The Mass Killer Who Murdered Over My Little Pony

In today's true crime documentary, we're covering the case of Brandon Hole.
Note for KZbin's review team, here is the context of the video: this is an educational documentary and authoritative news piece based on actual police documents and case files. Our team of psychology professionals analyze the interrogation footage from an educational perspective with a focus on psychology, red flags, and prevention. Our goal is to educate the public, inform our audience, and raise awareness.

[@dreamzation3260]

I am truly baffled as to how this was allowed to happen in the first place. This person was reported to police repeatedly and showed several warning signs

[@sinjin8576]

He WaS oN OuR LiSt -FBI

[@ObsidianFallen]

​@@sinjin8576like 90% of the time yeah they just let crap escalate

[@Nuvizzle]

You'd think when someone with numerous mental health issues and a history of violence confesses to an FBI agent that he is a danger to society he would be put on some kind of "do not sell this person a gun" list but I guess that's un-American.

[@SmokenHash]

Some of my mom's friends have a relative with severe mental health issues, she's messaged people claiming to be part of isis trying to recruit them and clearly could do something dangerous for herself and others. It's been reported, but until she actually does something, no one will step in. It's sickening and it's bullshit. And just my luck she has a delusion that I should have been her child since my dad took her to prom back in the day. 🥲 I've only met this lady a few times and block her profiles anytime I see them pop up.

[@WhereNothingOnceWas]

Police don't stop crimes, they solve them.

[@astroblemeRC]

The mother knew all the issues and drove him to a gun store, fearing he would commit suicide and allowed him to purchase a firearm.... I think the mother might be a major factor to the issue.

[@brianlawrence5173]

Parents can only do so much. Unless she was abusing him, nobody really knows what she could have done, or was doing to improve/hinder his mental well being.

[@well1999]

​@@ADDrecords yeah i think too

[@PatriciaPageMosaicArtsCrafts]

Agree

[@acrnym6858]

She also fought to have her son examined.. Bare in mind he was a legal adult when he purchased the gun, there was no stopping him. All she could do was oversee. She fought a lot more than most parents of these "failed" kids. Super insensitive.

[@crystalsmith-johnson901]

Absolutely

[@smidgen]

Ugh. "because of the company's no cell phone policy in certain areas of the building, some victims were unable to call for help" hits like a punch in the gut..

[@dangboor4277]

Capitalism.

[@Zappa943]

Wrong communism.

[@Dougfunny37]

So fucked up story. I worked in an office for a company that had a strict no phones allowed policy for copyright reasons. It was so strict that it was a serious problem for some of the women in the office who needed to answer emergency family calls in rare scenarios. So one day a woman raised hell becuse that exact situation happened and it almost ended very poorly for her. She asked our direct manager this question “what happens if someone just bust in here shooting? We can’t even call for help!” The manager looked at her coldly and said “go back to your desk.” Sent chills down my spine, they 100% expected you to die in that scenario

[@GoodPersonTestWebsite]

@@dangboor4277 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@dangboor4277]

@@GoodPersonTestWebsite If the company was democratically owned by the people who worked there, no stupid cell phone policy would exist. But instead it is owned by capitalists, who want to squeeze as much profit out of their workers as possible.

[@anthonysimpson01]

bro didn't learn a single thing from watching the show considering he was obsessed with it 💀

[@lil.lith1510]

True! But you know those “pinkie pie goes mad” shit? I think that did its part too.

[@anthonysimpson01]

@@lil.lith1510 yeahhh like “smile hd” and the muffins video ☠️

[@muk204]

Should make a episode about how you shouldn't do mass shootings.

[@lil.lith1510]

@@muk204 hilarious

[@kovy689]

@@lil.lith1510That episode was scary.

[@yezki8]

"I don't want to WASTE MY TIME doing something like that. ITS A HASSLE" This is a clear red flag. Brandon's first argument on that is not about humanity or the unthinkable, but he said he "has no time" or too lazy to do it. He doesn't understand morale and emotion, so he express his excuse with a logical explanation. A clear sign of sociopathic disorder

[@gustavishmichelle3575]

My brother said that exact same thing to me when he started a debate with me on how working conditions should stay as they are. Cause "its too much of a hassle to fix." That conversation left me so disturbed I had no idea what else to tell him so he proceeded to get annoyed by my silence and call me sensitive. I've been trying to go no-contact with him while sharing the same roof.

[@Azzyy444]

@@Brobrobagins420ok…?

[@eethannnn]

@@Brobrobagins420 what does this mean

[@Zei33]

@@eethannnnprobably a Trump fan, too deep into his politics to actually live in reality.

[@bizentino]

​@@Zei33 ??? You are the one who brought trump into the conversation. Are you ok? Need someone to talk about your traumas?

[@jonhard1049]

It is absulutely awful how that mom chose to not move out of the apartment or not even try to move her son's room somewhere else so he would not have to look at the same closet his dad killed himself in everyday

[@lu-lz5xk]

And she let him isolate himself!! Heartbreaking how she allowed him and probably pushed him to insanity

[@jonhard1049]

@@lu-lz5xk nah that kid was insane though no matter what though, moving him to another room was the least that could be done for him to try and keep him away from murder. that kid threatened to kill his mom kind of

[@_blank-_]

Wait, I didn't get that, it's the same home

[@lu-lz5xk]

@Jonhard10 she allowed him to only ever see his mother everyday and basically do whatever he wanted I doubt she ever thought about the danger he wanted to bring to himself and probably just pushed him to being "normal" a lot. He def had a lottt going on tho at least he gone🙏🙏😭

[@kittypeanut4102]

​@@jonhard1049 "nAh ThAt KiD wAs InSaNe" okay ableist. People aren't born being criminals, i wouldn't say this is all of the mother's fault, but he could've been stopped so many times and actually help him

[@John-mm2yl]

That employee feeling bad for the guy who was there for only a week is so sad. Rip to all these victims.

[@wolfan9263]

Those s tupid psychopathic teenagers that possessed with demons nowadays they watch videos about serial killers and schools shootings on the net and they want be like them or famous in an evil s tupid way and want to be serial killers in only one day cuz they now can't kill many ppl like in the old fashion way killing thru the years slowly like the serial killers did in the past cuz they know now they will be caught easily and fast because of the advanced ways of investigations and evidences nowadays.

[@fredfrappe]

That employee probably never got paid a single time either.

[@tyzorg]

@@fredfrappe BRO..... 🤣

[@calicoproductions7054]

It's true, most the time they hold your check for 2 weeks

[@gridlo]

Yeah that got me.

[@JohnWall-lj1mx]

This guy: I’m a danger to others Mom: here son have a gun The psychiatrist: cool story get out of my office *acts out on his threats* “Nobody saw it coming”

[@the_real_vdegenne]

Son: "I wil end up my life" Mom: "Go ahead" “Nobody saw it coming”

[@kynaliarose5950]

100%

[@JamesonTheFamouson]

@@the_real_vdegenneI think that was the father

[@TRXAlpha_]

​@@JamesonTheFamousonyeah it was the father. but still

[@kanesmith8271]

@@JamesonTheFamousonShe did the same to the son as she did to the father, this is some evil creepy pasta level stuff, she controlled the son to murder people and then kill himself, what the hell are these demons

[@peterburman5193]

There was a guy who lived in a dorm across from me who was obsessed with My Little Pony. Less than two weeks into the freshman semester, he got rejected by a girl and promptly threatened to bomb our school. Needless to say he got booted out pretty quickly.

[@LadyGreyBlack]

What is it with grown dudes and My Little Pony?!

[@thetruedarkener]

​​@@LadyGreyBlack My guess is they never felt loved. I know a guy (my former best friend) who's a total recluse. He never leaves his room and he regularly watches MLP. He's 30 and lives with his mother who enables him to keep doing it by doing everything for him except what matters, loving him. He's never worked a day in his life. I doubt he would ever be violent but his life is being wasted. Hence why our friendship had to end.

[@alyciamarie4163]

@@thetruedarkener that’s not normal for 3 adult men to do nothing but watch this show. That’s just right here 3 different people???? This seems to involve sexual abuse.

[@elir648]

​@@LadyGreyBlack The brony fandom is huge, it isn't so much that dudes who like mlp are gonna be violent, there are just going to be more violent people in it compared to other smaller fandoms. I know plenty of bronies who are chill.

[@dedwendell]

@@LadyGreyBlack Usually guys end up watching cartoons or anime because they're lonely. Dangerous individuals like this are rare, but you do have to be a bit of a weirdo or a social outcast. I speak from experience.

[@MrWarners14]

Depression, anxiety and My Little Pony don’t inherently cause people to be killers. He was clearly an unhinged individual with no respect for human life. He obviously didn’t take any of the valuable lessons from the show seriously because despite his obsession, he clearly needed help for other more serious mental reasons. It’s completely shameful what he did. A horrible tragedy.

[@-Umbrella.]

"He obviously didn't take any of the valuable lessons from the show seriously" made me laugh. Ik it's no laughing matter though

[@LoonyDoll]

​@@-Umbrella. There's also the fact Applejack would probably never invite him to go applebuckin' if she knew what he was planning to do. She would have, at the very least, demanded separate beds going forward.

[@user-px7op7wg8c]

Friendship is Murder

[@ferst262]

Stop giving guns to everyone then. We don’t have these incidents in other countries

[@ilikemitchhedberg]

Exactly. think of the millions of people with depression and odd behaviors who never hurt a fly.

[@anarchy7535]

I don't want to say I BLAME the mother, but every quote from her is snarky and sarcastic towards him, and she very clearly let some major red flags go by. The fact that it ended with the "I won't even grieve you" quote shows that he definitely didn't have a great supportive environment.

