The MADNESS of Formula E Cars

[@mnelinelson]

I still love the fact they used to jump out and switch cars as a pit stop

[@ProtoKun7]

It sounds like such a brag you'd hear them talking about over a drink. Formula 1, Le Mans and Formula E are in the pub. Formula 1: "During a race I change all four tyres in two to three seconds flat." Le Mans: "Oh yeah? During _my_ races I change my entire driver." Formula E: _"Guys you're not going to believe this"_

[@hazardeur]

unfortunately that doesn't sound very well, especially as a brag. it's LESS that's better in a pit stop, not more. having to change the car just means that it is not ready for what it's being put through....

[@Globalscanningeyes]

​​@@hazardeuroh don't worry the battery capacity was increased and they can go the whole race without needing to change cars

[@hazardeur]

@@Globalscanningeyes so you say they dnt have to change the battery at all during a full race?

[@Globalscanningeyes]

@@hazardeur I'm guessing you didn't watch the video

[@Bigglesworth_OWeezer]

95-97% efficiency is an insane number

[@sebm.4073]

I know it is a boring but the overall efficiency hardly depends on how the electricity gets produced which is always factored out in this comparison. However even after that FE remains roughly twice as efficient overall.

[@katarnjrm]

Not that insane given the technology, any other number would be odd. Your average road going transmission may be 99-98% eficcient, if you add another 99-98% for the electric part you get that 96%. Its the combustion part with its thermodynamics what limits you in other motorsports

[@gigadog2247]

That is insane

[@mawnkey]

Unfortunately the power being sent from where it's generated is subject to between 60-70% energy loss to heat over high tension wires, so the efficiency comparison to gasoline isn't as good as they're making out here. Thermodynamics charges a toll no matter what you do.

[@dragonepep7677]

@@mawnkey I don't know where you're getting 60-70% but that's way too high. If you're talking about transmission and distribution losses from power plants then it's at most like 17%, usually lower. If you're talking about resistive losses in the car then it's completely negligible.

[@Gizfreek]

It's a great time to be a motorsport fan, Formula E gets better and better, WEC has a really competitive field and F1 is still F1

[@omarmohammd5276]

wait till 2026 where f1 will become f2. Honestly f1 is going to fall off at some point with the fia trying to control it and becoming more greedy with money

[@Danger_Mouse3619]

No it ain't. Formula E is Formula FAIL.

[@fist003]

yeap F1, where it's more interesting off track than on track

[@lewis8552]

Just need Indycar to sort itself out

[@alieffauzanrizky7202]

@@Danger_Mouse3619 Funny that F1 failed to produce any sort of exiting race from the last decade. Really think which formula is the real formula FAIL

[@CrusaderSports250]

All the tech aside, it's the racing that counts, it's the racing that generates the excitement, F1 has become rather boring with the minimal overtaking, if EV racing has the cut and thrust then it's a winner, move away from this and no matter how clever the tech is you've lost.

[@cloudyview]

The size of the current F1 cars is the Achilles heel - there's just so few places that can allow for 2(+) wide racing - so it's difficult to pass. Monaco is just a parade these days...

[@kekememe788]

Gen 2 racing is still better imho

[@meanman6992]

IMO if you want the golden days of F1 to come back, they need to lift restrictions of tech from manufacturers.

[@mb77mb66]

F1 was always boring for me, too little crashes, Formula E was better at first. Maybe in the 90' F1 was more fun

[@gamechip06]

F1 only had 4 overtakes in Monaco this year. Not an exaggeration. What a snoozefest.

[@zalbert1098]

i know the capacity isnt the biggest but 10% in 30 seconds is still wild

[@EversonBernardes]

Imagine in the future they could add inductive charging to the cars and do recharging strips like F-Zero. Have a section of the straights out of the usual racing line as the recharging spot, so the drivers have to make a choice of recharging or taking the racing line.

[@techman8817]

@@EversonBernardesthat sounds awesome. I wonder if inductive charging is feasible at that power level or would run into engineering problems.

[@EversonBernardes]

@@techman8817 I don't think the tech we currently have is good enough to do any meaningful amount of recharging, but I I feel that would be a worthwhile pursuit because it would be largely applicable for EVs in the real world.

[@bakedbeings]

@@EversonBernardes Or throw some brushes underneath, and add some electrified strips on the straights, slot car style 😄

[@EversonBernardes]

@@bakedbeings make it spark as the cars go through it and I'm sold!

[@2nd3rd1st]

The real madness is that ABB stopped releasing full championship races on KZbin after gaining massive number of fans early on

[@diethersantos6404]

Agree since Monaco E Prix 2021 they deleted all of them 😭😭😭

[@TStizzle19]

Yep! It's been near impossible for me to casually follow the sport except for a select few races without specific apps or subscriptions

[@Dakkyun]

ABB is just a tech sponsor mate. Not the distributor

[@Jelios]

I was in Monaco last week end for formula E! INTENSE!! I like it.

[@Very_Grumpy_Cat]

it is difficult to overtake in Monaco in F1 but in FE there are masses of overtaking

[@_mevt.33]

Good day to be a jaguar fan

[@rolux4853]

Man I‘d love to go to Monaco someday day in my life! It’s just so darn expensive..

