The Mask of Zorro - Caravan of Garbage

Here at Caravan Of Garbage industries there is one hard and fast rule. Zorro is the best. And arguably the pinnacle of Zorro (of which there are many) in the 1998 action adventure romance triumph The Mask Of Zorro starring Antonio Banderas, Anthony Hopkins and Catherine Zeta-Jones directed by Martin Campbell. Great movie. Good Zorro-ing
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#Zorro

[@exzyyd392]

Surprised to hear how much James hated this film, glad good old Nick "I love Zorro" Mason was there to straighten him out

[@MichaelTrice-ratops]

Should we riot?

[@mickael486]

​. yes. and we shall.

[@Tigerbalmpanties]

Engagement!

[@__mads__]

Exactly as it should be

[@brantleywasmuth1383]

@@MichaelTrice-ratopsFOR LIBERTY

[@Rorymchair]

James famously had the reverse Batman origin of seeing a Zorro movie as a child and having a great time

[@eastvandb]

This actually explains a lot.

[@hoodies5life43]

That’s how he found his parents too

[@personpeople3787]

He had a great time!!

[@Robin0928]

The passion and love that James talks about Zorro is only rivaled by the way he talks about the Souvlaki Hut Gorilla Commercial and being a father.

[@Finamajig]

“As a father…”

[@Robin0928]

@@Finamajig "I 'read' the book!"

[@lrrroftheplanetomicronpersei8]

@928 "Hey what book ya reading there?" "50 Ways to Karate Chop Your Neck *brother*"

[@jonbaxter2254]

Or how he hates Radiohead.

[@samuelmcl.9474]

*and ghostbusters 2

[@2014wolfy]

James saying Spanish words are hard with an Australian accent followed up by him later pronouncing "Jalapeño" as "juh-lah-pen-oh" was **chef's kiss**

[@SaulGMV]

That’s a callback

[@Mario_Angel_Medina]

​@@SaulGMV yes, they told that story before and that time James pronounced "jalapeño" correctly

[@ShorePlain]

It was from the Fast and the Furious 1 video where James first told the story of Dermie ordering food from his friend working at Subway

[@battleupsaber462]

The mental image of young Robbat Battinbat watching this movie before his folks get shot is absolutely hilarious

[@lrrroftheplanetomicronpersei8]

We need Battinbat Batman Vs Banderas Zorro

[@hellfish2309]

Just imagining his little Bruce Wayne on a leash like that meme rriiiiiiiight before Crime Alley

[@kite-flying_potato]

James is as entertaining when he loves something as when he hates something. That's rare.

[@jonbaxter2254]

It's the passion, you can feel it. Almost taste it.

[@Manuel_Chinaski]

@@jonbaxter2254 pause

[@Cdr2002]

@@Manuel_Chinaskinah. Resume

[@72Guyman]

This movie is responsible for me thinking that Catherine Zeta-Jones was latina for most of my youth

[@jonbaxter2254]

She has the fiery energy and the look in her eyes.

[@adamseidel9780]

I… still thought that

[@luckyspurs]

Welsh people are easily the most Spanish looking Brits.

[@ThreadBomb]

@@luckyspurs Genetically there's a link. During the last ice age there was a human outpost in what we now call Basque country, in the north of Spain, and as Europe warmed people started migrating north to England and Ireland. Subsequent invasions of England by Romans and Germans drove these people (the "Celts") to the western periphery, most notably Wales. And Anthony Hopkins is Welsh too, so I'd say this movie is thoroughly covered as far as not offending twitter warriors.

[@esquilax5563]

​@@ThreadBombthe Basques aren't Celtic. Or at least, their language isn't. There did used to be celts/gauls all over western Europe, don't remember off the top of my head how much they were in Iberia

[@aipom004]

Really just obsessed with whenever these two decide it's a good time for a load of random Australian references

[@lewiscopland4568]

Antonio Banderas' English name is Tony Flags and I think that's wonderful.

[@jonbaxter2254]

I think my painter is called that...

[@dannyhernandez1212]

😂😂😂😂😂 I never even thought about translating his name!! 😅😅😅😅😂😂😂😂

[@AndreNitroX]

How did I never translate that name!?

