dead - makes you think - and also old aunts or neighbours you used to speak to when you were a child - to think a few of them were born in the 1870s

[@2charliep]

I remember this when it first broadcast, and it’s still just as fascinating.

[@sarkybugger5009]

Nasty high tackle at 5:57 Don't think you're getting away from this one... Ouch!

[@anth5122]

Dan Cruikshank always enjoyed his programs

[@rowbearly6128]

Thank God (the people that fought for justice) for Unions. THEY stopped child labour, gave workers rights and demanded safety measures.

[@West.Ham1964]

I remember this when it was first broadcast. I so much prefer the old grainy b&w we see rather than the restored colourised stuff with unnecessary added sound you see on here quite often.

[@lizzyhall9823]

Wow to think I'm looking at ghosts all dead and gone a fascinating window in to the past and to think these films were nearly lost

[@sallybennett7869]

What a wonderful find. Beautiful architecture and no enforced mass diversity.

[@discosecret6363]

Such a wholesome, unenlightened (racist) attitude.

[@Weird.Dreams]

@@discosecret6363 Be quiet, mrat loving imbecile.

[@vincekerrigan8300]

​@@discosecret6363What is racist about stating a fact?

[@nathanjasper512]

Its going to be interesting how we will leave behind so many more photos and videos for our decendents than these people could.

[@robharding5345]

Just amazing ! These guys Mitchell & kenyon are long dead, like all the folks in the clips, but their fine work is right here for all to see !

[@philipmcdonagh1094]

I laugh, this is true, I once asked my Gran did people walk that fast. And she replied of course it was known as the fast walking days. Since learnt I wasn't the first naive child that was told that.

[@paulmcdonough1093]

i thought the same

[@gerardcousineau3478]

🤣

[@PibrochPonder]

Lol

[@charlytaylor1748]

and wagon wheels went backwards

[@helenbartoszek243]

After watching an old movie, my daughter asked me if the world was black and white in those days! She was about five or six at the time.

[@mares3841]

Thank you

[@DJ-Brownie-UK]

When you watch this with your mind and eyes wide open and witness the truth is very harrowing indeed. The manipulation of society at the hands of the controllers 😔😪😒

[@JacobafJelling]

The background music makes me think this is slightly newer than VHS-times. Anyway, genius upload and channel idea. I Subbed

[@dubinatub1]

Priceless

[@ginettechiverton7113]

I hope we can see more of these.😊☮️

[@geoffreycodnett6570]

The housing appears to be on the hill and is still there with a building near the factory replaced possibly after WWII

[@fredflintstoner596]

Mrs Richards: "I paid for a room with a view!" Basil: (pointing to the lovely view) "That is Torquay, Madam." Mrs Richards: "It's not good enough!" Basil: "May I ask what you were expecting to see out of a Torquay hotel bedroom window? Sydney Opera House, perhaps? the Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically past?..." Mrs Richards: "Don't be silly! I expect to be able to see the sea!" Basil: "You can see the sea, it's over there between the land and the sky." Mrs Richards: "I'm not satisfied. But I shall stay. But I expect a reduction." Basil: "Why?! Because Krakatoa's not erupting at the moment?

[@thomaseriksen6885]

Good times

[@fredflintstoner596]

@@thomaseriksen6885 ANYONE FOR TRIFLE ? THE DUCK'S OFF !

[@lorrainegunn4111]

How can anyone NOT love John Cleese?!

[@fredflintstoner596]

@@lorrainegunn4111 WHAT IS WIT NIT ?

[@S-O-T]

I keep commenting on old videos saying they should be put on TV to see if someone can recognise their ancestors 😎

[@MrDaiseymay]

THIS SERIES WAS ON TV, ABOUT 20YRS AGO. YOU CAN STILL BUY THE VIDEOS. FANTASITIC VIDS.

[@williamf4544]

Yes - and there must be so many old photographs out there somewhere - some even with names on that people would like to see if they are related - i would love to see photographs of my ancestors - but where did the photographs go - who got them - does someone somewhere still have the lying in an old box they got when their Grandma died

[@joseserrano141]

This is real time machine to the past

[@grandadlovestheo2387]

Fantastic piece of history 🇬🇧👍

[@girlgirl4548]

The BBC would not today make any of these programmes showing the Britain of a century ago. For obvious reasons.

