THE MAGNUS ARCHIVES #80 - The LIbrarian

MAG080 - Case #0170216-B - Jurgen Leitner
Statement regarding the formation of a library of esoteric books.
The Magnus Archives tells the tale of a dilettante who sought out books of supposed mystical power and the events that caused them to go into hiding.
Starring: The Archivist - Jonathan Sims; Jurgen Leitner - Paul Sims; Elias Bouchard - Ben Meredith; Martin Blackwood - Alexander J Newall; Tim Stoker - Mike LeBeau
Writer: Jonathan Sims
Director: Alexander J Newall
Editors: Alexander J Newall, Mike LeBeau
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[@io_online]

Come on lads, just because the dead body is in your shady stalker boss's office it doesn't *necessarily* mean he killed the guy, cut him some slack

[@zanaq3]

I think it says something about jon that they think he would murder a guy and leave him in his office

[@sealbf55]

day 23 in the chamber they ain't found me yet but when they do they gon surprised

[@AckermanYuki]

OH MY FUCKING GOF AHAHAHAHAH

[@onethiccboi7699]

LMAOAHABS

[@hermazingbartels2377]

The best thing about this fandom is the jokes that the fans make at the expense of the characters suffering and I LOVE IT

[@frogman9753]

I GOT A HEADACHE LAUGHING AT THIS AJDJWKFBS

[@headofathousandsheepswool]

Dude the comments are so much funnier than the podcast

[@EVind-xz8km]

I can't help it, the way Leitner says "I was almost beaten to death by an angry goth" is just the funniest thing to me.

[@RustyQuill]

We've all been there.

[@RustyQuill]

I mean... we've all been there... right?

[@calamity2383]

@@RustyQuill I certainly have

[@ahorribleterribleperson]

@@RustyQuill It was the other way around for me.

[@KateCantDraw]

@@RustyQuill I've been on both ends

[@swiftfeathers7028]

MURDERING YOUR ACQUAINTANCES ASMR

[@maddyc2025]

OH MY GOD-

[@dendakrmelova1201]

n o

[@paulabarnas9859]

Y E S

[@davidnorth6670]

Lmao

[@paulcastle2019]

Thanks for this comment.

[@freesiamoonbeam734]

Fucking hilarious that all the Entities teamed up to beat up a book collector

[@konkeydongblaster]

That’s what I am saying, they pulled up like they were doing a collaborated gang jumping XD

[@D4wn0fAppl35]

They put aside their differences and decided to bully the old guy. Respect

[@cutiepie120048]

...I don't like the implications of every assistant Gertrude had dying horrible deaths...

[@krlosz1996]

I mean Sasha got fucking eaten by a changeling so that's one down lol

[@pianos4095]

Me fucking neither

[@Lightning-ik3so]

AND THERE WERE ALSO 3

[@Iquey]

Ya finds out more later...

[@aliyinn3186]

oh no

[@alexdillahunt6908]

Beginning of the episode: Oh no, Jurgen Leitner! Middle of the episode: He's actually not so bad. End of the episode: Oh no, Jurgen Leitner!

[@simp879]

Oh No Jurgen Leitner

[@ayonixanimations]

OH NO NOW I KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS

[@midnights2631]

I'm confused and concerned

[@hamburgerdog25]

I found him pretty pathetic going through his life story. The guy was an idiot that heralded dangerous things just for keep sake and now half of England is in turmoil because of it, let alone largely other parts of the world already. I mean at least he thought he was making things right but really all he did was run and hide. He didn't track down the books to get them back into the right place or at least a better one, didn't even try to disengage any of them (like how some can be burned), he probably could have spread around manuals just as easily as the books themselves but thats not something that was considered. I'm not saying he deserved to die, getting a beatdown by Gerard was probably enough considering the books weren't actually his making. But he made them his responsibility. And then he abandoned that responsibility and left everyone else to clean it up and die for it. Kind of reminds me of Gravity Falls, yet again. A hubris ridden man, selfish, self absorbed, so caught in his fascination he doesn't even realize that he can't escape it. And when he's gone, everyone else is going in blind and defenseless all because that stupid, selfish man could do nothing but play with extremities that he never should have endeavored in the first place. Damn it, if I don't love this podcast.

[@fevre_dream8542]

@@hamburgerdog25 I don't like Leitner at all. Pompous, arrogant ass. But the thing I dislike most is that he _actually_ sacrificed his assistants to the books to see what they did.

[@augustusbrown2914]

“that’ll be Our Gerard” JON, DON’T ADOPT THE GOTH, JON

[@TheNitpickChick]

YES _DO_ ADOPT THE GOTH, JON! 😁

[@unslept_em]

"that'll be our gerard" and only several minutes later would he find out that it really **was** Their gerard. the eye

[@ЭмельГ-ва]

Also im sorry when did he die exactly, cause i think i missed it

[@FH-rp6zs]

@@ЭмельГ-ва Brain tumor.

[@Catglittercrafts]

@@ЭмельГ-ва 2014

[@Kassabonn]

Me: "who is this odd old man?" Jon: "statement of Jurgen Leitner" Me: "EXCUSE ME?!"

[@chips3536]

SAME! I THOUGHT HE WAS DEAD!

[@jadina_rtw4198]

SAME I AUDIBLY GASPED

[@gboyv]

I think that was the point ​@@chips3536

[@ericpark4707]

MY JAW DROPPED

[@liaml.e.5964]

Leitner: The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated

[@swiftfeathers7028]

God I had the most horrible dread that Elias was going to kill him and then he did. Being a silent observer in that moment was awful. Hearing the tone in Elias' voice and KNOWING something horrible was coming, and then hearing him beat the poor man to death. Jesus Christ.

[@megalunalexi5601]

yeah the beating to death... took me by surprise. I thought he had a weapon, at least... Fuck, man.

[@nanahuatli2144]

@@megalunalexi5601 I think he had but he still chose to bludgeon him? It was horrible.

[@megalunalexi5601]

@@nanahuatli2144 I think he used the pipe Jon had from before. I just assumed he'd have a gun or something, seems much more his style

[@nanahuatli2144]

@@megalunalexi5601 The transcript mentions a click, and Elias threatened to kill Leitner if he reached for a book (which he couldn't do faster enough with the pipe), so I think he had a gun, but instead went for the bashing. It was probably one more thing that'll fuck with poor Jon. :(

[@megalunalexi5601]

@@nanahuatli2144 Ahh, fair. I didn't know about the transcript back when I was listening, I guess I didn't hear the click

[@skul8944]

Elias and Jon have extremely similar voices and I was very confused

[@conandenz8413]

Same i was so confused. Elias' is slightly... Higher? He sounds less strained than Jon.

[@JesseColton]

And ironically Jurgen Leitner is voiced by Jon's irl dad and Gertrude by his mom

[@klltsun_2576]

Same lol

[@Zooasaurus]

@@conandenz8413 Tell what

[@Zooasaurus]

@@conandenz8413 Does it have to do with skins?

[@sevendeadlysins5303]

I love the fact that Juergen and Gertrude are voiced by John’s parents

[@vaxshin]

What!?

[@kuwgel7896]

What!?