[@andrewsammons9643]

I think he’s a high school basketball prospect

[@eduardovillagomez3675]

As a bilingual man, I've never thought about this, but you are correct

[@ZachBobBob]

So James LOVES Zorro. Zorro means Fox in Spanish. James loves foxes. James loves Maid Marion confirmed.

[@RobbieB2606]

I mean, who doesn't love Maid Marion?

[@ZachBobBob]

@@RobbieB2606 Definitely not Mason

[@LaidBackApophis]

I genuinely believed when i was younger that that was where the phrase "foxy" came from

[@mctown972]

My favorite part is when Zorro was with my dad in the Amazon researching boot-wearing felines….

[@MHPersonal]

...right before he had a realistic depiction of a panic attack

[@Tigerbalmpanties]

Engagement!!

[@rumo1086]

Wait. Does that make you Magic Baby Zorro?

[@gqueirogabr]

...and then he shot him

[@Whiteythereaper]

And then he Zorroed all over those felines

[@LiamDalley-jd1kc]

This is legit one of my favourite action movies of all time. I think from the writing to the acting, the direction, the action sequences, the score, costumes, sound all of that are just fantastic

[@chriscorben-green2640]

Mask of Zorro is not just my top Action movie, it is my favourite film of all time. Like you said, each time I watch it again, I'm mesmerized by how every element ( from the cast, to the production design) is working together like clockwork to perfection.

[@wookiebarista]

Very vigorous

[@jonbaxter2254]

Also CZJ, good lord...

[@jambler15]

Not enough people know how great this movie is! Easily one of the best action films ever and also helped lead to the Pirates of the Carribean series (even has some of the same writers).

[@ricardoferns56]

​@@jambler15That's a fun fact. I can kind of see the swashbuckling swordplay and snappy dialogue parallel to this movie.

[@simonoosthuizen184]

The evolution of the "Here's the thing" visual gag into just showing Ebon Moss-Bachrach was brilliant. Well done Ben and/or Lawrence great work as always

[@MANC2311]

In the seventies, we had toy swords with chalk on the tip to make the mark of Zorro.

[@vcroissant]

In Portugal that "advanced technology" only arrived in the 90's 😅

[@MrSafarli]

“Should we start a riot? Ya. Let’s start a riot. There’s no one here” 😂got me

[@LaidBackApophis]

that broke me too

[@bearclawbillie]

I JUST need the editors to know how much I appreciated that sly spin on “Here’s the Thing”

[@andrewmcnamara6978]

I lost my shit when I saw that

[@Perfefernefer]

Thought we wouldn't notice but we did

[@pinktribble]

I understood that reference... ​@@Perfefernefer

[@doctaflo]

help, i feel left out

[@paragonjones13]

​​@@doctaflo they showed Ebon Moss-Bachrach, who will be playing the Thing in the new Fantastic Four movie 4:18

[@robertstoner4973]

I will listen to hours of James talking about Zorro

[@OttersDen]

Same. It was much more entertaining than I would've thought beforehand.

[@radar9790]

It is now my workout motivation soundtrack.

[@alexaatkinson]

Same but swap Zorro for 80's VFL

[@lakelandbuzz2252]

So if old Zorro is training young Zorro, and if Zorro is essentially batman, isn't this essentially Batman Beyond?

[@ogto]

i had forgotten for 15 years than Anthony Hopkins was the OG Zorro in this, basically playing the Batman Beyond Bruce Wayne role. fantastic fuckin movie, up there with The Mummy.

[@jonbaxter2254]

Fuck, I love the Mummy. And the second one too.

[@AndreNitroX]

Not to mention Anthony Hopkins convinced me he was Hispanic along with Catherine zeta jones!

[@jonbaxter2254]

@@AndreNitroX I was gobsmacked that CZJ was not only not Mexican, but from a place a few miles away from me.

[@AndreNitroX]

@@jonbaxter2254 my whole latino family all believed catherine zeta jones was hispanic for years!

