The Many Issues With TDS Hardcore... (And How to Fix Them)

[@Nedward0]

By the way, I have a speedrun competition ending 8 hours as of typing this. If you are quick you might still be able to take part! kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYKUnp6Gr9CooKM

[@DiscountedMilk]

I think I’ll take part

[@DiscountedMilk]

If I have time

[@MarcelPerkowski]

Hmmmmm

[@propellars]

really cool video man, i propose we fix the hardcore problem by DELETING THE GAMEMODE FOREVER AHAHAHAA

[@Nedward0]

The solution was there all along... Also thank you so much, my tds videos were mainly inspired by you so this means a lot to me :)

[@lavnsma]

dang both of you are my favorite youtubers, i remember watching nedwardos piggy videos

[@Nedward0]

@@lavnsma damn you are an OG! 👑

[@Jenaispasdinspi]

pripellars comment with only 1 like?! Bro fell off

[@bat_rblx3916]

@@lavnsma what a chad fan

[@generallyupsetfetus]

Funny thing is, TDX's Endless mode proved that games can be long AND heavily rewarding AND fun AND incredibly difficult. I'm sure that even with the current design philosophy of Hardcore, the TDS devs could fairly easily make the mode better. Sadly, it's simply a relic of the hardcore update (for now), and is largely outdated- so of course it's the weakest part of TDS as it stands. But even the TDS devs have done this before themselves. Many events before Hardcore and after take maybe about 40-50ish minutes to realistically complete (Nuclear, Winter 2021, etc) and were/are at least challenging. Hardcore, I believe, is a product of the rushed development hell of 2019-2020 TDS went through.

[@imincent1767]

Tdx 🤢🤢🤢

[@Shereen3]

I second that. The TDX endless mode update was actually so fun despite its length. They definitely had a step in the right direction in the game. It kind of revived it too.

[@AFnECRtDFtdd]

@@imincent1767 they’re literally just mentioning and talking about TDX lol why r u attacking it

[@normalguy4166]

Pretty sure tds tried this back then but im not sure why they removed it

[@TheCaptainBirbus]

​@@AFnECRtDFtddcuz its mid

[@Thatoneguy15547]

I'm not even kidding, I spent over 30 minutes looking for crossroads and even when I did get it these damned griefers that would get in a elevator, leave, then rejoin to do it over again... Hardcore has so many issues

[@yesiplayrhythmdocter7814]

Small or private servers

[@Thatoneguy15547]

I don't have the robux to buy a private server and It's kinda ever server I joined idk if I'm that bad

[@bt_gaming2828]

Dude, it's so real. Although I have a private server, I still had to wait for like 20 minutes to find Crossroad. 💀

[@anisnoor-t8n]

I can relate.

[@ChilliumMan]

Just dont do crossroads, do wrecked or cyber, or just any other map, challenge yourself instead of sticking to the same lame strat each time

[@Cat_png23]

No.1 reason Its so outdated ,the hardcore enemies are very outdated and dont match with the new meta of the game

[@louiserathmill3472]

If we Think About it, Hardcore is Really old came out back in 2020, and hasn’t been updated (Apart from maps) and maybe bug fixes. 1. They are planing to add Match making for hardcore (i think) 2. They might be revamping this mode. Just like what they did to normal. So maybe we can expect hardcore to actually be good, it’s a pain we’re there is no match making.

[@bluenightrblx]

They have a reason they don't want to add matchmaking. I just don't remember it. And for the rework. That'll probably be late 2024 or Mid - Later 2025.

[@dibs6462]

@@bluenightrblx why not?? would HEAVILY improve hardcore plays

[@LordEcho7]

​​@@dibs6462they need revamp fallen molten first before hardcore

[@JuliRocket]

@@bluenightrblx and what was this “reason” you speak of? It’s added now so what was it?

[@bluenightrblx]

@JuliRocket I think it was because the mode was old. I can't confirm so you'll likely have to do some snooping.

[@darkery-benedictanimations268]

I found this video recently, it surprisingly and accurately addresses the issues with Hardcore with a more formal but still fun-to-watch take instead of the usual quick explanations that most new TDS Content Creators do, I see great potential, and I'll look forward to what issues you'll address next and great video dude!

[@Nedward0]

Sorry bro I've decided to become wikiacolors now I'm gonna yap with text for 8 mins every video 🗣️🗣️🗣️ (Thank you so much!)

[@darkery-benedictanimations268]

@@Nedward0 Heh, you're welcome.

[@ABlueishNoob8149]

​@@darkery-benedictanimations268the animation lord is here

[@Unknown_user2906]

The devs will rework every gamemode, hardcore it's not the exception of that, in a point of this year we can play (maybe) a hardcore rework with new enemies and redesigns of the bosses.

