The Man That Finland Forgot | The Vanishing Of Vesa Matti Frantsila

[@sandrafaith]

That note... WTF? Being missing for 15 years and having no one notice is so very sad.

[@arthas640]

My boss would probably have Search and Rescue looking for me if i disappeared for a day. One time i slept through my alarm due to accidentally taking 2 prescription sleeping pills instead of 1 and he practically beat my door down by 10am. I'm pretty sure I could die and he'd be arguing with Saint Peter to get my soul back at least until he can find someone to cover for me.

[@TheXmeimei]

15 YEARS! Not one time not one person, not even his mother ever wondered, “Where is he?” ?! 😢😢😢

[@Zephaeria]

@@TheXmeimei I think the video said his mother was dead.

[@kkiuoi]

@@Zephaeria that's why, :_(

[@lisaanimi]

Well apparently he was a piece of shit human so it isn't really that sad

[@sennituominen4425]

Id just like to point out that using the word "guardian" is a bit misleading! In Finland a guardian makes sure your finances are in order, like in cases of mental illness, the guardian makes sure you don't spend all your money on unesessary things, but on things like food and rent (usually they even pay rent and utilities automatically) A guardian DOES NOT check on the person, spend time with them etc. Since thats not their job. So maybe the guardian was doing his job like he was used to. Im quite sure they don't have straight access to the bank statements of the person they are caring for.

[@SilveryFlame]

Yup! There is also a "real" guardian position, lets call it caretaker, but at that point you're essentially one step removed from full time facility care - if not in full time facility care already. Or you have willingly appointed a willing relative as one.

[@Larzang]

Correct. There's a difference between a "legal guardian", and a "guardian of interests". AKA "huoltaja" vs. "edunvalvoja". Seems like Vesa had the latter, but not the former.

[@bioLarzen]

Thanks for clearing that up! But... even if the guardian only managed his finances, he must have noticed something... After all, any money the victin got (from the state for example) must have stopped being used by the guy... the guardian had 15 years to notice that... Or if the guardian notices that the money of the person they are guardian of, suddenly goes dead - no money is put on any of his accounts and no money is taken out - for FIFTEEN YEARS - is the guardian not supposed to do something? I mean at least notify the relevant authorities that something has probably happened? Is it normal/usual/as per regulations that the guardian notices that for over a decade the guy does not use any money and nor does he put in any money - and they (the guardian) does nothing, just because the money is not used irresponsibly? I would find it extremely hard to wrap my head around it...

[@Ksoism]

​@@bioLarzenthis guardian is probably an official, or actually many. In my understanding social service does this. They probably just monthly post his allowance to his account and pay the bills. If they need more, they will be in contact. At least back then, there probably wasn't a system that red flags if someone hasn't been in contact for some time.

[@bioLarzen]

@@Ksoism I see. Makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up.

[@haaninpoju3583]

In Finland a "guardian" could mean edunvalvoja. An edunvalvoja is often a relative or if no relative is willing to take this position an assigned lawyer. The task of this guardian is to handle the legal and financial affairs of a mentally unwell person. A guardian of this type rarely meets the person they are assigned to which would explain why the guardian never checked on Vesa.

[@TheRilluma]

they abuse their "clients" and are extremely difficult to get rif off

[@vx8431]

Without steel is an idiom in Finnish meaning without alcohol as it has no strength. Having cold nerves is a quirk of trying to translate Finnish to English directly so it sounds strange. What really was said in the article was more akin to " Were you nervous?" "No, I wasn't nervous. With nerves of steel I went and ordered a pepsi without alcohol" when correctly translated. Finnish is very different from English so it is bound to happen.

[@Vilexxica]

We had a somewhat similar case in Michigan of a woman by the name of Pia Farrenkopf who they think died sometime in 2009 & ended up mummifying in her own garage but nobody noticed it until 2013 or '14 because her bills kept getting autodebited. It's absolute madness to consider how we just sort of shrug and give up on some folks.

[@enpakeksi765]

Thought this was about the infamous "Maunulan muumio" (Mummy of Maunula), a man who passed away in his studio apartment, but whose death remained undiscovered for some fifteen years. Still, not time wasted wathcing this vid! Fascinating story without a definite resolution. Maybe the truth is tragically mundane, such as that Frantsila met an unfortunate demise at the hands of muggers while in transit to Finland? We might never know.

