THE MAGNUS ARCHIVES #89 - Twice as Bright

[@atiredweeb8551]

Georgie: WHAT HAPPENED?! Jon, cradling his newly crisped hand and scowling: I socialized.

[@soulgalaxywolf1024]

I don't know why, probably cause I'm an introvert, and the image popped into my head, but this sent me to a fit of laughter 😂😂😂

[@citra1885]

Ah yes, every introvert ever

[@table2.0]

Literally. So incredibly true bestie

[@Sam-ey9uj]

"I touched a woman"

[@samtigerlilly1003]

So like, these people have the ability to burn others to a crisp, Mike can FLY, Micheal can basically teleport, and all our protagonist gets is the power to make people overshare? This is ridiculously unfair.

[@late_prince8945]

He surly may be capable of more, remember when Elias just jump into narrator's mode with Daisy's story that like she said he couldn't know about?

[@megalunalexi5601]

This lady who's name I already forget DID say she thought it was a bad choice

[@c.r.4985]

So er...165...

[@megalunalexi5601]

@@c.r.4985 I'm not there yet, can't wait to catch up but also... I'm scared lol

[@samtigerlilly1003]

@@c.r.4985 Oh ho ho I know. I know now. I have been enlightened on the power of... oversharing.

[@ErrorNotFound-nl1sh]

_The audience is only safe when the story isn't about them_ I feel threatened

[@AIDragon_2]

I felt particularly attacked hearing her say that bc. I love scary things but when they actually happen…. Well. Yeah

[@dull_demon4717]

i think it was a threat

[@ComradeLuka]

Knowing how this series ends… I think it IS a threat. To us specifically.

[@mello-by]

@@ComradeLuka UHHHHHH

[@rellethias]

​@@ComradeLukathis

[@BreadGolem]

How many scars can Jon get before he just fucking dies?: The podcast

[@azulBjort_1406]

Literal or emotional scars -(￢∀￢)σ

[@voidjockey82]

Elias: _watches with popcorn_ "I keep my bet at 14." Peter: _watching from the other side of the sofa_ "Please, he won't make it past 6."

[@doctorjay8673]

@@voidjockey82 Michael: Lucky number 13

[@wormsontoast]

wouldnt the worm scars leave it above all of those numbers? at least as far as i know it didnt seem like just a few worms

[@pyrosianheir]

@@wormsontoast No, no.... They're guessing correctly.

[@KatanaDen]

Jon * Reaches for handshake * Michael in the background: "That was incredibly stupid."

[@someoneawesome8717]

@Athena Sprague I think you mean Delightful!

[@PipeBombOfficial]

This actually made me laugh so hard😭

[@DJsonnet141]

I heard his voice in my head 😮

[@xyeona9624]

Not even a door can help with that

[@SwirlyPinwheel]

Jon: HoW dO i FeEd My GoD??!!! Also Jon: Can't. Stop. Recording!

[@alilweeb7684]

tho. he doesnt get cool superpowers tho

[@someoneawesome8717]

@@alilweeb7684 um if you don't mind a spoilers . . . . . . He does get the ability to inflict compulsion upon individuals

[@someoneawesome8717]

@@alilweeb7684 I'm from farther in the future, HOLY SHIT BE CAREFUL WHO YOU PICK ON IN MIDDLE SCHOOL!!

[@clayxros576]

@@someoneawesome8717 Ah so the Observer crosses over with the puppeteer in terms of power? Interesting.

[@someoneawesome8717]

@@clayxros576 I think it might have something to do with how the powers themselves manifest for each individual but this is just speculation. While both Jon and Elias serve the Eye their methods of "information gathering" are incredibly different as seen when comparing Elias aggressively taking the statement directly from Daisy's mind leaving her a nearly sobbing wreck to Jon's uncomfortable prodding questions that you cannot seem to stop yourself from answering and without spoiling too much Elias joined the Eye because he witnessed an act of incredible violence meanwhile Jon joined the Eye because he hated the thought of being a victim of an unseen manipulatior.

[@conandenz8413]

Woman: it won't hurt •has burned people before •has talked vigorously about large burns •has no obligation to tell the truth Mr paranoia himself: well guess I might as well.

[@amphitritemists4595]

His brain cells are tired😭

[@pianoguy222]

I mean, in fairness that time was "shake my hand and I'll tell you a secret."

[@NoConsequenc3]

It's part of the "backfire" from worship - he "knew" what would happen, but is good at fooling himself so that he can experience it firsthand. This is why Gertrude threw herself into danger, and why other "close" archivists (michael and the ghost hunt chick) are constantly wanting to GO and find out what's happening. It takes a LOT to force Jon into action, but then he's absolutely fucking relentless because he basically gives in and lets it guide him by (again) pretending HE is in control

[@dude59974]

Yeah I made sure to pause, turn volume ALL the way down, just in case. Good call, Me.