[@unoriginal_observer]

I'd rather sh** broken glass than grind TDS Hardcore mode. The SINGLE BEST thing to ever happen to it was the Match Restarting thingy making it faster to get gems, and that's currently bugged and the devs still HAVEN'T FIXED IT YET. In fact, they patched a Pizza Party coin grinding strat rather than AN ACTUAL BUG. Also I totally agree with these changes. One change to make dealing with lead balloons easier is honestly just giving gold mini flying detection (it has lead detection at level 3, so it'll make it useful instead of being a useless gold skin.)

[@Aintnoway909]

Yea they should add gold mini a flying detection because he was LITERALLY USING A MOUNTED MINIGUNS THAT CAN BE LIFTED ON ABOVE

[@goldenrichard9313]

If they’re adding matchmaking for Hardcore, the design of the Voting Lobby should be something similar to 2020 Overhaul Hardcore Lobby.

[@swampman5986]

Honestly the thing that gripes me with hardcore is that unlike any other mode in the game hardcore REQUIRES a strategy to beat or atleast make decent gems, i know strategies are used for other modes like nuclear wastelands but in those you can still bring a fair variety of towers at random, hardcore requires you to bring the same damn towers and pull up that stupid strat document and its not that hardcore is actually hard its just difficulty spikes and a crapload of bonus effects on zombies, you dont feel challenged just bored and angry

[@Hyperlaser_Merc]

I only played it to get accel (Hardcore update) and I hated it. It was insanly boring, frustrating and unenjoyable, after I got to 2000 Gems i was completely sick of it and just bought Gems. It got better but it still sucks. After some years i played it again to grind Necromencer and then Engineer, until the Commander Rework. It made it very difficult and made me unable to grind for Brawler and Engineer. I liked the rework of Commander, but i hated the consequenses of it on hardcore. Also I suck at Hardcore stratless since of the lack of experience, because of the reason named on top. When you need to use a strat doc to have the fastest way to grind, it shows that it isnt good. Golden crates are fine since its rather passive.

[@pigeonflame9885]

It does not you’re just bad. I’ve duo’ed it with a friend stratless and have beaten it trio stratless.

[@serily4524]

If you are experienced in the game u wont need strats, but the loadouts are the same​@@pigeonflame9885

[@bryanmaradona9531]

Okay, this video REALLY makes the concept of hardcore better, but... I need to say, they should make the bosses(molten boss, fallen king, grave digger) different. For example, magmarouz Boss(Molten boss but stronger)

[@Nedward0]

that could be cool. Then again, since Hardcore is meant to be the "final boss of tds", from a narrative perspective it kind of feels fitting to have all the past enemies fight the players before confronting the void reaver.

[@bryanmaradona9531]

@@Nedward0 🤯

[@CollectorBlox]

For hardcore mode, one thing I hate is that there are too little elevators and it's hard to find the map we want. If somehow we can pick which map we want just like normal matches in hardcore mode it would be better! And they gotta fix the restart button like its so annoying how it shows but it doesn't work. And when I just did my first hardcore triumph that I just uploaded I didn't get my gems 😭

[@taufikrigo]

They already fixed it (the restart button)

[@CollectorBlox]

@@taufikrigo it still doesnt work for me

[@CollectorBlox]

@@taufikrigo o wait now it works thanks cause yesterday it didnt

[@endportex]

Someone definitely needed to talk about this, great vid!

[@doreamon2i]

No way no one noticed you lol

[@womps17]

i won hardcore but a circuit didnt despawn and made us lose at the last second

[@MarcelPerkowski]

Hardcore is so boring

[@yesiplayrhythmdocter7814]

That's because you can only play with a strat due to your skill issue

[@cheezburger4836]

​@@yesiplayrhythmdocter7814 Strats are annoying especially with documents if you are a mobile player

[@DarkEngineer90]

Wave 26 - 49 are most boring part

[@broxiner]

I use my own strategy so it's fun in my opinion

[@happyfaced206]

After you pass wave 25, yeah it gets boring

[@bat_rblx3916]

0:32 very tds

[@ZombieRush22579]

I feel like the 50 waves gives it that extra 'Oh shit, there's more?' vibe to it. But everything else is justified (I literally don't play it anymore cuz it takes me 30 mins to find skilled players to hop in with me)

[@GTLoperPLC]

Instead of getting a HC rebalance/rework, we instead get a brand new gamemode because of the community.

[@YaBoyCarlz]

I don't like the tds player fanbase, its mostly kids tbh

[@WinteriaV4]

This comment aged well didn't it?

[@ΙΩΑΝΝΗΣΣΚΑΡΛΑΤΟΣ-θ3ν]

Solo hardcore needs to be easier to solo and should be more rewarding Also here is some stuff to change for solo hardcore: 1) have the ability to use only 1 consumable 2) have the ability to get a 6th tower slot in hardcore(but its only anvailable if u won hardcore before). 3) Increase wave cash and decrease the costs for towers by a VERY short amount 4)Decrease the amount of enemies on spectacular waves(f.e. less ballons on wave) 5) Make leads at least take a little bit of dmg even of the towers dont have lead detection 6) NERF THE SPEED OF THE SLOW KING LIKE BRO HE ISNT EVEN SLOW 7) Decrease the amount of shield that is put into enemies 8) Limit the amount of souls that void reaver can summon to just 8 souls 9) Nerf the speed of Void reavers 3rd rush form 10) more......gems......