[@sevendeadlysins5303]

Alex and Johnny confirmed it

[@cassiemoyles4177]

THATS ADORABLE WHAT

[@zinganeatsr4011]

THIS

[@aw3707]

"we dont have time for you to have a breakdown, archivist"

[@ashofruins761]

There is always time to have a breakdown, librarian

[@headofathousandsheepswool]

Memento mori

[@omgfiredragon]

It took Jon 2 and a half minutes to have his breakdown, The lybrerian is dumb

[@PedroKing19]

​@omgfiredragon Well, 2 and a half minutes is a lot of time when you're hiding from the supernatural

[@undergnomes6248]

I mean he was right they didn't and now look what happened

[@TheRealEvilkitten3]

so i say "can i quit my job now?" and my boss says "NO. in fact, i'm gonna frame you for MURDER" "why are you doing this?" "because we're the magnus institute and ~life is a fucking nightmare~"

[@virginiaf4117]

The Delta institute. You'll never escape. Also high quality reference right there

[@TheRealEvilkitten3]

@@virginiaf4117 honest to g-d i'd rather work for the eye than any airline company. i don't care what's trying to kill me it's better than customer service

[@virginiaf4117]

@@TheRealEvilkitten3 fair enough. It probably drains your immortal essence but at least not your will to live

[@TheRealEvilkitten3]

@@virginiaf4117 better a pawn to a sexy spider lady than a cog in the great machine that is society lol

[@ChlorineToast]

BO BURNHAM REFERENCE

[@cleliea8770]

"Three of them, each meeting an unpleasant end." well then

[@Companion92]

I hope this is not foreshadowing

[@nanahuatli2144]

@@Companion92 I'm 100% sure it is. xD

[@amphitritemists4595]

@@nanahuatli2144 No no no no no Martin has plot armor

[@nanahuatli2144]

@@amphitritemists4595 Hmmm... Even if he does, I strongly believe Jon isn't going to survive beyond the end of the series, so Martin can look forward to that. XD

[@amphitritemists4595]

@@nanahuatli2144 I decided that if they have to die I want everyone to die together. This is the first time I'm listening to the podcast so I haven't reached season 5 yet and I have no clue what happens but if everyone else dies, especially Martin the cinnamon roll, I don't want Jon living with survivor's guilt knowing that all his assistants died because he failed to protect them that would be too painful :(

[@dendakrmelova1201]

jon at the end of season one: trauma jon at the end of season two: more trauma please stop giving jon more trauma he has plenty of that already

[@mimkyodar]

Everything will be fine. He'll get a cosy cabin in the country by the time this is all done, i'm sure.

[@markyjanu10]

@@mimkyodar why do you have to do this to me after mag160 xD

[@mimkyodar]

@@markyjanu10 ;)

[@jaderush4141]

Yes, I'd like to sign the petition of less trauma for Jon, please. I brought 2 028 pens and I intend to use every one of them until they are dryer than the desert of Elias' dead unfeeling heart.

[@frogman9753]

It Only Gets Worse From Here !

[@takeoats]

Jurgen Lietner - Statement regarding his life as a material girl in a material world.

[@cactusc9519]

xD LOL ( nice one )

[@proinsiascassidy2888]

I have the most dreadful feeling about what might happen Tim and Martin, considering all the foreshadowing, and Jon slowly falling into despair. I love every single one of them so much by now, it'd absolutely break my heart if any harm befell them... On the bright side, here's to Gerard being the feral goth we've come to know and love.

[@noomre9105]

If they kill off Martin I'll commit some crimes. (Not listed to avoid lawsuits or jail time)

[@LemonRaptor000]

We love ourselves a feral goth boy

[@Inkwellington]

Spoilers for the series ​@@noomre9105 what crimes did you commit?

[@launch_queen]

elias commits murder on tape

[@hermajestythewhat2533]

It's his favorite pastime

[@XJiang-un8cd]

“It would explain Michael’s identity issues” I laughed so hard, glad to see that your sass is still alive and well, Jon

[@ateawithfreak8681]

scp foundation: we keep things. we keep them. it's very, very expensive and dangerous- lonely man with passion: hold my chthonic books

[@f_mva]

someone please get an MTF in these archives

[@draochvar9646]

Yea, that's the difference isn't it. The SCP Foundation actually is an equal player in the supernatural occurences around them. They have the power to face the supernatural and more often than not they can lock it away. The characters in this? They're WAY out of their depth.

[@dull_demon4717]

@@draochvar9646 One has the power to lock them away or in the case of a certain lizard, allows them to lock it away. The other notices things they miss and fail to mark as supernatural.

[@Companion92]

that dripping sound... Poor Jon is getting a breakdown

[@bonniecornelius3836]

"we have no time for you to have a breakdown, archivist."

[@louise7487]

tma scripts: [extended sounds of brutal pipe murder] me: asmr

[@americantoastman7296]

Bruh

[@KenKen3593]

[& clapping ass cheeks]

[@itsiz9738]

Jurgen "My special talent is acquiring material goods" Leitner

[@ashofruins761]

Imagine if he decided to collect, like, cards or something. He'd have 3 white lotuses from MTG within weeks

[@clarasnow6579]

I love how Tim's reaction to a bloody corpse is "I told you so!"

[@paigefuentes1055]

Omg the fact that Jurgen Leitner is Jonathan's dad in real life 👀

[@nzekwueairel1278]

And Gertrude Robinson is his mother... crazy world

[@reachingzenith7772]

@@nzekwueairel1278 it honestly sounds like Jonny Sims comes from a lineage of terrific voice actors

[@cawareyoudoin7379]

I don't know what it is about the hearing medium, but... It's much, much more impactful to listen to someone being killed than watching it, or reading about it. Movies show more, but they rarely give the illusion of being real. I am in actual. emotional. distress. after the last two or something episodes. I need a fucking moment.

[@Fab4Sunrises]

i guess it's kinda like the shower scene in Psycho. What gets you is the sound of knife meeting body. Leaves you to imagine what makes it.

[@cawareyoudoin7379]

@@Fab4Sunrises What I learned watching the modern Doctor Who, contrasted with the old one, is that if you really want to scare your audience (and not have crappy CGI), you have to not show too much. People's imaginations can do better than anything you could- you just have to hint at it. But while you're right, I watched "Psycho", and many other good horror movies, and as I said- nothing has yet filled me with such terror. Of course there were some good scares, but in a movie it's just less impactful, maybe because I'm desensitized to it. Hearing it makes it different.

[@cawareyoudoin7379]

@@calhanlon5568 Thankfully, I don't live in USA, so not every 1 in 133, but 1 in about 1428 people get murdered. So, also thankfully, I have never seen anyone die. But I'm certain you're right about that. A person is alive, and then the next moment, they aren't. Bizzare.

[@tearez13]

@@cawareyoudoin7379 Like in the midnight episode, the only cgi was used to set the scene, the rest of it was just banger acting. And the first appearance of the weeping angels too, Good acting and some simple practical effects.

[@cawareyoudoin7379]

@@tearez13 Practical effects absolutely for the win!

[@dracorei5143]

I almost cried. This is not how I thought season two would end.

[@nanahuatli2144]

The end of the first season was scary but ultimately there were a lot of badass shenanigans and adventure and shit. This is... just depressing.