[@OGPimpin]

Wish we could get a Batman Beyond live action movie, but Hollyweird is slacking hard for silly reasons

[@joebermudez5903]

The horse stable scenes were shot in my uncle's candle-making factory in Mexico. When my parents told me this at 9 years old it was the coolest thing ever. At 23 it's still the coolest thing. I did grow up thinking Sir Anthony Hopkins and Catherine Zeta Jones were hispanic, but otherwise one of my favorite movies of all time. Anthony De La Hopkins had me rollin and Baby Zoro would make a fire kids show like baby looney tunes

[@samuelperezgarcia]

So you were 9 in 1998 and just 23 years old 26 years later? Something does not compute.

[@joebermudez5903]

i didn't see it on release night i saw it on tv years later@@samuelperezgarcia

[@christianrodriguezfromthev9318]

I guess we all learned to love Zorro in today’s episode.

[@horace6851]

always did always will, although Robin Hood was first Zorro will forever have a place in my heart.

[@jxshram]

This is the purest and best definition of a perfect swashbuckling adventure film. Really underrated in modern pop culture in my opinion. The two narratives of a new and old zorro work so well (and further the connections to batman through batman beyond imo) It’s a shame the sequel wasn’t able to capture the same magic… but this one? Great action, comedy and levity

[@dcurran248_9]

My favourite part was when zorro met rude zorro and rude zorro said "get on yer back"

[@patrickmike2524]

Katherine Zeta Jones. She dips beneath the lasers

[@charlesplante]

I was looking for this comment🤣

[@collidence]

She has entrapped me! And Sean Connery...

[@NewMitchell-wh3fj]

Oooooooa oooooooooooooooooooooo

[@luckyspurs]

For a second I thought I'd misremembered Oceans 12.

[@Aaron-ey8kx]

This has to be the most Aussie episode I can remember lol. I had 0 clue what 40% of they were talking about, but man I loved it lol

[@XxJiiGSAWx]

How the FUCK did James just pronounce Jalapeno??????? Also I too fucking love Zorro.

[@BlakeLeitch]

I thought I was having a stroke...

[@FreshMetal80]

I caught that too! Is that the common Australian pronunciation or did he say it like that as a gag. I NEED TO KNOW!

[@lrrroftheplanetomicronpersei8]

I must've missed that

[@powerhamstertreefish]

Went straight to the comments lol

[@Brams2777]

I feel like he's told the story before and that's how the guy ordered it but I might be making that up

[@johnskrip7174]

I watched the two movies in prep for this video and they were fricken sick. I’m so mad nobody told me how great they are and how sexy Hopkins was.

[@NickMichalak]

What a fabulous film! They literally don't make them like this anymore. It's a BIG summer action tentpole with apparently not a lick of digital effects anywhere in there! All practical filmmaking with miniatures, physical stunts, and the best swordplay around! Also, you can almost look at The Mask of Zorro as a proto-Batman Beyond. The classic Zorro has aged out of the role, and trains a young, unruly successor to bring justice to an unjust land.

[@rodneyclarke6477]

I love the training montage. Particularly when Anthony Hopkins gently knocks the sword out of AB's hand after he does some enthusiastic moves. A movie that has stood the test of time and holds up really well. The Actors took it seriously (verisimilitude) but also look like they're having a lot of fun.

[@ryanlawrence4550]

I Loved the Replacing of the "Heres the Thing" joke with a close up of Ebon Moss-Bachrach who is now playing the Thing 😂

[@dustintirey6122]

Mr. Zorro Movies over here, am I right? Legend of the game.

[@dushiemcbag]

James does love a bit of Zorro

[@kieransmith3379]

I found it funny at 15:36 seeing my hometown's Vue cinema depicted with 2 bodies on the floor and a random Zorro, as this is indeed a realistic vision of what Birkenhead is like and you do indeed find characters like this around people sleeping on the street.

[@-MrFozzy-]

That shot of him jumping really high from a roof onto a horse ….but misses is still so good, and funny. The position of the arms and legs as he hits the ground…..so good

[@tfrye1227]

James’ bit about superheroes inspiring crowds is why I loved the ending of The Batman so much! The circle is complete!

[@amanim1400]

Figured this is why Ben was asking about that guy going to subway on twitter lol.

[@08mlascelles]

The way this film managed to truly capture the essence of those 30s and 40s swashbuckling movies, whilst also never seeming dated is amazing. A stone cold and frankly underrated classic!