[@leisti]

It was six years, but still, a pretty long time to lie dead and undiscovered. The reason he was found was that new legislation made smoke alarms mandatory in all homes, and therefore, as in Vesa's case, a technician had to gain entry to the apartment.

[@andrear.1174]

It's pretty common in Finland for people to not check in on each other they're not close to and to stay to themselves even if they see something wrong. It's pretty sad.

[@rwb_gary6355]

Japan is similar unfortunately

[@Lilybun]

idk sounds kinda great to me if i could disappear for months or even years without anyone noticing. then again i was born in finland so maybe that explains it lol.

[@BuckFidenMD4547]

Nothing wrong with minding your own business.

[@youthoughtaboutit6946]

@@BuckFidenMD4547definitely is when it comes to things like this and/or obvious crime and harm

[@wolfzmusic9706]

​@@BuckFidenMD4547if there's something wrong you should check imo

[@CarolaEugeniaShady]

This is such a weird case! I also find it extremely disheartening that his disappearance went unnoticed for so long. Great video!

[@TheWannabeexpert]

So the last time anyone on the record saw him was in Poland. He did not sound stable and traveling through Poland, Belarus and the Balkans without money sounds hard to do. Cant help to think he died in Poland. Either fooled by criminals or as a homeless man.

[@-xirx-]

Or tried to walk and got lost in the forest and died. Or ate something poisonous while trying to survive in the countryside and body never found due to boars

[@olikane530]

So🎉Sad😢

[@Benkkuful]

Having a drink "without steel" is a Finnish way of saying "without alcohol"

[@SarahDigsHockey]

Thank you.

[@aakkoin]

and "cold nervous" must be "kylmähermoinen", which means being calm, cool, collected in a stressful situation. "Having cold nerves"...

[@thebeasters]

Sounds awful

[@yukiefromoz2573]

Thx, I was wondering what it meant

[@Pippis78]

It could also be translated as "without edge". But yes, he was just drinking a pepsi with no alcohol added.

[@skeptiwolf5654]

I am working my way towards disability retirement and once I get it I would be recieving these payments until I die or become undisabled and get a job. I have what is called a "välitystili" or a transfer account. So the money goes through that. My bills go there directly instead of me. I never have to contact them unless something goes wrong. Any left over money is transferred to my account to use as I wish. If I owned my apartment, if I had no close friends or relatives, if I had no one to check up on me if I went missing, this could happen to me, 100%. I can see how the situation could occur. While this case is incredibly sad and unfortunate but it is realistically something I am not surprised about. I have never heard about it because at the time it happened I was living abroad. Thank you for making a video about it. I will do further research in the Finnish language sources.

[@deadeyedfae]

I Hope your channel will blow up, you cover such intersting mysteries

[@ScabbyGabbyy]

I agree. The voice is soothing and makes it even more interesting.

[@Fightingforms]

I agree definitely deserves way more likes

[@virginiaviola5097]

From what I’ve learnt about Finns, the entire population of Finland could go missing for 15 years, and no one would notice.

[@janemiettinen5176]

Then you havent learned much, possibly not even geography. Putin would notice immediately.

[@virginiaviola5097]

@@janemiettinen5176 True.. but I was speaking in jest. Finns are not known for being the most social of beings on this planet.

[@johnallred9842]

​@@janemiettinen5176 LOL

[@flanderstruck3751]

Too bad the aliens noticed it right away. We could've been a part of the galactic federation by now

[@imlistening1137]

Maybe some European crime sleuths can look through John Does found along his last known route.

[@fwuffy_cloud]

I saw your comment on Barely Sociable's vid and saw some people reply on how they enjoyed your content. I'm genuinely surprised to see that a channel with videos of such quality has such little subs! ^^ You really deserve to blow up. I love listening to "mystery" channels like these while doing chores, drawing, video games etc. and I'm super excited to have a new one to binge. :D

[@Spektator]

Thanks so much, I’ll get there hopefully one day!

[@samppa_j]

Things like this used to happen in Finland. Mistreated people who take law into their own hands, who become recluses, urban legends, something parents warn their kids about. When the system fails someone, it's like they never existed. There's at least one in every town. Just... people living their lives, outside the system. Usually they're harmless.

[@johnnyyen4910]

After watching all your videos i subbed straight away. Love that you cover lesser known cases. Keep doing what you're doing and i'm sure your channel will be huge one day!

[@Spektator]

Thanks a lot, I’ll keep going!