[@masterkamen371]

@@Very_Grumpy_Cat Certainly helps that the cars aren't about as large as a Leopard 2.

[@Jelios]

@@_mevt.33 yes Jaguar was the best during this race

[@richardmillhousenixon]

To add minor clarification to the C rate comments, C rate has to do with the charge current compared to the overall battery capacity. So a 1kWh battery which can charge at 1 kW would have a c-rate of 1, whereas lets say a battery with a 25kWh capacity which can charge at 100kW would have a c rate of 4, and a battery with a 50kWh capacity which can only charge at 10kW would have a c rate of 0.2

[@HansPeter-pm1gq]

Comparing capacity (Ah) with Current (A) considering the C Rates or Power (kW) with Energy (kWh) is exactly the same :)

[@Elbombisima]

So C-rate is useless by itself. To have any use you would need to have the battery capacity information, and this is just useful because it helps calculate charging power. With this I mean that the only relevant information in this case is charging power.

[@zibingotaeam3716]

​@@Elbombisimanot really, because the bottleneck for recharging is the battery. Its easy enough to build outside chargers that can supply several 10s of kW, you'll find them on all electric car superchargers. The main issue is how fast you can put this energy in to a battery without breaking it, so the C rate tells you exactly how long it takes to recharge without needing to know how much actual energy you need - which is all that matters for E racing in general.

[@richardmillhousenixon]

@@Elbombisima It's not useless at all by itself lol. It's a measure of the capacity in comparison to the maximum charge current. It gives you a rough idea of how long it will take to charge

[@bossmen6665]

I have studied electronic and computer science in University. That's all I can say

[@skive_1888]

People dont seem to realize how awesome these cars truly are. Gen 4 is going to have the equivalent of 800hp

[@spent808]

Mainly because they're so dull to watch.

[@skive_1888]

@@spent808 Straight up untrue. Way more exciting than F1.

[@manuelight]

we already have electric cars with 1200hp+ on the road

[@spent808]

@@skive_1888 I didn't compare it F1.

[@rolanddeschain965]

​@@spent808the thrill of watching people race their battery packs. With the incoming thrill of charging stops!!!

[@eduardhenny5725]

Saw Monaco Formula E with my daughter, fee entrance for kids and adult ticket from 30E, eat that F1

[@rockfan3299]

"from"..... so how much was it?

[@Zadlo14]

@@rockfan3299 30 euro. It is around 32$.

[@krystofblacha4619]

@@rockfan3299 better stands like A or K1 for 45 EUR, worse stands for 30 EUR, there were no inbetween

[@rockfan3299]

@@krystofblacha4619 the problem with F1 is they know people will pay their costs. Formula E sounds a bargain compared to it then :)

[@1964mcqueen]

The advancements in road-going EVs is very impressive - battery capacity, charging speed, longevity, regenerative braking... have all improved significantly in the past ten years. Formula E has seen even greater technical advancements, and given that a major goal is to develop technology for the consumer market, this bodes very well for the future of EVs. And for all those who think EVs are fire prone, just count the number of fires these high performance cars have had, racing under extreme conditions, with some major shunts. The answer is Zero. The only fire was in a shop where a battery module was being tested outside of the car.

[@ltmcolen]

Also nice to know, the higher voltage allows for thinner wires and thus are lighter while dissipation of heat is lower.

[@fallinginthed33p]

Same thing being done on road cars like Porsches with 800 V wiring.

[@SeanCMonahan]

Higher voltage does mean thicker electrical insulation on the wires, which can claw away a bit at the heat dissipation.

[@Ismalith]

@@SeanCMonahan Not that much, as long as you stay within 1500V for DC and 1000V AC, you don't need that much more insulation, only if you leave this low voltage area, that insulation needs to be stronger since the rules on insulation change.

[@martinterreni1616]

Don't forget that the numbers are by regulation, not potential. The batteries have more juice than allowed to use and the power trains have more power (much more) than allowed to use.

[@StjerneRoo]

Unfortunately it is really annoying to watch a race in the States. Requires access to 2 different streaming services if you want to watch the whole weekend. And usually race day is only available via a traditional TV channel.

[@renesonse5794]

All racing series are available for free with the Torque Lite add on with Kodi. I've been watching all sessions of F1/2/3/E, Indycar, Australian Supercars, MotoGP....everything imaginable....for years now.

[@carlcastle1745]

@@renesonse5794how cool!

[@jamesoshea580]

​@@renesonse5794 thats definitely illegal.

[@nooooooooooo6uoki67]

@@jamesoshea580 ok

[@inverlock]

@@jamesoshea580 it may be, but that’s kind of their own fault. piracy is a service issue

[@sjmzeldaavgnfan]

Fun fact. The energy contained in the battery is roughly the equivalent of 4 litres of fuel!

[@KarelKannel]

Yup, 1litre of gasoline is about 10kWh

[@grogery1570]

But if you compare the usable amount of energy you need 20 liters of fuel since 80% of the energy in petrol is just getting turned into heat.