[@minuspi8372]

•literally worships the concept of agony

[@tearez13]

Jude:"You wouldn't shake my hand" Jon:"No I'm not stupid" Jon later in the episode: I guess I am stupid

[@justeundonut-moi.7979]

🎵He looked at me like I was stupid, I'm NOT stupid🎵

[@daringromanVA]

@@justeundonut-moi.7979 I may have punched him, it's a blur, sir.

[@syrusangi8743]

If I'm being honest, he didn't have much of a choice. Judy is obviously shown to be unhinged n cruel, so I doubt she wouldn't have done worse had he not done what she said.

[@hartiiw]

@@syrusangi8743 yeah right, like Jon needed that information and knowing how cruel she is, she would have just used another way to hurt him.

[@richmondvand147]

made a pact, thats important

[@jaderush4141]

Some highlights from the transcript for this episode: [SOUNDS OF DEMONSTRATIVE SQUELCHING] [NOISES OF A HORRIFIED ARCHIVIST] Thought I'd share this delight with y'all. Things in this podcast: I could kill, y'know. Jon: /sassy stare/ Things: ...Or I could just tell you about my life. It all began when I was 5 and mommy sent me to my room without dinner.

[@thecluelessone7296]

Where is the transcript? I can't seem to find it on their website.

[@trashedeggnog3858]

@@thecluelessone7296 you can find it on the wikia!

[@thecluelessone7296]

@@trashedeggnog3858 Thanks

[@hamburgerdog25]

_I never was the same after that time I got thrown in the pool for swimming lessons_

[@DrMDHyde]

When Jon asks questions, it forces people to answer. It’s hilarious. Or it claws at them.

[@theprideling]

Now we know why Daisy shared her coffin story like that. Baby's first compulsion

[@clayxros576]

@@theprideling And why Jon was surprised she even did that

[@winterwolf211]

'Maybe you get an itchy eye or something' I SNORTED the shaaaade

[@cezar3169]

Wait, did she mean 'an itchy eye' because ''The Eye''? I'm not getting it, sorry for being thick

[@karenlinares7541]

@@cezar3169 Ur not thick bc u dont get a joke right away And ur right

[@ilomilo850]

@@cezar3169i think you're right, but how is that shade op?

[@stitchthelilo]

@@ilomilo850 it’s most likely shade because it undermines the power of the eye, even if i am currently unaware of whatever abilities the eye has (first listener) clearly it’s powerful. just instead powerful in terms of knowledge since.. you know, infinite knowledge. it also seems to be able to manipulate? but whatever, i hope you get the point

[@lilimia100]

will someone PLEASE hug jonathan the poor guy is having a rough time

[@pianos4095]

I volunteer

[@MedeaGrey]

Just... not Jude Perry.

[@germanerd6148]

Someone call Martin

[@amphitritemists4595]

Im trying to😭

[@fred_______]

I’m the 666th like

[@Nizati]

.... The more I listen to these, the more I understand why in DnD Intelligence and Wisdom are two very different things. Jon might have a really high intelligence stat, but his Wisdom is abysmal. He has no concept of self preservation.

[@seelcudoom1]

wisdom is also the stat of faith based magic which ironically none of those chosen by the "gods' seem to have here

[@Ghostrecall_M]

@@seelcudoom1 Paladin and Warlocks use Charisma.

[@seelcudoom1]

​@@Ghostrecall_M in 5e paladins powers come from conviction not faith and in 3.5 where it is faith based there spellcasting is indeed wisdom, while warlocks do come from a higher power its in a bargain, faith is not required and in most cases you can even keep your powers while actively opposing your patron, its even arcane not divine

[@melissaharris3389]

Jon would be classified as a warlock. He thought he was a wizard so maxed out Intelligence instead of Charisma which explains why his powers are so weak.

[@mimkyodar]

Worm Wife, Spider Wife, now Fire Wife.

[@mimkyodar]

Magnus Archives. Find the waifu of your dreams... OR NIGHTMARES

[@malmorose]

Fire Wife was Agnes

[@mimkyodar]

@@malmorose maybe for you:P

[@kellanlevi5663]

@@mimkyodar many fire wife. Polyamorous arson

[@daughtersstormcrow553]

@@mimkyodar don't forget Skin Wife! We love a sentient mannequin out for blood!

[@Valelebee]

For all the Observing he’s supposed to be doing Jon’s sure never seen a braincell in this life

[@robinhoodproductions5102]

You who Knows but does not Understand

[@augustusbrown2914]

HELP ITS TRUE

[@TheNitpickChick]

All eyes. No brain. 😁

[@f_mva]

in this case at least he KNEW he was gonna get burned, but i mean.. what else was he to do

[@jaderush4141]

True, but...neither have most people not going through med school xd

[@kyberserpent6397]

Guys. Look. Jon knew he was probably gonna get burned. But he was gonna get the info he wanted or die trying.

[@theprideling]

YES thank you.