[@andrewnelson3681]

Yes. These films are absolute proof that at least in the areas where these films were taken, Britain was not a multiracial place.

[@vincekerrigan8300]

​@@andrewnelson3681 It wasn't multi racial anywhere. The so-called history spouted today, telling the gullible what a large number of black people were living in the country, and the wonderful contribution they made to society, is all egregious lies.

[@henryjohnfacey8213]

​​​​@@andrewnelson3681where I was brought up it was. Dockland south London. My best friend was from Guyana. My cousin Indian. Grandfathers family Jewish. Ex wife half Russian. Friends of the family Polish ex RAF. Grand mother Welsh. Other Grand mothers mother Irish. Wonderful to see film of my grandfathers times. Belgian refugees from WWl, Canadians, Indians. My ancestors served in the peninsula campaign. Where only 56% of Wellingtons army where there first language was English. Amazing. Happy days.Greetings from Yorkshire. Have a nice day.

[@johndoe1765]

Our lives around the world in one hundred have not changed much the world's people are still driven and owned by industry.

[@richardearnshaw2719]

The refrain "On Ilkley-moor bar t'at" I still can hear my forebears (well there were only two of them, lol) singing, was as far as I can tell a nonsensical silly song that people sang - at the football (soccer) - or when so moved to idle away the minutes spent waiting for no apparent reason. It made for comic relief and people bonded over such moments. It was indeed a different time - where notions of time could be personal and whimsical and where people often resisted the new obsession with 'punctuality' and 'time and motion studies' that sought to regulate the natural idiosyncratic foibles of individualism to deliver on 'production' forecasts and contractual deadlines. Some started way earlier than others and perhaps if we studied closely we might imagine we can spot who were already 'racing the clock' and who still lived in the innocent bliss of serendipitous mayhem 🤣😇🤔 Oh! Ilkleymoor a no doubt windswept natural and vegetated hillside & bar t'at meant without hat - what a silly Billy! I'm in Australia now, and at 65 and quickly balding like my 'dar' (father) before me I am just as quickly learning that more than 30% of heat is lost thru the head so this winter I'll be donning not a cap or a hat but a covering nonetheless- the humble beanie! Aaah time! the recorder of memories 🥰😊

[@makepool]

My Grandmother, who was born in 1910, used to sing "On Ilkley-moor bar t'at", I never knew what it meant and you're the only other person I've ever heard repeat it. I was beginning to think it was a false memory of mine.

[@crazychick6666]

Absolutely amazing footage 👏

[@johngellard1187]

The footage from so long ago is a marvel,but for technical excellence,we must not forget the camera.The construction and workings had to be technical enough that as each frame passed the lens,it had to be stationary for a millisecond before moving on.Otherwise the film would be blurred.

[@pingpong5000]

I think Dan Cruickshank has the most please voice for documentaries, every program is made more interesting because of his voice. We are so lucky to have these glimpses into to OUR past, let us hope that the blm woke tosspots never get their way in defiling our history.

[@ghost-ez2zn]

@Ping Pong I just hope nobody uses the comments to make an irrelevant political comment.

[@pingpong5000]

@@ghost-ez2zn Seems some trolards fail to see the real relevance of these archives or how relevant the need is to preserve them for what they represent, shame they feel entitled to dribble their lack of wisdom on others thoughts on the relevance of our recorded history, don't folk like you spend all your time out vandalising statues of your betters.

[@vincekerrigan8300]

​​What would you consider an irrelevant political comment?

[@zerofox7347]

I believe the difference between people now and then is everyone had great optimism for the future, everything was getting better. Now we seem to be looking at the decline of our culture unfortunately.

[@nevillemason6791]

I don't know why you think 'everyone had great optimism for the future' in 1900. You were very lucky to live to 60 and there was no retirement pension. If you couldn't work, didn't have relatives to look after you in old age the only alternative was being condemned to live in the workhouse. Life is lightyears better in 2022 than 1900 (and life expectancy is some 30+ years more.)

[@bookaufman9643]

Only a British production would have Dan Cruikshank and profile with his nose hair clearly hanging out. It seems as if somebody could have seen that and said hold on let's snip this and then shoot it again. Definitely a different vibe with BBC or BBC style productions.

