The LOTRO Crafting Overhaul is... Rough

[@Louey7]

As an update, after I recorded and edited this video, SSG finally did acknowledge that portions of the crafting revamp were delayed and that there were some other bugs (but this still doesn't address everything missing): forums.lotro.com/index.php?threads/umbar-no-new-multi-ressources-track-buff-yet.4431/#post-45527 forums.lotro.com/index.php?threads/umbar-no-new-multi-ressources-track-buff-yet.4431/#post-45531 forums.lotro.com/index.php?threads/crafting-issue-corsairs-of-umbar-release.4479/

[@michaelreid5307]

Being able to craft basic usable armour is a must for tailor & metalsmith. Compared to the early game (e.g. SOA) it's a real shame to see how crafting has declined.

[@gscgold]

First off...NO one that has leveled from crafting only like farming / cooking believes leveling from crafting is easy. I can promise you getting to max level past level 50 is NOT easy like people are saying it is..I leveled an alt to 85 just to have it for using Heritage runes at level for 85 ..it took me a 4 days of 12 hour days just farming ( I was on vacation during that )..I didn't just buy seed and let my character go just throwing seed..I harvested each crop and then converted those crops to a finished product ..you get very little xp from just casting seeds from farming even if you used xp boost which would be a total waste of money.

[@nickdanger4568]

Holy Mackerel... 30 boards for a crossbow?!? I used to love crafting in this game, now it's going to be a grind gathering materials.

[@gscgold]

they did say they were going to revisit how crafting used to be back pre crafting update long ago..

[@littlemissie7978]

Holy Mackerel indeed! 30 wood boards for a crossbow is absolutely outrageous!! 😮😮😮😧 I also used to love lotro crafting way back when. On tailoring for e.g. (as my main craft in the game) they used to start adding "3" leathers for 1 coat, (and legs e.t.c) I was like, okay that's not too bad, it's only 1 extra, only a bit more to collect. But THEN... a few updates later, (at about tier 5 or 6 ish) it wasn't 3 leathers.... it was 5.... bloody five!😯😯😠😠 My blood nearly boiled over by that point.🤨 So I told myself, right.... no more crafting for me SSG, this is waaaaayyyy too much of a time waster! This is where my crafting time is up with you!🤨 Now, at about lvl 50 and up, I've just started trying to buy most of my equips from the relevant npc at the boar fountain in Breetown, as much as I can get with motes. (or whatever the correct name is) I'm certainly NOT spending a single bit more of my time collecting more and more craft items just to make a single jacket or leggings, it's far too ridiculous now.😔😔 I just wade through the game doing the quests now, and chucking all crafting on the back burner instead. It just takes up far too much of my time.😔😔😔

[@Naturalcalvezilla]

30 boards is enoguh to build a catapult lol

[@neonseas]

I was under the impression that the inability of decoupling of crafting tiers from each other due to an old code problem that they announced would effect the ability to gather at any tier too. If I can't do Umbari craft as an apprentice tailor, I should also be unable to gather Umbari wood as an apprentice forester. I feel like those two are connected, and since they announced that there was a code wall that was impassable, I serioustly doubt that it is something that will be changed.

[@emilywagner6354]

I haven't looked at too much of the Umbar crafting yet, but what I'm most disappointed in is that the recipes _still_ require large numbers of special items that you have to grind, grind, grind to acquire. Thirty basic items (ingots, boards, etc.) aren't so bad, but THREE EACH PER PIECE of the rare crafting item sucks. I feel like I saw something by Orion, or someone in LOTRO, indicating that some of this stuff might be easier to get with special crafting events or something, but that's still grinding and some of aren't interested in "events."

[@DarthOoink]

Love your videos iv had game since launch (was not old enoughj to buy life time sub) iv come back and foward into game but never got very far but your videos have always been a blessing to help me restart with any change for new current or returning players

[@davidpiening3827]

My biggest issue is with crafting tools. I have changed the professions of a lot of toons, but all the crafting tools are still constructed by vocations (unless I missed something). I don't really want to spend points on Universal Toolkits for all my toons.

[@morrowoblivion13]

Universal tool kits are on the auction house too 😊 last time I remembered(idk for sure)

[@mallusdarkblade]

Crafting should always be a viable way to gear up your character in an MMO and it shouldn't ever take multiple rare ingredients to do so.