[@airiapink3417]

4:50 "My dad could beat up your dad!"

[@tellmeemoar8357]

jesus christ someone give this poor man a pamphlet

[@Alsarnia]

And please, for his sanity's sake, make sure it didn't once belong to Juergen Lietner

[@racoon_in_ankhmorpork]

I’m sorry but “the audience is only safe when the story isn’t about them” is somehow a really, REALLY cool line to me.

[@soaring-comet]

hearing jon scream hurt me a little inside the fact that i identify so much with martin certainly didn’t help that

[@hauntedteethcupboard]

Same

[@alilweeb7684]

honestly it was almost foreshadowing at this point

[@floofyowls8989]

oh fucking felt

[@katherinealbee7501]

RIP my headphones

[@cogmonocle2140]

it hurt me a lot inside inside meaning inside my ears not fun to have to crank up the volume so high to understand everything being said then get hit with that 💀

[@fantabulousstar4722]

"Fine, keep your secrets"

[@RoseMultiverse]

Fantabulous Star lmao that is from a meme isn’t it

[@tearez13]

@@RoseMultiverse It's a quote from the Lord of the Rings

[@hauntedteethcupboard]

That’s what I was thinking

[@thegenderfluidthing8660]

I hate how everyone's saying Jon is stupid bcs he puts himself in dangerous situations to gain knowledge, I'm only up to the current episode but I'm pretty sure that's the sort of vibe the Eye is supposed to have, it's that kind of reckless romanticism that gives him his character

[@theprideling]

Basically yeah. He even said it himself a couple of episodes ago. He knew going after Jude Perry would be super dangerous. He knows going after Michael Crew will be as well. He just NEEDS to know 👁

[@albuseisenhorn3385]

bingo! thats part of its portfolio

[@richmondvand147]

yeah the eye is about knowledge at the COST OF EVERYTHING including yourself to the point of obsession as well. Its only those who feed the eye that gain powers to protect oneself

[@Companion92]

She sounded so turned on, when she talked about burning things/people, it's really creepy. And Poor Jon gained some new scars I guess

[@anemoi6803]

Is it bad that I'm kinda into it?

[@Companion92]

@@anemoi6803 Nah, me too

[@RelativelyBest]

Don't really like that type of villain. I just find them annoying and keep thinking they need to be punched in the face until they stop being so damned smug.

[@DrMDHyde]

Thomas Price Yes, get help

[@andreagreenwood93]

@@RelativelyBest Me too. Elias is my favorite villain in the story so far. Michael's also interesting. Even Mary Key (does she qualify as a villain?). Anyone but this Jude Perry. Somehow the most satisfying thing would be if her god somehow screwed her over or disowned her. A punch in the face isn't good enough.

[@noimnothim1662]

That was eye opening.

[@squirrelshapedcorps]

Budump tiss

[@eleniaristeidou502]

Hehe

[@ashnesslinguistics3570]

How dare

[@azulBjort_1406]

Lol

[@inuzrule]

The Lightless Flame must be having a ball in 2020, so many wildfires, so much destruction...

[@pianoguy222]

Had a good entrance at the start, but then The Corruption made a real good showing of it, and The Stranger took advantage of it

[@maxmattos1826]

@@pianoguy222 I think the fears are doing a parade y’know?

[@crowbird0540]

@@maxmattos1826 Save for maybe the Web & Flesh (and even then I can't be sure what with politics and industrial sized cremetoriums respectively), I think every existing Entity had a little bit of a show within the last 2-3 years

[@user-cx7qc5bg3r]

​@@crowbird0540 im sure the web at least had a part of it planned

[@marcogypaetus9607]

@@pianoguy222 And the Lonely was quick to jump on that train too

[@voidmatic]

her laughing while Jon says his usual statement opening is a fantastic detail - also uhh Jon??? ffs be more careful

[@trucetruce335]

Honestly I think he’s being reckless as a side effect of, idk how to say, self hatred or something but that sounds too harsh

[@theprideling]

@@trucetruce335 Yes but also maybe some weird kind of hunger? She did say he has to feed his "god" or it would feed on him. The way he can't stop reading the statements even when Georgie tells him to...

[@rilo777]

I went to bed listening to TMA and forgot to set a timer to stop it after half an hour, you don't know fear until you wake up to the handshake scene at 2am.

[@rai4119]

BRUHHH I woke up to the screaming and shouting of everyone in the archive during the *INFESTATION* 😭 and I was like seven chapters behind too

[@loveroofreemusic]

jon- ah yes i didn’t shake her hand earlier because she will burn me, obviously, i’m not stupid! jude- it won’t hurt jon- oh okay! i’ll shake it right now then.

[@mechengr1731]

I think the second time he was resigned to his fate. She promised to tell him what he needed to know, and she was probably looking at him murdery.