[@trinidadchairez8911]

Yep

[@MASTEROFEVIL]

That boy was doomed from the start

[@abbymendoza3960]

Not to mention she said he should have killed himself ! Seriously you couldn't get your son a second opinion in a different specialist .

[@skaptikl]

No wonder the father killed himself.

[@lu-lz5xk]

Yup poor severly mentally ill kid bullied into insanity by his own mother who was probably also very ill and deffff his dad like Jesus christ its just such a mess

[@disco_depression]

I say this literally each time I hear about these crazy MLP fandom crime stories. If I was MLP's creator, my mental health would be CRUSHED by the fact my artwork which I worked so hard on serves as a way for deranged offenders, pedos, murderers etc to gather around

[@_blank-_]

I would delete the whole thing.

[@nickjunior9862]

@@_blank-_ why

[@kytesav]

@@_blank-_ i wouldnt, why would i ruin something for millions of people over this dysfunctional family? i agree its sicking and crushing but what about the other millions who love the show?

[@link304]

You kinda need to remember to separate the internet from reality. MLP is not intended for psychopaths to gather around, there's more people that watch that stuff without having harmful tendencies. The media isn't the cause of harm, it's the persons psychological state. Creators of "MLP" realize that, surely. Tragic, nonetheless but we can't put blame on something that was created for children.

[@nickjunior9862]

@@link304 facts

[@ollow_is_sad5373]

As someone with anxiety, depression, and who likes My Little Pony (it was a childhood thing that stuck + I'm also autistic and it's one of my special interests), I **swear to god** we aren't all like this. 😭 This guy had further issues and depression, anxiety, OCD, liking MLP or other childish things, ect., does NOT mean they were direct causes in his psychotic tendancies. Yes, they played their own roles in this chillng story, but the red flags that showed up had more to do with destructive behaviour and not getting proper help. I understand why he'd be attached to these characters, but it's batcrap cazy that he would kill over fictional ponies. And as crazy as it might be to hear this, Apple Jack would jave been heart broken to hear something like this would happen over her, and she's not even real. MLP is a show about colourful ponies learning about friendship, this boy was just psychotic and happened to like it. Special interests and mental health DO NOT EQUAL murderer in the making. Sorry for the rant, I just find it really important for this to be known, because alot of things like this are more due to the system failing people when they were younger, abuse and bullying, while alot of people just see "oh, obsessed with My Little Pony?" and run away with the take of "OFC he'd be crazy bc he likes a show for kids". Keep an open mind and look for real issues and injustices in the kids' life. Be good people.

[@flaming_bentley]

Absolutely! Not everyone who likes cartoons as an adult is psychotic. Anyone can be psychotic. It's not a matter of your hobbies, it's a matter of your brain chemistry/personality

[@brotherdave913]

I was diagnosed with epilepsy, autism, and depression, used to watch Bratz, some Barbie Christmas movie, and other cartoons like this, seen gory shit, and love to mess around, but I would never do something like this. Hearing there are some people with mental health problems, I know how they felt. Edited: Oops. I was actually referring to The Nuttiest Nutcracker. I thought it was owned by Barbie at first. I'm not sure if it was, but I could be wrong.

[@kit-n9u]

@@flaming_bentleyyep, and not all psychotic people kill people either. you just have to handle it correctly. ive been psychotic (i have ocd and autism like him) and it made me homicidal, but i always easily controlled it and kept it to myself

[@PaperImagesArtStudio]

You are absolutely correct. He had a lot of things that nobody diagnosed.

[@LMLETP15]

Why….why did his mother TAKE HIM TO BUY A GUN…This story is baffling. He literally TOLD medical professionals he was a danger to society and himself, yet nothing was done about it. Deplorable.

[@skupire6547]

His mother told his father to kill himself, so why would you expect her to be anything other than a piece of shit?

[@katiemilady197]

Ikr? As a mother myself there's no way I would've done that

[@roseoverdose6451]

and talks about suicide on the way to the gun store, "but he didn't get bullets" ... because they were sold out. she was clearly not dealing with him correctly.

[@GreebleClown]

I don’t think she brought him to buy the gun, he bought it himself in a store that happened to have guns. And if he’s an adult there’s not much she can do if he doesn’t listen to her. I could be wrong though.

[@Wallakazulum]

Not surprising after telling her husband to go ahead and kill himself.... I wonder if both, the father and the son were psychologically damaged by her.

[@monkeman319]

This just shows how easily this could of been avoided if the system just worked to help instead of immediately putting these people back into the world

[@magalieg273]

And if the stupid mom didn't buy a gun for her violent psychotic son. Like seriously?

[@GabeLM1122]

But it's the guns fault right!?

[@GoodAtStuf]

@@GabeLM1122 ?

[@bo-dine7971]

@@GabeLM1122 Oh course it is! This horrible Assault-Rifle-15 is so evil, it shoots everyone on sight by itself! For those of you that are a bit slow, this is sarcasm.. This state already had red-flag laws, which is the strictest form of gun control, yet here we are.. The mother should be put away for life for assisting a man in suicide, raising a psycho & then giving him MULTIPLE firearms, she is literally the killer.

[@jimo8486]

and also how fucked ur system is for buying guns this wouldn't of happened

[@jasminepineda6477]

She let him get a gun. What the heck is wrong with her. You know your son is troubled and you DRIVE HIM TO THE GUN STORE and let him GET A GUN. I cant believe this woman oh my god.

[@TheAngelAries]

She was probably hoping he’d off himself like his dad did, so she didn’t have to deal with them. I think the mom is the most messed up.

[@M3belP1Nes]

@@TheAngelAriesgood but sad point😢

[@Bdkdklllvv]

I was thinking this, too!!

[@grizzlygoose2772]

Why is someone with so many disorders even allowed a gun?

[@Gabriel87100]

@@TheAngelAries As an outsider the impression I get is that most parents in the U.S. are so detached from everything that doesn't involve their own ego that they indirectly end up creating monsters off their offspring, either from neglect or abuse. Manipulative father dying from su*c*de because of a fight with the mother, cold as hell mother who, sure, took the kid to counseling, but likely didn't give much attention to him at home... That is already terrible news, but to take into account the kid's mental health considering there's family history of that? People should not be having kids without being psychologically prepared for it, period.

[@nairdacnalbel]

The kid turned to his mother, the police, psychiatrists, and the only comfort he had was a dumb cartoon. To someone feeling mentally alone, a feel good children's cartoon might have been all he had. I think his April message, as strange as it is, is genuine.

[@daylinhesford3116]

What I don't get is how he didn't take any messages from the show to heart. That show is only about kindness love and acceptance and its weird how these kind of people or "bronies" cling to it in the wrong ways. Sick

[@harryc657]

​@@daylinhesford3116 It's one thing to hear a message about friendship and love, and to watch cute ponies do it. It's another to long for friendship and love and not receive it. It wasn't a message to him, but an escape.

[@jewelxiat]

@@harryc657 and that breaks my heart way more than usual. :(

[@rotinthesun]

​​@@daylinhesford3116 i think its becouse they are ponies and not humans. Ive watched that type of cutesy show before and the apeal is that the kind and friendly creatures arent human. People with trust issues steming from the mistreatment of others dont trust humans, but they will trust ponies. I know forsure that if the cartoon ponys in that show where replaced by live action humans their kindness and good nature wouldnt feel magical anymore it would just feel false and untrue. Its the same reason why people feel more empathy towards stray dogs than homeless people. "Animals are good, humans are bad" mentality. For fans of this type of show, the point is to forget that its even a show and instead be "transported" into another, better world. These worlds are usualy ruled by kindness and friendship unlike our world which is ruled by fear and exploitation. People learn from their respective worlds, the ponies learn kindness is real and the people who watch the show only believe so in the context of the show,not the real world, thus making the moral lessons meaningless. The misstreatment and isolation causes this detachment from humanity and love for inhuman characters. Same reason anthro characters are popular. BASICLY: The show is popular with outcast becouse it presents a belivable "other world" where people are friendly and care for others. It is the perfect escape from reality. The moral lessons are only belivable in the cartoon, not in real life, thought.

[@lady8818]

You wouldn’t call a cartoon dumb if you watched the show. Some episodes contain sublte dark themes and I wouldn’t call that dumb.

[@russellleblanc1539]

The hung mannequin in his closet broke my heart. That kid was broken early on. My mother was murdered when I was 4 years old. I remember holding it all in, no tears, no pain, just nothin. When I turned 17 I received all her last belongings. Her diary, drawings, ideas and dreams, pictures, highschool yearbook, a watch with a scrape on it from a bullet that went through her hand, many letters about how much she loved me and wanted to live to watch me grow. I cried my eyes out for the first time, it felt like all the crying I should've done throughout those years I let out like a floodgate that day.. stuff like this can really break growing minds.. when I found out she was dead I remember my first reaction being to hide under my bed, I didn't want to see anyone.

[@nicgrace1145]

I’m so sorry to read this and imagine your heartbreak, I hope you are able to remember your mum with peace and love ❤

[@han7oee]

Sorry for your loss and what you experienced, I hope you have found your peace now. Much love to you and stay safe ♥

[@Faith_Chi]

My condolences. What a terrible thing to experience. I hope you're doing well today xo

[@nobodycaresofficial1]

Im sorry for you, I cant imagine what it feels like to lose something in an early age 💔❤❣❤‍🩹

[@mr100x3]

Hope you heal brother 🙏🏾

[@RatPharmacist]

Insisting on 3 pairs of shorts is a huge red flag for CSA 😢

[@czarnakoza9697]

not always lol

[@shrimptoaststicks895]

@@czarnakoza9697 yeah it sounded more like ocd/autism sensory issues in this case, but CSA is still a possibility. :(

[@czarnakoza9697]

@@shrimptoaststicks895 not everything has to be rape lil bro

[@veneraliaa]

what’s csa? i’m sorry 😭

[@shrimptoaststicks895]

@@veneraliaa childhood s*xual assault

[@skelemama]

This case is pretty similar to Randy Stair, a KZbinr who had an obsession of the character Ember McLain from Danny Phantom. He believed that he was a ghost girl trapped in a boy's body and because of his delusions he shot up a grocery store and then himself so that he could "be with her in the afterlife." Both cases are extremely tragic all around.