[@Falcon-doing-doodles]

The contrast between JL's attitude towards his assistants and Jon's is so interesting. Jon may not like all his assistants, but he went out of his way to protect them from the potential fallout and doesn't want them to get hurt. Leitner sacrifices his assistants to figure out what's in evil books

[@Falcon-doing-doodles]

Also I think it's funny how much Leitner sucks at explaining things to Jon. Other characters managed to do it far better than he did

[@hermajestythewhat2533]

I saw a comment on a later episode a while back saying it's like how much humanity/humane actions & thoughts the Archivist maintains. I have to agree tbh

[@klbzplb]

yeah fr. despite everything, jon puts a lot more effort into protecting & making sure his assistants are alive than basically anyone else in a similar position of power.

[@melissaharris3389]

Jon is a very _humane_ person. He values other people's lives intrinsically and doesn't put others lives above his own. Most other characters show themselves to be selfish in that they value their own happiness or safety over others (usually Jon's) wellbeing. I think the series has a lot to say about the convenience of compassion.

[@EduardoVazquez-hh5tz]

“I think I NEED some air, I am GOING to have a cigarette” ... Hmmm that does sound like you were rather compelled to get out of the room huh? Little strings pulling you away so that Elias can swoop in huh? A little Web influencing huh?

[@voidjockey82]

Well, he did use the lighter for it after all...

[@dynamicloss1492]

remember kids, smoking kills

[@alabaster_rox]

haha oh shit thats a really good point actually

[@NerveUnderscore]

Oh...

[@omgfiredragon]

Oh my God I didn't even consider that- also isn't addiction a main aspect of the web

[@dionysusxian]

"i was almost beaten to death by an angry goth" is something i never thought i would hear but i appreciate it and will quote that until the day i die, or possibly get beaten to death by an angry goth

[@mothmaam5411]

I can't stop thinking of that guy that really hates Jurgen Leitner on Tumblr

[@agnieszkasalach4395]

...might I inquire for details?

[@cractor6307]

@@agnieszkasalach4395 kzbin.info/www/bejne/jqKzfGaelseYg80

[@agnieszkasalach4395]

@@cractor6307 This is wonderful, thank you for enlightening me, kind stranger

[@ash.g1310]

@@cractor6307 Holy shit that was amazing

[@tearez13]

@@cractor6307 YES!!! I have had that stuck in my head for days!

[@MrKdv42]

As a Norwegian being educated as a librarian and who is currently working in an archive..! This whole podcast is making my heart, mind and sould feel so fulfilled!

[@bandidocavalier]

If you can make sure to not go into any institutes right

[@cylyte2436]

Tell us if you come upon fabulous wealth and decide keeping mysterious, occult books is your new passion

[@ot7biasedmashups]

"Of course she did! She had three assistants that met an unpleasant ending" Me: **looks at Tim and Martin in the Michael dimension and not Sasha** Me: Aight we going three for three soon

[@jadynnkotch1833]

"I'm afraid she's gone." WOAHHHH BROTHER HOLD ON NOW. I NEED YOU TO TAKE THOSE BAD VIBES AwAy fRoM hErE--

[@rosemarycat5]

Lietners are the real reason librarians in Night Vale are so monstrous Also, love that Tmi and Martin ran into Helen Richardson. I hadn't noticed that before.

[@wawa2001]

Wait she's alive?!

[@NerveUnderscore]

Wait what??

[@Har1cott]

@@wawa2001late response, but it’s implied they saw her in the corridors as they were trying to get out, but couldn’t or didn’t help her. In the statement when Michael stabs Jon, Michael didn’t want Helen to leave and when she was leaving after giving her statement on escaping the door hallway, she opened a door that wasn’t there and was put back into it! I love all the little details they put into this podcast

[@GoliathPyroson]

Oh no they assume John did it!!???!?!

[@emmathestonedspider8676]

Well he was paranoid

[@sumitrana2420]

dont worry the tape still is there.

[@neos8421]

So, we all feel the foreshadowing, the gruesome ends, for either the assistants, or the archivist, and i do feel awful about it, but, just as they feel awful about their chances of living, and just as them, I CANNOT QUIT , i want to, i hate these kinds of things, i wanna skip ahead, listen to the end already and be done with it, but i cannot, and i guess i'm just stuck here, listening to it until the end, i think i'll call us The Witness, and i think i will not forget

[@Companion92]

When you can't quit, then the archive got you too

[@ash.g1310]

We're fucked, it got to us. _We have been marked_

[@Misty_Grey744]

@@ash.g1310OH FUCK

[@bug-box]

Listening through my second time now, hearing the way Martin speaks at the end crushes me even more. "Oh Jon, what have you done?"

[@elliotsmelliot]

on my third listen through. it does not get better

[@hermajestythewhat2533]

On my, like 8th relisten. It only gets worse each time. Look forward to it!

[@wren5926]

Has anyone mentioned the tiny, resigned “oh” from Leitner after John called them a fool bc I just about lost it

[@KenKen3593]

More of a “hm.”

[@apollyoniguess]

I never trusted elias but not because I knew something was up, simply because he gave me Gabriel from good omens vibes

[@icewave3031]

Yeah same

[@jaderush4141]

I thought we were talking Gabriel from Supernatural at first. He was a great dude, but, same shit: couldn't be trusted. At all.

[@TomEllisLovesU]

OH MY GOD THEY SOUND SO MUCH ALIKE

[@reznikoff97]

JSHSHSBB YEAH

[@CapitanaGabs]

Big same

[@grinstrashcan]

**chuckles** _- That'll be our Gerard._ Aw, Jon! I don't know why, but I find this moment to be incredible cute :3 P.S. Oh. Oh no. The sounds... I'm- *OH NO.*

[@fluffsnake]

wait, Gerard was part of the Institute? I didn't catch that part

[@grinstrashcan]

@@fluffsnake eh, no. Jurgen was telling about a young man with black hair that almost killed him once and Jon recognised Gerard.

[@fluffsnake]

@@grinstrashcan yes, now I know ^^ the way Jon put it though, sounded almost like Gerry was part of the little Institute family xD heh

[@aubarlowe]

@@fluffsnake SPOILERS i mean... technically, he WAS in a lot of ways. Keay's son of a man who worked in the institute and (basically) adopted by Gertrude.

[@beetlbrite]

This makes me think of the Leitner book with the giant where everyone tries to stop it, but realize as it gets closer, they can’t do anything to stop it.

[@b-blythe6763]

oh fuck

[@TheNitpickChick]

An apt metaphor! 👀

[@unslept_em]

we're gonna need a bigger countermeasure

[@-S.L.]

only 9 minutes in and this comment scares me

[@toxoplasmagondi]

oh. that sounds like foreshadowing for sure

[@jeffgoode9865]

Elias and Jon sound so similar, I thought Jon had come back until they started talking about Jon in the third person.

[@maryagrimm8412]

Jon and Leitner having a civilized conversation while Not!Sasha hunts Tim and Martin for sport

[@winterwolf211]

Why would they assume it was Jon when they've seen Not!Sasha.

[@alkalimepie]

i mean, he didn’t really have a liking for jurgen and on top of that, he’s really paranoid so when they found jurgen’s body in jon’s office,, well u get the idea ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@najhoant]

The body was in Jon’s office and Tim already disliked him. Also, why would something that looked and moved like Not!Sasha kill someone with a metal pipe, of all things?