[@angelaphsiao]

Better to burn one hand than his entire body, to death

[@albuseisenhorn3385]

thats the whole point of the beholding - knowing even if it destroys you

[@odothedoll2738]

I love how he’s just like OH MY GOD SHUT UP EDGELORD

[@jainkans5794]

I feel like Jon gets partially offended on behalf of the eye when she said it's useless

[@mimkyodar]

*grins having fully listened*

[@alchemicpunk1509]

The soft calliope music in the background is suitably unnerving

[@TaelluricInterlude]

HOW DID I NOT NOTICE THAT

[@macabrecitrus2127]

@@TaelluricInterlude I don't hear it 😭

[@anyoom9031]

wait where is it i don’t hear it 😭

[@bananaboatcharlie]

You mean the birdsong?

[@duckwithbread07]

Jude: hard to tell degrees.. Jon: ³ʳᵈ ᵈᵉᵍʳᵉᵉ ᵐᵃʸᵇᵉˀ

[@karencantociau1403]

But Martin said John didn't say jokes :(

[@dark-harvet4897]

Jude: C'mon... It won't hurt. Jon, internally: Right. Er-- she's probably going to kill me if I don't, considering that I hurt her feelings and she's simply letting me go off with a third degree burn. Could be worse

[@Notanotherninja]

Everyone's saying how Jon made a stupid choice to shake her hand, but while its definitely not a smart move in terms of personal safety, I can’t help but feel it’s there to show the lengths he’ll go to (or is compelled to go to) to find out more information, not a comment on his lack of brain cells.... Anyway, loving this show like crazy, can't believe I'm so late to the party!

[@cactusc9519]

yepp! and welcome to the show! : )

[@melissaharris3389]

He just _has_ to *know*

[@cyber_runner]

Same lol

[@Jamie-A]

hearing jon scream like that made my blood go cold

[@idkdraws4681]

I thought it was kinda funny, like the ooo for bad romance

[@purplecatloverrandompizza]

Y'all. I'm pretty sure he recklessly finds information and has a need for information because of the eye and- oh OOH SEASON 2 MAKES MORE SENSE NOW

[@ironbarsjack7977]

It’s kinda funny listening to Jon try to make sense of his god

[@emduquemack7514]

so many michaels, so many characters have so similar names, guys, MAgnus archives your stories are complicated enough already you dont need that extra added name ambiguety

[@eliwhite6159]

it reminds me of that college humor video campaign to "stop naming your children michael." even in fiction its inescapable

[@karencantociau1403]

LoL, wait till you know the Chavo del 8

[@Record_Scratch]

i love her voice but please someone help jon.

[@thestranger4894]

Agnes is awfully nice for being the leader of a bunch of murderhobos

[@konkeydongblaster]

Yeah Agnes made me think for a bit that the Lightless flame is a force of “good” that fights and keeps the other entities in check, I was very wrong XD. Agnes is just nice cause that just how she is, Jude is horrible- And that makes it even sadder that apparently one of the ONLY good people in this psychopath fire cult ended up dying…

[@thestranger4894]

@@konkeydongblaster she’s the only avatar in TMA who didn’t have a choice on becoming an avatar

[@linwong1494]

Everyone here railing on Jon for having no braincells (not saying that's _untrue_ ) and shaking her hand, but given the context of this episode it makes perfect sense. If Jon compelled it out of her, she made it clear she would kill him for real, but more importantly, he's always subconsciously followed her advice to serve his god "fearlessly and without hesitation", to retrieve vital knowledge even at the expense of his hand or even his life. His near lack of hesitation to shake her hand was just him being a faithful servant, with a side of charming dumbassery of course. Honestly this might be one of my favourite episodes so far. The writing is always stellar, but this one felt more impactful and beautifully tied together.

[@sethduncan4063]

Yes! This was exactly what I was thinking! Jon needed information, as an agent of the eye Jon is compelled to sacrifice his hand to get the information

[@cactusc9519]

@@sethduncan4063 yep, "i'll give you addressees or info if you shake my hand" sounds about right! (also kind of a personal fave, but sometimes i think about how they might be (or are) mutually "feeding", a limb that lets you record information, a hand, might be an important, painful sort of destruction for someone/thing like Jon here, though it's nice because it's not the most important, and he does deal with the results ok. also from the conversation: Jon: "give me some information that's actually useful or just kill me!" Jude: "NOW you're sounding like a REAL Archivist!" : )

[@kiyara94]

Great, now Jon has scars from two of these enteties. Sure hope he doesn't keep collecting them...

[@TheNitpickChick]

Well... 👀

[@consistentlyinconsistent4877]

Three entities. Burrowed by worms, stabbed by Michael, and now burned by Jude Perry.

[@f_mva]

@@consistentlyinconsistent4877 do we know where michael stabbed him?