[@aerickmon3350]

Damn that is similar Reminds me of some of the other childhood show obsessed killers

[@skelemama]

@@aerickmon3350 What other cases do you know about?

[@iiCounted-op5jx]

damn

[@aerickmon3350]

@@skelemama only a few like tsutomu or trey Eric sesler

[@TestTest-co5iw]

Seems like a big fat lie from those kinda people beeing like "i will join x in the afterlife, thats why i will now continue to kill multiple people and then me" like what? Just give ya self a good headhsot and be done you stupid egoistic twat. Either that or just tell the truth and say that your a utter failure and want to end it but also end others lifes with yours to feel better. What damn loosers lmfao.

[@oxytociniv404]

a child wanting to wear extra clothing around their waist is a really big red flag for something terrible... this guy went through some bad things to turn out this way

[@Frilleon]

Lmao

[@yumeidarling]

@@Frilleon??

[@Ezcu1]

What does the red flag entail? Im not sure what it means

[@oxytociniv404]

@@Ezcu1 when a child wears extra clothing around their bottom, its meant to be like a barrier for their most sensitive parts. you know, so people have a harder time getting into their pants. its a sign that something really terrible and disgusting is happening at home and theyre trying to protect themselves..

[@Poglavnit_Pferdefuhrer]

His mom seemed clueless, so it was probably a kindergarten teacher touching him, taking advantage of his vulnerable nature with no father. Since he only started *after* seeing his dad hang himself

[@HyphennVR]

He didn't murder OVER mlp, it was the last thing that he was holding on to.

[@maddyc2412]

No but he was obsessed with it and talked about having it in the afterlife. That's an unhealthy level of obsession

[@justincider8892]

No. He did. He even said he did.

[@chewygreencake]

@@justincider8892he prob js said all that to seem even more as edgy.

[@cherry414]

18:24

[@FrogWithAngerissues]

@@maddyc2412 yeah but it sounds like a coping mechanism for a lot of deep rooted trauma, like his dad and mum and being alone

[@Lalalillia]

I just wanted to applaud the worker Judy since no one is mentioning her. She helped direct her coworkers to get them out while he was firing into it through the turnstile and she also stayed herself and offered to direct the police inside to make it faster for them to look. She had no way of knowing he had ended himself, for all she knew he was there and she hadn't seen an officer yet. The relief of her realizing the approaching figure was an officer and not the shooter was a really emotional moment for me.

[@J_Lynn]

Judy was amazing. She did a great job and my heart breaks for her having to experience that. I hope she's well.

[@mereloostdam]

You can hear the relief in her voice when she sees it's an officer and not him. heartbreaking.

[@CricketRodeo]

Yes, me too...I got teary at that part. Bless that lady and all the victims and their families.

[@haqimyridzqy6902]

666 g 4th ghave small babies @@J_Lynn x

[@HassanSanem]

Typical modern WMN

[@CrashBoomBang78]

So he was diagnosed with all these disorders at an early age, but was he ever actually offered any treatment??

[@contraband1543]

Probably couldn't afford it

[@IfYouInsist]

Merica

[@LemonEyeDrops]

@@IfYouInsist came to say this 😂 nobody’s gonna profit from childhood mental health so it ain’t happening

[@emmagreen6087]

@@LemonEyeDrops Sad, but that seems to be true.

[@jacquelinese1787]

In Austria it’s free if you need it. Sorry but America is a fucking joke

[@randommemeclone1021]

I really hate that the media/shows the person watched is being used as a scapegoat for causing their problems. As much as I can tell, MLP was a coping mechanism for his problems and mental issue, but indeed became an obsession, as to how neglectful the mother appeared to be with those red flags. He most likely did believe that would be the only thing he can trust, of course he'd freak out so easily. I really see it as moronic to solely blame the show for what he did. Even if it wasn't MLP, he would've had a different obsession that'd motivate him the same. He was already acting like a future school shooter.

[@PrideEepy64]

I have my own coping mechanism from fictional stuff (Not MLP) But Cuphead, Chainsaw Man, Pikmin, Demon Slayer, The Amazing World of Gumball, Angry Beavers, And Especially My Hero Academia And Super Mario And I can have my own problem with Mental Breakdowns, and crying fits But I don’t go mad or do anything really bad when seeing/playing media things Even though this wasn’t about me at all Just thought I tell what I do so people don’t think I’m brain dead

[@gustavishmichelle3575]

I agree. And, also, they didn't say if they diagnosed him, but they did assess him for autism. Autistic people have obsessive tendencies as well. It's super normal for autistic people to have special interests. So, for me, that part of the video just paints autistic traits and autiwtic people as malevolent or "red flags". Didnt leave a good taste... (also, jic, I am autistic with a bunch of special interests lol)

[@stan8479]

When I started this video and EWU spoke of "a strange obsession with a kid's cartoon as a teenager" as well as "weird rocking back and forth", I knew immediately he was autistic. And I hate that these kinds of special interests are regarded as obvious signs somebody is a murderer.

[@drumdaynight17]

I think it is reasonable to raise an eyebrow over a young boy with a MLP obsession. It may NOT be anything serious but it is definitely unusual

[@stan8479]

@@drumdaynight17 Allistic people "raise eyebrows" over people with special interests all the time, many of those being autistic people. As long as it doesn't harm anyone, it'd be better for everyone to not make it into a big deal.

[@DeadmanChaos]

Wearing three pairs of shorts at a young age should have been a RedFlag to the mother, thats usually a result of SA.

[@OscarLangleySoryu]

Yes. It's an OCD sign but it's also a red flag for that and it doesn't sound like he ever got attention for whatever caused that.

[@citizenkane2349]

It appears the mother is the actual red flag. She basically let her husband kill himself, then she took her son to buy a gun, knowing of all his problems. Seems like she was hoping he would also kill himself. She probably abused him too, hence the three pairs of shorts and his obsession with MLP.

[@melissawardle4206]

@@OscarLangleySoryu genuinely curious, what makes it an OCD sign? could it be the pressure from 3 pairs to calm him or something else?

[@OscarLangleySoryu]

@@melissawardle4206 well it sounds like an obsessive compulsion to me lol

[@boredshrimp9425]

Yes, as a kid I used to wear 8 bras at the same time and exercise with a coat on in the middle of summer due to sexual abuse

[@sznd]

Brandon was allowed to become who he became. All the red flags weren’t taken seriously until it was too late. RIP to the victims 🙏🏾

[@codcastrecall2738]

All the Red Flags, and still nothing would have prevented him from buying America.

[@ansumanc]

Why are your hands so dirty

[@SiriusSphynx]

​@@ansumanc i feel dirty for laughing at that

[@kusogaki_shion]

Liking mlp is the reddest of flags

[@coolkid7377]

@@ansumanc Nigga you just cant be making me laugh at my own skin color like that lmao

[@davidpetrosky]

His mother's response of go ahead, to his father's threat of offing himself, was his first exposure to having indifference to human life. Great example.

[@mrjones2721]

That’s the kind of thing you say when a person has a history of threatening to kill themselves to manipulate you. He’d probably threatened dozens of times before, and she was fed up with it.

[@random6579]

​@@mrjones2721 a kid might not realize that, especially a 4 year old

[@catenjoyer76]

Not the best take. As the comment above said, if someone constantly threatens to kill themselves if you leave them, they're manipulating you. Imagine having to stay with someone you no longer want to be with because of the fear they might off themselves and, because that person has manipulated you, you'd think you are at fault. We don't know if the father had done this before, but the mother saying "go ahead" could be a sign that he had been saying it for a while and she was just tired of hearing it.

[@davidpetrosky]

@@catenjoyer76 i understand the sentiment. My point wasn't that it isn't a place that some people come to emotionally, when dealing with those who say this. My distinction, is in the behavior that we display to our children. I would not allow myself to express this form of indifference in front of them. Period. Even if, i said it to my wife in private. I am always cognizant, and mindful, of my influence on my sons. In all things.

[@DomiaAbrWyrda]

​@@mrjones2721 ah yes victim blaming without knowing any details

[@pearlvampirexkitty]

Samaria Blackwell was one of the victims who didn’t make it. She was my little sister’s friend and I’d known her for years 💔 I remember calling friends who worked at FedEx that night and desperately hoping that no one I knew was a part of it, unfortunately that wasn’t the case. RIP Samaria, she was only 19.

[@DepDawg]

My deepest condolences to you, your sister, and her family and friends 😢 What a terrible tragedy!

[@pyr0pe413]

@@w90213kjfdjn terminally online

[@Dangerznoodlez_]

@@w90213kjfdjn bro log off

[@joachim581]

@@w90213kjfdjn you are a terrible human being

[@Moriah55]

I am so sorry for you and your sisters loss, as well as so many families and friends that are still mourning over this tragedy… may God place his hand on your heart and may you know that Samaria is always with you in spirit and in your heart. 🙏🏻❤️‍🩹

[@_Dambi_]

This kid has shown so many signs. He's even verbalized his own fights with his mental state and how it affected is personal life as well. He clung on to a figure that gave him comfort during his own battle and after it was ripped away he still gave warning. Maybe as a cry for help in his own way. I don't sympathize with him, I pity him. And I don't like how his specialists, detectives, and parents just ignored it... No one was innocent in this aside from the victims.