[@DeanFWilson]

Re: yellow essences, you can barter for them from the rep vendors, so I think adding them to crafting would detract from that. It's nice that we have ways to get both though. Re: one-time recipes, I wonder if something like learning/making them 5 times granting a permanent version (as if showing proficiency with the recipe -- i.e. not having to go back to check the ingredients, cooking times, etc.) would be a good middle ground.

[@JadesNews]

Very useful! Thanks!

[@wkmowels]

Crafting is one of the main reasons I play this game and they dropped the ball pretty bad. Feels bad man..

[@thegenxgamerr]

Somebody in world chat today reported that they lost all their guild rep on the profession they kept when they switched out the other two. I am glad they are doing work on crafting but they have a lot of work still left to do.

[@VoiceoftheRings]

I agree with you, We need Crafting to feel like It's really good. Also, You made Great points. I think It needs better options and I think the Yellow Items are to hard to make I agree.

[@notpc3070]

I Appreciate your updates on the the new expansion. I decided not to get the new expansion for now. Waiting for it to get in a more stable state and more of the crafting things implemented like promised. Until then playing some other games.

[@mirage8753]

this is always the case for lotro. at least they implement new races and classes before expansion now, so it dont go in complete mess

[@ladycaruso]

I’m so late, but I’m so excited about the idea that I can have my favorite crafting professions on one character! :D

[@morrowoblivion13]

I can only guess. 1)slow down exp gains from crafting(i have seen people reach lv 140 just by crafting) for example 1 barrow iron ingot(last time i remembered) costs like 5 barrow iron ores and you can turn that into iron shavings into a barrow iron ingot again and repeat. Or 2) they are still working on the crafting.

[@gscgold]

it takes forever ....forever...to level to 140 from crafting....it's not as easy as your making it out to be, you would know this if you tried to even reach level 50 plus from crafting.

[@morrowoblivion13]

@@gscgold true 😁 and great point there 👍. more work on the crafting needed to be done.

[@durinV]

​@@gscgoldit takes 60-70 gold and 3 days (spending 6-8hs per day) to reach 50 through farming xd

[@morrowoblivion13]

​@@durinVthe amounts of gold that can you can get at the auction house from crafted stuff. Getting 60-70 gold is easy. Like I bought a lv 125 captain standard for 20 gold at the auction house.

[@iiillliii9971]

It is actually worse than beta because some of the updates were in beta but not in live. I dont know how this happened but there are so many issues in this expansion release, even more than normal for LOTRO

[@blackyvertigo]

Sounds like they went live with an earlier build

[@krasava90]

Hey, guys! As a new player I can't understand some things about the update - can somebody explain to me, please, how can I drop one of my current professions and take another one? For example, I have a 20 lvl champion with Metalsmith vocation and want to change Tailor to a Cook, but it only shows me that I can change my vocation for other vocations..so, where and how can I change only one profession? Thanks!

[@jamesfbeveridge8694]

My main crafters are all at max crafting levels and guilds so I'm not concerned about Umbari crafting or guild recipes. They'll arrive. My level 105 cook has a stack of Umbari seed and water so will be able to feed and buff my 140's. I do like to be rid of a few of my crafter's untrained crafts and add a new gathering skill. That'll be good. So, no complaints from me on crafting so far.

[@Athe131]

well Orion? What say you? .... WHAT SAY YOU!?

[@Doug111973]

Good video.. now im in no hurry to buy the expac.. Unfortunately crafting went to poo after level 50

[@myteeone8619]

So far all drop recipes have been single use

[@pattycake427]

I was really looking forward to the tracking updates and was really wondering what happened

[@REMINISC3NT116]

tracking updates?

[@spencerhulme1203]

Before the Umbra update at level 140 metalsmith there was 1st age armour the crafting was 5 red sea stones and 50 ingots, but they all have been removed, must be the level 150 craft tier i assume. Personally i think the craft system is broken,

[@RogdushTheMystic]

just because of unrealistic rquirement of teal rare shard ingredient ive never crafted gear for MM/gunda. That is just pur ridiculous to have such req. 3 shards u may want to give for teal gear but not for shit one. Sad to see SSG have not learned. Last time basic craft gear was usable it was westemnet times.