[@cezar3169]

@@f_mva idk, if Id have to guess, it'd probably in the leg or in the stomach. My reasoning is that the knife or whatever was used to inflict the wound must be low enough that on didn't notice it at first, that's why when Michael stabbed him we didn't here any struggle or something. Ik the story doesn't really care about these types of things, but I hope Michael didn't miss any major arteries, the cleanup would have been horrible, since most of the characters here seem to be a bit queasy. It's just a hunch, tho.

[@burningtrash6330]

I thought it was one of his shoulders. Could be wrong my memory sucks

[@rory4804]

paranormal fire lesbians: the podcast

[@annachris7130]

This could be about tma or the adventure zone amnesty

[@ethaniwikau8588]

Here at TMA weve got bug wife, door husband, not people, an archivist, said archivists boyfriend, joe spooky, wayyy too many spiders and now the paranormal fire lesbians oh and the pot head grand wizard.

[@caramel9154]

@@ethaniwikau8588 what bout the heroin addicted vampire killer? :(

[@TheAbigailDee]

Love that for them

[@peacebuddha96]

I love it

[@cawareyoudoin7379]

Oh. The picture is becoming clearer. Jonathan continues to make rash, impulsive decisions and to hurt himself in the process. I guess he's hungry for information. You know, Willow from Don't Starve? This is how I imagine her talking.

[@rileymichael2694]

same!! british accent and everything!! i've lowkey been attributing don't starve characters to some of the tma character voices as ive gone through this podcast and i'm surprised to see someone else has done the same (kinda)!

[@tearez13]

DON'T STARVE!!!

[@cawareyoudoin7379]

@@rileymichael2694 (sorry youtube didn't notify me of your comment for some reason :/) yeah! Like Maxwell who is literally the master of shadows??! A researcher whose thirst for knowledge led him to his doom, often depicted with symbols of eyes? A mime? Characters that are hunters, some turning into animals? A depressed lonely child? A SPIDER CHILD? I feel like all the DST characters have been claimed by some TMA entities, and now are stuck in the nightmare realm that's been taken over by them.

[@cawareyoudoin7379]

@@tearez13 YES!

[@tearez13]

@@cawareyoudoin7379 Love that game!!! and now that you brought it up I can't stop thinking about some of the similarities.

[@AnanasVert]

Holy hell jude is terrifying, that "i picked the man who had the most to lose" bit made my skin crawl. Also rusty quill making trading bankers the villains that they are gives me life ❤

[@The_Jho]

I don’t know why, but the scream both hurt and was hilarious, on one side it was a character I’ve grown to like in extreme pain, but on the other hand it reminded me of Mike Wazowskis scream

[@therakshawolf]

This comment wins the internet

[@justalittlesleepy]

23:20 'I lied🥰' she's so funny. Even if she is traumatizing Jon

[@ChiaroscuroPL]

it sucks that u have to be an evil psychopath to get cool superpowers :(

[@squirrelshapedcorps]

Well Jon's not an evil psychopath!

[@ineedmoresalmon2475]

@@squirrelshapedcorps yeah but his powers are proportionally lamer

[@Suthek]

@@ineedmoresalmon2475 I don't know, being able to aparently compel anyone to tell you any secret in what more and more seems to be an eldritch game of thrones seems pretty useful.

[@ineedmoresalmon2475]

@@Suthek yeah I hadn't listened to the whole thing yet

[@beltaya276]

@@Suthek eldritch game of thrones is the perfect way to describe the vibes im getting from this...

[@roxasxiii4454]

First worm injuries, then got stabbed by a butter knife, and now, he left his hand in a toaster.

[@milfmacron]

"stabbed with a butter knife"

[@lilalino]

huh, i wonder... does being stabbed by the Distortion count as being marked by the Spiral? (maybe this is anwered later, i'm a first ime listener, but i heard he needs to be marked by all the fears so...)

[@CrazyTimeTraveler]

Gotta love it when I have the audio turned all the way up in my headphones to hear the lady and then Jon screams into my ears lol

[@namaschu9418]

"Laughs like a headache" got me dead

[@jarf2448]

Someone should really give Jon a hand

[@apollyoniguess]

I-

[@eusouabia2986]

A living hand please, with the whole person (I think that with this kind of fiction, you need to be very specific of what you wish)

[@lyx8039]

@@eusouabia2986 maybe not a living one...

[@hamburgerdog25]

I think Agnes had a spare laying around somewhere

[@meical2680]

maybe a need to be precice about what person it would be kinda bad if it was michael...@@eusouabia2986

[@zGabaz]

Damn, this one made me really sad. The guy in the statement died like a dog and was framed as a criminal, which I think is even worse. Imagine leaving your wife and child and they think you were doing shady stuff... :(

[@swiftfeathers7028]

Lady's completely unhinged

[@americantoastman7296]

Thank you! Everyone is just like 🔥 lesbian fire cult 🔥 but why is noone talking about the fact that she deliberately targeted happy people to torture and kill? That she is keeping an eye on the boy whose parents she murdered needlessly in case he ever gets something she can "take away". Lady is completely and utterly terrible. Sadistic, fiendish, inhumaine. This episode fucked me up pretty good, ngl, gotta go watch some silly comfort youtube Videos now.