[@jaderush4141]

@@alkalimepie well, I don't think they would recognize him as Jurgen right away. Brushing the pipe mutilation aside, I don't think they actually know what Leitner looks like. After all, they've only ever dealt with his name and his books. And even if they were familiar with his appearance, it'd probably still take them a minute to accept that Jurgen Leitner of all things was haunting the Archive's tunnels and is now lying dead in their boss' office after 20 years of incredibly successful hiding.

[@TenjoTengeCT]

Man, what a finale. I refused to believe Sasha was gone but shit I guess we really won't see her again...

[@imchoosingnottoexist6894]

The way Jurgen Leitner describes defining The Dread Powers is like how putting your consciousness into a computer is described in MAG 65 Binary

[@SunnyCapricious]

" Michael's identity issues" me too man. Me too 😔

[@amandanaoexiste]

I'll tell you I SCREAMED when Jon said his name

[@amandanaoexiste]

Also I think it's ironic how people consider Martin to be this sweet little thing when he is yelling at Tim like he has rabies love him

[@hannahcartwright8190]

I heard 978 books in his personal library and I swooned at the thought of having a personal library that big

[@JesseColton]

Filled with demonic tomes of otherworldly Eldritch evil?

[@hannahcartwright8190]

@@JesseColton I mean, I think that goes without saying

[@nanahuatli2144]

But you can't read any of them.

[@tearez13]

@@nanahuatli2144 No, but they look pretty.

[@plxnetastro]

Jesse Colton EXACTLY!!! sign me the fuck up !!!!!

[@AckermanYuki]

the unknowing Not!Sasha: "you'll miss the Unknowing of course,but you wouldn't understand it"

[@mimkyodar]

Good catch!

[@nanahuatli2144]

That was awful and I hated it. People being helpless and scared make me feel horrible, especially when they end up suffering or dead, and this fits the bill. I'm going to get a warm drink now. Still great work as usual, RQ. You're hurting me but like, with talent and excellent work.

[@fmoura98]

Oh God, that dripping sound.

[@marinao4412]

28:10 I KNOW he says "I've been _quit_ for five years now" because it makes sense and is also in the official transcript but istg ever time I listen I always hear it as "queer"

[@whiterosesj]

You're absolutely right actually

[@caseylocke4474]

Oh my gosh! You're right! lol!! That's one of those weird things where if you play it over and over and focus on which word you want to hear, "queer" or "quit", you can perfectly hear either one.

[@azulBjort_1406]

I don't know i hear it as Clear

[@CytheriaXylia]

Jon's voice when he comes back and finds Jurgens body breaks my heart. Poor guy has been through so much, hasn't even had time to process Sasha's death or that he's an unwilling part of something bigger than he can even fathom, and then he walks in to find the brutalized body of the one person who seemed to have actual answers to the questions he's been agonizing over this whole time. I hope he'll catch a break next season, but I doubt it 😭

[@joserobertozazueta2227]

“Almost beaten to death by am angry goth” will be one of the phrases I’ll never forget

[@halfchiangel88]

I’m so sad and disturbed now :( I really wanted leitner as an ally John could rely on but of course that would be too easy. And hearing his death was just awful, I was switching between muting and unmuting the audio the whole time, and Tim and Martin thinking John did it was so heartbreaking

[@bugjams]

The part about the ant not seeing a whole human, but rather 3 entities, brings to mind when Micheal said, "does an arm own the stomach?" I thought that was a genius tie-in, if intentional. Edit: Nevermind Jon almost immediately makes the connection afterwards.

[@cawareyoudoin7379]

Oh. Well. Sasha is for all intents and purposes dead, and given the fate of the previous assistants, and archivists... I don't like foreshadowing. I really, really hate it. It leaves a bitter taste in my mouth, and I hate it. And the worst thing, I'll probably listen on. Because even if I know what is going to happen, I have that last nasty, wriggling piece of hope that it won't. And that's almost worse than knowing for sure.

[@veronica7426]

your words remind me of Jon

[@cawareyoudoin7379]

@@veronica7426 Thank you, if that indeed was a compliment. I stopped listening after season 4, and am now only learning what's going on trough spoilers from the fandom. I might finish it after it ends, when everything is decided and done

[@williamdavis671]

@@cawareyoudoin7379 I'm mid season 5 and its pretty great so far, I'd say its worth listening to even if the ending will probably be depressing.

[@cawareyoudoin7379]

@@williamdavis671 I'll find out what the ending is, and then maybe listen.

[@lux.illuminaughty]

@@cawareyoudoin7379 I'm not there yet, but in case you didn't know, the last episode has aired. I hope it's all we could wish! kzbin.info/www/bejne/aV7IkJiPe7WdnLc

[@rebelliousone6182]

Oh shit it really was Elias behind all of it :0

[@sandymcneish7820]

I think this franchise somehow just got so, so much better...

[@stortsy]

Hi yes I would just like to let you know that I’m a first time listener and that it’s 12 am and I’m crying thanks

[@namaschu9418]

Same man

[@Iquey]

10:24 "the most valuable things always need to be hunted." Ahh he had a hint of hunt in him. Just a hint. Hunting for books.

[@tonio1377]

You know what really ends me? It'd knowing bc of the fandom that this is only the beginning of Jon falling into a pit of despair and bad mental health. This episode, listening to everything while not being able to do anything to help them, that was so frustrating

[@applesource8261]

What do you mean this is only the begining. Nevermind Jon's mental health, I can't take much more of listening to actual cold blooded murder happening. How is it gonna get worse.

[@tonio1377]

@@applesource8261my sweet summer child

[@starryzu4338]

I just started listening to the podcast, and this comment scares me like no other 😃 I don't know what rollercoaster I have strapped myself to, but I guess I have no choice but to continue lol

[@oftheangels777]

“we don’t have time for you to have a breakdown archivist.”

[@kirbee5966]

i guess you could say elias is the man behind.. the slaughter 🤸‍♂️

[@gulo2476]

Leitner didn't deserve this ):

[@Laure-gv7go]

Well, he's certainly not the most innocent person to die on this show

[@elspeth6244]

He kinda brought it upon himself, especially in his monumental hubris

[@caladaley5248]

Yes he did

[@ragefury1817]

He did kill all the assistants

[@Speckaboo]

He didn’t deserve to die. I mean sure he got a lot of people killed and probably had it coming for a while now but he didn’t deserve to die like this

[@tearez13]

_"You have keener eyes than I gave you credit for; I should have expected that I suppose."_ 👀

[@NerveUnderscore]

The goddamn blood dropping... holy- I was ready to hear a body falling to the floor. But- damn it. Please, Martin you are the only soul that probably will have a little doubt with Jon, keep believing in him. He will need a friend, we all.

[@tinkerbellqueen6962]

“Statement of Jurgen Leitner” WHEN I TELL YOU I FUCKING LOST IT

[@cactusc9519]

SOME SHIT ABOUT WHAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN, HYPOTHETICALLY, HIS LIBRARY.... ( if you weren't referencing the meme, i apologize )

[@_mel_9953]

The super long silence with nothing but dripping after (spoiler) Leitner is killed is the worst/best thing ever. I was not prepared for this. The season one ending was spooky but also fun; there was some humour, some adventure stuff, and everyone made it out somewhat alive. This was so different, but still, I loved them both❤️

[@valley2827]

I can't imagine listening to this before season three came out. I'm just now listening to TMA and damn- that cliffhanger got me, even though I don't have to wait for the next season. Ya'll who are veterans, I applaud you.