[@onepoundofcheese8356]

Ya, covering lesser known cases is definitely a huge draw for me. Tired of 800 channels doing the same stories over and over again.

[@AntonOlofsson00]

Excellent video as always. Really like that you talk about cases in many different countries like Sweden, UK and now Finland and then actually reach out to people living there even If it sometimes is just how to pronounce stuff, shows you really care!

[@Jettaheizer]

Just found your channel while watching another one (Fascinating Horror) and subscribed right after I saw your first Video. Your videos are very well researched and excellently summarized. Can´t wait for the next one to come!

[@GOBBLESSCORBETTE]

Same!

[@Sage-Thyme]

Also same, I've spent the weekend redecorating the house listening to Fascinating Horror and ran out, fortunately it had a link to this channel.

[@Banksie2009]

Also, the Finnish embassy sees a Finnish citizen in distress and books him a train to Sofia instead of a plane ticket back home? Wtf?

[@SetiSupreme]

Yup, that's so weird. My friend who got mugged in Spain instantly got a plain ticket to Finland from the embassy

[@juliajs1752]

They have to use the cheapest options available, but sending someone over yet another border to catch a flight? Unusual. Though they probably would have talked that through with the client, so who knows who made that decision. Maybe he didn't want to repay a flight from Greece and wanted an even cheaper one?

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

And the passport was stolen and they didn't give him a temporary emergency travel document?

[@siadawn]

I just found you-and wow, am I ever glad that I did!!! 😃 Top-notch everything-from the narration; to the research you've clearly invested so much time into; to the design, style and tone of the video; to the excellent selection and variety of footage and material shown. Not to mention the soundtrack!! :) You have totally *earned* the respect and admiration of this new subscriber! Thank you! 😇💯 Keep up the great work!

[@lemaildoe]

He didn't say he didn't have a guardian at all. He said he didn't have a guardian who can make decisions for him.

[@kspen6110]

I'm wondering if his "guardian" was paid for that position or was supposed to make occasional visits to check on his health and living conditions? Did Vessa have a bank account that the "guardian" had access to? The guardian obviously failed at his responsibilities. And what the heck happened between the brothers? Very sad. I hope Vessa has found peace and happiness wherever he is.

[@janariviik2634]

I'd assume that the guardian was purely a financial one. Normally they'd just deposit a standard sum to their checking account from their savings account (to which the client has no access to) on a weekly basis or so. If they have a larger purchase to make, they'd contact the guardian and ask for money for it. Whilst it may seem strange that he hadn't made a request in 15 years (especially having previously travelled extensively), it is really non of the guardian's concern. He would have assumed that Vesa had just settled down to live a quiet life in peace,

[@skeptiwolf5654]

Usually guardians are family members. I know a few people who have this service. I assume a social worker of some description would be assigned if no relative was available. I have a "transfer account" (välitystili), which is a lighter version of this. All my money goes through this account. The person in charge of this pays my rent and electricity as the bills go there directly. Also because we have nationalized health care all doctors bills go there too. The rest of the money is sent to me to use as I wish. Any other bills I get I either pay from that money or sent to the person in charge to be paid from next month's money. Anyway, what I am getting at is that if a guardianship is handled in a similar fashion when there is no relative available the situation could be similar. The worker would have many clients, they would be mostly making transfers and unless something went wrong they would have no reason to contact the client if care, other than financial, was not needed. Even though he had previously traveled and contacted the guardian for funds this guardian may not remember him out of all the people he worked with and also the worker could have changed as the original one changed jobs or retired. I mean I am not sure exactly how a non-relative guardianship works but I am speculating based on my experience in the present day system.

[@karenbutcher1240]

@@janariviik2634 We have financial guardians "rep-payees" that are responsible for paying bills. They need to do an annual report and have the person sign updates for releases of information 1x/year. This seems like a sad case of no one guarding the guardian.

[@aakkoin]

@@kspen6110 It's Vesa, "vessa" means toilet🙃

[@Replicanna-rl6zg]

​@@aakkoinwhich is hilarious, even a sad case

[@frankboff1260]

Given the man’s circumstances it isn’t difficult to see how and why he drew the conclusions he did about his community and authorities. I think that’s the saddest part of this story, so few seem to understand his point of view from his lived experience. And tossing him a ‘mental illness’ label completely ensures his voice will never be heard nor understood.

[@hollijohnson]

Thank you for speaking up. I absolutely agree, and completely understand.

[@ProgrammerNextDoorTO]

This is the comment i was looking for!