[@KemonoPriestessHazuki]

Jude Perry talks fast in almost every first sentence of a paragraph

[@kirby8964]

also the spiral and the stranger

[@lydiac9118]

Ok so The Desolation (cult of the lightless flame) The Beholding (eye) The Spiral The Stranger (the NotThems) The Darkness (people's church of the devine fuckin whatever it is) The Web (the spiders) The Hive (also saw it called "The Corruption"??) (? The worms and possibly the sickness that that dude in the loose suit who can't die keeps carrying everywhere he goes) The Slaughter (the thing that made Daisy's childhood friend attack and kill people, the slaughter house thing, basically if any of these subjects have made comments about themselves' or others' specific murderous intent it's probably the Slaughter) Ik your comment is 4 months old so you're probably already caught up, but this is what I've gathered so far lol

[@cezar3169]

@@lydiac9118 i dont think theres a hive... Its probably corruption

[@mimkyodar]

@@cezar3169 Hive is part of Corruption.

[@aesynthi6884]

i love her voice omg. also "my girlfriend" aaaaaa i got vibes from her and i was right edit: jfc the handshake

[@rainm9894]

@Julie Kavanagh she could step on me and id thank her

[@fantabulousstar4722]

I was originally like, "She's such a villain." and then a bit of time went, and then I went "Well atleast she's gay, that's nice. Good for her"

[@cezar3169]

ifkr?! She seems like such a good character yet shes supposed to be super bad

[@Dyno2999]

​@@cezar3169 3 years omg, also I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean, awful pieces of crap can also be lesbian

[@b50sawantrutaprasad81]

Crying. "It wont hurt". "Fine i guess". And that perfectly cut scream. I laughed so hard

[@hamburgerdog25]

She literally just called him the lamb to the slaughter. Of all the insults and threats Jon's enemies have shoved at him, I think this one wins

[@sunken.cities]

cmon jon why would you believe her shes,, a fire woman who likes setting people on fire. why else would she want to shake your hand

[@gonzalocianci6105]

i don't think he belived her, i think he was willing to get burned for the info, You know been compelled by a literal god of knoledge and all of that

[@ducasse8473]

He wanted a piece of the flamussy afterward

[@chillinwithfrogs9708]

​​@@gonzalocianci6105literally !!! Ppl need to open their eyes , like the amount of commemts agreeing with the one above vs this is sad. Like i know jon isnt the brightest but hes not that dumb , also the whole hungry for knowledge thing adds a lot more to his character rather than being dumb

[@fizzyegg]

​@@chillinwithfrogs9708 open their eyes, hehe

[@wakipaki7381]

Jonathan doesn't seem confused by his compulsion ability, but I don't remember it being mentioned in any previous podcast. Is he just innately aware? I mean if I got burned asking a question and asked to stop "compelling" I'd be right confused and asking questions, but Jon seems to know what he's doing.

[@selinaoshea4839]

I think he found out when the Leithner (definitely spelt that wrong lmao), book guy was talking to him after he got out of the tunnels, just before Elias killed him

[@TheNitpickChick]

I would imagine it’s somewhat instinctual at this point. He’s been building up the strength of this ability for a bit now. This is just the first time the audience is blatantly told to actually pay attention to it. The first proper, noticeable compulsion I’ve been able to note was back in “Hard Shoulder.” Daisy didn’t really want to give her statement, but she did anyway, and seemed shaken afterwards. But even before then, all the live statement givers have been very forthcoming and detailed in their accounts. The presence of the Archivist compels the information out of them. And we can even see the difference between Jon and someone else taking a statement. Look at how easily Melanie got into her statement with Jon, and how fumbling and frustrated she was when trying to start a statement with Martin, when she came to talk about being shot in India. (right before being given a job) (Also there’s a later episode where all the assistants try to take people’s statements, and it’s hilarious how hard it is for them. lol)

[@clayxros576]

@@oliviawoloshyn5824 I'd wager hes got his eyes on more important things.

[@tdavis2840]

her voice reminds me kinda like an English version of Azula. Matches up with the evil crazy fire lady too

[@loveroofreemusic]

i was thinking the same thing!!

[@dakotaneeley6000]

*I FELL ASLEEP WHAT HAPPENED* *LAST THING I KNEW I WAS NEAR THE END OF 85 AND I JUST WOKE UP TO JON JUST FUCKING SCREAMING?????????*

[@cwningen]

LMAO

[@gwendolynpeterson5229]

"My girlfriend..." Another win for the Lesbians folks

[@DrMDHyde]

Yes, a monster of a woman that burns people, such a win.