[@gramathy999]

@@grogery1570 F1 gets much closer to the carnot ideal efficiency with the MGU-H and IIRC they get to about 40%

[@jesperhammarlund300]

@@gramathy999too bad the MGU-H is going bye bye in 2026 😂

[@xdtjv2843]

​@@jesperhammarlund300wth is happening over there?

[@zippyspeedmonkey]

One minor complaint is that the drivetrain is limited to single motor designs. This needs to be opened up at let experimentation happen like Nissan’s dual motor configuration from a few years ago.

[@tylerpubben4216]

Uh. In the video he very clearly shows that Gen 3 is moving to dual motor.

[@zippyspeedmonkey]

@@tylerpubben4216 , no the rear drivetrain is still limited to only a single motor, as I said, several years ago Nissan actually scared the entire field by introducing a dual motor, rear drivetrain. It was such a shock that the FIA quickly banned it the next year. This was innovation which was quickly stifled and shouldn’t have been.

[@NikoKyunKyun]

​@@zippyspeedmonkeyindividual motor design allows for some sort of active diff, this will pretty much makes the development more about the software, and this will just be a part of car setting for each track and weather condition, basically the same reason why active suspension is banned from F1, they're just too complicated for no reason and nobody wants to pack more job in the same amount of time available, kinda like modern video games devs relied too much on new hardware power that they just didn't make their game run decent on a 4 years old hardware

[@ajejebrazov2]

@@zippyspeedmonkey the second Nissan's motor was used only as generator, complaining to the rules at the time. They basically implemented gen 3 dual motor solution, but on the same drivetrain instead of splitting in rear and front. Thus, nothing fancy or so innovative

[@jesperhammarlund300]

i mean it's literally the same as if an F1 team would have had Two V6 engines side by side (assuming they could fit ofc) so yeah nothing really "innovative" in fact they were stalling innovation. cus instead of making a more efficient single motor they just went the "easy" approach and made dual motors to split the power between them. and in fact it was not all good cus the cars were very heavy. so the nissan cars were sliding at the back quite alot out of corners.

[@rosaria8384]

Monaco in Formula E is what old school F1 is, and is getting better...

[@tonystefanuk2149]

formula-E is really cool. I know a lot of people hate electric cars but stuff like these, the VW ID.R and Mcmurtry Spierling are spooky. I wonder if we'll ever see all-electric cars in the WEC

[@itsdokko2990]

maybe in around 5 years, once the battery manufacturing process yields more power dense and reliable cells i'd like for the teams to come up with some cool motor noise, cuz it's gonna be boring watching a ghost zooming in the mulsanne straight. but still, i'm eager to see that

[@bassmunk]

@@itsdokko2990 Nah, I don't want any noise that isn't inherent to the type of technology being used. That's what makes it unique. That's why we love the V10's in the 1st place.

[@roberts.wilson1848]

Is not people that hate electric cars, is internet trolls, that have no clue about reality. Mostly these will be underage, lacking any knowl;edge of the real world and just typing out their opinions from no knowledge. And there you have hate, opinions of ignorants.

[@HATECELL]

The inmotion Revolution, a fully electric car based on a Ginetta G58 was once rumoured to be the Garage 56 entry for the 2023 Le mans race. We ended up with the Nascar though, and I have no clue how inmotion is doing rn. Their car was expected to run laptimes comparable to LMP2, but an overall pace comparable to GTE due to the longer pit stops

[@LaggerSVK]

@@bassmunk exactly, those artificial stuff... Adding something on top because people are used to is one of the worst enemy of progress

[@y_fam_goeglyd]

I really enjoyed FE. Unfortunately they've put it behind a paywall (in my case, that's a paid-for sports channel) so they've lost me as a fan. I know I'm nowhere near the only one. Yet again greed wins the day. It's a real shame because it's a great sport!

[@JoshuaC923]

Agreed but i just watch the free stuff on their KZbin

[@AlexAlex-sp7nb]

Yeah it’s insanely expensive

[@whiteknob7944]

Will a VPN work? Maybe I should watch a video about it since I’m here…

[@_mevt.33]

@@JoshuaC923 have you guys not heard about lord latifi streams

[@_mevt.33]

@@whiteknob7944 just watch the race live on lord latifi streams

[@ElPandaWarrior]

IC units have not been around for a few hundred years. 164 to be exact. But I get the point, they've been around a long time!

[@Paganiproductions84]

So are electric motors

[@toolegittoquit_001]

'...Generating heat and noise as part of the tire goes up in smoke' That's a great line 😂

[@thesunnynationg]

if im not wrong, FE has a deal with the FIA to be the only full electric open wheel series until 2040. that is also a reason why F1 still have ICE.

[@Olivyay]

F1 still has ICE because it wouldn't be able to keep up its performance with electric only.

[@thesunnynationg]

@@Olivyay have you ever watched FE?

[@Olivyay]

@@thesunnynationg Yes I watch all the races. Please explain how you would get an FE car to race for 305 km in under 2 hours.

[@pian-0g445]

@@Olivyayone of the reasons they’re done on street tracks. Allows more conflict over less distance. Something else FE will have to solve is how to make it audibley interesting when it eventually ends up racing on f1 tracks.