[@jellywiish1340]

I love that with every mystery unraveled, like Leitner and Elias (the TWIST!) other appears - like wait what, what do you mean that the archive have a master?? And apparently ONE OF THOSE ANCIENT MONSTER BEINGS?! Why did you not ask more about that Jon?? I know Gertrude’s murder is super important and all, but maybe, just maybe it would be good for you to know if you work for a literal monster?!! (˃̶͈̀ロ˂̶͈́)੭ꠥ⁾⁾

[@Macey88]

I never did trust Elias!!

[@egg3255]

assistants, maybe you could call them interns..... all dying or disappearing terribly?

[@jonathanarmes6020]

And now, the weather.

[@icewave3031]

Yeah that’s what I thought too

[@fruitygarlic3601]

To the family of Sasha James...

[@ot7biasedmashups]

Now I know Jon ain't just left through a door when Michael is still wreaking havoc 😃

[@holycarp1676]

It would be really funny if Leitner decided to be a regular ass librarian for the monstrosities. Imagine: a line of not!people, a bone turner, some people from the various cults, Michael just checking books out and Leitner being like: Please return them after you're done with your latest victim :).

[@siiriheikkinen2071]

Becomes even funnier if you imagine all of them waiting politely in line, no need to have bad manners

[@Misty_Grey744]

@@siiriheikkinen2071imagine Michael being a little patient boy/horrific doorway creature🥺

[@siiriheikkinen2071]

@@Misty_Grey744 they were taught good manners after all!

[@duckwithbread07]

"Im going to get a cigarette" JON NO SMOKING LITERALLY KILLS

[@klaushargreevesstanaccount8835]

I feel both like i understand way more of what's going on and also like i have never been more confused. can't tell if jon's gonna get demigod powers or a trip to the psych ward with a 5150

[@fays.p.5663]

Elias is at least a show girl. Sent Jeager Lichtenstein back to party city where he belongs

[@americantoastman7296]

Holy shit dude are you that person who hates Leitner so much?

[@fays.p.5663]

@@americantoastman7296 bro I wish I had such a vocabulary as the guy who described Leitner as an avatar of the whore

[@Cthulhuer]

[CLICK] [CLICK] LEITNER Please! I don’t know how much time we have. ARCHIVIST So you said. [PIPE IS PLACED ON TABLE] LEITNER Is that necessary? You think I pose a danger to you? ARCHIVIST Yes. Yes I do. LEITNER Then take it with you, but I can’t afford to just sit here. ARCHIVIST So talk fast. LEITNER Could we at least have this conversation in the tunnels? ARCHIVIST I’m not going back down there. That thing… Is it dead? LEITNER Unlikely. Whether something like that can actually be destroyed… It is trapped. I, I hope for a very long time. ARCHIVIST And Sasha… The real one? LEITNER Was that her name? I’m afraid she’s gone. Whatever it does to those it takes, they don’t come back. She’s dead. Do you need a moment? ARCHIVIST No. No, I’m… You’re not what I expected. LEITNER I suppose not. My family emigrated when I was very young. English was always my first language. I used to adopt an accent sometimes when meeting people, a sort of personal joke, but truth be told, my Norwegian is terrible. Now, are you going to help me or not? ARCHIVIST You first. You want my help, you answer my questions. Agreed? LEITNER Agreed. ARCHIVIST Good. Good. Statement of Jurgen Leitner. February 16th, 2017. Statement begins. LEITNER You’re quite like her, you know. I suppose that’s no surprise. Anyway, your questions? ARCHIVIST Right. Let’s start with what you did down there. How you… trapped it. [BOOKS ARE PLACED ON TABLE] LEITNER An unexpurgated copy of Ruskin’s The Seven Lamps of Architecture, published in 1845. Of course, Ruskin didn’t even begin writing the book until 1846, and the text of this one varies markedly from the version that was distributed. It gives an acute sense of the walls pressing in around you, and if consumed recklessly, will physically entomb the reader. Over the years, I have found that it interacts with Smirke’s architecture, and those tunnels specifically, in a more predictable way. By carefully reading specific passages in certain locations, I am able to exercise… a degree of control over the substance of the tunnels. ARCHIVIST I didn’t hear you say anything down there. LEITNER I said reading. It doesn’t need to be spoken aloud. ARCHIVIST Right. So you can change the tunnels? LEITNER I can. Though even setting aside the obvious dangers, it’s a time-consuming and imprecise process. That said, I will admit that when you began to explore again, I… closed off certain passages, and remade others. I, I wanted to keep you contained while deciding whether to make contact. ARCHIVIST You moved the tunnels for me? LEITNER The upper levels, yes. Made them more rational, actually. It didn’t strike you as odd that you were able to map them in a matter of weeks? ARCHIVIST I thought I was just getting a sense of the place. I suppose you left the rubbish around for me as well, giving me hints? And the arrow? LEITNER No. I thought I was being very careful cleaning up after myself, but you have keener eyes than I gave you credit for. I should have expected that, I suppose. The arrow, however, was not mine. The ‘Not-Sasha’ had come down several times. I suspect it was almost as curious about me as you were. Perhaps it thought you might have better luck flushing me out. I suppose, in a way, it was right. In retrospect, using The Seven Lamps so much was perhaps unwise. It is possible I unbalanced Smirke’s architecture somewhat, however cautious I might have tried to be. ARCHIVIST And the other book? LEITNER Hardly a book. Barely twelve pages. It is entitled A Disappearance. If read cover to cover, it removes one from the world. I cannot say precisely what that means, only that the assistant I assigned to it, Jacob Feng, was never seen again. I have found, however, that reading only one or two words is sufficient to hide me from the prying eyes of your master. It allowed me to talk with Gertrude in relative safety, and occasionally come above ground for my own ends. ARCHIVIST My master? We’ll get to that. How long have you been down there? LEITNER Hard to say. I’ve been in hiding for over twenty years now, ever since my library was destroyed. Obviously I have not spent all that time below your Institute. The old Millbank prison tunnels stretch out a very long way, and there are other entrances than the one below the Archives. I have a small number of… secure locations, though since Gertrude’s death I have been reluctant to leave the tunnels. I dislike spending too much time in the open. I am always being hunted. Both by creatures like the ones you have encountered, and by certain human individuals who believe I am to blame for the books that destroyed their loved ones. Three years ago, I made the mistake of spending a full night outside my safehouses. I was almost beaten to death by an angry goth. ARCHIVIST [chuckling slightly] That’ll be our Gerard. LEITNER I don’t follow. ARCHIVIST I wouldn’t worry about him. He passed away a couple of years ago. LEITNER That is hardly my point. ARCHIVIST So are you to blame? LEITNER For what? ARCHIVIST For the books. Or did you just stick your name on them by accident? Why the ‘Library of Jurgen Leitner’? LEITNER I… thought that I could control them; that I alone had the knowledge to contain them. Back then, I believed they were simply books. Horrifying, powerful, yes, but with rules, limits that could be charted. I was a fool. I had no idea what forces lay behind them, or that they had other servants that might come searching. I was ruthless, I will admit that. I don’t know how many assistants I sacrificed to learn the secrets of the volumes I collected. Dozens, at least. Only a few escaped with their life and mind intact, and even then they were deeply marked. But I was relentless. I saw myself as a guardian, a reverse Pandora, gathering the evils of the world and locking them away. And so I branded them with my seal. I told myself that if any should escape, such a mark could help me retrieve them. But I think, in my heart, I dreamed of my work becoming known. That “The Library of Jurgen Leitner” would stand as a symbol of courage and protection. Hubris. I suppose it is fitting punishment that my name has become a watchword for evil, spoken by those who only know it as marking the darkest, most terrible of secrets. My name has become a curse. ARCHIVIST Tell me from the beginning. LEITNER I was born the heir to great wealth. My family used to deal in manufacture: steel, textiles, all sorts. But, by my time, it was largely a matter of extensive property holdings and carefully managed investments. Money making money. There was never the need for me to learn anything of worth. I suppose in another life I might have been another rich wastrel, content to squander my inheritance on indulgence and comfort, but I always felt a calling to make something of myself. To matter. I had no interest in politics and, while I was certainly no fool, my attempts at academia were ultimately unsatisfying. Business bored me to tears. The only thing I was ever truly talented at was acquiring things. I suppose you could say I was skilled at shopping. I don’t say that to be glib, nor as a comment on my wealth. I don’t mean I gained any satisfaction from wasting money on vulgar Bond Street trinkets. I mean, I had a genuine and pronounced talent for finding items of worth and convincing their owners to part with them. The most valuable things always need to be hunted, and that was where I excelled. It started by simply cross-referencing auction catalogues with local records and slightly obscure books of art history, but soon I had a network of contacts and took dinner with some of the most eccentric curio dealers in the world. It was Desmond Lorell that first told me of the books. They were a rumour, as these things always are, and he had no idea of the dangers. “Magic books” he called them. He had believed them to be coded spellbooks derived, of all things, from the writings of Merlin! Poor Desmond. When he finally found one, an old leather-bound thing titled The Stalwart Hunters’ Almanac, he had no idea what to do with it. I suppose, looking back, his death was a very good thing for me. The extent of the mutilation, and how closely it correlated with the passages he had described to me, left little doubt as to the connection. So when I acquired the book myself I took exceptional precautions. The thing that surprises me most, I think, is how readily I accepted the existence of the supernatural. I had occasionally made purchases before that that had caused… anomalies, but nothing like those books. Yet as soon as their nature became apparent, I simply accepted it and began to factor it into my dealings with them. It was shortly afterwards I hired my first assistant. A dour man, by the name of Albert Stross. He barely lasted a fortnight. It didn’t take me long to track down other books like Lorell’s, and it seemed like almost overnight I had found my purpose. I was to be the keeper of evil tomes. To begin with, I never gave much thought to their origins; I simply concerned myself with acquiring them, and making sure I had staff I could spare to study them. It was easier than I expected, and I’m always surprised nobody attempted such a thing before me. I suppose few walk away from their first encounter with any desire to look for more, if they walk away at all. And of those that do, none would have had my skill at finding them, or my extensive resources.