[@filippohl9097]

Fallen sword man has code so old he BREAKS. Fallen King for some reason cant do anything else besides spinning.... Gravedigger is fine he works well. Molten boss dies too fast for me to notice if hes broken. Vindicators never break and Fallen titans work fine exept the shield ability.

[@AYfunnygame]

You make Good quality content for 1k subs. You're so underrated bro. Im subbed 🔥🔥

[@Nedward0]

Thank you!!

[@arcitatious]

Apart from the crate idea this video is spot on. An idea I always had was to have former event towers be paid with gems as locking gameplay behind FOMO bs and paywalls is very anti-consumer. People who have the tower achievement can maybe get an exclusive skin for the time they put in.

[@arcitatious]

I may also add that addings more maps wouldn't do to much as 90% of them are difficulty sliders instead of gameplay changers and the 10% that are unique are too difficult and are 2/3 of the special modes

[@az-bs9yg]

Agree with most of the points. But to be fair the right way to top it all off would be leaning more into concept of "enemies having unique gimmicks that you have to find a way around ( for example something that can comepltely shut down your avarage "just spam more accels" strat )" type of hard rather than making them bullet sponges. We might already have lead and float traits that fit the concept to some extent, but they are insignificant to the point where you just forget about them (except maybe for lead balloon combo). As a nice bonus by making hardcore an actual challenge that requires more planning and MAYBE mechanical skill to prevent you from just cheesing it with a strat, you can make it award accelerator (or maybe even an engineer or some other gem towers if you add a way to justify such rewards) to solve issue with ungodly amounts of hardcore grinding. But since it would require to pretty much rework hardcore completely and would drop robux revenue by at best 80%, that wont happen 😄.

[@GoldScoutTDS]

Hardcore got matchmaking, which there’s that problem out of the way. Waves 45-50 are all hard. I died to wave 46 once. Wave 10 is different, and makes people lose sometimes too. Hefties kill me sometimes because of their defense. Abnormals and quicks make you feel confident, and it’s still hard because of the money up 50%. Balloons need fly detection, which people die on alot. Leads have a special detection which people might not be ready for, Lead bosses are annoying too because they get faster and will end you if you don’t have enough dps, Breakers are annoying too, because of their hp. Mega slow is already hard, like you said. Fallen reaper spawns harder enemies later on, which makes your defense target other things. Shadow boss is preparing you for the 3 later on. Grave digger is a push sometimes, also ending runs. Fallen titan is a tank. And stuns too. Lavas heal, which is bad if you have your dps in Lead balloons have two immunities. Yeah there’s more I forget

[@KeycardTheEdgyEditor]