[@DarrenBushnall68]

When did this programme originally air as the TV.s in peoples homes are nearly as ancient as the film they are watching !

[@MrDaiseymay]

2006, there are still Terraced houses in large cities

[@michaelholycross2633]

Gee, I see actual British people. Amazing. So much for the current narrative.

[@stephenturner6075]

The Kalergiplan has destroyed the UK.

[@edwardsmith9644]

Well build a time machine and go back or suck it up to the 21st century.

[@Jess-k6q]

That didn’t take long…..

[@edwardkerrigan5356]

Yes. The BBC wouldn't consider showing these films now, because they show the population as it actually was, not as they would like people to believe it was. Everyone depicted, without exception, is white. Hear that - WHITE!

[@jajanesaddictions]

What are you talking about

[@fredzep01]

5.56 some proper rugby, man gets his head ripped from his shoulders, and nobody battered an eyelid...

[@philipmcdonagh1094]

Ah the good old days.

[@AnyoneCanSee]

Hahaha, well spotted. That tackle would be so illegal today.

[@fredzep01]

@@AnyoneCanSee this is from a time when it was called simply a contact sport, hahaha...

[@JacobafJelling]

42:00 Mary Moran speaks fantastic English. Greetings from Denmark

[@paigeleigh2554]

Absolutely wonderful! New subscriber. X

[@debbiesunlight7047]

Subbed. Brilliant.

[@judychallender2778]

With reference to bowler hats - I went to work in London in 1970. Like the gentleman said, all the men in the city wore bowlers, were suited (very often stripped) had brief cases and carried rolled umbrellas. It sounds cliched but, it was true! I remember seeing the tallest man I'd ever seen dressed in a similar way. Coming from the country it was quite bizarre. However, my own grandfather would go to his work as a gardener in coat, trousers and waistcoat with flat cap and homburg style headwear on Sundays. My uncle from Bournemouth would visit and always be smartly dressed wearing a dark fedora or homburg hat (I don't know the difference, I've even looked it up and I'm still stumped! It was one or the other though). Ladies were always beautifully dressed and wore either hats or scarves. Regarding the clogs in the mills, my hubby is from Manchester and he remembers seeing people wearing them, he's only 60 now! An 'old lady' was considered so from about 50 years. Mum would tell me she recalled seeing her granny smoking a pipe - she was an irish immigrant living in Newcastle. How times have changed!

[@ginettechiverton7113]

I find ordinary people Much More Interesting in these film clips.😊☮️

[@thepandeslar8062]

Beautiful view of HMS Victory at 44:30

[@MrDaiseymay]

not Victory, can't remember the name, but it was burn't and sunk off Anglesey.

[@isabelwood1671]

In 1954 my father bought his first car (an Austin Ruby). He squeezed into it and drove home. In those days all men wore hats, and he was 6 feet tall. When he got home he threw away his hat and never wore one again. Cars were the main reason why men stopped wearing hats.

[@debbiesunlight7047]

Same weather I see. Lol

[@nielsduerden9849]

Thank 😊

[@GrattanHillSettler]

They recorded a great video of the Muskerry light rail, Cork in 1902.

[@paulspice4717]

One thing changed drastically. Every single person man, women and child, has a hat on!

[@julieblackstock8650]

This was fascinating

[@cargumdeu]

how sad that whole area resembles a suburb of Karachi now.

[@juanhunglow2220]

Interesting how the BBC would have you believe that we were a multicultural society back then……. it would appear not to be the case!

[@girlgirl4548]

Yes, proof that the narrative they push 24/7 is nothing but lies.

[@vincekerrigan8300]

Juan. Most definitely NOT.

[@jean6872]

Treasure films. The English working class had it hard.

[@rosaryboy4271]

Our great history 👍

[@julielittle1270]

My Grandfather was called James Kenyon & had family in Lancashire

[@richardkennedy8481]

25:50 "Compared to today the divide between rich and poor was Huge"? Today it's HUGER!

[@phillylifer]

Did you see that takedown just before the six minute mark?