[@Cthulhuer]

Luck played a significant role as well. It was shortly after I had begun to have problems storing them that I discovered the work of the architect Robert Smirke. There were several volumes in my possession that, if kept them close to each other reacted… very badly. But Smirke’s writings, his principles of balance between opposing forces, gave me some inkling as to a solution. Today was not the first time my life has been saved by his architecture. I commissioned a house to be built, based on some of his designs, and spent a good deal of time and money gaining access to existing buildings he had worked on, with the aim of storing the books safely. I believe at about that time I commissioned my bookplates and began to label them. And then the house was complete, and I had my library. A vast, lopsided structure, by turns cavernous or maze-like, depending on the needs of the inmates. By the end, I had nine hundred and seventy-eight volumes in my library. Some innocuous, some unsettling and some utterly murderous. In the end, I didn’t have much time to enjoy my achievement. It was only a few years after the house was complete that the attack came. You must understand, I had only ever encountered these dark powers in the form of books or the occasional antique. I had no idea that there were people or creatures out there that served them. So I was not prepared. All my defences were inward facing, to prevent the contents of my library getting out. I suppose getting in must have seemed a trifle. It started with the visitors. Almost every day, some stranger would turn up at my door and ask to see my collection. Now, whatever my secret ambitions might have been, I was very careful not to let word get out about what I was doing. And these people, they were… wrong somehow. They didn’t move as people should move, and their cadence was very strange when they spoke. They almost always forgot to blink. Even then I didn’t realise what was coming, and simply sent them away with a firm refusal. When it actually happened, it was so all fast I barely had time to register it. One moment, I was typing a new catalogue entry for A Journal of a Plague Year, and the next… everything was screaming. My assistants, the books, even me. Thomas McMann was stabbed through the throat by something with too many teeth and limbs like knives. Mary Johnson was pulled into a cavernous maw that opened beneath her. Gregory Todd ran into a door that shouldn’t have been there. A great hand reached down through the roof and plucked away Leandra Toulouse. And there was one other assistant, whose… whose name I don’t recall, but the last I saw of him, he was being pulled into a great, pulsating pile of meat. I don’t know how I escaped. Perhaps because I designed the house, I knew how to best move through it. Perhaps I was sensible enough to steer clear of the rooms that had fallen into darkness, or burned with a fire that seemed to leave the books untouched. Perhaps they let me go. Or perhaps, once again, it was simply luck. I didn’t look back as I fled. Nothing seemed to chase me, at least not then. I had none of the books with me, and that was what they were after. Of course, by the time I realised that, there were many others who were hunting me. Mostly vengeance-minded folk who had lost someone to the books, plastered with my name, that were now free once again. It was easier to let the world think I was dead and, to one degree or another, I’ve been in hiding ever since. ARCHIVIST Huh. You’re right. LEITNER About which part? ARCHIVIST You were a fool. LEITNER Hmm. ARCHIVIST Why didn’t you burn them? LEITNER Pride. If they were destroyed, what was I to guard? Even so, I don’t believe that would have solved as many problems as you think. Many of them wouldn’t have burned, and some even liked the flames. And those that did, I now believe, would have been released to take a different form. ARCHIVIST But you didn’t know any of this when you had almost a thousand of them in your care? LEITNER I’ve spent twenty years trying to learn from my mistakes. ARCHIVIST You said you didn’t take any of them with you, so where did you get these? LEITNER When I started working with Gertrude, she hunted down some editions I thought might help. ARCHIVIST And why was Gertrude helping you? LEITNER Aside from my knowledge about the books? I think she was lonely. I didn’t meet her until about six years ago, after she’d lost the last of her own assistants. She would mention them sometimes. I believe she missed having someone to talk to on occasion. ARCHIVIST I… I didn’t know Gertrude had assistants. LEITNER Of course. Three of them, each meeting an unpleasant end. So, when she found me, it seemed natural that we help each other. In this instance, that meant finding certain useful books. ARCHIVIST Like The Key of Solomon? LEITNER That one was a mistake. I thought that, in the tunnels, there might be the stability to examine it properly, learn something of the forces arrayed against us. But it went wrong. We had to destroy it. I should have known, really. It was one of the few volumes that contained elements of several different powers. ARCHIVIST You keep talking about these… powers? These forces arrayed against you. What are they? LEITNER [Sighing] I’d hoped you would at least know that much by now. But I suppose you are simply the observer, and making these connections is not your role. Gertrude could be much the same at times. ARCHIVIST Just tell me! LEITNER There are… entities in this world. Beings of vast, dark power. Perhaps it would be more accurate to say they are ‘next to the world’, rather than in it. Their true existence could not function in the universe we live in, at least not as it is now. They have nothing in their pure state that could be present in the physical world so they sit in… ARCHIVIST Different dimensions. LEITNER No, I don’t think so. If there are such things, then these beings are linked inexorably to ours. They are not within our world, but they can… affect it in certain ways: reaching out with their will to change things. I don’t know where they come from or how they came to exist, but they are, from what I can determine, effectively eternal. ARCHIVIST Are you… are you trying to tell me all of this is at the behest of… evil gods? LEITNER Oh, there are certainly those who see them as gods. A few even go so far as to try and worship them, but I don’t find it helpful to think of them like that. Perhaps you could liken them to one of the old pantheons, each with its own rituals, agendas and spheres of influence, but I find simplifying them in such a way makes them harder to truly understand. The ‘gods’ were conceived of by humankind as a reflection of themselves, their motives and actions divinely powerful, but in essence purely human. These… ‘things’… I find them hard enough to understand without trying to force human frameworks onto them. ARCHIVIST So the creatures are, what, priests? These books, their holy texts? LEITNER I told you it was an unhelpful analogy. Let’s try another one. Um… Imagine, you are an ant, and you have never before seen a human. Then one day, into your colony, a huge fingernail is thrust, scraping and digging. You flee to another entrance, only to be confronted by a staring eye gazing at you. You climb to the top, trying to find escape and, above you, can see the vast dark shadow of a boot falling upon you. Would that ant be able to construct these things into the form of a single human being? Or would it believe itself to be under attack by three different, equally terrible, but very distinct assailants? ARCHIVIST So the books, the monsters, they’re part of these beings? Just extensions of them? Fingers being pushed into our world? LEITNER The books are, I think, their essences in a purer form. The other things that stalk us, from what I know of them, they have varying wills of their own. All in service of the thing they’re a part of, but not directly controlled by the mind beneath them. At least, inasmuch as these entities have something we could recognise as a mind. ARCHIVIST Like a… a, a muscle, spasming on reflex? LEITNER Yes, that’s actually rather good. ARCHIVIST It would explain Michael’s identity issues. LEITNER Michael? Oh… that, that’s what the Distortion calls itself these days, isn’t it? That one is part of a power that my assistant Domingo used to call “Esmentiaras”, which I believe translates as ‘it is lies’ or ‘it is lying’. At the time, of course, we just used it as a way to classify books. I call it the Spiral. It deals in fooling the senses, in making you see and hear things that are not there, in drawing you into mazes and making you doubt your own sanity.