If anythjng hardcore is too easy with the new reworked modes so here’s a hardcore rework i have (not gonna put abilities): Waves: 100 Modifiers: Mutation, HP Locked (50 max hp), enemies beta, super mod (this mod adds a random attribte to each enemy per wave, such as nimble bloated health regen and tank) Max players: 4 Tower limits 80 (solo) 40 (duo) 30 (trio/quad) Wave 1: Abnormal HP: 10 Speed: Above Average Wave 2: Quick Speed: Very Fast HP: 14 Wave 5: Hefty HP: 250 Speed: Above Average Wave 7: Fallen Soul HP: 125 Speed: Fast Attributes: Hidden Ghost Wave 10: Seraph HP: 75 Speed: Fast Attributes: Flying Wave 11: Armored HP: 600 Speed: Slow Attributes: Lead Wave 15: Armored Squire HP: 2500 Speed: Slow Attributes: Aggro, Lead Wave 16: Breaker HP: 90 Speed: Fast Wave 19: Enraged Giant HP: 7500 Speed: Average Defense: 30% Attributes: Bloated Wave 22: Void Reaper HP: 4000 Speed: Average Wave 25: Grave Digger HP: 30000 Attributes: No burn, stun, and freeze Speed: Slow Wave 27: Fallen Summoner HP: 25000 Speed: Average Attributes: Ghost Hidden Wave 30: Fallen Rusher HP: 2000 Speed: Swift Defense: 60% Attributes: Nimble Wave 32: Armored Honor Guard HP: 40000 Defense: 40% Attributes: No poison, stun, freeze, and burn Speed: Below Average, Aggro (variable) Wave 33: Breaker HP: 250 Speed: Average Defense: 40% Wave 37: Fallen Tank HP: 9000, 1000 (tank) Defense: 60% Attributes: Tank (variable) Speed: Slightly Fast Wave 39: Magma HP: 7000 Speed: Slow Attributes: Health Regen Magma Titan HP: 20000 Speed: Slow Attributes: No burn, Health Regen Wave 40: Molten Boss HP: 100000 Attributes: No poison, stun, freeze, and burn Speed: Slow Wave 41: Failed Experiment HP: 25000 Defense: 55% Speed: Slow Attributes: Bloated, Health Regen Wave 43: Ghoul Speed: Fast HP: 5000 Attributes: Health regen Wave 45: Patient Zero HP: 250000 Speed: Slow Attributes: No stun burn freeze or poison Wave 47: Fallen Honor Guard HP: 200000 Speed: Very Slow Wave 48: Fallen Hero HP: 10000 Speed: Above Average Attributes: no stun Fallen Guardian: 75000 Speed: Slow Attributes: Bloated (variable) Fallen Jester HP: 5900 Speed: Average Attributes: Tank Wave 50: Fallen King HP: 450000 Speed: Very Slow Attributes: No stun freeze poison snd burn Wave 55: Awakened Honor Guard HP: 700000 Speed: Extremely Slow Attributes: Health Regen Wave 60: Awakened Fallen King HP: 1250000 Speed: Extremely Slow Attributes: Health Regen, no stun burn poison and freeze Wave 65: Minigunner HP: 50000 Speed: Slow Defense: 30% Wave 70: Wox the Fox HP: 900000 Speed: Slow Attributes: No stun poison freeze and burn Wave 75: Cavalry HP: 100000 Speed: Below Average Attributes: no burn Wave 80: Gunslinger HP: 1500000 Speed: Vrry Slow Attributes: no burn poison freeze and stun Wave 83: Amalgamation HP: 25000 Speed: Average Wave 85: Abomination HP: 45000 Speed: fast Defense: 10% Wave 88: Nuclear Guardian HP: 250000 Defense: 20% Attributes: no poison Speed: Very Slow Wave 90: Nuclear Monster HP: 3000000 Speed: Extremely Slow Attributes: no poison stun freeze and burn Wave 91: Soul Stealer HP: 70000 Speed: Slow Wave 95: Unknown HP: 30000 Speed: Average Wave 97: Vindicator HP: 60000 Speed: Below Average Defense: 100% Attributes: Bloated (variable) Wave 99: [NULL] HP: 500000 Defense: 50% Speed: Immobile Ability: [NULL] creates at blackhole that consumes every tower in a 30 tile radius Wave 100: Void Reaver HP: 5000000 Speed: Unfathomably Slow, Very Fast (deathwish) Attributes: no stun poison freeze pr burn, health regen (last 100k hp) Rewards: 5000 gems, 2000 XP, 1-5x nukes, 10000 coins Pls like or pin this it took me so long to make this

[@togeluga_the_cat]

3:47 lets be honest here, nobuddy is going to use either archer or sniper, electroschoker is not realy commonly used at all, and necromancer has to relly on either there allready being an executioner skeleton down the straight line of cross roads or you have to time the ability and pray to god the gravestone explosions hit the lead ballons (honestly necromancer should have lead detection, i see no reason why it shouldnt have it)

[@The_Productive]

This is seriously a good idea hopefully below sees this and fix hardcore but the 50 waves will need to be keep

[@JacobTheBlueLobster]

Hardcore needs the elevators gone, like if im trying to do luccile strat I DONT WANT TO WASTER 30 DAMN MINUTES TO GET CROSSROADS OR GETTING CYBERCITY FOR CYBERSPAM STRAT. Also hc should be longer.

[@Diamondfromchina]

Honestly I think they should add more elevators so then it makes it have more chances (I think I’m dead)

[@Blank8767]

Honestly, the increase in the price of things takes away from the fun. I would highly prefer if the enemies getting stronger over me getting weaker,

[@bruhmeme3959]

W tuber remembered when u used to make piggy maps. Raking in dough now

[@Nedward0]

OG legend 🙏🙏 I have made £5 currently 🤑

[@bruhmeme3959]

@@Nedward0 yes sirr

[@bruhmeme3959]

You earned that 500 Robux

[@theluckiestllama5750]

TDX Endless is a far better endgame in my opinion. You can make it fairly far into the gamemode stratless, but not Hardcore. Hardcore you basically need a strat. One mild error just gets you killed in Hardcore.

[@littletitanicmaster-2622]

thing was when hardcore released it checked off most of these while also being fun and hard 2 years later its impossible 1 year later the average tds devs nowadays always making everything incredibly easy and overpowered

[@bluenightrblx]

???

[@OakLastName]

i think the complaint about tower choice is kinda weird , cuz theres a lot of variety in what you can pick (especially if youre trying to solo hardcore) but i think mooost of the other complaints are fair . especially the gems being useless thing cuz when you help 2 of ur friends get accel at different times it starts to get a little annoying not doing anything with them

[@Epikcoolguy]

Hardcore has more waves. Speedy comes out on wave 4 while fallen has less waves and a speedy comes out of wave 5 Also what he said on 4:55 would be game changing. Using your leftover gems to buy different cool skins.