[@SaltyChip]

My uncle ended up in longterm care for psychiatric issues, which in itself was enough of an issue, but he would use drugs like huffing paint and he wasn't able to be trusted by my grandmother (his mom) and his sisters to be living in their house. Especially when he cuaght the basement on fire. It's an extremely difficult scenario to deal with and can be a drain on the entire family. Thankfully the state hosipital was able to take him in. He wasn't a criminal, but he would continue to do criminal things and was always a danger, especially when you didnt know what version he was going to be that day.

[@mpizos]

came from reddit. great work, keep it up!

[@amandanw]

Such a sad story. :( If only someone in his community had treated him with kindness, it could have made all the difference. It's no wonder he didn't trust anyone. This is a nice new channel. I look forward to more of your videos. Thanks. :)

[@fmulder6564]

Did you miss the part where it said he killed his neighbors cats for walking on his property? It's not hard to see why no one liked him. Seems like he would come off as a complete prick.

[@genghis_connie]

@@fmulder6564Fair point. I think he may have been either failed by humans since birth, leaving him twisted; or was twisted from birth. There are also good people who become forgotten people. It’s so deeply sad.

[@janemiettinen5176]

When people are very paranoid, they can be extremely hard to be around, even for family members. You can love someone with all you got, but eventually you need to leave to preserve your own mental health and wellbeing, perhaps even your life. It’s bit more than not trusting people because of valid reasons, but thinking everyone is actively out to get you, sometimes in very imaginative ways, nearing magic and voodoo. Coincidences cant happen, weird connections and evil signs are everywhere, others are secret monsters and only you see them for what they are. Id guess his father was mentally unstable too (since he scared the villagers, something was seriously wrong), Vesa either inherited it (mental illness like schizophrenia, bi-polar) or was just raised to fall in the same rut (personality disorder like extreme narcissism, borderline, anti-social). It still kinda sad story, just in a different way. He wasnt forced in the bubble, he made the bubble himself, never realizing it.

[@nixm9093]

An irrational paranoia person is very hard to deal with and terribly exhausting. I wouldn't be keen to support a paranoid dude who killed my cat.

[@angelosinski]

Amazing work, we need more

[@DylanCam.]

As a fellow Finnish man, I didn't know about this untill I saw this video.

[@Heavy-P]

Certainly kept my interest for the entirety of the video. Great job 👍

[@car8070]

what a great video from an underrated channel. i wish you great success, greetings from finland.

[@vickibrittain477]

I love this channel. I'm watching stories I've never heard of before

[@beckycartel]

2:45 okay, but wtf is *behind* the note on the wall? 😂 is that a painting?! It looks......bubbly....and gorey lol

[@Spektator]

A mystery in itself!

[@boardskins]

That is creepy

[@anthonycava5849]

I've watched three of your videos so far, and they're amazing! thanks.

[@yakacm]

Reminds me a bit of the Joyce Vincent case here in the UK. She basically died from a suspected asthma attack in early December 2003 in her London flat, but wasn't found until 2006, despite having family who lived locally, lots of friends and a job. There's a decent documentary about her case. They reckon she had gone off radar because of an abusive relationship, hence why no one said anything when she disappeared.

[@theoriginalcraig]

Such immensely impressive filmmaking. I'm gobsmacked. Bravo!

[@thankyouverymuch]

The poor guy, for his entire life he suffered as a victim of bullying from everyone around him, including the people whose job was to protect him. I hope every one of those villagers regrets how they treated him!

[@fmulder6564]

He killed his neighbors cats... he was a bully too.

[@sabrinatscha2554]

People don’t just have enemies wherever they go for no reason

[@justin8894]

They do, actually.

[@Godzillaaaaa11]

​@justin8894 well in his case his family made villagers distrust him. It's not his fault his parents were bad neighbors but it's understandable why they didn't like him. Not fair but understandable

[@teenieneenie630]

Excellent work! Keep them coming!

[@spiritmatter1553]

11:32 "jungle knives" which in the Americas are called machetes. Mysterious story, never heard it before.

[@marlbboro8091]

in Hong Kong we call the giant Chinese knifes machete. We use it on meat usually.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

@@marlbboro8091 I always find it impressive how flexible the cooks can be with them.

[@animalswin2105]

I live in a small village, people, who are jealous and mean spirited in general definitely could drive someone isolated to insanity.