[@Cthulhuer]

ARCHIVIST Fractals. LEITNER Yes. It seems to have a particular fondness for them. ARCHIVIST What about bones? Does one of them manifest with, with bones? LEITNER [HEAVY SIGH] You’re thinking too literally. Examining the physical categorisation, but ignoring the meaning of the thing. What are the bones? In the Distortion, your “Michael”, the structure of a skeleton, an established reality in your mind, is twisted and warped into an impossible form. But in other cases? Are they a symbol of slaughter and butchery? Are they the familiar made wrong? Or are they simply part of the messy, physicality of flesh? ARCHIVIST I’m sorry, this is a lot to take in. LEITNER Well, do so quickly. We’ve wasted enough time on your questions. ARCHIVIST Fine. Then I’ll make this one simple: did you kill Gertrude? LEITNER No. Don’t be absurd. ARCHIVIST Then who did? LEITNER This is a distraction! You’re in no danger - ARCHIVIST Who? LEITNER I believe it was Elias. ARCHIVIST What? Why? LEITNER I assume he discovered we were planning to destroy the Archives. ARCHIVIST Gertrude was going to destroy the Archives? LEITNER This is why I need those files. I searched this place thoroughly, and they’re not here, so I assume Elias took them when he killed her. I need your help to get into his office. ARCHIVIST But the cameras? They showed him. LEITNER Simple mechanical eyes? In his place of power? You think he can’t control everything they see? Assuming such interference wouldn’t ruin them beyond recovery, of course. ARCHIVIST This place belongs to one of them, doesn’t it? LEITNER You know the answer to that. ARCHIVIST The Eye. LEITNER I have also heard it called Beholding. ARCHIVIST And I… LEITNER You belong to it, too. ARCHIVIST I… Uh… I… I think I need some air. [SOUND OF FUMBLING IN DRAWER] LEITNER We don’t have time for you to have a breakdown, Archivist. [CHAIR SCRAPES ON FLOOR] ARCHIVIST I’m going to have a cigarette. Don’t… [DOOR OPENS] Don’t. [DOOR CLOSES] [SILENCE] LEITNER I’m not sure you would have liked him, you know. He’s paranoid enough. But I don’t think he’s got the stomach for it. [SILENCE] [DOOR OPENS] [SURPRISED BREATH] [CLICK] ELIAS Well. This is a surprise. [CHAIR SCRAPES ON FLOOR] ELIAS Reach for a book and I will kill you. [CHAIR SCRAPES BUT SLOWER, AS IF RESUMING SEAT] ELIAS How much have you told him? LEITNER Enough. ELIAS About Gertrude? LEITNER No. No, I didn’t have time. ELIAS I’ve wondered for so long who it could be down there. Who was helping her. I honestly never would have guessed. LEITNER How did you know I was here? ELIAS I didn’t. You’re very well hidden. But John is not, and he failed to take the same precautions I’m sure you took for granted with Gertrude. I knew he was talking to someone. And it turns out to be Jurgen Leitner himself. [Soft chuckling] What an honour. LEITNER [Begging] Elias, please! ELIAS What did you want from him? LEITNER The files. The ones you took from Gertrude. ELIAS Planning a little light arson, are we, Jurgen? LEITNER It’s not just the Institute and you know it. They had everything she had found on the Stranger. ELIAS I know. It’s, um… what do they call it? LEITNER The Unknowing. ELIAS [Chuckles] Creativity never was their forte. LEITNER You of all people should want to stop them. ELIAS And we will. But I don’t think we’ll need your help. LEITNER And what’s he going to think when he gets back? ELIAS Well, he was always going to need to fly the nest at some point. Go out and see the world for himself. LEITNER He might die. ELIAS It’s always a danger. Almost always. LEITNER Elias, it doesn’t have to be like - [EXTENDED SOUNDS OF BRUTAL PIPE MURDER] [PIPE DROPS AND ROLLS] [DOOR OPENS, CLOSES] [SILENCE EXCEPT FOR THE SOUND OF DRIPPING] [DEAD SILENCE] [DOOR OPENS] ARCHIVIST Sorry, I’ve been quit for five years now, but th - [STUNNED SILENCE] Oh. Oh god… I need to… Uh… I need to, um… [trails off almost incoherently] [CLICK] [CLICK] TIM I think it’s working again. MARTIN Tim, where were we? TIM …yeah, yeah it’s recording. MARTIN Forget the bloody tapes, Tim! Are we sure this is… this is here? TIM Yes. Because the tape works now. MARTIN How long was it? TIM I don’t know. And I don’t care. MARTIN Sorry? Sorry, what? How can you not care!? TIM Because this is us now. Worms. Monsters. Corridors. They’ll keep happening until one of them kills us, and we’ve just got to deal with it. [SIGH] Any sign of the woman? MARTIN I don’t think so. We should have helped her. TIM No. MARTIN But we could have tried! TIM How? MARTIN … TIM Look. There’s no point talking about it. It happened. I hope it doesn’t happen again. Statement fucking ends. [SILENCE] MARTIN We… we should look for John. Maybe we can still help. TIM It’s been days. At least. MARTIN We can’t just sit here moping! TIM It’s probably already killed him. MARTIN Don’t joke about that, okay? TIM Fine. MARTIN Tim! TIM Try his office. MARTIN Yeah. Right. [DOOR OPENS TO THE SOUND OF DRIPPING] John? Oh. Oh no. TIM I told you he was going to do something like this. MARTIN Oh, no, no… Who is it? TIM I told you. MARTIN Oh John… What have you done? [CLICK]