[@asp1345]

Unpopular opinion...I like Formula E cars look more than F1. Because no exhaust their body shape is way more unique

[@DjFIL007]

Great overview of the amazing progression of Formula E. Been a fan and watcher since Day 1 and it only keeps getting better as the development opens up a little more for the teams, along with just the overall technology drive. Here's to driving the future.

[@wanderingbufoon]

I honestly loved the car swap. It presents both the engineers and pilots a new problem needing to be solved and it made it much more interesting.

[@jammaschan]

I mean yes and no. Looking back it seems fun and interesting, but back then everyone was just laughing at how the cars couldn't even complete an hour long race.

[@Drakelett]

Let's introduce a 4 hour endurance race! With two cars, requiring swapping and charging.

[@stephensharp975]

Imagine if you forgot the keys for the second car.....

[@SeanCMonahan]

​@@stephensharp975Dammit, Terry, I told you to leave the keys on the hanger when you run off to the bathroom! That Chipotle just cost us the podium.

[@BeckerFlag]

I wish they would race more on dedicated tracks like the race in Misiano. I just don't care for the super constricted one-off street tracks.

[@Zadlo14]

Four tracks this season. The fifth one is announced to be in calendar since 2026 or 2027.

[@ChoPi-Eww]

I can’t believe Formula E has been around a decade! These 3rd gen cars are really showing the potential, and surely the tech will trickle down. I wonder what the future will hold?

[@kamukameh]

I know, your video is just a summary and it's really great, but as an electrical-technician I want to specify terms at the part at 11:30: The "motors" on the breaks act as generators, because every electric motor is also a generator, if turned from an external source. So for example: The hydroelectric power station Axpo Kraftwerk Eglisau-Glattfelden in Germany has 7 generators producing 43,4 MW power, that's for car guys: 59000 horsepower!!! 😉 As a generator to be precise. Turned from an external source (a massive battery for example, or a nuclear power plant) it would act as a pretty powerful motor.

[@lewis8552]

Really great video that really highlights the tech that exists in FE and just shows how far its come. Also, really exciting to see where FE is heading. Gen 3 evo is a step in the right direction and Gen 4 is going to be even better.

[@guilhermefonseca1562]

I really like your videos pushing Formula E, I've started watching it in 2021 and it is such an interesting and fun racing series that just gets so much hate for pretty much no reason

[@Nehpets1701G]

Love the cars, the tracks not so much. But FE has grown up alot since the beginning, hopefully they'll incorporate a better balance of street and traditional circuits. I think Portimao and Mugello would suit the proposed Gen 4 cars with their higher performance and tactical recharging stops.

[@TheAutumnNetwork]

Been a day 1 guy for Formula E and I'm so happy they're finally figuring it out and seeing the progression in the tech is incredible.

[@ThePlayerOfGames]

Formula E is so damn good to watch especially in person, but the live watching rights are so lame

[@jesperhammarlund300]

yeah we need FETV asap. similar to F1TV app. that would help draw fans. cus there is still TV rights problems. people have said they would love to watch FE but they can't cus there is no tv channel. so they have to use a VPN which is costly. its much better todsy than 5-7 years ago when FE was very new. but they still need to improve it.

[@GordonSime]

It was so much more accessible on KZbin. They definitely lost viewers this year, me being one of them

[@ChrispyNut]

I certainly understand why it wasn't included in this video, but I would have liked a wee side-note about the inefficiencies of resource extraction and transportation for ICE as well, just to really hammer the point home for the "but goes vroom vroom" folks. I thoroughly support transitioning to electric racing (ideally also booting the drivers to the trackside and controlling the cars remotely from sim-rigs) because of the quiteness, as it's far more informative to hear the tyres during cornering phases, rather than engine scream ... along with the obvious environmental issues, however .... I don't like the gimmicks in Formula-E, including the use of street circuits crammed into places that just aren't really suitable for high performance racing. 🤞that the increase in performance will mean greater use of dedicated racing circuits and more appropriate street circuits.

[@igbatious]

39kWh is a lot less than I thought - a model 3 carries (probably) a near 70kWh battery but it also weighs 1200lbs.

[@daktus05]

but its also made from normal materials like alu and such, not almost exclusively carbon and titanium. also, the whole powertrain parts are stress members (like the v6 in f1) and that also lends itself to a lighter car

[@StephanBuchin]

The battery outputs 800V, the car is much lighter and they don't need a lot of range since the races are not longer than 120km though this could change as the average speed will probably be higher.

[@schlix101]

And this is still one major draw-back of electric Vehicles... The Electric storage is just soooo heavy. The further you want go, the larger and thus the heaver your battery pack needs to be... All adding up to making the vehicle less and less efficient for every stone of weight added. I think the philosophy of ultimately replacing ICE cars with E.V.s, is the wrong way of approaching this. Instead of aiming to replace ICE cars, the focus should rather be to AUGMENT people's existing ICE investments... I.e. E.V's should rather act as an extra car to be the City run-a-bout, instead of aiming to replace the Family SUV! If you think about it, it could make sense! Using a small E.V. as your daily for the school run and around town, thereby saving precious Kilometers on your Family SUV. The Family SUV would then only be used over Weekends and Family trips. E.V's. that don't require 200-300 miles of range and are fine with just 50-60 miles of range, will be much lighter, more efficient and a lot cheaper than these super heavy, luxury SUV's which hardly anyone can afford and are a pain to charge-up while on a road-trip. A small, light City E.V. can easily be charged up over night at home, cost's virtually nothing on maintenance AND saves gallons of fuel, as it causes your SUV to put on a lot less miles at the same time, therefore extending the periods of having to visit the service station. Obviously this does not make sense for everyone, but the average family, who likes to go on weekend trips and really benefits from owning an SUV for that purpose, could also benefit by not having that same heavy vehicle accumulate costly miles by also serving as the daily driver.