[@li-limandragon9287]

They somehow made Anthony Hopkins pretty damn hot in this movie.

[@JoelJoel321]

That's some back handed compliment. Maybe it was just by bathing in the aura of Banderas and CZJ.

[@skribblestyle]

SOMEHOW!? MATE!

[@jonbaxter2254]

Somehow? Excuse me?

[@hellfish2309]

Yes “somehow” because he’s also Hannibal Lecter, overtly sexual cannibal

[@KeithFraser82]

Anthony Hotkins, if you will.

[@AndreNitroX]

Personally this is one of the greatest superhero movies ever made. The origin story is done well, the sword fighting is impeccable and Catherine zeta jones enhances the movie with her beauty.

[@DaniG._.German]

Thank you for reminding me of the *Mining Cart Guy.* When I was a kid, I watched this movie with my dad. We laughed so hard we cried that night.

[@TheJesselopez1981]

I like how he has to keep starting his scream over again. As if he didn't anticipate it taking so long to build up speed.

[@mathiaswalker350]

Might I just give praise and say that at 4:18 that Edit did not go unappreciated.

[@BennyTheKidd]

Fun fact: Zorro, Batman, and many superhero/vigilante tropes are inspired by the story “The Scarlet Pimpernel” which was originally published in 1905.

[@RileyDia]

Pimpernel isn't easy!

[@jonbaxter2254]

I have to get around to reading that.

[@dannyhernandez1212]

And loosely based on the outlaw Joaquín Murrieta.

[@TacticusPrime]

If anything, Zorro is an anti-Pimpernel. He fights for the people, not to rescue noblemen from the Revolution.

[@craigh4691]

​@@TacticusPrimeDefinitely a difference in politics but still a clear inspiration

[@JeffreyDeCristofaro]

I was 13 when this came out in theaters and loved it so much! I became a Zorro fan, Catherine Zeta-Jones was my first celebrity crush at such a young age, and I even wanted one of those swords! We even have a friend of my dad's who is a Zorro fan and gave us a book of Zorro as a gift!

[@AustinViolence]

Did you guys know that Antonio Banderas was the voice of Puss in Boots? Who, himself, was a sword-wielding rapscallion. What a coincidence!

[@JoelJoel321]

TIL

[@joshhale9355]

Puss also carved “p” into a tree like Zorro did with the “z” when he showed up in Shrek. That HAD to be on purpose.

[@JoelJoel321]

@@joshhale9355 We're through the looking glass, people.

[@michaelsander2878]

It was probably one of the best Zorro movies ever.

[@michaelsander2878]

@@joshhale9355 He really shreked them.

[@SeanA099]

I love how without this movie, we never would’ve gotten Puss in Boots: The Last Wish

[@theflickchick9850]

Not gonna lie, Zorro casting two Welsh people as father and daughter (Hopkins and Zeta-Jones) is kind of genius. Why? Because Welsh people are awesome and Zorro is awesome so it works.

[@MilqDust]

I genuinely love the enthusiasm James has on display whenever he talks about Zorro. c:

[@foamcorner]

I also briefly forgot when this came out and thought the evil gentleman was Wyatt Russell.

[@johnskrip7174]

Saaame. Blew my mind when James said it was Thawne.

[@zadikrivera]

I literally read this comment & 5 seconds later he brought up that bit wth

[@avahartwell3985]

So one bit of trivia about this movie - Antonio Banderas was famous for having a hatred of yellow corn chips, which required craft services to hand-select the corn for, and hand-make, more blue corn chips than any film's craft service table before or since, which led to the working title of this film being Blue Harvest, which funnily enough, you might not know this, was the working title of the original Star Wars movie.

[@dannyhernandez1212]

😂😂😂😂😂 Damn you. I fell for it. 😅😅😅😅

[@adamseidel9780]

DAMNIT

[@luckyspurs]

I read way too much of that before realising what it was.

[@RobDHamilton]

Never heard James be so relentlessly positive about a movie. Feel Mason missed a real opportunity for a "Why don't you marry him if you love him so much" style joke.