[@Mannsy83]

Great work. You have great voice for documentaries

[@lornarettig3215]

Just found your channel - really impressed 🙌🏼 Thanks for all your work!

[@FallenAngel9979]

I subbed to your channel yesterday after the fabulous “What’s the frequency Kenneth?” vid popped up in my feed. Brilliant videos! Cheers fellow U.K. er!

[@Dr.Disturb.]

Fantastic Content

[@u-neekusername4430]

Thank you so much for this VERY well done video. Stories like this should remind people that just because "you deserve love" & "you deserve fair & equal treatment" doesn't mean it happens. So many are treated unjustly, unfairly & w/o love for the entirety of their lives; & often I think that repeatedly hearing that we "deserve" that makes us think we will get it one day. The reverse reaction is pure distrust, so either way you are exposed to vulnerabilities that put you more at risk to even MORE misery. Maybe realism is best, people don't just get what they deserve & no matter where you are there are/can be horrible hateful people, don't expect it to be otherwise & maybe we'll stop assuming it's not our business cuz "someone else must care" or "they'll get what they deserve"...YOU need to make it happen, WE need to make it happen...or it won't, words don't mean SH*TE actions are EVERYTHING! 15yrs not ONE neighbour!?!? Get off your ARSE & stop acting so shocked.

[@0ne01]

Very interesting video. Glad you posted it on Reddit so I could find your channel.

[@Milkjiest]

Thank you for making this video, and pronouncing the names pretty correct! As a finn, I have never heard if this case!

[@bioLarzen]

I like that you are bringing up less well-known cases. I much rather learn about these than watch a thousandth video of the Dyatlov Pass and the Isdal woman... Thanks for bringing these to us! One suggestion: where foreign language is heavily involved in the story - like Finnish here - it is really worth making sure nothing gets lost in translation - like drinking a Coke "without steel" and being "cold nervous" - translated like this, these will sound like we were dealing with an insane person... until you realize these are perfectly fine expressions, just should not be translated literally.

[@iainmalcolm9583]

A strange tale indeed. Thanks for uploading.

[@nisachannel7077]

Awesome documentary. Well done 🎉

[@chrisbuckley1785]

I like the cases you cover. Well, that there not covered a lot. Not the actual cases. Good luck with your channel.

[@centuriontwofivezeroone2794]

Amazing isn't it, he is wronged by his neighbours, his local authorities refuse to act, and when he complains about them he's somehow deemed to be insane and locked up indefinitely without trial, or recourse. Isn't that despicable? As a resident of the so called United Kingdom, I can see the similarities with the current situation here. Thank you for bringing this to us, it was very interesting and sad, I hope this man's spirit is finally at peace. Viewing 15/08/24

[@mjtuomainen]

This case is peak Finland. The shitty neighbors getting an innocent guy in psychiatric detention and him eventually being totally forgotten by his relatives and lost forever.

[@jyripeltola5904]

I'm Finnish and remember a news story about 15 years ago in my home town of vaasa (same place where the guy in the video spent time in a hospital for the criminaly insane, one of my friends in that hospital now btw) that a older women had been found in her home mummified, she has passed about 5years earlier and no one noticed, sad. Also this is a great video, and its always hilarious to me when English speakers try pronouncing Finnish names, in this video some were okay and others just horrendous.

[@Brianfailedgot2keepontruckin]

If this guy had done a thorough job of isolating himself (which he seems to have done), it would make sense no one would notice when he went missing. If it had been years since the guy had kept any regular contact with anyone, there wouldnt be anyone to notice. To be quite honest i have wondered to myself more than once how long it would be before anyone noticed if I went missing........

[@arthas640]

Yeah him going missing isnt too surprising. The more you isolate yourself the fewer people check on you and less often, so if you have virtually zero friends or family and no real work obligations then that doesnt really leave anyone to check on you except the guardian. The way they describe it a guardian sounds like a social worker and they're often A: over worked and B: more reactive then proactive so they tend to react to problems but otherwise they only check in on a set schedule.

[@Brianfailedgot2keepontruckin]

@@arthas640 very well put.

[@stevenmiller2427]

It's not that nobody knew he was missing. Rather, they were happy he wasn't around to cause them any trouble. 😢

[@AuroraBlood]

Your pronounciation is very good. Very well narrated! Kindly, a Finnish person :)

[@shadetreader]

It's less offensively bad than most other YTers 🤷‍♀️

[@francispitts9440]

Well done!