[@taufikrigo]

I don't think they'll ever touch hardcore ever again, because they never update the hardcore since the entity update. Also hardcore is nostalgic because most of the enemy is from 2020/2021, why do they never updated the enemy but instead make a new matchmaking? I don't know.

[@Someone-ru9uw]

1:08 imagine how hard it would be to find cross on all 50+. Hopefully they don't add all of the maps, or at least let you choose a map

[@rrounderr]

Nice video! Very informative, keep up the good work! ❤

[@Nedward0]

🙏🙏🙏

[@muris8126]

0:47 Hold up for an damn min- *flashback old hardcore lobby* yep def add it back-

[@rickluk-gaming301]

The main issue is 5ouls, Crazrex and danksplatter soloing it too many times...

[@dylhansime9582]

Cry about

[@superrandom7790]

Womp womp

[@Croissant..61]

why would that be an issue🤦‍♂️

[@dhien2103]

why

[@JuliRocket]

Guys it’s a joke obv.

[@pardner8919]

There's one thing I think hardcore needs too. A PLAYERBASE WILLING TO HELP PEOPLE GO THROUGH THE MODE *WITHOUT* THE HARDCORE TOWERS SO THEY CAN UNLOCK THEM.

[@Nedward0]

Isn't that just Lucille?

[@Artalyst]

lucille or trio miners 5.0

[@wooperO0]

honestly, this is fire, great editing, only thing to make it better is the mic quality, it peaks alot either way, good job :3

[@Imsok._.]

They actually added matchmaking and allat other stuff especially the first 1:50 mins

[@sherlockhomelesswastaken]

hardcore would be so bad if they added even more maps cause u cant even get the map u want in public lobbies

[@Hexzem001]

Hardcore just sucks I cant even get past wave 25 plus the goddam griefers that will just join the elevator so u cant join. I hope that they make hardcore fun, less grinding, gets more gems

[@OMGREALDUMMYFROMDVN]

with the power ups update (useless for hardcore, made it worse actually), sniper is for some reason NO LONGER ABLE TO HIT LEADS ON ANY LEVELS. It's so dumb ngl.

[@mikaelplayz]

The lead cause of most problems of hardcore : hardcore is updated only a few times and there is even an enemy from 2020 which havent been touched lol

[@okgoose3305]

they should make the boss waves harder, like gravedigger is a piece of cake molten boss is even easier and fallen swordmaster is nothing, fallen king is the only decently hard one

[@932ai]

0:55 they can use old hardcore testing lobby theme

[@Sashin-d8t]

I dunno if they added war machine in its current state I don’t think anyone would complain. It’s not like it’s too op cause it only gives a 20 percentage buff and it would give people something to grind for

[@hermythecrazy565]

Now there are bug when you beat hc sometimes you don’t even get ur gems

[@chiakigacha9282]

Fun fact: phantom crate was originally going to be a gemme crate, but they switched to a robux crate

[@Nedward0]

No shot. I was going to suggest making the phantom crate a gem crate in the video but scrapped it😭

[@chiakigacha9282]

@@Nedward0 lol, that would had be nice tho

[@HandManGames]

The first thing aged quickly

[@1nn0v]

I think theres only a few maps in hardcore because the developers dont want solo hardcore to be possible on almost every map. For example, fungi island used to be in the map rotation but got deleted just by looking at how many people soloed hardcore on it. The issue with gems is definetly reasonable, after getting engineer and accelerator, gems have no use. Ive seen people with 20k gems, 50k, even some with 100k. If there was a special gem crate, that would be pretty cool

[@Aquatic25]

You could get consumables with gems so you actually always have a reason to get them instead of buying one time skins

[@ReBrandedd]

underrated asf youtuber, stay small i wanna be noticed in the comments-

[@Nedward0]

I'm going to ignore this comment for that cheeky Oh wait too late

[@ryanbahrami]

Hardcore does need work, BUT KEEP THE 50 WAVES OR MAKE IT 60 IT NEEDS TO BE HARDER!!

[@felixalger9301]

Holy shit massive insane W good job mate

[@Elfersoy1445]

peak xbox microphone,great video btw

[@DiscountedMilk]

Hi, I agree hardcore really need matchmaking it would really make it more simple to beat it and grind

[@ArbiterJ]

The on,y problem I have with hardcore is it having only 2 elevators. It took me 20 minutes for me to get the cross roads map. If they make a separate area with multiple elevators for hardcore then it’s all good

[@Sashin-d8t]

Getting the map y want is harder than actually beating hc

[@ArbiterJ]

@@Sashin-d8t ye 🤣

[@sillyramenW]

They actually added the hardcore statue lmao

[@Nedward0]

I know I'm so smart

[@sillyramenW]