[@Panzermeiller]

True, he was litteraly crying for help, but they kept ignoring it. He probably felt alone and hopeless, it make me mad how most of this could have been prevented with therapy and not isolating him.

[@SatumainenOlento]

He really needed lots of help and therapy! And would have needed only one person who would been interested to know him and direct his life. He clearly had lots of mental health problems which could been genetic. It would been a struggle for rest of his life to stay ok.

[@georgehill3087]

The mother has sought help many times though.

[@LifesPeachy321]

My sister adopted a child who would later show signs of mental illness. You could tell from the start (she was a newborn when they got her), but you could tell pretty quickly something was off with her...I mean like within the first 2 years. Despite her reaching out to everybody and anybody...they gave her no help...including the police, social services, the hospital and the psyche ward. She tried to kill my sister and her husband on multiple occasions. There is no help for those in need when facing a child who is mentally out of control or at least not in PA. She was finally diagnosed with Bipolar (age 20) and lives with her biological mother, who also has bipolar. The funny thing is we found out they knew she had bipolar, but didn't want to label her at such a young age...so no medicine and no help! Unreal!

[@EternalGalaxies]

I never realized MLP killed off characters, I always thought it was a kid's show but older people watched it as their comfort show *because* almost nothing bad happens So apparently part of the what prompted Brandon to snap was because Applejack dies in the show and it was like the childhood he never had and then it was destroyed? I'm not excusing Brandon at all or blaming the showwriters, but just trying to understand what Brandon's mentality was through these events

[@KC-zm5lg]

19:11 the cut to the applejack pillow as he says "i dont have any mental health issues" took me out

[@Sack_of_Fancy_Glitter]

Not hearing “My Little Pony” in that serious ass voice. 💀

[@accenix4773]

As someone going into social work, particularly mental health, it never ceases to amaze me how horrible the system is, red flags ignored, releasing people who are potentially dangerous, not allowing people to get the treatment they need, and general laziness by the system. I don't understand how stuff like this isn't seen as treatable and preventable.

[@CNYKnifeNut]

More tax cuts!! Sorry to break it to you, but providing actual care to the mentally ill is soshulizm!

[@gungalgeno-7077]

We should rlly open back the asylums. Give people proper treatment while also keeping at risk patients away from other people

[@jazflanagan8693]

Well, let's hope you don't become as callous and lazy as the majority of social workers seem to become. As it stands, most people know that the job of social workers is to keep children out of homes that are actually good for them, return children to homes that abuse and kill them, and accept compensation to place children in the care of pedophiles. You have a hard road ahead of you; one that breaks down the moral walls of many that got into the field to help children, at first.

[@cagephillips1916]

It’s the drugs wake up. Over 90% of killers are on psych meds.

[@accenix4773]

@@cagephillips1916 That’s incorrect. People with severe conditions need medication, particularly psychotic state or manic state disorders, or they could be dangerous to themselves or others. I’m a firm believer medication isn’t for everyone but for some people it’s needed. The meds aren’t perfect obviously, but without the meds they’re more likely to be dangerous. And not everyone with these disorders are dangerous to begin with, as it is individual dependant.

[@Katzzz01]

Damn, guess friendship didn't teach him everything.

[@Pandorarules]

The power of friendship failed

[@kazza6078]

Is it sad to say how refreshing/rare it is to hear a dispatcher provide comfort and warmth? So many of these true crime stories you hear dispatchers just bring absolute dillholes to the point that I am now afraid to call one if I need to. I'm glad to hear this small hopeful detail in such a sad case

[@hia5235]

Doesnt matter the cops took so long. Theyre only afraid for their own lives.

[@beneire6955]

Year agreed I live in Ireland and watch videos where these dispatchers make me so angry,it’s like they’re thinking ah fk it I’ll be finished work in an hour let’s just get this call over with Should be a major rethink of how they’re trained

[@mikeoxlong1395]

They're EMERGENCY dispatchers, not your security blankets. THeir job is to asses the situation, determine weather there is an emergency and what type of emergency as to send the proper service to the location (another thing they need to learn before hand). Depending on the time of day, your average dispatcher has been exposed to such lovely calls including but not limited to: children calling for help after a parent is injured and unresponsive, domestic disputes (often ongoing during the time of the call), various medical emergencies involving scared panicking people, or just plain old dumb shit, all the while they have more calls on the line. Day after day, after day. If you are hesitant to call emergency services because you're afraid somebody is not gonna kiss your booboo and tell you everything is going to be alright then you simply aren't having an emergency. When our car crashed and my mother now had a brand new joint between her elbow and her her shoulder, i was relieve when i got into a spot that had a signal. I didn't care about the tone the rando on the other side of the call answered. When my father had a heart attack, the only glimmer of hope my, at the time, 10 year old ass had was a quick response and the ambulance that arrived in a few minutes. One of the nurses that was present at the time, that now works with me, told me that she is sorry that they lost sight of me when that happened. Who cares? THey came to try and save my father's life, wasting time on me would have only decreased their already slim chances of bringing him back. You're afraid of calling "dillholes" who work as a connection between people in need and on site crews who're supposed to help them? Pray to whatever god you think might be listening so nothing bad actually happens to you because we both know you wouldn't be able to take it.

[@kazza6078]

@Mike Oxlong hi please get some help for the mental health crisis my comment clearly caused you

[@lavishlyvice]

@@mikeoxlong1395 jesus christ dude

[@LHSMeleeClub]

dude was too busy being in love with Applejack that he ignored all the friendship lessons that MLP FiM offers smhhhhh

[@ladymire]

It’s crazy how people become mass shooters, and what deviates people away from it. I was a recluse from society as a teenager, and felt much of the same as Brandon did; depressed, a loner, feelings of rejection and anger at this rejection, and I wanted to hurt people. But I NEVER actually attempted to ACT on these thoughts. What made me different from Brandon? This is why I received my degree in psychology, because I was just so interested in learning why.

[@CrystalRose1111]

I mean. While the psyche degree is nice, the only real thing that keeps people from doing it is either morals or fear of consequence, or both. Some people just snap, some don’t have a conscience/lose their conscience. I went through a lot and personally I can’t even relate to wanting to commit violence. If anything I just wanted them to feel bad for what they did

[@bibelow1377]

the difference is that he is a man, just like all the other mass shooters :)

[@geckopecko]

i had a pretty identical life too and what stopped me was pretty much that i loved my parents (who tried their best at giving me the best life they could, although they often failed) and i didn't want to burden them with the consequences of my actions. probably would've been different if they hadnt been loving parents

[@ntbored7727]

Did you have people by your side? I don’t wanna give excuses for Brandon but the mother is definitely weird

[@IndrasChildDeepAsleep]

I was the same, interested in psych for the same reason, amongst others

[@mangonion5085]

I actually had a very similar childhood to this man, crazy to see how different our lives ended up. My father killed himself in nearly the exact same way. My parents had an argument, he said if she left he would kill himself, she left with us and came back to him dead in the backyard having hung himself. I was only 2 years old at the time so it didnt affect me much and I grew up with a single mother for the rest of my life. Crazy to think how similar my upbringing was to this young man, and how differently our stories went.

[@anonymouslyan0nymous]

your mom was likely not an actual monster like his i’m assuming?

[@daveyon_1046]

im so sorry for what you and your family had to go through

[@DRdheez]

Im so sorry for you're loss but ending it up like Brandon is fcked up

[@mitchjohnson4714]

Saying he did this because is his dad is and insult to people like your, who have gone through similar or worse trauma and still become good kind-hearted people.

[@e.zwegat7130]

@@mitchjohnson4714you don’t know for sure they’re a good hearted or kind person

[@ZeonicZaku1-Zeon_Grunt_Suit]

With a Mom like that, this kid was doomed from the start.

[@CarlyKleve]

The fear in the callers' voices is heartbreaking. I felt so scared for them, even though this has already passed. Im so sorry for all the lives lost.

[@ibuprofenPill]

I cannot be the only one furious after watching this? WTF did his mother and the counselor need, a goddamn neon sign above the kid’s head? His mother was in complete denial. This case is one of the most damning indictments of a failed system I’ve ever seen.

[@electricjoshaloo]

and how was he legally able to buy firearms? Gun laws in the US are completely insane.

[@underhandedjoe568]

​@Ian Texas this isn't a failure of Gun laws, this is a MASSIVE failure of local law enforcement and, shicker shocker, the FBI.

[@underhandedjoe568]

@Ian Texas what are you on about? The guy was clearly a lunatic. I also never said ANYTHING about Biden, or student loans, or "confederates". The guy wanted to kill and bc the system failed to label him as "Dangerous" he was allowed to buy the gun. Stop blaming a tool for what a crazy person does.

[@allnightfright619]

@@ipresnell Purchasing a gun that way is illegal. I am going to guess you are just gaslighting to push your want for all guns to be banned because you are a member of a political party that says that, not because you put any thought into the subject or have any concrete understadning. Criminals buy illegal guns that are smuggled in through the border on the south all the time just like drugs. both kill people, and drugs kill and ruin more lives than guns, but I don't see you or anyone pushing for more sever drug laws. In fact, the government provides drugs to people in the most liberal cities. I guess its easier to control gun addicts than it is to control gun owners. You know what else is illegal, murder. Oddly enough, like with drugs, anti-gun people push for lighter criminal sentences and removed the death penalty for murder. Those laws becoming more lax are totally ok with most anti-gun people. It seems the anti gun thing isn't about saving lives and making things safe, it's about getting rid of something that seems scary. It ignores the fact that the number of violent situations stopped by guns far out weigh the loss of life by guns, but weighing factors isn't something people who just hate an object or want to fit in with their political party want to think abut. It seems like laws do not prevent any of these things, especially if no one is reporting them. You make more laws and good people don't get guns but those intent on breaking the "don't do murder" law aren't going to hesitate the "not allowed to buy a gun law." Also, to legally purchase a gun you need to have a permit which requires you to be run through multiple federal background checks and submit fingerprints to law enforcement. Then each time you go to purchase a gun you are forced to wait a few days while you are again run through federal checks. Each gun sale, even private ones must be reported to the state and federal government as well. No where is it legal to just sell a gun at a yard sale with no record or reporting. People may do it, but like drugs and stealing, and robbery, and murder it is not legal despite what some disingenuous person on the internet claims. If every FedEx employee was carrying a gun, this murdered (which I'll remind you there are laws against murder yet this kid still did it) would have been stopped right away. It has happened in the past a great many times, armed law abiding citizens shut down a would be murdered.