[@StephanBuchin]

@@schlix101 Some car brands here in France offer or rent at a very attractive price the use of an ICE car to go on vacation which could be a part of the solution.

[@lewis8552]

They used to have more. Gen 2 had a 50kwh battery from what I remember. They cut it down because the increased regen let them, so they could save some weight. They're increasing it again in gen 4 though

[@TheChrisLeone]

I've been trying to show some videos of how insane these cars are, but there honestly aren't many good videos

[@thabs2001]

I'm glad the tech developments are paying off. Only a matter of time before our road cars benefit from this.

[@alveolate]

at this point i merely need a primer into the drivers, constructors, racetracks, and maybe some context on recent trends, i am SO READY to start watching FE

[@MrNilOrange]

Brilliant. I think the tech development of E is much more relevant to road cars than F1 is. They should allow battery and motor development. See what they come up with.

[@frisk151]

This is one of my favorite F1 (etc) related channel.. I love how you break it down for both "n00bs" and hard core fans as well on so many things Formula related.. Wish I had you around sharing when it was in the 90's... Pretty sure this channel, and others that may be related, is a huge benefit for Formula 1 x E, (etc), especially here in the USA where most think racing is trash-CAR and Indy Car.. Very educational! Thank you!

[@mickolesmana5899]

Imagine being an engineer of an EV who put blood, sweat, and soul into their design only for someone who said "EV HAS NO SOUL" just because it ain't vibrating and makes noise.

[@mro9466]

No music = No soul Simple

[@normang3668]

I think if you're an engineer designing these cars, you probably know better than to listen to the opinion of the average KZbin commenter... They know that what they're creating is something special.

[@divingradish]

if people want soul, they should stick to horse.

[@cy-one]

​@@mro9466gotta show me that Aretha Franklin part in an F1 car.

[@Tommmmmmmmmmmm]

@@divingradish that's a good one

[@Ghost_PM11]

Amazing stuff, every motor is a generator.

[@johngalt97]

Higher voltage systems make it easier, perhaps, to deliver higher wattage, but wattage = power, not volts. [EDIT] 7:50 Again, its not the voltage that makes the torque, its the amperage! Making high amperage at low motor RPM's is the cutting edge in 'power electronics' inverters. For electric bicycles to make their allowed 750W (1HP) from a stop, that would be 1V*750A, but commercial 48V ebike inverters generally limit battery draw to 20A, which means they ramp up the wattage until about 21 MPH (37.5V*20A) before they are able to put out the full 750W, and at top speed of 25 MPH they're putting out about 48V*16A. You really need to brush up on these concepts.

[@GTAmaniac1]

well, it also depends on the KV of the electric motor, the lower the KV the more the low end power hinges on the voltage as opposed to current (well, it technically still is induced current because you need higher voltage to "push" through it, but that goes too far into electromagnetism). You could theoretically have the 750W from a stop by pumping 1A at 750V into it, but i'm currently too tired to do the calculations for that.

[@dan110024]

Those efficiency numbers are crazy! I'd never thought about that in terms of real-world application for EV's.

[@jamsbong]

The biggest area for improvement is the battery pack. The performance of EV (or Formula E race car) is limited by the battery pack tech. Running at high C-rate generates a lot of heat energy but high C-rate equals high power. So you can imagine if there is a cell that can generate less heat at 15C (for example), you can run at full power for a longer period. Getting the battery to do better is far more complex than aerodynamics. Ask me how I know..

[@szaszm_]

how do you know?

[@Iamwolf134]

Only two words for that; graphene nanofluids. They basically help to cool the battery by about 5-7 degrees Celsius cooler, enabling a considerably higher C rate; about 20C, or even 30C give or take. Such benefits aren't merely confined to the battery either, they can also be applied to the motors that power the Formula E car, along with the electronics that manage such power.

[@jamsbong]

@@szaszm_ Because I'm a thermal engineer working on battery packs.

[@jamsbong]

@@Iamwolf134 I believe they use immersive cooling system. Which is good for racing application as the pack longevity is not important.

[@SternLX]

I didn't hear it mentioned but C-Rate is also dependent on the input Amperage. The draw back of increasing the input Amperage for faster charge times is heat build up in the battery cells. Heat them too fast they'll combust. You can actively cool the cells to take a higher input Amperage but that is going to require Power for pumps moving cooling liquids. You'll hit a wall at some point where the power draw needed to cool matches the charge input... and that's what makes it so hard to get high C-Rates.

[@CrusaderSports250]

Have the tubes round the battery and pump in liquid nitrogen while fast charging, all done in the pits, with such low temperatures it could be charged at ridiculously fast rates, would this work?.