@@Nedward0 W

[@kopereacts]

matchmaking can help alot cuz 1 to get good teamate 2 less time consuming to get good teamates

[@Nedward0]

Yeah that was a point I was going to make originally was that it's near impossible to find a good random team as you gotta beg people in the lobby lol

[@slaoqeubotoaq]

I think the main problem with Hardcore is that how boring the grinding is, like, the towers are expensive which is understandable beacuse Accelerator and Engineer are op, but if you don't grind them with triumphs the grind is extremely boring, mostly for Accel cuz 99% of the time to triumph hardcore you probably need him. Brawler and Necromancer in my opinion are a little overpriced, mostly Necro, but they will be fine to grind as long it's a Triumph grind. But the grind of Triumph gets boring at Engineer, so there is no way to fix tha besides a nerf in engi's price Plus the early game in hardcore sucks, you basically need Ace Pilot, and sometimes Ace doesn't even work well, this tower needs a buff With the grind for towers hardcore gets boring easily, I mean, I don't want to get the towers by playing one match and be the easiest thing ever and everything being sunshine and rainbows, but I don't want to play the same gamemode over and over and over for only 1 tower and be bored at playing the game instead of having fun, as long as they make the gamemode more entertaining and somehow manage to actually make a fun grind I'm all for it, beacuse the same thing 1000x times for a total of x gems to finally get 1 single op tower is boring as hell, the expensive towers isn't a problem if the gamemode and grind is actually fun, bur it isn't

[@kar800000]

if hc matchmaking existed what would ever be the point of a private server

[@Nedward0]

There was never really a point once they made playing solo free. They are only useful for playing with people on the discord server now

[@thedeepseacat]

for me the current hardcore may have a lot of problem but it certainly is fun (for me and my friends at least) especially because the gameplay is longer and more chaotic than fallen mode and the other

[@gufenya]

Honestly, I think that they either have to rework Hardcore & add matchmaking, or replace it with an Endless (Yes, like TDX) It would be fair enough to compare those, and I'll just say that Endless is far more enjoyable and rewarding For now though, all I can say is that Hardcore is insanely difficult, and there is nothing more to it ;-; (but I guess hardcore being a complete pain is implied within its own name, soo..)

[@timelineencrypted1992]

Commander Support Caravan ability spawns a unit with all detections that shreds through lead balooms

[@hanszdhakwanrayyanbinsuphi260]

Hardcore big skill issue but i can still go to wave 48 without my friends and worst part is fallen king is fast enough and stun abuser. The requires to beat harecore with duo like Jester, Accelerator, Engineer, Pursuit, Golden minigunner and Mercenary base for support damages. Jester is for confuse for Void Reaver. Golden Minigunner, Accelerator, Engineer and Pursuit for dps and you use default minigunner but it will lack of dps. Forgot to say really need ranger for the high damage

[@gamedummy6614]

The new unknown upcoming tower better be unlockable with gems...

[@GoLden-567]

Yeah cause it’s 4 years outdated, devs say they dont want to work on it for some reason, and they would replace it with a diffrent type of mode entirely if they wanted to change it. (Likely wont happen till after 2.0)

[@dylhansime9582]

Because people choose new gamemode instead rework molten, fallen and hardcore dumbass

[@NoxFlex]

Kinda sad for Hardcore how Endless mode in TDX came in and did Hardcore's job of being a hard game mode better

[@dylhansime9582]

Endless is infinite wave dumbass not hardcore

[@dylhansime9582]

Is endless mode supposed hard is infinity dumbass

[@dylhansime9582]

Is infinity mode dumbass

[@dylhansime9582]

Because is Infinity mode you blind

[@Arthurauthor]

​@@dylhansime9582infinity dumbass infinity stone thanos dumbass

[@GoldScoutTDS]

0:26 it got it! 1:50 that would make it easier, and remove a lot of the challenge.

[@vanillajellyfish]

i heard that belownatural is considering deleting hardcore mode.

[@Nedward0]

Definitley a bad idea, it just needs reworking

[@vanillajellyfish]

@@Nedward0 i agree but it just shows how bad the mode is

[@ourwtj]

people who remember hardcore used to be played with blox maps and mecha base : 🗿🍷🍷

[@pokade3659]

tbh it baffles me how bad the tds devs are at making the game enjoyable

[@vidislime09]

Now we need issue for polluted wasteland

[@uhhno841]

they wont fix hardcore, its their easiest excuse to make a pay to win system

[@Nedward0]

A rework is coming at the end of the year lol

[@VaultyValve]

Another problen was new player on hardcore never trust a lv300 host who want to do stratless, they're relying in Lucille nowadays

[@reversedllfe]

They could make it so that you can continue going through another 10 waves to reach wave 50 for a boost in the gem/coin reward u get

[@daegggamin]

I think they should balance hardcore like btd6 does with free play gradually making it harder and ofcourse having more unique stuff yeah

[@daegggamin]

Btw you quit piggy?