[@renatamanzano6335]

@@Cthulhuer Thank You so much for transcribing these, You really help My adhd ass 😍

[@islaridland]

Ahhh thank you!!!!!

[@bonniecornelius3836]

Cryoscius thank youu

[@inkdragon3455]

Gore sounds warning Crunching: 27:18-27:36 Dripping: 27:36-28:32

[@americantoastman7296]

Thats why I looooove Nestle ~Crunch~

[@caseylocke4474]

Hi! 7 months ago, you posted the time indexes for a "Gore sounds warning" on Episode 80 of Magnus archives which was liked many times. May I ask a silly question? What were your thoughts behind letting people know about that? In other words, are those sound effects something that bother some people and you were just being kind to inform them? Just curious. Thanks!

[@inkdragon3455]

@@caseylocke4474 This was sort of for me, sort of for others. I have a gore sound trigger, and I will spiral into a panic attack when I hear sounds that are very gorey. I put these times stamps here so 1. If I relisten, I can skip. And 2. If other people need to skip they can. Tma is an awesome series as a whole, and I want other people and myself to be able to enjoy it.

[@caseylocke4474]

@@inkdragon3455 Oh, I see! That's very cool! Thanks for explaining and sharing with others. Much appreciated. :)

[@aoifemcg8154]

Jared 🥺 my angry goth 💞

[@himeow7454]

*Gerard. Jared's the bone-stealer guy.

[@caseylocke4474]

Glad I'm not the only one who was extremely confused for a while about the difference between GERARD Keay and JARED Hopworth. That drove me crazy. My kids and I still refer to Gerard as "Jared" because we were so use to him being called that by the time we figured out that Brits pronounce them, apparently, the exact same way. I think it's one of those things like the name Bernard. In the States, we pronounce it "ber-NARD" but the Brits say it "BER-nerd."

[@aoifemcg8154]

@@caseylocke4474 I've ended up calling them both Jarard. Too many j's and g's

[@nanahuatli2144]

Also I thought the end of the season would be about spiders. Way to keep me on my toes.

[@ClassicNovel]

When this one ended I was just clutching my chest going "ohhhhhh NOOOOO..." Ouch ouch ouch!

[@bardoftherunekeepers6601]

Wait so the guy who voiced Lietner is related to the guy who plays Jon?

[@grinstrashcan]

it's his father, i believe!

[@AerCloud]

And if I recall properly, Gertrude is played by his mom!

[@thistlepierce]

leitner: "please stop hitting my ribcage with a metal bar 🤓🤓🤓"

[@maddyc2025]

oh my god, that was...brutal.

[@nickbowling9383]

No spoilers please, but I do want to document my theory at this point in listening. My thought is that the entities exist within the minds of people as living embodiments of different kinds of fear. The books are their purest form in our world because it is literally the thoughts of people directly translated into a physical medium. The goal of each entity is simply to feed itself by creating as much fear as possible. If one entity is made of a fear of the dark for example, the more people it can make afraid of the dark, the more larger and more powerful it becomes.

[@byunbaekhyun4010]

Good theory!! Season 4 should be a blast for you

[@mjamin9124]

oh shit

[@cactusc9519]

either way, in any case, nice write up of an idea! gonna avoid spoilers here! wishing you well and all that!

[@konoha_z6300]

huh, i expected Jurgen Leitner to be like...a total douchebag, just in general, based on the assumption that he was a rich asshole with a bunch of magic books, which i guess he used to be. pleasant surprise to see that he seems to be a pretty okay dude in present times. edit now that i finished the ep: god fucking dammit

[@patrickbailey2799]

Oh man, was it Lightener who was living down here the entire time?!

[@HyacinthoIgnis]

leitner's voice when he said "of course" at 18:27... spooky.

[@KJ-wm8en]

Same!!! I had to do a double check, don't trust that at allll

[@RoseMultiverse]

nvm he seems like he was a bit of an avatar perhaps or marked or whatever

[@caseylocke4474]

Hi! I just got to Magnus Archives Episode 80 where you were 8 months ago when you noticed that Leitner's voice went evil twice on the words "of course" (18:27) and "'yes" (22:42). PLEASE without any spoilers, can you just tell me if that ended up being important to the plot? Since John didn't react to it and the tape didn't start making weird noises, I thought it might have been an editing mistake by the podcasters...but it seems WAY too obvious and evil and confined to a single word to be a mistake. Could you just tell me a 'yes' or 'no' if it ended up being important to the plot? Thank you!!! :)

[@HyacinthoIgnis]

@@caseylocke4474 its been a while since i listened to tma but i think no

[@achillesjacklyn8944]

I know! I had to replay it to make sure i wasnt mis hearing

[@late_prince8945]

I'm so happy, so devastated, so terrify, I feel right now so many things. I love this podcast so so much

[@clovercard22]

God that half a minute with only the sound of drip drop drip drop

[@undergnomes6248]

Imagine working at this guy's library and one day you all just get jumped by all the entities at once!

[@georgie393]

me: *calmly putting things away while i listen to the episode* jon: statement of jurgen leitner me: *slams stuff on bed* edit: gotta love brutal pipe murder

[@lisawilson1010]

I don't know why but I trusted Elias, or at least I never expected him to do anything like that. This season has been absolutely bone chilling. Well done on everything, especially the dripping, it was horrifying

[@saurabhsharma6939]

Only he keeps contact with the Lukas family and has been in the archives from ~30 years so I did have my doubts with him when he said "what SuPeRnatURal? What prentiss ? " Like he didnt encounter anything of this sort ever

[@ametrime4754]

As a wise man once said, "if i have to deal with jurgein leitner speaking one word in person on voice in podcast not only will i close the tab i will delete my bookmark out of spite and have to rewatch the entire series again for the experience of being able to skip all the times when he is mentioned or alive"

[@LyneSoco]

27:17 [EXTENDED SOUNDS OF BRUTAL PIPE MURDER]