[@knarfxd4071]

This is why we need front regen brakes in F1 as well... They f-ed the engine regs when they didn't include it (and more focus on the electric part of the powertrain in general)

[@hardware64]

Added complexity and weight to get a little more energy back to a component that's not even the main part of the power delivery system?

[@lewis8552]

The teams apparently voted against it because they feared Audi would be better than them in this area.

[@keisuketakahasi4584]

@@lewis8552 no one ever lol

[@CallmeRoth]

F1's racing quality went out the door when they added anything beyond the KERS system. Cars are way too big and heavy which limits side-by-side opportunities and requires much larger and more durable tyres which tossed out much of the skill required and variability of race results. 2013 was the last year of non-hybrids and while it was a bit of a sweeper season all the V8 season prior were much higher quality in terms of racing, unpredictable results, on-track action etc. It's not a coincidence. Everyone blames over-complex aero but thats a side effect of car development we will see regardless of regs. NA, Turbo, V6, V10, Hybrid, non-hybrid etc. What makes F-E excellent doesn't translate to F1.

[@HATECELL]

I think they should switch to a layout similar to what LMP1H had, with the MGU-K doing both regen and deployment to the front wheels. That way ERS wouldn't be so traction locked, and instead of just a high-speed boost it could also be used at lower speeds

[@sirfer6969]

Amazing to see now that I haven't checked in with Formula E for a while. Outstanding progress

[@kqyto]

it would be cool if they introduce battery swaps, like old phones. So when the driver enters the pit he pushes a button to open a flap that then the crew would swap the battery and also change tires. I like seeing these coordinated stops with precision and speed

[@britishraccoon]

Formula E is genuinely underrated. The Rome race a couple years ago was one of the best races I’ve ever seen in any sport

[@Housestationlive]

@0:40 *320 km/h. you're welcome

[@jveiga68]

This is one of your all time best videos! Great explanation of how things works, which gave me a much better insight into this sport and a much better appreciation for the technological challenges and achievements these teams face. Thank you for taking the time to break it all down for us!

[@GoofyAIVideos-m9k]

What is the update on upside down project

[@adsy6819]

I don’t think it’s happening

[@keisuketakahasi4584]

completely forgot about it already lmao

[@zackr.7628]

Leaving this comment so I get notified if anyone knows anything

[@jerwatson79]

​@@zackr.7628 same here

[@fleghel]

@@zackr.7628same

[@marekmisztal2542]

I'm a big fan of F1 and i love loud old school cars with big engines but i have to admit that Formula E is super fun to watch. It's just good very close racing with lots of overtakes and that's mainly what i like about it. F1 is still a lot better imo but F1 races tend to be far more predictable while FE races are always crazy. It's like comparing football to basketball. Both are great but the other one is just more dynamic than the other.

[@nou7401]

gas cars suck

[@biggallcaps]

I'd love to see pit stops with charging if they could get at least 30% of the capacity in a minute or less

[@cooramoor100]

So based on my knowledge, 30 seconds for 10% charge, that will go to about 80% in 4 minutes and probably another 4 for the last 20% as the full charge takes low amp charge, so about 8 minutes to charge to full, not bad

[@matejlieskovsky9625]

I think they would hit a thermal limit way sooner than that. But it still is an impressive reminder of how far battery tech has advanced over the past few years. 12C charging will be insane when it comes to road cars.

[@cooramoor100]

@@matejlieskovsky9625 if its affordable to bring to the road, those chargers are expensive af and have a lot of tech making them work well, so they could be brought to the road and would be more like a “premium” charger and probably pretty expensive to try and recoup costs. But yeah I don’t know the specs lol, so you could very well be correct on the thermal limit

[@jachtk893]

The race is more like commercial business rather than serious motorsport, but when it comes to the car itself, it's truly a beast and not at all easy to drive, let alone master.

[@geirmyrvagnes8718]

Serious motorsport is very much a commercial business if you ask me(?)

[@BunkerBlog]

You think F1 isn't a massive commercial business?

[@Pepe-dq2ib]

Best thing about FE is overtaking by driving on top of each other.

[@DonRaynor]

FE and WEC are for me taken over F1 completely

[@lukew6725]

I personally couldn't care less about WEC since I despise things like BOP which punish you for smart engineering.

[@rcgridcom]

We happened to be at the 2016 Formula E Long Beach ePrix and boy were the cars slow. Now, with Gen 3 cars, they are screaming MORE THAN TWICE the speed. ❤‍🔥

[@rockfan3299]

"how combustion engines work, it's a technology that's been pretty much unchanged for a few hundred years".... interesting statement!

[@jamesr1894]

first one in 1798 or 1806, and even though it ran on a gaseous fuel, it still had a shaft with a reciprocating piston that was vented with an exhaust and intake valve. Since a 'few' can mean two or more, his statement checks out.

[@rockfan3299]

@@jamesr1894 a few usually means more than two! "a couple of years" then "a few years" so a poor choice of words.

[@recab2]

Absolutely love these breakdowns. FE is such a great series!