[@Nedward0]

@@daegggamin ye I didn't want to keep making content on an abandoned game

[@daegggamin]

I get it piggy ended and i got tio now btw i was a friend of urs

[@TherealJ404]

My take: no stomp (stomp is lame) in boss battles you have to fight by yourself (+some) late enemies can kill towers at final wave is a bullet hell before fighting void reaver, keep dodge! you and other players have 3 life

[@Sashin-d8t]

I dunno maybe if only crossroads spawn so u maybe don’t have to wait 10 minutes to get into the match, and maybe they could fix the restart button cause I don’t get it. The literally tax u 30 gems for winning for no reason just cause they could

[@larscarstensen3102]

you said hardcore is too easy, because of the lack of difficulty spikes, but you also said it’s too hard because only a few towers can hit lead balloons. Which is it?

[@SonicWho1836]

Both

[@larscarstensen3102]

dude, if it’s too easy and too hard then it’s balanced

[@piotrm5635]

its not hard becouse of led baloons, he said that its boring becouse you are forced to bring specific towers, so you can't experiment with your loadut

[@unknownguy-c3c]

hardcore was the most intense mode i ever played

[@Flem_Volcanic]

This aged well

[@Nedward0]

nah cuh i predicted it that's a good thing!! also there are lots of issues to be fixed still (hopefully the hc rework will fix all that)

[@Flem_Volcanic]

@@Nedward0 I do hope too,sadly we gotta wait 6 or more months for that to come out

[@Manface013]

The only thing i need is a matchmaking for hardcore, heck, just fix the restart button i would fine with that so i dont spend hours on finding the map, and if i do find the map some griefers will come in and ruin my day!

[@DiscountedMilk]

Your wish came through they are adding matchmaking!

[@Manface013]

@@DiscountedMilk thank god

[@futureofgeography]

I agree Hardcore Matchmaking should exist, but I wouldn't say VIP Players should be able to pick ANY map, and it should only work on hardcore-available maps, since it'd only make the game more P2W and it could also take a while getting the maps you want without the gamepass, potentially longer, since all you have to do for the elevators is go in and out in 1 sec intervals, while you have to join, enter matchmaking, leave and rejoin until you get the map you want, so I'd say either add more elevators or balance the matchmaking system. As for more HC Towers, I definitely agree, but rn I don't think it'd be possible without a drastic content drought, even now the time jump between new towers is still quite high and would lead to another content drought the playerbase thought they'd moved on from, Trapper --> Merc Base was still long and adding multiple HC Towers is also quite challenging, since Merc Base was always a level tower it was easy to put it in the game as a level 150 tower, and Trapper was a mid game tower so 3,000 fits the others, but HC towers are unique, each one changes the meta in some way shape or form, mostly the Accel and Engineer, adding more of these would have to be balanced with pricing and the meta to make sure they're worth your money FAR more than coin based towers, since they're often easier to get since Mini and Ranger are dominating the Coin Scene other than gold towers atm, which was planned, altho I see them coming in future for sure, after the Chaos Mode releases it'll give time during the hype for the devs to work on a HC Tower to release since ppl are gonna try and find strategies and coin grind methods, but before it releases (and thank god its soon) I don't see it being a good idea since it would stall future updates greatly. As for going from 50 --> 40 waves, I again disagree, HC takes a while but going to 40 waves makes everything worse, beating HC would be an absolute nightmare with 40 waves, soloing it would be impossible but trioing it would also be practically impossible without towers such as Jester, and, even then, you get the idea, 1,200,000 HP on Wave 40 is ridiculous, and with how the game wants to make space for the Grave Digger, Molten Boss, and Fallen King/Swordmaster, fitting them into 40 waves is extremely hard, and it already is hard with 50, beating Wave 40 HC would be a nightmarish challenge that would ruin the grinding meta more than having 10 more waves, Regarding filler waves, going on your statement of the difficulty going up gradually, contradicts with your ideas of filler waves, without filler waves it could easily take an hour+ to beat HC, since harder waves = more time to complete = more game time, Wave 25, 45 and 50 are already difficult enough, and sure you'll have more money but having most other waves being a Wave 25/45 makes no sense and would also drastically increase the difficulty of HC, since you have to prep for one enemy with a certain tower but it can't hit the enemies that are already breaching your defence, a good example is 45 and 47 already, you're getting your defense ready for the brutal Wave 45, but then you don't have the towers to take out the Necromancer Bosses and they end your run, having Wave 46 be a filler wave gives you time to prep, Wave 46 already introduces Soul Bosses and Necromancer Bosses, and a Boss Wave should have a greater difficulty spike, so 3 Necro Bosses on Wave 47 would feel more appropriate, especially since Wave 46 is already quite easy with just the 1 Necro Boss, to make it harder than 45 there would have to be multiple necro Bosses, = more on Wave 47 and suddenly you're being overran by them on Wave 46/47, As for the player count and tower specifications, I think they're also justified, having 3 players makes the game more difficult, and being able to solo it doesn't justify making it more easy to grind, an extra player would make HC a joke already, and the ability to solo with event towers, again, justifies nothing, given the fact that you're able to perfectly slot in your towers and get them down is balanced, adding a 4th player gives the option for so much more flexibility and more farming = Waves such as 25+ become a practical joke, keeping in mind that 1 extra DPS Dealer would make the bosses far easier, and tower specifications are also fair because being flexible in the hardest difficulty does not sound right, bringing Sniper instead of Ranger should not give you a triumph, nor should Pursuit --> Ace Pilot. HC is HC for a reason, you shouldn't be able to juggle around with random loadouts or towers and win. Finally, regarding the Coin-Gem concept is the dumbest thing I have heard on a TDS video, ever, it's more or less a waste of effort, since Pizza Party Grinding can already get you thousands of coins per hour, so there's no reason to do HC for coins, EVER, if u can beat HC u can beat Pizza Party, 99.99% of the time, gems are the only reason ppl play this mode, and it's supposed to take a hell of a lot of time. Altho the ability to buy skins (So long as they're cheap) is dope and a pretty cool concept + The idea of matchmaking lobby lmao