[@prettypianoplayer100]

@@DrMDHyde as a wlw, yes a win, I love her

[@faxonii]

@@DrMDHyde you have been incredibly negative throughout the comments of the podcast, and especially negative when people talk about gay characters. please chill out

[@L0zza]

@@faxonii It's not entirely unearned - the topics of the comments under every episode so far are almost completely disconnected from the actual story and themes of the podcast, and instead just hyperfixate on fangirling over the characters and headcanons and really minor things that honestly aren't that important. I have no problem with representation of any kind, but I seriously wish everyone would stop obsessing over it every single time it appears - it's not a crucial aspect of the story.

[@jellifygirl]

@@L0zza sorry for liking gay people I will do it again

[@AdamOfIngolstadt]

Geogia when he gets home and refuses to take his hand out of the paper bag👀👀

[@gorgonitefire4418]

that scream is up there with blindspot from the boys for the most realistic and painful sounding screach ive heard in fiction

[@anacalderon3062]

I WAS WEARING EARPHONES LISTENING TO THIS AND NOW THAT SCREAM AT THE END KILLED MY EARS RIP

[@Ari-yupokaysuremhm]

"The audience is only safe when the story isn't about them"

[@athela2023]

This is my first listen, I have a panic disorder, and I fell asleep during this episode until Jon startled me awake with his screaming 😭 My half asleep ass thought the clowns got him lmao

[@lokimemes4694]

~23:20, headphone warning

[@DrMDHyde]

Thanks mate.

[@polyanima]

+

[@consistentlyinconsistent4877]

Did not see this until afterwards. So much regret.

[@stickfish8531]

Nooo jon that was a really bad idea..

[@itstictac2825]

My god John I knew you had bad survival instinc but WOW WHY DID YOU SHAKE HER HAND

[@ducasse8473]

Probably just felt like he owed her for the info.

[@jojoceda]

Perry?.. Perry the Arsonist?!?!!

[@elliotsmelliot]

SOBBING

[@EVind-xz8km]

I want to give Jon a hug SO BADLY, it is NOT FAIR that I can't. Like, I've _been there_. Not as in "served an eldritch god-thing", obviously, but as in "I'm new to this". As in "I have just figured out that I am (a/n) _____, Now what do I dooooo?" And yeah, sometimes, in those cases, the people you turn to for advice are not the best choices. This episode makes my heart hurt in the best possible way.

[@ducasse8473]

I was there too but then I nutted in a rooster. And I was all good after ward

[@rileymichael2694]

Wait, when did Jon realize he served the Beholding again? I knew it was gonna happen but I don't recall it ever being explicitly stated till now....

[@ironbarsjack7977]

I think I recall it was when he was talking to the old guy (the one with his name in all the books that lived in the tunnels). Don’t quote me on that tho I have the worst memory.

[@gerardofernandez9499]

@@ironbarsjack7977 You right

[@SwirlyPinwheel]

@@ironbarsjack7977 Jurgen Leitner

[@cezar3169]

it was the book dude. MAG080

[@nightowl8477]

I don't think John's stupid, and I don't think it's the Eye _"compelling him."_ I think he's suicidal. But he's the type of suicidal that puts their life in increasing risks and likelihood of death, rather than outright taking it.

[@raebaer8580]

Jon: give me your statement Jude Perry: *gets burny* Jon: *frodo memes* alright then, keep your secrets

[@toadstooldarling9937]

fire woman: *speaks* me: *HELLO I AM LESBIAN*

[@MedusoJuegos]

The casting is so stupidly good, the voice actress of Jude has absolutely the most sulky, sexy and deadly voice i have hear. Is just fits so perfectly well with her theme of burning destruction. Also John is sticking with his high int low wis build till the bitter end uh?

[@mimkyodar]

Yes. Right down the line. *grins*

[@klaushargreevesstanaccount8835]

watching Jon openly not investigating her mention of his powers MuLtiPLe TimES still ended up playing second fiddle to the pain of listening to him decide to shake her hand????? bro I know you're not that stupid that's some suicidal angst ya got there m8

[@a_jae_doe]

"fine then, keep your secrets" _screams in Frodo fan_

[@idiocracy9020]

I love that ending. John is physically unable to not accept that handshake. He must do whatever possible for knowledge.

[@steliosvagianos8445]

Ah yes, my favorite character: Jon "I will shake the hand of a burning creature made of living flame" SIms

[@flying_pig_girl]

" *I lied* "

[@ot7biasedmashups]

Nah cuz I was so happy when I looked at the title cuz I'm afraid of the dark but damn I didn't expect some Lightless Flame action 💀

[@evagrev7351]