[@brandonleisure9999]

"fomula-E sucks" So you people would rather watch a single file line of V6s than watch a much better quality race just bcause they dont make vroomvroom noises? 🤦

[@gennaro13]

Yes

[@BigRed-MWA]

Boring EVs...⚡🔋🤢🤮🤮🤮🥱😴😴😴😴

[@Paganiproductions84]

F1 is boring so is Formule E battery fire

[@darrens3]

@@Paganiproductions84 fire nonsense been disproven for decades now.Talking about fires in electric cars when internal combustion engines catch fire at a much higher rate proves you know nothing about ICE or EVs.

[@rexpayne7836]

Great content and presentation. 🇦🇺 😊

[@DawidSikora]

For me FE was a no go due to gimmicks like fan boost

[@jesperhammarlund300]

good thing that is gone now

[@madchem184]

What is it?

[@SCPlntrCll096]

It's gone a long time ago, I think. Roughly about the same time as the introduction of Gen 3 or at the end of the Gen 2 era

[@TeeEnjoyer]

Just been to the Formular e in Berlin. Insanely fun to watch

[@genesis6646]

1:35 combustion engines being unchanged for "a few hundred years"? Are you counting steam power there? Because the history of diesel or gasoline powered engines definitely isn't "a few" hundred years old!

[@MrRirate]

me who thought that the Roman Empire had developed thanks to Ferrari

[@zemtek420]

I never really thought about going to see a forumula 1 cars but I really would love to see a Formula E race. I think they are just cool sounding.

[@DB-cg1rr]

The difference is F1 speeds are purposely reduced through regulations and power unit choices. Formula E is not.

[@stanislawzelazny7515]

Aerodynamics by Dorito 🎉

[@h-manreviews4474]

The Formula E is a great system, just don't want F1 transitioning into only formula E considering the sustainability targets yk. B/C those engines sounds soo soo good

[@stephendasilvamadeira2749]

Awesome vid! Congrats. Just a lil tech info: for electrical vehicles, it is not fully right to call the component Electrical Motor, but Electrical Machine instead. That's because the component is an Electrical machine which can act as motor, generator or retarder. So, electrical motor is just one function that these gorgeous machines can perform.

[@alexproctor524]

Formula E gonna be faster than F1 with the 2026 regulations

[@StephanBuchin]

8:10 That was an amazing centimeter precision overtake and corner.

[@keisuketakahasi4584]

if only the sound wouldnt be so bad

[@theairstig9164]

What sound should these make. One giant fart? Make a crackling noise on throttle lift off?

[@keisuketakahasi4584]

@@theairstig9164 rather nothing then

[@Scoundr3ll]

Aside from cost savings allowing drivers to be much more daring in their races thus showcasing drivers' skill more, the absolute best part about formula e is that as they get better, commercial electric cars will be improved at a MUCH quicker rate just like with F1 and commercial ICE vehicles.

[@DavyGy]

the only downside is the lack of sound

[@Sajuuk9]

And the boring small street tracks, and the lack of sound, lack of grip with those eco tired.. ect.

[@lostcarpark]

I think the current cars sound like a cross between a jet engine and a tube train, which I rather like. But if they could figure out a way to make them sound like a V10, they'd attract a lot of fans!

[@phillipzx3754]

10% in 30 seconds is impressive. I'm old enough to remember the slot car tracks we had back in the 60s and thinking, "Wow, this would be so much fun if they were large enough to hold a driver." 60 years later... It's about F'ing time! 😁

[@kornonacob]

We need formula D ... formula diesel😂

[@daktus05]

audi R18

[@hildalaw7627]

Fax

[@winnythekahuna8073]

The driver skill and race strategy for formula E will also be evolving with the new tech developments. The braking and regen aspect of slowing down for corners is quite interesting, as braking skill specific for formula E will be something that will be specific to each car's regen rate.

[@Klaevin]

how to make formula e seem better than formula 1 : step 1 : make formula 1 less powerful step 2 : make formula e more powerful

[@mk_annan22]

Very educational insight about Formula E's evolution.

[@d3v16]

Hello

[@coloradod3649]

We are going to Portland Oregon at the end of June for the second year in a row for the Formula E Race, last year was a blast, super excited to be going back. Also, we live in Colorado and are flying out just for the race weekend.🙂

[@YifanRacing]

Elon Musk need to take notes

[@ChrisBigBad]

Thanks for showing the world my favorite sports. I really enjoyed the Berlin races (yes plural) last weekend. See if you can find a re-live for where you live! :D

[@rolanddeschain965]

Probably in the minority but I have no interest in watching people race their batteries around.

[@TedMan55]

no, that’s normal, it’s just that electric propaganda makes it seem like it’s otherwise

[@dubcheck2943]

recently watched the highlights of the monaco race, the sound does get old after a couple of laps. Racing has improved though.

[@xenoyparxi]

0:47 isn't it AWD only for quali and "push 2 pass" type of thing? I believe in the race they're mostly running RWD still with less power (300kw as opposed to 350kw)

[@kornonacob]

F1 will soon be 50% electric... after that it would be 100% electric....thus f1 stands for formula shit

[@Sajuuk9]

F1 will never leave ICE cars, they will race on synthetic fuels in the future to come.