[@ttttc6867]

good job on these videos, you've earned a sub! Although I just have a wee nitpick about the volume of the videos. I found that some are louder and softer than others and I'd have to adjust my volume each time.

[@Spektator]

Thanks, I’ll try and improve the audio levels in future :)

[@applejacks971]

I feel bad for the guy, he just wanted to be left alone and for everyone to do right. He was clearly a bright mind to understand electricity and leave such a coherent letter. I would've gotten along with him rather well.

[@BretuLauk]

A guy who lives on the first floor of my apartment building behaves just like he does. Even leaves notes in some Estonian-Finnish hybrid language ducktaped to his door.

[@eoghanosullivan862]

Your research and videos are really brilliant

[@peterwilson5528]

Finland is like that, There are many people abandoned by the system living alone in filth who have no family. Families in Finland sometimes have relatives they hate. Since people move from regional parts of Finland closer to the capital because of work, they lose touch. One close friend of mine who is now dead had a back injury and was many years trapped in their flat, unable to go out much. They lived in a flat without a lift. The Finnish system just abandoned them. I remember reading about a Finn found in his flat after 7 years of his bills being paid automatically by the bank. I seem to remember them saying the body was kind of mummified. No one had even noticed over all those years. One of the classic suicide methods in Finland is the winter wandering off drinking a bottle of vodka and being found in the spring dead. That I have heard from at least three people that a relative had done that. I think it happens in other Nordic countries because my Norwegian friend told me three of their relatives who live in the far North have taken out their boat and never came back. Being alone in the cold, dark, long Finnish winters when no one cares could send most people mad. Many years ago, when my ex-wife and I were in Estonia with her relatives, her sister had a flat in Tallinn. It was one of those Russian built tower blocks. Each flat shared a small corridor with another flat. There was a bad smell and the housing were told. They wrote to the tenant next door. No answer. We notice the smell get far worse and also that neighbours post box was overflowing down in the entrance hall of the building. In the end in order to get through the corridor you had to cover your face and the smell was terrible. I had smelt death before, and I kept telling them the guy is dead in there. From the ex-wife's sister's balcony, I could see flies on the other flats window. We told them that. No one would listen to us, the Estonian police or the housing they just kept saying they could not go in he might have just gone away. Finally, after maybe 14 weeks, they finally broke the door open and there was a liquified corpse on the mat by the sofa in there. They said he had a heart attack. I think dying alone must be one of the worst things ever. Finland can work out the hot summers it had by the number of drownings because of alcohol. The main reason is often stated to be people drunk in boats standing up to piss in the water being the cause. So far since 2022 to now just over two and a half years 224 people have drowned and there is still five months of 2024 to go.

[@connor3284]

It's like that everywhere. A taxi driver in New Orleans told me a story once about an old man who he had taxi'd home from the hospital. The man could barely walk and had no family. The driver helped him into his home and helped him to sit down in a chair but there wasn't anything else he could do for him when he has his own family to worry about.

[@glowfly]

why say he was anti-authority? he wrote a letter invoking various laws

[@LordMarcus]

Anti-_the authorities_ (people), not anti-_authority_ (rule of law).

[@norsuist]

As a person who has investigated this case for many years i can say with confidence that Frantsila was suffering from some kind of acute mental health breakdown atleast before he went on his vacation. Who knows how he dissapeared... maybe got murdered, maybe wandered to polish woods

[@RawOlympia]

We had a woman here who was found alive but her social worker had never visited and her husband had transferred her to a boat and she was found under a mountain of tin cans, finally, after many years, someone paid attention to the moans. it was in Everett, Wa, early 80s.

[@SparkieGoth]

Reminds me of Joyce Vincent in London. There was also a similar case of a Yugoslavian lady who was locked in her flat and no one went in that property for decades. Not until Yugoslavia was no longer a country.

[@askinperson2839]

He has a healthy outlook on authority from the seem of it

[@MsMesem]

Yes, that is not a negative. He thinks for himself.

[@edaturk7529]

Great video once again! Keep up the excellent work mate 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽🥰 Looking forward to seeing more 🤓

[@boardskins]

Loving your channel!

[@licia2527]

The way he says vesa means ”toilet” in Finnish😭😭

[@garlandstrife]

What’s the correct way to pronounce it?