My theory from this episode and what we know so far: I liked this episode. Mostly because it gave us more info about why the entities mark some people. I've stated before that I believe they target either people who are really afraid of or people who are really fond of the things that the entities are about. From Jude's statement we can understand that, when someone is fond of things of a specific entity, the entity is drawn to them and the person can either feed that connection and, thus, become part of the entity, or don't feed it which means get scared from it and become food for the entity instead. So, Jane Prentiss, Michael, Jude here, Elias, that girl from the metro episode that survived and then would leave dirt everywhere she was, Agnes, these are all people who were fond of things that had something to do with an entity and, because they accepted their fate and gave in to it, they became a part of it instead of just victims, while others who couldn't stop being scared, died. That makes me be a bit scared about John's future 'cause, as Jude warned him, he has to either feed the need or be consumed by it. Also it makes me wonder, how many of the witnesses from previous episodes are actually still alive now or were hunted down by the entity they were marked and killed after their statement was given. It's funny how Jude was about to give John info about the whereabouts about someone possibly dangerous for him and John was like "Ah, him? Yes, I know him already. What, no spirals? Then what, ozone smell? Yeah, I know that one too" :P It has been a while since we last heard of Michael Crew, so I'm intrigued to hear what he's being doing now, and also with which entity he's connected and which entity was hunting him in the form of a lightning creature. But, with what we know so far, things point to him being linked with the vast entity, since also the Fairchilds (I couldn't remember their surname last episode) are working for the vast entity. Finally, John has once again gained a mark by an entity. I wonder if there is a reason for that..

[@victory_snow8220]

Honestly, the scariest part of this episode was Jon screaming then it cutting off abruptly.

[@haldan_or_glitch]

Jude Perry: Shake my hand Me: Don't do it Jon...... I'm about to hear screaming, aren't I

[@boopadoop385]

Jon; "Alright, keep you're secrets!"

[@trin-is-late]

Jon: accidentally compels her Jude: don’t even try it or I’ll kill you! Weird though that now I feel like telling you my life story

[@cursedpufferfish3988]

i might have a type... psychopathic fire ladies. for example: Azula, Jude Perry, Burnscar... and when i was little i had a 'fascination' with Peril from the wings of fire books...

[@winterwolf211]

How many Michaels do we have in total? 4? There has got to be more names in Britain than Michael.

[@grinstrashcan]

Two. Michael 'Mike' Crew and Michael The Distortion

[@prettypianoplayer100]

@@grinstrashcan There are 2 non-returning characters named Michael as well. Michael Macaulay is the friend who invited Nathan out for drinks in episode 1, and Michael Getty is the man who hit Naomi with his car in episode 13.

[@_kai2702]

also everyone talking about fire wife™. let us not forget door husband. the laughing legend himself.

[@emmawilson5313]

I see a lot of ppl saying Jon’s stupid for shaking her hand (and I agree) but I also felt like he couldn’t refuse her or else she’d would just do something worse idk He’s certainly stupid enough but I wanna give him the benefit of the doubt

[@tonybradford678]

I don't think he could help it. The drawback to his power. He needs to gain knowledge. Even if he is hurt in the process. She was willing to tell him where Michael Crue is, but she wanted him to shake her hand. He knew full well what would happen. He just felt compelled to, to gain that knowledge. At least that is how I am taking it.

[@albuseisenhorn3385]

@@tonybradford678 Yup thats its point that and the feeling of being watched

[@ThatMothThoth.]

this woman literally made me feel sick in the way that she speaks, she felt like she could not be trusted the moment she spoke... dang these people are great at voice acting! also people say there's an episode for everyone, this is mine i guess. this single conversation sent shivers down my spine, and a pure disgust that reminds me of that time i watched Dr. pimple popper for half an hour (my mom watches it and i wanted to see how long i would last)

[@caracrotalus]

I love how even the show mocks how many mikes there are 😂

[@flamingtorrent2109]

voice acting top notch as always! now to scribble down hand burn on the list of scars this man has so i can identify him in fanart..

[@certaindeathawaits]

Her name being Agnes reminds me of Agni अग्नि, the Sanskrit word meaning "fire", and the Vedic Hindu god of fire, reflecting the primordial powers to consume, transform and convey. He is one of five, the others being Prithvi/Bhudevi (Sanskrit: पृथ्वी:, Earth), Apas/Varuna/Jala (Sanskrit: आपः, Water), Vayu (Sanskrit: वायु:, Air), and Akasha/Dyaus (Sanskrit: आकाश, Space/Atmosphere/Ether)

[@micahthedoordemon3802]

The static has been driving me mad this whole episode, but very good detail it cements the detail that when ever a spooky creature is there is messed with electronics, like light bulbs, recorders, etc. etc. It's a really cool detail with heavy foreshadowing that we completely missed

[@voidmatic]

oH GOD THAT ENDING

[@rebelliousone6182]

What do you mean compelled?!

[@dawhandaonli5925]

Ever notice how when Jon asks people for statements or explanations they just give it? Even people like Basira and Daisy? I'm pretty sure that as a member of the archive he has the power of persuasion (Tim also seems to have it)

[@DrMDHyde]

If An archivist asks a question, you answer simple as, if they ask you to jump off a bridge well. Since this thing, I refuse to call it a woman, is a servant of another entity it can resist, but if Jon could ask it questions over and over it’d break.