[@hakeemolajuwon4352]

​@@electricjoshaloo How TF do you just ignore the FBI amping him up and the clinic not actually giving him therapy and allowing him to be released immediately?! I know, cuz you're complete fools

[@sidDkid87]

*_Am I the only one who noticed the mother's callous response to her husband's threat to kill himself: "go ahead"..._*

[@gabrielbaker1249]

I rarely see memorials for the victims. This brought me to tears. :( I hope their families are healing and can find peace one day in the chaos that rippled through their lives.

[@oliviaperry6630]

At the FedEx there is a memorial for the victims, and they have their own headstones in the ground.

[@oliviaperry6630]

I knew two of the people that lost their lives, this video was hard to watch but i couldn’t not watch it knowing the video is out.

[@the_pinkie_pie]

Mlp is like one of the most colorful comfy shows for me how does someone who loves it end up doing something like this

[@MedievalTrap]

Because he had horrible parents that abused him

[@Orphan_of_Gwyn]

I mean... there's also Chris Chan that did a horrific thing to his mother.

[@LilKardboard]

Exactly it's like, isn't the main lesson to be friendly and kind and that friendship is one of the most valuable things in life? One has to wonder how that leads someone like this kid to murder, it feels disingenuous for them to blame any amount on his obsession with the show and not all the clear other issues and possibly some unclear/unstated issues with his general home life

[@AQGamer525]

That's when we watching it but at the background it has a dark story. I'm also a MLP fan but this can be a dark history in MLP history

[@123451248ify]

@@MedievalTrap His father died and the mother was the one being abused by Brandon. Do you people even watch the video before commenting?

[@xposed235]

Mother of the year right here... first she tells his father to kill himself (The way she said it here is so casual like she does not regret her words) then she takes the kid to the gun store well after the issues began and she has the nerve to act like she did all she could to help him. You know he blamed her for his father's suicide. He may have did the act but this all could have been avoided if the mother wasn't a sack of shit.

[@ledam2654]

It's awful, but I know people whose own parents told THEM to kill themselves and they've killed no one.

[@kayyjohnson8325]

I’m pretty sure the dad said multiple times that he was gonna kill his self before. That’s a form of manipulation so she prob thought he wasn’t serious since he most likely said it plenty of times in the past

[@tapwaterfiend]

⁠@@richardsamueljordan1569 Another mass shooting committed by a man? Nothing unusual. Just a man being a man.

[@skaptikl]

@@kayyjohnson8325killing yourself isn’t a form of manipulation. Granted he may have had serious mental issues other than depression but most people who actually kill themselves aren’t doing it for gain such as manipulation. Most people who practice manipulation of this level are narcissists, and narcissists often only value their own life. This is why it is very unlikely that the father was attempting manipulation.

[@kayyjohnson8325]

@@skaptikl I didn’t say k!lling yourself is manipulation, I said he probably said it multiple times before in the past & then he actually killed his self so she prob thought he wasn’t serious. Also a lot of people do say it as a form of manipulation so they partner can stay and feel bad. I have d3pression my self so I kno the feeling.

[@joannecleve4718]

This kid needed help after his dad COMMITED SUICIDE! Losing your father too suicide he should have had immediate counselling and follow ups for several years. This is absolutely horrible. RIP to the victims and I pray the survivors and families get immediate help now.

[@inheritmyshoes9559]

Seeing that mannequin in his closet... I mean this kid was broken. This is on so many people.

[@NathalieCwiekSwiercz]

I absolutely agree! That "mother" is the reason for ALL OF THIS, she drove both her husband AND son to kill themselves! She's nothing more than a monster, and she broke that child, just as she did to his father. She should be in jail until her Last breath. I would never dream of ever saying this about another human, but in this case, I fully believe this to be the truth, and she is no human. Her last words at the end was to protect her image and look like shes so full of empathy, but she just showed what a disgusting piece of trash she is. I'm ofc not excusing what a horrific thing he did, and I stabs with those victims, but two things can be true at once, at he was a victim to. His so called mother should be prosecuted, god I'm furious

[@Lexthebarbarian]

Got nothing to do with that at all. The boy was a genetic disaster and a lowlife ticking bomb from day one.

[@horsewithnoteeth3348]

He is a killer no sympathy

[@lo.lo_marie]

Exactly. Children of suicidal parents have an incredibly high risk of being suicidal themselves

[@hopscotch5872]

Unbelievable how he had all these psychological profiles and a history of violence that could be corroborated by his guardian and likely his school and he still was able to purchase a gun

[@mushroompot8931]

Exactly it's generally disturbing how oblivious the professionals were to the signs

[@eliteguard225]

The FBI got involved and they let him off scott free despite saying he had all the hallmarks of a mass shooter. It's almost like it was their intention to let him do it

[@ScwJGX]

It's a a recurring theme with mass shootings. It's almost as if the powers at be have ulterior motives.

[@ewrgaming]

This might be the only sort of case where a man shouldn’t be legally allowed to buy a firearm.

[@damnianos2557]

@@ewrgaming hardly the only

[@caitlinmyriah7657]

When the woman realized it was an officer and not Brandon, the sound of her voice took my breath and made me tear up. I just remember the relief I felt when I saw the cops the night I experienced the worst thing of my life. My door was kicked in while I was home alone with my 4yo son. He had a huge kitchen knife in each hand and one came only a few inches from my face. Every time I thought he wasn’t paying attention, I’d try to get my son and myself out the door to run. He caught me about 3 times and that’s when I came face to face with the knife. So I’d just throw my body over my son to protect him as best as I could. Finally we were able to get out without him knowing and I ran!! Barefoot and piss pouring rain, carrying my 4yo and trying to run like a track star. All I could think was “don’t fall. Make it to the neighbor” because I felt like he was behind me and knew he’d stab me if I fell. I get to the neighbor and run in the door and asked for her phone and dialed 911. The dispatcher wanted me to walk back over to meet with them (they’d already cleared my house), but I asked her to send a cop over to walk with me. I was too afraid he’d be hiding in a bush or something. There’s a bit more to the story, but that would take an even lonnngerrr comment. But that’s the gist of it all. So I can relate to that feeling. Though I’ve never been through this situation and pray I never have to!! It just brought back memories when I heard her say that.

[@Coffeehouse_Latte]

Jesus, lady. I hope you and your boy are doing much better now. I can't imagine going through something like that. God bless you. Have a nice day wherever you are.

[@Name-bb8wo]

dam

[@X1ZR]

@@steveoo410 facts

[@hazehardy]

I wanna know the story

[@Torbintime]

@@steveoo410 or you know, make it harder for my little pony obsessed psychos to buy assault rifles like in every other normal country so you guys wouldn't have 10 times the mass shootings than the rest of the world.

[@snowdoll622]

There is something so disturbing about Bronies. It would be weird for adult women to be so obsessed with a children’s show to that degree. When it comes to men it’s so much more disturbing.

[@SkylerGhostly]

"I wanna go home..." I couldn't stop myself from just crying after this...That's gut-wrenching ....

[@personwholovesailorm]

"I'm going to commit die" "Go ahead" Jesus, I can't imagine a more cruel or heartless thing to say to anyone experiencing that level of self loathing. I don't know what the guy was like but that stung for me as someone who has tried to end their own life. It's no wonder her kid turned into a monster, his mom was probably more dismissive of his problems than she let on or probably even encouraged him to bottle it up. Him being obsessed with MLP is understandable, the characters live in a much better place than he did and he likely got enraged at the unfairness of it all. It does not excuse his actions at all but God does it explain a lot.

[@FrogWithAngerissues]

yeah he prob really missed his dad its sad

[@KP-vf3jh]

That's a very common thing abusers say to their victims when they are trying to leave. It forces the victims to stay back with their abusers. It's very rare that the abusers actually go through with their threat to suicide. I won't be surprised if the father had said that same threat to the mother multiple times leading her to become numb to it.

[@KP-vf3jh]

I would really recommend you to read up on how toxic abusers try to blackmail their victims to stop them from leaving.

[@batata4427]

I can imagine a more heartless thing to do actually, using suicid3 as a threat to your wife to try and manipulate her to stay with you, only for it to not work and you go ahead and do it in front of your kid. But no, let's blame it on the mother

[@123451248ify]

Della Reese went through a similar thing when she refused to go back to her abusive husband. She opened the window that he threatened to jump out of. She, like Sheila, knew her husband was using that as a manipulation tactic. If Brandon's father is resorting to suicide to try to keep his family together, chances are it's not a healthy relationship.

[@Stephaniewashere]

The mom tried to get him help more than once. That goes to show that real "help" is VERY hard to come by. I had a normal, nice friend with a psychotic son. At 2 years old he spit on and cursed a priest who was baptising him. He wrote in notebooks that he was going to r-pe his little sister and kill all of them. She never gave up on him and tried so hard to get him help. Later on he was in the news for calling her from jail and telling her he was going to get out and kill her. So many parents out there feel helpless and alone because there is so little they can do. Professionals are not taught how to really help people, just how to medicate them... Which can make them worse. I truly believe this mom thought he was going to use the gun on himself.