[@domeniciovine]

“Gerudo Valley” starting as they go into trivia is such a wild meeting of two worlds

[@kimm6589]

I'm 41 and you brought back old forgotten memories of watching that zorro TV show as a kid. Thanks a lot. Now what am I supposed to do with my life?

[@Heyzeus101]

Mask of Zorro is almost a perfect film. I love it. The biggest downside is none of the Mexicans are played by Mexicans (I even IMDB'd the Mexican guard who Anthony Hopkins kills to escape prison and the dude is a white guy from Detroit). British people playing Spanish royalty and Mexicans...it's hilarious. I'll tell you who's underrated in this flick and that's Matt Letscher. Captain Love was an awesome villain.

[@thelaughingrouge]

Was not expecting a reference to Yahoo Serious in my Mask of Zorro review, but here we are.

[@darraghbrowne8478]

Fun fact - it's believed that the 'real' zoro was actually an Irish man named William Lamport who moved to Mexico as a child and went on to try form a rebellion against the Spanish crown. He was given the name Don Guillén de Lamport (or Lombardo) y Guzmán

[@Vaisero]

as a mexican kid, i actually LOVED this movie, watched it lots of times.

[@fire34fly]

I love that after all the years podcasting of Jame's mentioning loving Zorro we're finally here to review it, brings tears to my eyes or maybe it's all the gun powder from the explosions one or the other..

[@Supermanuel]

I love this movie so much. I do find it funny that they have a Welshman playing a Spaniard and a Spaniard playing a Mexican lol. Also if original Zorro was proto Batman then this movie is Batman beyond

[@NewMitchell-wh3fj]

By American standards Spain and Wales are practically the same thing, aren't they just separated by like a couple hundred miles of water

[@sambridgett]

I genuinely had a moment where I thought, "Wait, is that Wyatt Russell? No, this is about 25 years old, it physically can't be," so it was nice to know I'm not the only person to see the resemblance. Also, you've reminded me I've not seen this movie for a decade or more and I need to rectify that.

[@pinktribble]

The new "here's the thing" joke just made snort!! Bravo Ben and/or Laurence!

[@jon_moncada]

What Maso doesn't know is the Murrieta family is NOT made up for this film. Its the real life inspo for Zorro. People way too deep in Zorro lore not only know this, but love the inclusion.

[@wmascolin]

Does James say Jalapeno wrong as a bit or are Australians just really pushing it

[@robbmccoy7632]

Its a reference to the last time they mentioned dermott Brereton buying a subway sandwich from James friend and him saying jalapeño like that. I have no idea when that was

[@AgusSkywalker]

Technically is Jalapeño, and most English speaking pronounce it wrong.

[@ragingviking5712]

As an Aussie we do say it properly but we also joke about and pronounce every letter, most likely a gag

[@tonypine3434]

Potentially a Trailer Park Reference. I do it almost 20 years later just because it made me laugh when they did it (Rickyism).

[@Rozza2k]

Such an underrated movie, the supporting characters are brilliant too. My favourite still being 3 fingered jack

[@banonKING]

The Mask of Zorro is awesome. Saw it in theaters... and my parents didn't get murdered

[@LanceCorporal_Waffles]

9:25 Stop it. 🤣 11:48 STOP IT 🤣🤣 13:26 Gel-Uh-Pen-Oh? You mean a Jalapeño? Lol

[@pinktribble]

It's a joke...

[@davemcguirewatches]

Round of applause to the editor for the “here’s the thing” gag. No lie / bra-fucking-o

[@gelfie2208]

Climax together? You couldn't make this podcast today.

[@misterhuh7686]

The mask of zorro soundtrack is easily one of my favorite movie soundtrack in movie history, top 8 to be exact. 💯 "I want to spend my lifetime, loving youuu."🥰

[@RileyDia]

Fake Fans: We want The Dark Knight! Real fans: I FREAKIN LOVE ZORRO

[@user-qt6sf6yl1f]

If you love historical and grounded content then Zorro is for you but if you are fond of accelerated stuff then it probably is Batman but Zorro is a classic

[@randomjunk1977]

I was like 14 when this movie came out, and as a result was under the impression for like a decade that Catherine Zeta-Jones was Spanish

[@jasonschmucker]

The horse chase is just incredible and still one of my favorite action scenes in any movie

[@sharko3211]

James’ love for Zorro makes me love Zorro

[@elliotwhite3262]

Something, something Blue Harvest.