[@peixeserra9116]

Formula 1 has already said they don't plan on ditching ICEs anytime soon. Plus, FE is the premiere and holder of commercial rights of Electric single seater race car series. So no point in F1 turning electric. Specially when FE already has a ton of manufacturers working on it.

[@SCPlntrCll096]

I'd rather have them as separate categories, so I can watch more racing and more motorsports

[@Bongalicius]

I watched the race in Monaco last week and it was completely different to my expectations. Never thought there could be such exciting racing on this track. F1 could learn more about FE

[@JonesyTerp1]

For F1 to be like FE it needs to.. Take almost all the downforce away. Race on tires which provide little to no grip when cornering at very high speeds or under heavy braking. (FE tires are essentially a slight upgrade from the most expensive tires on the retail market.) Race exclusively on short street courses where almost every corner is 90 degree, hairpins and chicanes. (Monaco is the longest FE course, while being the shortest track in F1) But that isn’t F1. F1 is about performing at the limit of what cars can do. And it requires high downforce, big sticky grippy tires on tracks like Suzuka, Silverstone, Spa, CotA . Places with a wide variety of corners, long and short straights and all kinds of braking zones. I am not an FE hater but the close racing is a being manufactured by artificially limiting car performance. If FE ran at on F1s slate of tracks the racing would look very different. To be honest, it would be virtually unwatchable.

[@brelaxed13]

the sound of these cars makes it intolerable to watch. it goes through me like a hot knife in butter. this doesn't bother anyone else?

[@tomwallach]

the sound on tv does not do them justice. they sound straight like a fighter jet when they pass you at 300kph

[@johnphillips3475]

I'm the total opposite, I love the sound of FE cars, both on TV and in person. In fact, being an FE fan has led to me disliking he sound of ICE powered racing cars

[@peixeserra9116]

Tbh yeah it does to me. That's pretty much the only real downside of FE to me. Shame it's a big one because the races themselves look like what you get when you put really good drivers on oversized, incredibly powerful Go Karts And that stuff looks insanely fun. I'd love to drive an FE. Well, any open cockpit single seater as a whole, but FEs seem more feasible than even an old F1

[@lostcarpark]

I think they sound like a cross between a jet fighter and a tube train, and I like them. I'm not going to lie, though, if they could find a way to make them sound like V10s, they'd be on to a winner!

[@brelaxed13]

@@lostcarpark all I hear is high pitched whining. Probably sounds much better on person

[@PedroFTeixeira]

Problems are: - stupid sound - no gear changes - (mostly) ridiculous circuits

[@avushpavush]

I love the new background is cool (idk if it green screen but is good)

[@Rinshun_]

Efficiency needs more context. Sure, 95% of the energy from the battery will be converted into movement. But to charge up the battery you will need a generator that can be 30% efficient, if you use fossil fuels to power it. This means a significant portion of the initial energy source is lost before it even reaches the battery. You can use solar and wind to charge these batteries, but these sources still have their unsolved problems.

[@Alucard-gt1zf]

You realise your efficiency argument is also the same for petrol right? All the effort to get crude oil out of the ground and then turn in into petrol isn't efficient either

[@Gereon910]

Are you seriously arguing against electric vehicles by saying that combustion engines are inefficient?

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

Also KW to HP begs the question "How/to what?" as Batteries in a land vehicle don't generate trust kinda like saying LPH to MS... It's really a nonsensically statement.

[@Itrolller]

Even with your, admittedly pessimistic, numbers EVs would have an efficiency of around 28%, and much higher than that when using wind or solar. Compare that to the efficiency of an average petrol engine with about 20%, even without accounting for the production of the petrol, etc.

[@Rinshun_]

@@Alucard-gt1zf You still need to get the petrol to charge the batteries.

[@762rk95tp]

Few hundred years might be bit of a stretch for internal combustion engines. Those have been practical power plants for vehicles for 140 years, for industrial applications probably couple decades more. We might get to 200 years as impractical experiments that might turn into something useful in future, as those eventually did.

[@Sajuuk9]

seems like formula e is ramping up the propaganda, they paid a lot of youtubers to talk about formula boring.

[@rakesh.a.c]

True, a spec series and cookie cutter tracks makes for a very boring watch. It would be 10 times more exciting if they raced on traditional circuits. But they can't because of the battery capacity.

[@nightavenger375]

@@rakesh.a.cyou haven’t watched races have you

[@rakesh.a.c]

​@@nightavenger375I watched like 20 races live since 2021 and follow the series through highlights. I genuinely tried to give it a shot but track layouts are a deal breaker for me.

[@codydabest]

Formula E is the most insane software enabled hardware hackathon

[@andrewbroadfort6856]

Electric racing in general, and Formula E in particular, is garbage racing. So bereft of emotion one might as well be dead.

[@skive_1888]

Hundreds of overtakes at Monaco vs 1 in F1.

[@Bbenkosky]

Ludite much?

[@andrewbroadfort6856]

@@Bbenkosky You seriously think Formula E is good racing?

[@andrewbroadfort6856]

@@skive_1888 Apply the same kind of racing rules to F1 and you will have the same comical racing.

[@santi3991]

I would love this things being capable of going faster on corners, I know more downforce or mechanical grip would hurt the autonomy of the batteries, with how close the racing is, that would put this series on a next level.