[@problemchild8976]

Oppositional Defiant Disorder is horrific. I'm so sorry about your friend. It seems sometimes that there is no help until they seriously hurt someone

[@Stephaniewashere]

@@problemchild8976 Exactly 😞 I just know he will be in the news again at some point for murdering someone. As a mother myself, I cannot fathom what my friend has gone through for the past 23 years. She has struggled with debilitating health issues that were likely caused by stress and anxiety about her son.

[@nataliasophia32]

It's so scary that in a country where guns are so easy to come by mental health is not taken seriously. Put that together with the difficulty to obtain higher education and a well-paying job for average folks and you have a recipe for disaster. If they couldn't help him (which they should be able to) at least they should have isolated him in a mental hospital.

[@LottieTrueman]

Nah bro even put my little pony stickers on his guns....how can u be obsessed with a show about love, kindness and friendship and not learn anything??

[@SephOgreThe3rd]

"don't look at my computer" "what they found on his computer..." that was some timing gold right there.

[@somecupcakes]

16:57 I can't even begin to imagine the terror she felt when she wasn't sure if he came back or it was an officer.

[@mamamua4644]

I was reading this as I saw it and was when I started to get teary eyed. Damn this is so effing sad.

[@caleblawrence2743]

whole situation is gut wrenching but this one really hit me.

[@jimmyelkordy3752]

You can hear the fear when she said “or is it him again?”

[@AfterHourswAdriana]

How the mom allowed him to buy a gun in front of her is beyond me, im sorry but thats just outright idiotic behaviour.

[@maddieb.4282]

QUESTION ABOUT THE CHANNEL: I’m really curious about what your “team of psychological professionals” looks like on this channel (citing the description.) How many professionals do you have on the team and what degrees/qualifications do they have? Are they just consultants or the ones writing the episodes? Do the writers and editors have a background in psych? Is anyone on the team currently practicing in a medical/provider setting or are their backgrounds in research/academia? Fascinated to learn more about this if you decide to be more transparent about it

[@ellaehayward]

in other more recent videos (mainly the behavioural analysis videos) they list the people involved, including their qualifications

[@kawaii33366]

EWU has gone down hill man

[@404-COMMUNICATIONERROR]

They don't exist, lmao. I really have no idea why people believe any of the shit on this page. This channel is pure garbage. All they do is stalk murder cases, harass victims for "interviews" and spout bullshit for an hour.

[@NemesisDawn]

Brandon screamed for help as his demons devoured him by telling his mother, his mental health worker and detectives that he was a danger to society... Sadly, no one listened. I mostly blame Brandon's mother. She knew her son was unhinged, she knew he was violent, yet, she still drove him to purchase his first gun. She had to have known he later bought the AR15 and had it in the home. I personally believe she was hoping Brandon would go out like this.

[@x4iaw931]

Its easy for you to say no. If your violent weird son lives with you and refuses to leave, youd probably just do as he says too

[@Masked_ghsot_riley.offical]

@@x4iaw931 i wouldn't then again mothers like her fail more and more because they don't listen its simple really

[@jojoflap]

@@x4iaw931 I'd send him off to a military academy. If my kid charged at me with a knife the last thing I would do is buy him a gun.

[@AdamK370]

i agree the system and his mother failed brandon but this is complete conjecture on a real person. she was hoping he would go out like this? she was hoping hed kill people and then himself? she called the police and therapists for him multiple times. why does it sound like youre blaming her more than the actual killer?

[@hagelslag9312]

@@AdamK370 Because people look for 'explanations'/solutions/answers. They find it difficult to comprehend there isn't always a solution or an answer. They don't consider other issues like, maybe the mother had her own mental health issues and eventually gave up (buying a gun so he'd maybe end his life). She tried what she was capable of, but for outsiders it's never enough. It's always easy to say if you're not living it. Personally I am most concerned the professionals in the field did not pick up on what could have been prevented, leaving less capable people (the mother) to solve the problem that's too big for her. It's really clear a majority of people don't seem to get it that this is a common issue and could happen to anyone. And this case is a prime example that WILL happen again.

[@Elizabeth-iv3gn]

Brandon literally looks like human version of Squidward from Spongebob 😂🤭

[@brotherdave913]

Lol

[@ThyNightOwl_]

Those calls are heartbreaking. Tears sprung to my eyes when Judy said "It's a police officer!" What an awfully sad situation all around.

[@cagneybillingsley2165]

so many of the defund the police types would react the same way if they were in such a situation. hypocrites.

[@maschaorsomething]

@@cagneybillingsley2165 You are aware of why people want to defund the police, yeah? So they can actually be used for extreme situations and not when there are homeless people or folks with mental illness/disability, at the risk of being killed, because the police is not trained/meant for such cases, yeah? Also, they wouldn't have to react the same way in the first place if there weren't guns sold like candy anyways.

[@KO-im9bs]

@@cagneybillingsley2165 lmao the police still can’t do their jobs with more funding so

[@joeffe8010]

Bro typed that comment like it's 7th grade creative writing.

[@jasonatr0n]

ACAB

[@joshuawagner1149]

I love how we're all talking about how the doctors or psychologists screwed up and how obsessed he was with MLP, but almost nothing about how easily this person got a firearm to begin with, regardless of his long history of anger and mental health issues.

[@nataliasophia32]

The whole issue is those two put together. How do you have such easy access to guns while your professionals can't even do their jobs correctly. The police was crazy for this too; the families of victims should sue them because how do you know that a person is crazy and in possession of a gun but not take it seriously.

[@CinnamonLibrary]

In America it's easier to buy a firearm than alcohol.

[@itrashcant7947]

America moment.

[@sweedy6647]

That’s what I was wondering, didn’t the detective say Brandon could be flagged as a “dangerous person” preventing him from buying guns? The way the detective was reassuring the mom that this label wasn’t a criminal record and virtually no one would be able to see it, I thought for sure Brandon was flagged and wouldn’t be able to have such a huge shopping list.

[@vast9467]

You can do anything you want if you don’t give a shit about consequences. If the people who sold the gun knew about his issues he wouldn’t have it.

[@WildVee]

It's eerie to know that those life-size pony plushies were actually commissioned and I know who the artist is. They're commissioned from Ponimalion by Brandon and they cost *a lot,* almost a grand. The fact he has two.. I wonder if the artist knows about what one of their commissioners did and how old he was. I'd be mortified..

[@WildVee]

Oh reading this comment back, it may come off as shaming, apologies!! No shame to the artist at all. Ponimalion is so talented! It was shocking to immediately recognize their plushies because I loved them when I was still part of the fandom. Lol! It's a weird feeling to have shared in the same likings as a mvrderer..

[@Garden0flowr]

there is nothing wrong with liking MLP as a boy, teen, or adult. What is wrong here is the way no one cared very much about improving his life or behavior, passively letting him become a monster. If the life around him was better, its possible MLP would have merely been a comforting interest, instead of a highly destructive obsession.

[@mostarac94]

🤨

[@Fallen608]

I disagree. A teenage boy with an obsession for a children’s pony show is a big red flag they are not maturing properly.

[@danielx22]

Grown men liking a show for little girls... definitely something wrong with that. You got some screws loose

[@jaynestrange]

@@Fallen608 Idk, a lot of grown men are into superhero cartoons & that's not a big deal. It's the *obsession* that's the issue, not the show. A lot of well adjusted adults sometimes watch kids' shows as a way of unwinding after a stressful day or of reconnecting with their childhood.

[@MrJack556]

Definitely something wrong with that. What planet do you live in?

[@Cryinginthecloudssss]

I can’t say I’m surprised applejack was his favorite… I feel for the creators of mlp they had to deal with so much fucked up shit from simply making a show about ponies

[@skulletonn]

litteraly

[@amiraa_...]

How come you arent suprised? Im just intrested

[@skulletonn]

@@amiraa_... cause Applejack is pro

[@amiraa_...]

@@skulletonn good point

[@Tijopi11]

There's a joke in the fandom that Applejack is the best side character. The show had a cast of 6 main characters and a host of side characters, and Applejack didn't get as much personality and love as the others. A lot of loners identify with characters they perceive as lovable underdogs, and Applejack probably fit that image in this guy's mind.

[@brendanmatelan2129]

I’m a man in my 20s, I like plush toys every now and again, but would never let it go to the extent that this evil, young killer did.

[@PIB2000]

This dude was basically the brony fandom's very own Randy Stair.

[@defyyourlogic487]

He was a brony too lol

[@andrewwbj]

@@defyyourlogic487 No randy stair was a ghost girl fan or sum like that

[@jessica-wk8vg]

@@andrewwbj he made ember ghost squad off the girl from Danny phantom lol

[@andrewwbj]

@@jessica-wk8vg I knew it was something like that lmao

[@alexgomez6723]

And people say the Sonic fanbase is crazy. As cringe as they can be , they at least haven’t produced a murderer.

[@ThomasJackPotter]

It’s insane how much this channel has changed. Just want to say congrats to the people who run the channel. Very very impressive.

[@TaxationIsTheft439]

Sounds like the gov turned this kid into a killer

[@Alianger]

They exploit pain and suffering for views lol

[@Zaay446]

@@Alianger so does every news channel in existence, whats your point?

[@Alianger]

@@Zaay446 No there are obviously different ways of reporting on crime and tragedy so as not to turn it into entertainment

[@FazedSoul]

Poor brandon, his childhood was stolen from him by seeing the horror of his father's action. And that hanging doll in the wardrobe is freaking cursed. God save us.