[@rfish2]

Tom Cruise: “You need a latino lead” Also Tom Cruise: “I’m the last samurai”

[@KingDaveth]

He was not the last Samurai in that movie. Moritsugu Katsumoto was

[@Gzilla313]

That’s literally the historical person TC played, a Civil War vet who trained Japanese soldiers in western-style military techniques.

[@RileyDia]

@steve152 We're buddies I call him TC

[@jt1174]

I love the fact that even though this series is broadcast to the world, these two still manage to include a reference, and footage, of Saint's legend Plugger, and the absolute prick of bloke that is D. Brereton. I love picturing the conversation where you try to explain the reference of such enigmas to Ben and Lawrence haahhaha

[@bluesdjben]

This movie was a ton of fun. I remember watching this with my dad and having a great time. Caught the end of it on TV recently, and it still holds up pretty well.

[@user-yu2ws8bt5g]

Catherine Zeta Zones was the pinnacle of beauty in Zorro.

[@rhysalexander182]

This movie is sooooo good! I miss movies having iconic moments like the glinting sword!

[@ryan.holland]

eight year old me loved this movie more than anything else in the entire world

[@rosssapp6990]

I love this movie! Watched it all the time as a kid. Still holds up. Shame the sequel was not as good.

[@andrewmcnamara6978]

Shout out to Ben and Laurence for putting in Ebon Moss-Bachrach when they said here's the thing. Quite possibly the greatest editing I've ever seen

[@cabbage4127]

finally, a fellow australian that loves zorro as much as I do

[@BrendleBear]

That edit of EMB with the line “here’s the thing” was unexpected and I love it. Top notch editing

[@pharaohanakaris]

the sean connery bit was so fuckin funny "i dont trust her" killed me

[@Biglebowski88936]

This video will be remembered for the return of custom "trivia" titles ❤

[@nbyrne2914]

That Connery bit was tremendous

[@Genshion]

This might sound lame, but I think part of what makes this movie so good is it's got a lot of heart to it. Something most movies don't seem to have these days

[@bobdude42]

I live for those old VFL highlights!

[@mexicanadian0846]

I love this movie so much. The second one isn't terrible but not great, just good. You don't ever need to see it if you don't want to (unlike the first), but you can watch it and be entertained. Also favorite Antonio movie that NEVER GETS ENOUGH LOVE!!! 13TH WARRIOR!!! One of my personal favorites

[@MikeB12800]

“And here’s the thing” edit was very clever!!! Well done!!

[@JackClockerinos]

Hey I got a cameo at 2:51! I'm loving the video so far, thanks for covering the Zorro franchise on your channel guys, the more large KZbinrs that cover Zorro, the more likely that fanbase gains new members. I love that James is such a big fan of Zorro in it's entirety and not just Mask of Zorro, I'd absolutely love to talk to both of you guys about the franchise one day

[@adexterwolfe]

I love James passion for this

[@JWoogie66]

I loved this movie when it came out its incredible and still holds up well today cant believe its been over 25 years since its release.

[@tonypellow9974]

The evolution of the ‘here’s the thing’ gag *chefs kiss*

[@rosssapp6990]

Omg showing the new thing actor for “here’s the thing” was genius!

[@storminmormn6283]

The comedic duo along with excellent editing make this channel a great one to watch. Thanks for all the hardwork, I know you make my day a bit better everytime I see an upload.

[@HackFunkDoc]

THESE VIDEOS ARE PLACE OF HONESTY AND HONOR... LIKE ZORRO cried laughing at the edit, just beautiful

[@raymantisful]

I can’t believe how much Maso loves zorro

[@JavierDiaz619]

i love this zorro film as well. I saw it when it came out in the theater also. You were close on the Batman reference. You have it right that yes Don Diego De La Vega is the main Zorro. But because he is old after escaping prison and taught Alejandro this is the "Batman Beyond" version of Zorro,

[@cnat.travels]

I really like the dual revenge stories too. When one story is really going and then they switch to the other one, it’s not like, “Oh man show the other antagonist!” it’s “All right let’s see where this story is going!”