[@Nedward0]

You make very good points, i think you're defo right about the three player bit now I think about it, but I think my point for 40 waves still stands, as long as you make good money I think it's fine Also the coin thing hurts my soul 😭

[@futureofgeography]

@@Nedward0 Lol

[@futureofgeography]

@@Nedward0 I agree, HC definitely needs to be shorter, altho I would say making it faster would be better than shortening it outright for balancing purposes ;)

[@Nedward0]

Good point actually 50 fast waves could work well

[@mcc_1360]

Another idea (not a serius one) put hidden wave in hardcore and make the reward a tower or 5 more gems

[@Nedward0]

We need this ☝️

[@SledgerHD]

Nedwardo: "and wave 50 with the final boss" Void Reaver: This b*tch said everyone's name except for mine! Tf did I do to you.

[@Nedward0]

He'll get a lot more screen time in the sequel don't worry 👀

[@froglemonade3398]

I just want them to add so the less people in a party the more towers tou can bring. I pretty much only play solo and it is so restricting to not be able to bring commander, dj, farm and 3+ attack towers.

[@SonicWho1836]

Swap farm for cowboy. Simple fix.

[@Jenaispasdinspi]

​​​@@SonicWho1836fact, I would say golden tho

[@FrancisJaranilla-x7n]

hear me out guys. the fact that the game is easy what is hard is how you get in the game. Imagine this just wasting your time for 15-20 mins. then some random guy enters your elevator while you just stand there and cant do anything

[@FaisalFassaoulia]

Why the heck were you in a fiasco from jailbreak at time frame 2:11

[@Nedward0]

lmao I was bored of making generic scenes of me using emotes in tds and wanted to spice it up

[@FaisalFassaoulia]

I recognised that grass and car bc i was in love with the fiasco untill i got the la matador

[@Nedward0]

@@FaisalFassaoulia I got fiasco when it dropped, obviously its mid but its so dirpy and fun i love driving it around

[@FaisalFassaoulia]

@@Nedward0 game gets fun when you get the fast cars and when you crash you just go flying

[@Nedward0]

@@FaisalFassaoulia especially in og jailbreak my god

[@hibye4804]

No need to add coins that for molten if they did than other mods will be useless they just need to add more towers or skin and make it more fun and challenging

[@IndianaFeve]

wait only 40 to 50min? Also if he doesn't upgrade hardcore, we all know tds :/

[@kadmielluisdelacruz7591]

We got brawler now if you curious with the Recently

[@V1therobotcoin]

Here’s a simple idea, make deluxe crates able to get from gems.

[@Nedward0]

If it were to be any robux crated I would say phantom crate since they fit with hc with their darker aesthetic Also it's kind of mid I'm not paying for them lol

[@dracoledraconoligist]

….yet people care more about making some silly new gamemode that’s probably just gonna be easier than fallen, less rewarding, and near-useless to play rather than reworking the mode they don’t like 😔

[@Bananananananannananananna]

The maain issue is waiting for the map you want. I waited for 30 MINUTES for a map because it came only once in that time and some idiot took a spot cuz he wanted to solo. So we joined that guy and purposely made him lose. They should just make it s longer corridor with every map set out. I cba to wait that much.

[@Nedward0]

Y'all are mean goddamn 😭

[@Bananananananannananananna]

@@Nedward0 its perfectly justified. We politely asked him to leave and we had actually told the dude already before that we had been waiting and he just said “womp womp.”

[@mikegenic]

i don't think there is much wrong with the gamemode since it is hardcore and for god sake i don't want it to get harder. But everthing else is valid tho

[@Davi27654]

they already said they will change some things in all game modes. maybe hardcore is there