[@haggeoromero]

One of the strangest persons I’ve ever met was a Finnish man named Odd I met in Costa Rica. He told me that he took a yearly trip, alone, to the wilds of northern Canada. He’d get flown out into the Yukon and hunt for caribou. Later on I spotted him in San José, capital city of Costa Rica . He was standing on a busy street staring intently at my girlfriend who was unaware that he was across the street staring at her. Nice guy, but very weird.

[@beckyf2845]

Love your scandi/norse videos. Hope you post again soon 😢

[@presidentforlife1732]

Finland is neither, Finland is Nordic/Fenno-Scandic.

[@thespaceman4808]

Norways (norse) is part of scandis Finland part of nordics.

[@evdev8419]

Considering he went out of the way to kill harmless animals, its no wonder his neighbours and family wanted nothing to do with him. sounds like a nasty person, clearly nobody cared if he was missing.

[@What-ie5qv]

Great vid👍

[@marlomontanaro3233]

So did anyone investigate why an appointed (I assume by the court) guardian didn't do his job? And why didn't authorities follow up with the guardian at the time to ask status of the person put in his guardianship? Maybe I'm applying US law to Finland, probably not valid.

[@reinadegrillos]

Una historia muy triste, pobre hombre, olvidado de todos.

[@richardshiggins704]

A very interesting case though unfortunately all to common . Poor Vesa was possibly a schizophrenic or at least schizoid in personality with paranoid delusions . The "Guardian" is interesting . One would ask if he really existed in the true sense with defined responsibilities and if so did he benefit in some way from Vesa's social welfare payments in his "absence" . So much for the "happiest country" in the World !

[@Jatzki]

Vilho is not pronounced like it would be in Spanish😅 the h is pronounced like the h in how. Also the l in frantsila is pronounced as a regular l. And j in finnish is pronounced as you would pronounce y. So rajamäki would be more like rayamäki

[@TheMintyMelon]

The hostility and disrespect towards his family by the neighbors growing up - tho’ it was unforgivable that he shot the cats after the fact- is despicable.. Because of that action probably the authorities turned their backs on him and then thats why he became the tormented and paranoid man he was thereafter…. So sad the villagers were so unwelcoming to the family. I think that goes along way to the root of his character.

[@stellapolaris5372]

1944 was not a pleasant time to live on Finland... Horrendous wars affected everyone and everything

[@razzuie]

My great uncle lived in Vaasa and passed away in October of 2021 and no one found his body until June of -22. It’s

[@nco_gets_it]

oh...the guardian absolutely knew the guy was missing as he cashed those sweet government checks every month

[@bethdumont9020]

I'm Australian & Guardian for a son with disability. I CAN'T GET PAID FOR WHAT I DO. My income is a government supplied pension paid to carers if they require more than 20 hours/care per week. We can study or work part-time. Once we earn over a certain amount, however; our pensions do get docked. Not all countries are like the US & not all those under Guardianship are Britney Spears - whose father was taking $10,000/month to manage her affairs, & was allowed to do so under California law governing Conservatorship.

[@sennituominen4425]

They don't get paid for it, nor do they get straight access to the ill persons bank account :)

[@bethdumont9020]

@sennituominen4425 I'm one of those Guardians. I live in Australia, so things may be different in your country. 1) I DON'T draw a salary for doing this role. I receive a government pension for being a carer. This pension is a) pegged to the Henderson Poverty Line & b) regularly indexed - twice yearly - with CPI. 2) I DO have access to ALL my son's bank accounts. I have all his bills set up as regular direct debits and provide him with money on an as needs basis via electronic transfer between accounts. Technically there's nothing to stop me from draining his accounts. 3) Except I'd get caught & tired for theft. I have to report regularly to the Tribunal that appointed me, which involves supplying bank statements. They'd see it. This is the Australian system. If I'm not doing this role, government is. And for financial management - government charges. If you can afford it - like a wounded bull. Personal decisions, including health care - they don't charge. But they work 9-5, Mon-Fri, whereas I'm available 24/7 - mainly because the co-Aministrator/Guardian currently lives over 1800 klm away from us.

[@same5952]

@@bethdumont9020 Britney's father was a thief who financed his lifestyle by basically stealing from his daughter, and not a guardian in true sense of this word. He was an exception rather than a rule in the U.S.

[@SirDerp909]

If the Finnish guardianship program works anything like assisted treatment programs in the 'States, I'm not too surprised that he could vanish this way. Also, great channel!