[@JohnDoe-tx8lq]

The rugby match is total chaos, totally different from today! And that would now be a completely illegal tackle - 05:52 just grabs him round the neck and pull him backwards!! 😄

[@williamf4544]

I know my Gran and her sisters worked at the pit head and her brothers worked down the mine

[@alanjohnson2528]

...my granda was doon the pit by 12 ...they were worked like pit ponies, he had his thumb end cut off and received only the afternoon off andno comp,they musta been hard as fuk. He is right even though a miner was not rich he and everyone wore a suit , silk scarf and hanker chief etc

[@filipstamate1564]

What does a chief of hankers do?

[@johngellard1187]

Those pit ponies were down there so long when they came back up they were blind.

[@gendi07]

The man towards the back of the line at 3:47 is probably the first person to flick off a camera.

[@peterdaley6553]

Regards "Gratitude", there is the 5th Blessing, "Blessed Are The Thanksgivers" in words of Jesus through the voice of Dr George King in London 1958.

[@herrfister1477]

7:15 jag has the sports grill. Respect.

[@geoffwebber9222]

That tackle at 5:45...ooooffff

[@zerofox7347]

44:36 That looks like HMS Victory at anchor.

[@sandgrownun66]

There's a lot of movement in these films. So they needed to be deinterlaced before upload. That would eliminate the lines seen throughout the video.

[@masterblaster9123]

Just wow

[@skevosmavros]

Someone needs to hand fresh telecines of these films to the AI upscaling channels. I'd love to see what they do with it.

[@MrDaiseymay]

All these series were first Televised about 2006, they are all available on Amazon.

[@filipstamate1564]

AI uspcaling changes and add stuff that wasn't there in the first place. You're not seeing what was there originally. You're seeing stuff added on by the AI. It's pointless.

[@skevosmavros]

@@filipstamate1564 technically true, but the additions (extra interpolated frames and apparent detail) are not deceptive or harmful, and the automated removal of distracting particles and film damage is also good. Anything to get the footage seen by more people is okay with me. Except AI colouring, it's not ready for prime time yet.

[@jamesclarke350]

Every man in Europe and North America wore hats in society for centuries. The person who broke the mould was President John F. Kennedy. The only time he was pictured wearing a hat was at his inauguration in 1961. By the mid 1960s the vast majority of men were no longer wearing hats, no doubt due to this handsome and charismatic world figure unconsciously providing a new trend in fashion.

[@fredzep01]

I used to live behind the back of the cameraman on the opening shot of the Morecambe seafront... not back in 1901, before someone says it ! 😏 although it sometimes feels like i do....

[@dnavid]

fish and chips: potatoes originate in the Americas and fish were available everywhere. On New York's Long Island before the arrival of europeans the native people were whalers and potatoes grew there wild. So fish + potatoes + cooking oil (whale) can equal fish and chips, these people had thousands of years to develop their cuisine btw. So my theory is that the Matinecock, the Nissequog, the Setalcott, the Corchaug, the Canarsee, the Marsapeague, the Secatogue, the Unkechaug, and the Shinnecock who were whalers had their own fried fish and taters. This is where fish and chips came from, they had sea salt and vinegar (wild grape) too. Perhaps some 16thC English sailor was treated to this and brought it home but just as likely the English having the same menu available, taters, fish, oil plus hunger and invention came up with it just as easily as the people of the Americas. Just pointing this out in the 21st century. Great program btw.

[@duellingscarguevara]

Fish and chips, (famous English cuisine), was introduced by Jews, and became popular, as meat was not eaten on Friday, by some Christian sects, apparently. (Saw it in a doco, feel free to fact-check).

[@dnavid]

@@duellingscarguevara the fish bit yes but potatoes are from the Americas (Peru) so Jews would not have had chips with their fish until europeans brought them home and decided to eat them, your vision is parochial I am suggesting something far more profound.

[@duellingscarguevara]

@@dnavid one of my progenitors, told Raleigh about tobacco and potatoes from an earlier voyage, apparently. Had the Nat geo, with the history of the spud, that old movie “Aran Man”, will have to see if I can find it on YT, ( but I suspect the epic whale shark hunting scene, would have it banned?), has spuds grown between rocks, in a seaweed soil. Strange late night film, to come across.

[@54000biker]

27.46 Electric vehicles sign on the garage door.