[@cyberdagger7045]

My older brothers wife was on maternity leave during this time. Luckily. I worked at the express building at the time of the shooting. I’m just glad it didn’t spread out to my work. I feel bad for the victims and I hope that some peace that the shooter is no longer able to hurt others. I remember how my mother felt when I called her after work. First thing I did was call her when I got off work. Scared the crap out of her. Due to my ringtone. But she was happy to hear that it wasn’t my building that was the location. It was just five minutes away from the express building.

[@NicomitnemC]

holy shit. hope you are doing fine, i don't really think that's a thing i would live happily with knowing this happened 5 minutes away from me.

[@_deekay-]

indianimals 🫡

[@neroultimate1]

Nice to find a fellow Hoosier in the wild

[@callate5898]

this dude a brony too 🚩

[@cyberdagger7045]

@@callate5898 gonna be honest I can’t change the profile pic. Kinda pisses me off about it but what ever. I made this account when I was a lot younger

[@610Hobbies]

If Pony afterlife exists, I'm pretty sure Applejack wouldn't wanna have to do anything with a mass killer, hope she bucks him in the nuts for eternity.

[@unkn0wn_aft0n]

If I see him, he's gonna die.

[@ashidosa]

@@unkn0wn_aft0nhe killed himself though

[@gracehasnograce]

May the victims rest in peace, my heart goes out to the families of the victims, this is awful.

[@reaganpogue9279]

That last sentence was actually so sad. Holy cow that sent shivers down my spine.

[@ponkus1085]

mental health needs to be taken more seriously in the US. We would not have situations like this happen if we cared for people more than we care for money. My best wishes go out to the families of all the victims and the people who survived this ordeal.

[@bentonrp]

Yeah, everyone here in the U.S. is insane for easy money. Everyone that I've ever met anyway. Morals, self respect, personal growth mean nothing to them. Those are all just simple obstacles to them, standing in their way of that easy fortune that "they were destined to have." They're all insane. And they're all insane liars. They think we can't tell. But we can. We can see it clear as day. There are only a few here that are still good. And of course, the elderly as well as the children.

[@le_th_]

Parenting needs to be taken more seriously in the US. Parents make these kids develop personality disorders.

[@zadinal]

Oddly enough we used to take this more seriously but we did away with asylums and sanitariums and it actually had nothing to do with money. There were actually horrible abuses in some of them, its a dark rabbit hole I don't recommend. That being said we actually need to bring those back but WITH oversight.

[@Cloud_976]

agree. I also don't love how his mental illness was portrayed in this video, as an autistic person myself, his autism diagnosis and struggles with ocd being described as reaching "peak madness" is highly insensitive and inacurrate

[@DescendDab]

@@zadinal it baffles me how incredibly awful mental institutes are in certain parts of the world. It's the most backwards thing ever

[@damienwit]

Therapists are supposed to alert someone if their patient is a danger to themselves or others. This tragedy could have been stopped if his therapist told someone, like they're supposed to.

[@dirtpounder]

All involved failed miserably

[@lostinaroom5551]

You know I sat down and watched a little bit of that My Little Pony with my little sister and it’s a really cute show with a positive message. Ironically this guy didn’t even benefit from that.

[@grygyurin]

“i grieve more for those people than i do for you” this shouldn’t come out of the mouth of the woman who drove him to the gun store knowing all his mental issues 💀

[@Fallout3131]

I mean to be fair she tried atleast 7 different times in the video to get him checked out, and brought him to 3 different therapists. I would say the red flag system failed alot more than her, she obviously was trying to get assistance.

[@johnbugosi171]

Weird kinda histrionic personality for that 'mother'.

[@EliteAaron]

@@Fallout3131 She was probably hoping he would just shoot himself

[@se_eikeboom6891]

@@Fallout3131 Trust me, perhaps she is mental herself, I feel like she is a big part in this. Perhaps a borderliner

[@Emilythematerialgurl]

@@Fallout3131 doesn't matter if she knew before way before he was an adult he was mental and ill he told doctors when he was a teen he was dangerous to society and wanted to end his life his mom did take him to get help but let him drop out of it

[@PotRoast666]

This happened right next to my home, I was out that night with my partner grabbing some food to eat. Cops everwhere, EMS, fire engines you name it. Had no idea what was going on until I stopped at a corner store that's at one of the exits to the industrial that a lot of the warehouse workers frequent. The worker behind the counter was the one to inform me of the shooting, the atmosphere around for miles was so strange and surreal that night.

[@LewisBowels]

The "Here's your sign" comment he made against his mom was a direct attack at her for failing to stop his father from killing himself but her comment back to him showed she didn't care about him. It seems she not just resented Brandon but genuinely hated him as well at some point. I think he had such an obsession with MLP because it was probably one of the only things that calmed him down and provided an escape from his thoughts for the time being. He probably internalized himself into the show as a further escape and it wouldn't surprise me if he made fanfics with him and Applejack. It's sad, really. He held so much hatred against his own mother and felt she failed him by leaving his father and allowing the father to hang himself but it's more sad seeing how much of a failed system we have when it comes to seeing a mental health specialist and the proof of what happens when these people finally accept the thought of "I am now truly alone. Nobody cares." I think the mother brought him to the gun store hoping he would kill himself that night. A sad story and a sad outcome.

[@aceclop]

The first part lowkey truu

[@reefread1234]

i agree with your observations also it seems as though she loathed her son as he was a part of the thing she hated, the father like as if dude was a parasite

[@RealDexterMidnight]

That to I myself is a furry and I am in the fandom just to escape real life and enjoy My mom hates it XD but oh well Wrlm all have different opinions But I do thank k that's what is happening

[@gary.richardson]

Having a fragile father didn't help either. Kids look up to their parents for signs of how to handle life. What this kid needed was a survivor as a lead influencer even if the mom was toxic. If the mother had showed concern for her son's weakness instead of being tough to someone regressed to elementary school age it may have encouraged him to try to do something with his life. Having a father figure is very important and my instinct says the mother had little clue of his needs.

[@garybuttherissilent5896]

Best comment here

[@OhCeCelia]

Nothing against My little Pony, but why was a boy his age obsessed with them PLUS violence. Strange mystery..🤔

[@ivyward1393]

its wild how many warning signs this kid showed. there were even fbi agents involved and he still committed a mass shooting

[@ericmurphy9934]

I love how disgustingly out of context they present these stories, and the causes of the incident... No, it had absolutely nothing to do with the chronic depression, or the abusive treatment. No, it was all just the ponies... 🙄

[@NoxiRad]

still an interesting case tho

[@elnombre5597]

I agree i feel like they almost overlooked the major amount of diagnosis' and trauma in this video and tried to focus it on his my little pony obsession, like that definitely has far more to do with this tragedy instead of the fact that the mental health system clearly had some failures here and didn't do enough to prevent this despite knowing he was a danger to people.

[@heroinboblivesagain5478]

Hm. I wonder why youre so defensive about it. Could it be you know its weird y'all like a show made for little girls?

[@ericmurphy9934]

@heroinboblivesagain5478 Are you really so insecure that you resort to this gradeschool level tactics. I'm sorry that you father didn't love you enough, but you should really grow up.

[@cutestvictem]

@@heroinboblivesagain5478 no, i think it comes from the annoyance people feel when they hear someone says that video games/shows cause violence (in this case My little pony). Blaming it on something else instead of the actual problems is irresponsible on their part and it overshadows the kids deteriorating mental health and this video is like "oooh ponies." I would know since my dad doesn't let me talk to my mom anymore because he thinks she's the problem but i've had mental health issues for years.

[@leet7489]

Its ridiculous that he was only diagnosed with depression and anxiety. That psychiatrist mustve been terrible at their job

[@ashm.5899]

Yeah that rocking back and forth is peak autism, from what I've heard.

[@PositiveVibesOnly37]

This was really, really hard to watch without crying. I'm not new to the true crime community at all, but hearing these people pleading and begging for help hit me hard. I've never had a case affect me in this way before. I don't even know what to say. I can't see through my tears as I write this. My heart goes out to everyone affected in this case and I wish you all the best.

[@cnelson1614]

Very sad lives that were led

[@flixs1353]

@@cnelson1614 what a crybaby

[@flixs1353]

@@cnelson1614 what a crybaby

[@Caiterlin]

I came here to say exactly this but didnt know how to word it. There is something so horrifying about shootings like this. People just living their lives, in a place that they should be safe. Some sick person comes around and just decides he will end them. It's so horrifying. I work as a retail manager and am terrified of something like this happening at my store.

[@errornull390]

What a crybaby

[@M23js]

The biggest red flag I have heard anywhere: when there is a sudden uptick in mood.. SOMETHING is gunna happen.. and it's never good. "They were so depressed until a week ago" "Alla the sudden, the depression just went away" And then the person kills themselves..

[@cody42693]

Yeah this is so strange

[@tw1c356]

Well thats not very "friendship is magic" of him😒

[@lucyjane12cruz]

She knew exactly who he was and she drove him to the gun store. I will never understand.

[@Inspectorzinn2]

wtf are you smoking. His mom got that gun confiscated by doing everything in her power to report him and got the police to confiscate it. He got smarter and made sure to buy the next one secretly

[@lilyt18]

Just another day in America. 😒

[@BabyBoy_Milo]

Same reason rittenhouse’s (mom? Friend? I can’t remember which) went and bought him an AR-15 bc he was too young to buy one. What the hell do they think will happen?

[@Jacket01]

@@BabyBoy_Milo Rittenhouse used his lawfully though. Self defense.