[@DizzWhazzUp]

On the 1-time use crafting note: do what they did with the original crafting guilds; have cooldowns on them instead. 3/5/7 days depending on the tier of whatever it is we're talking about. Another benefit of doing this would be that it's a mechanic that is in the earlier stages of the game. I don't personally mind new things, being an old-timer myself, BUT imagine being brand new now. The number of changes in what you need to barter and different currencies throughout the game can be overwhelming. Most of Eriador, excluding Swanfleet/Cardolan and some of the stuff we got with that, if fairly straight forward. But then from Moria where you get these barter-currencies, it just keeps piling up from there. Then eventually you get motes. Then you get embers. Then you get Delving Writs. Gold/silver isn't really currencies anymore outside the auction houses, which is ok for a lot of things, but I believe there should be some more use for regular gold/silver with new content. As well as keep some of the same systems/currencies, don't add new ones, and THEN we can have area-specific barter items for certain decoration things etc. Haven't really tried the expansion yet myself, as I've finally gotten back into some other hobby stuff again and spend time doing that, 'cause I just know that lotro will soak all my time if I get back into it now :P so I'll wait until I'm futher along/done with the hobby stuff before I check it out :P But thanks for the informative video on the new crafting stuff! I'm also excited for that! My biggest hurdle with it now is that I'd hate to go through maxing out with a guild again now :P so none of my 2 most played high-level dudes will have ALL 3 gathering professions :( But several alts will, for sure! :D

[@lcZahark]

Hey friend, new player here. As a Rune Keeper, which crafting profession I should choose?

[@drinkingwalrus7644]

I switched to metalsmith thinking that I could start right from Umbar…..nope have to start all the way from the beginning haha. Didn’t they say that we could start straight from Umbar at one point?

[@Louey7]

That was part of their original plan, but was later cancelled (and announced that it was cancelled *before* the release of Umbar - forums.lotro.com/index.php?threads/crafting-update-now-and-into-corsairs-of-umbar.3914/)

[@Domaister420]

To be honest, you dont really need new armour before level 150, making 141 is really a waste, but when i see the amount of ore, wood and sholar items i gathered over the past couple days i dont really think that the requirements are too high. Its sounds high, but when i farm ores for 20 minutes i have enough stuff to craft myself ATLEAST one piece. And bc you can gather a lot while leveling, you bag is pretty full after a 'short' time actually. People are already crying after one or two days in world chat/reddit and such after the expansion released and i believe they just want something to flame about.

[@arinborn5066]

I was was hoping universal crafting components would be usable again at this level... what's the point of having these now?

[@Louey7]

That's a good point, I always forgot about those for higher crafting tiers!

[@thomasjones4570]

After watching this, I am glad I was driven out of the game with their terrible decision to try to tie crafting to events. These developers train-wrecked crafting.

[@rolfsinkgraven]

Still not done and still need too much resources too craft i hate it 30 leather to make a jacket pfft Less is better the AH is empty no armor too get

[@calder2293]

No code is impossible to change. They just don't have the resources to dedicate to essentially re-write crafting. It's like being sick but not being able to afford medicine...the outcome goes with out saying ☠

[@waldorf2007]

I had hope that AI would be used by the big games to do their evergreen content. Amazon would have had the money to get the resources against that issue. Too bad.

[@durinV]

Sounds like they shoot themselves in the foot with this revamp so far, i dread to imagine how much mats we require to cook food ( and semi useless thx to the stats squish since they went too far and the stats of food are too low now)

[@lunhil12]

All that work just to make crafting even less useful, I don't get it.

[@harrr53]

Pointless to craft a set of yellow armour when quest rewards cover all the armour pieces and they are a little better.

[@mirage8753]

yes. as always. unless you want to gear alts. but you can collect gear for alts from instances

[@mirage8753]

looks like their plans were too ambitious and rised ppl expectations. it never ends good

[@moondog548]

They should *really* hire a Community Manager **for LotRO.** 🙄

[@elobiretv]

I never understood why they wont just let us use every crafting profession on a single character. It's so dumb that I have to create alts that I'll only ever use for crafting. The whole system has sucked since launch

[@TheEruvadhor]

So don't buy expansion now, got it

[@ekashotersen]

Too late...

[@riffmagos]

They have no idea what they're doing. That's one of the many reasons why I now play other MMOs. RIP LOTRO.