[@sigridurlennartsdottir4416]

He may not have been mentally ill. Finns can be extremely quirky, spiteful and hardheaded, especially if they are crossed or treated poorly. The weird behavior pointed out after the robbery in Tanzania is probably just translation errors. Cold nervous would be akin to keeping his feelings “on ice”, to not show fear or let emotions take over. And as others also have said, “without steel” just means without alcohol. He was basically put in an insane asylum for taking the harassment from the village to court. That is a great injustice, there is no connection between taking anyone to court and becoming locked up like that. Someone had too much power and wielded it unjustly. Though shooting the neighbors cats is definitely not a way to improve the neighborly spirit between them.

[@coloradoing9172]

Right. Finland doesn't have a jury system, and clearly these court records have not been made public, so it's impossible to tell what kind of litigation he was bringing against his local government.

[@BrokenAbyss]

How long have you been creating documentaries? I was told to ask people with similar style and size channels to collab because it’ll help our channels grow.

[@abhaysingh06]

You did a great job. Reddit is awesome. You are awesome. 👍

[@Ziorac]

Regarding his guardian, I imagine with Vesa's resentment towards authority he was absolutely unwilling to cooperate with this guardian and the guardian then just gave up. He might've officially been their charge, but if he refuses to even answer his phone or door, it's impossible to check on him. And being used to being ignored for years, they assumed Vesa was fine, so never called the police.

[@emilypound]

Wow. This guy was way ahead of his time. Knew about free energy and how corrupt the legal system is. Society brands anyone who goes against the grain as mad. RIP

[@heikkiaho6605]

pleeease we have to help these people. we can't just keep on saying that "someone's gone mad" or smth, it only further alienates people. I also honestly think that many psychological diagnoses can be as hurtful as calling them "crazy", and they often don't get to the root cause. If someone is "schizophrenic", there's usually some kind of story behind that (like in the case of Vesa). Something along the lines of: a series of unfortunate events combined with false beliefs that went unnoticed and unchanged. And who TF thought locking people up in institutions is helping anyone?! I guess they're out sight and mind then... In the case of Vesa, if he's paranoid and disoriented, and they just let him leave the embassy on his own? i dont think he found his way home :( i just wish someone had said "don't worry" or "i care for you" or "you're important"

[@Sage-Thyme]

This is such a sad story, the poor man grew up in a community who hated him and with mental health problems that rather than treated were abused. Not to mention a fair share of bad luck, no wonder he just disappeared, must be easy when people are already trying to ignore you.

[@kalamansikka]

I’m Finnish and I was born 2 weeks after he was last seen, I wonder if he died before I was born or if he’s still out there but has been missing as long as I’ve lived

[@Juustovastaava]

Ehkä olet hänen uusi sielu🧐

[@theavandenberg6876]

what an incredibly weird story

[@essipaulamaki4094]

Interesting case, never heard this one before. Thanks for pickibg it up! Paranoidi seems to be the most damaging issue for him, maybe he was an easy attack abroad. He represents of those Finnisg who never wish to socialize as people are untrustful and hard to understand. 😢

[@Kroggnagch]

Wow. I cant help but feel like this dude was hugely let down by those whom were literally in place to assist him. Sure, it IS impossible to keep 24/7 tabs on someone who isnt very cooperative, but this gentleman was obviously very mentally ill. I hope, wherever he is, alive or otherwise, i hope he is at peace. I hope above all he is at peace. Man...

[@salis-salis]

I asked someone I know who is from Finland if she knew who Vesa Matti Frantsila is/was. She did not. (I don't know whether she ever knew, so can't say if she forgot, but still...)

[@SatumainenOlento]

That "guardianship" might been just short term. Somebody signs the papers for it so that he can get out of the mental hospital. And then, he gets better mentally and the guardianship is over by the time rest of the story happens. Pretty sure that Vesa did learn to hide any problems with his mental health after that visit to the mental hospital! It sounds that he had very bad experience of it. Also, police and other goverment officials are pretty good in Finland. So his complains might been totally without any reason due to his mental health problems. I know a person who is mentally very unwell at the moment is making unbased complainst and claims about goverment officials. It seems to be a habit to those who are a little paranoid.

[@Baaaaaaamessss]

So what was the deal with all the speakers and weird electronics

[@MsMesem]

Yes, need more info on that.

[@jfwal3027]

But they all got paid for looking after him !! Like the guy said corrupt politicians and police !

[@Bee-ly4gx]

What a fascinating but sad tale.

[@same5952]

What a depressing story!

[@sdaanviaegle]

Everyday people like this seem less crazy