[@Inspectorzinn2]

​@@BabyBoy_Milo are you really so stupid as to not comprehend basic information? Let's see Mom took him to a regular store like Walmart/Big 5 that happen to sell guns, kid (an adult) bought the gun (shotgun) against mothers wishes, Mom contacted police and mental health to get the gun confiscated, and prevented a mass shooting. Kid got wise, secretly bought an AR-15, and did a mass shooting. Try using your brain cells for once.

[@DreamwalkerFilms]

When you're driving your son to the gun store and he points out suicide stickers on the cars passing by. "This is fine."

[@brandonlong7866]

I was disturbed to hear the fear in everyone’s voices. All the cries and for help made me get teary-eyed!

[@Mafia_Japan]

It made my blood pressure boil up

[@gameplaygirl3268]

Literally heartbreaking listening to the caller's. I could never imagine being in a situation like this, and it's just so so heartbreaking hearing them begging for help. Can't believe how mother actually took him to a gun store and let him buy a gun, knowing his mental health issues and knowing he had anger issues. I don't see the point in anyone needing a gun, unless they're a hunter or something like that

[@imwinningthisone7613]

And hunters are not needed, because food is produced en masse.

[@TedCruzatemybaby]

@@imwinningthisone7613 Found the bootlicker

[@mylittlebrushstrokes]

@@qwddqwqwdqwdwqdqwqwqwd the problem is rock / hammer / knife can’t do the same level of harm a gun can. I’m sure you’re one of the responsible owners but the truth is many people (young / with mental illness) act on impulse and rage so easy access to a firearm is definitely not a good idea. Also, one would think twice before attacking someone with a knife coz you need to attack closeup and possibly lose in the fight but with a gun you’re less likely to hesitate before you attack.

[@lasergabe]

@@qwddqwqwdqwdwqdqwqwqwd Hunters hunt for entertainment.

[@giygas79]

The problem with deciding to not own a gun is that you are also deciding that you completely trust the police to keep you safe. Recent events have shown us that they are not folks you should trust at least 100% of the time with your life, and some places have police response times that rival the cooking time for Easy Mac. This kid should not have had a gun, and his mother is partially to blame for enabling this to begin with, but saying that “nobody needs a gun” is a sentiment that goes out the door as soon as you try taking a walk in downtown Baltimore Anyway point being the brony kid is cringe and his mom was derelict

[@lil.lith1510]

19:28 applejack already was dead. I mean look at her. I don’t want to imagine what he did with this little plush. It’s looks rough. That is concerning as well.

[@LauraSquirrel]

Yeah. That is beyond messed up

[@chukelbox]

Jeez, did he F the plushie?

[@lil.lith1510]

@@chukelbox im not saying this, I don’t wanna spread rumours and ✨mIsInFoRmAtIon✨, but I mean look at this crap

[@chukelbox]

@@lil.lith1510 I see...

[@xMiiDNiiGHT]

That mom needs to be charged. Told a suicidal father to go ahead and do it after taking his kids from him and then took her homicidal/suicidal son GUN SHOPPING

[@movieandshowclipsss]

no

[@xMiiDNiiGHT]

@iamkristina2003 yes. 🤡

[@movieandshowclipsss]

@@xMiiDNiiGHT no🤮🥱🖕🤢

[@xMiiDNiiGHT]

@@movieandshowclipsss keep defending a pos🤢🤡

[@xMiiDNiiGHT]

@iamkristina2003 keep defending 🗑 you 🤡 🤢🤢

[@XenXenOfficial]

There's a dude in our town who always carried around my little pony dolls, dressed in skirts, had anger issues. He was also almost like 6'8 and like 160 pounds. He was a weird guy. Wonder what happened to that dude.

[@cody42693]

Sounds almost like he could have been trans and very conflicted. Could be wrong, though.

[@elizabethbunch1290]

Samaria Blackwell was a friend of a friend from high-school. This story hit so close knowing how many of my friends had/currently worked at that FedEx terminal and it could've been any of them. Also, mental health at eskanazi has always been a joke, and its no wonder they didn't actually hold him. They simply don't have the beds for all the mental health holds that are requested there.

[@jonathanj.3695]

God... Hearing those emergency calls, especially the one where the woman states that she just wants to go home...that got to me. That damn near made me cry. I've been in the U.S. Army for over 15 and currently in the process of becoming a police officer. Hearing genuine fear like this just breaks my heart.

[@cody42693]

Please remember your oath to the people while you're on the streets. I would hope you never are in this situation, but people may depend on you to stop someone like this.

[@bugbrains7348]

This was in my city. it never feels really REAL until it’s local to you. i remember texting friends to see if they were okay, terrified i wouldn’t get a text back. this is crazy to see on my recommended on youtube.

[@kristyflattley9521]

Wow that must of been terrifying I feel for you

[@ablancer3582]

Were all of your friends okay, at least?

[@ChelseaAllen-sx5xv]

Its the mothers fault for not getting him the mental help he needed... Sad story for everyone involved.

[@123451248ify]

You obviously did not watch the video. If you did, you would know that wasn't true. Sheila did everything within her power to get Brandon help. She held him accountable for the killings and would tell him that she would rather grieve for his victims than for her own son.

[@anon4305]

@@123451248ify SHE DROVE HIM TO A GUN SHOP AND TOLD HER EX TO KILL HIMSELF.

[@babykay1330]

I remember when I got the alert on my phone that this was happening. This happened less than 5 miles from my home. My heart dropped. You just never know.. hold your loved ones tight.

[@lauramac90]

That would be so scary, I can't even imagine getting a message like that.

[@lora4evarrr]

I think for me, the most saddest thing is is that I understand having that level of obsession. It rots your brain eventually. You don’t see it at first because all your thinking about is how much you love that person/character/object, whatever it is, and you need them to survive. You think you were made to be with them, and when you come to the realisation that none of it was ever real or the person you are infatuated over is already dead, it can make or break a person so bad…

[@Monnbyy929]

REAL

[@Lady_of_Winds]

yea ngl i know a person like that and their entire wellbeing is built on their obsession. It is like the character is a fundamental card in the card house that is their mental health. Take it away and everything will crumble. And it is very very easy to "take it away" so the person is super super anxious and possessive over the character. I get that to some degree too but these days my own obsession is more autistic fun and relief and I could technically do without. I just... decided I didnt want to be so vulnerable like that.

[@Liz-abeth]

That seems to be especially recurring in people who use maladaptive daydreaming as a coping mechanism. It's a very interesting topic.

[@masync183]

idk. ive been obsessed with things that dont exist to insane degrees but ive never actually believed that any of them existed. i always knew that what i enjoyed was a fictional satisfactio. i feel like, for someone to get to the point where they dont realize this, there has to be something deeper going on and the obsessesion is likely either a coping mechanism or an avoidance tactic. i dont think its even close to the main problem here. he really doesnt seem like a "my little pony murderer" as much as a "murderer who likes my little pony".

[@Lady_of_Winds]

@@masync183 ik several ppl like that (minus the murder part lol) and from my observation its a coping mechanism for severe depression (+anxiety). They start believing their waifu is real somewhere in another realm and cling to that as a last straw to life. Just like some people become religious these folks start to cling to their belief that the character who brings them happiness is there, loves and guides them. to some degree ive been there myself (and still kinda am) just ik its my brain and me and lots of imagination. But thats not enough for some folks. Deep down they know about reality but choose to ignore it. Once they fully realize its not real i think its better to supervise them so they dont off themselves in case they arent stable yet. That being said im against reality checking them. Any straw to life is good. Let them believe. Once they have stabilized again they can start questioning but before that I'd advise to let them be.

[@KyloRenmcgoo]

I forgot how badly COVID broke our brains. The lady calling 911 at the very start had to interrupt the operator’s opening spiel to report that something way, way more serious was happening

[@oldschoolhangout]

My Little Pony is pure, it doesn't suggest that anyone kill anything - quite the opposite really. Don't blame the show, blame the kid who needed help as he is the ONLY reason this happened, not My Little Pony at all.

[@NelsonRivera-p2x]

Facts. Being a brony myself, I am no stranger to judgement. I'm familiar with having my love for mlp cited as a problem. Indiana is a strongly republican state so they may have been quick to cite mlp as the problem since it was a dude who liked it which is way to different. I apologize for getting political back there. I caouldn't have agreed more with your statement

[@oldschoolhangout]

@@NelsonRivera-p2x it's all good, you called out the real problem with MLP haters. Illinois myself but in a far too republican area as well unfortunately. It isn't just MLP around here, they hate everyone and everything but themselves - they've lost a lot of members and supporters because all the hate yet they keep doubling down on it... I'm a brony myself, not to be a hipster but I was since the very first generation lol but as such I can say with absolute confidence that this kid they talked about wasn't really a fan at heart. Maybe more like me and Sword Art Online, I'm a fan of Asuna but not a fan of Sword Art. He might've had an obsession with characters but wasn't actually a brony because it is impossible for something so completely pure could make someone do something so evil. It's like Charles Manson blaming the Beatles for his massacre as it wasn't the Beatles at all but Charles Manson (and accomplices, as in people there at the massacre)

[@NelsonRivera-p2x]

@@oldschoolhangout I live in colorado but idk which side my area leans towards. But i used to live in florida and the only other democrat/biden supporter i knew was my ex-girlfriend. I do agree with your point that it's the person not the thing that's causes an action. Remember the whole cinnamon toast crunch shrimp story? Idk if this has anything to do with your point but I believe that the person planted the shrimp to try to slander ctc.

[@oldschoolhangout]

@@KZbin_IS_SHIT_AS_FUCK I have seen nothing to back up that claim nor does your claim make any sense so I'll ask, what makes you think that?

[@ijustdocomments6777]

Yeah they really conflated symptoms from SEVERAL different conditions he had in this, like "Kids wears 3 pairs of shorts? Rocks back and forth? Has a special interest? MUST BE A MASS SHOOTER!"