The Massive King "ULTIMATE" 1124 Marching Baritone! | Instrument Reviews

[@SamuelPlaysBrass]

Just a heads up-Scholastic Brass Month will be bleeding into the month of September because we still have two videos on euphoniums and two videos on tubas coming up and I’d like to space them out a little to give me some more time in the editing room. Thanks y’all!

[@azxtnt]

Some things i can say after using one for a full marching band season: Used a large bore mouthpiece You can’t adjust the 1st valve on the fly, but the lyre holder on the third valve came with an adjustable ring to adjust the third in the fly The second valve has never worked well on mine, but the other ones are alright. Second valve loves to get stuck ABs moves very slowly at times The mouthpiece that comes with the instrument if you buy it new is very weird, very big in every way. It made me really not enjoy playing it, especially since I moved from a 12c small bore straight to halfway to a tuba mouthpiece

[@TracksWithDax]

Dude i just wanna say, I started checking out your videos waaay back... you've gotten REALLY good 😳

[@SamuelPlaysBrass]

Thanks so much Dax! Glad you found your way back here. I just listened to your Pixar multitrack and it’s incredible!

[@Treu20]

Interesting that you find the baritone to be almost euphonium like in the description. As someone who marched both a King 1124s and Yamaha 301M I definitely see a big difference between them and instruments like Jupiter JEP1101MS (also marched) and Yamaha 202M that are actual marching euphoniums. King 1124 is definitely brighter and almost two pounds lighter than most marching euphoniums. I'd be interested in seeing you review a modern marching euphonium as it's always fun to see a non drum corps perspective to something that really isn't used anywhere else.

[@SamuelPlaysBrass]

In all fairness, I have played a Jupiter marching euphonium than is even heavier and even darker in terms of sound quality than this instrument. This one is somewhere in between sound concepts in my opinion. Be that as it may, my preference is still for lighter and brighter marching baritones. I just don’t see much of a reason, physically or sonically, to make life so much harder for marchers.

[@peternaryd_operasinger]

Great video as always Samuel!👏👏👏

[@Juan_Bone09]

Nice Video, Sam

[@agogobell28]

I’m pretty sure that’s related to the King K-70 two-valve G baritone bugle. The angle of the bell and the wrap are very similar.

[@SamuelPlaysBrass]

@@agogobell28 That would explain a lot about why this horn is just so needlessly massive. Having roots in G-bugle-land makes sense.

[@zachhupp9049]

The problem with the 1130 flugabone on the field comes down to the wrap. You're correct in stating it was intended as an alternative to trombones. The issue is projection and schools were finding trombonists did not adjust from an open free blowing instrument, to something so tightly wrapped with quite a bit more resistance. That said, I would much rather take something bugle shaped onto the field than something trombone shaped. Way less likely to be damaged. If anyone is on the hunt for a flugabone, king 1130s don't pop up that often, BUT, lake city (the in house brand for Schmitt music) offers a flugabone. I test drove one recently and it was everything I expected it to be.

[@SamuelPlaysBrass]

Thanks for your comment, Zach. That makes a lot of sense, as no valved instrument can really capture the note-to-note purity of sound of a trombone. Good to know that there exists a solid King 1130 alternative!

[@trombonedavid1]

I literally found an 1124 at my school today but didn’t have a chance to play it. This is a fantastic video!

[@SamuelPlaysBrass]

Do me a favor and let me know your thoughts if you do play it. I'm curious!

[@nickjcast]

I really wish King still produced the 1129 marching euphoniums, those things sound great (you only had to agree to a life of shoulder and back pain)

[@SamuelPlaysBrass]

See, that’s what I never understood, even as someone who LOVES the euphonium in concert settings-why would you subject yourself to even more physical torture than the marching baritone already provides, just to produce a darker sound that gets lost on the field more easily? Even in a sit-down wind ensemble, euphonium sound totally gets swallowed up from personal experience…

[@nickjcast]

@@SamuelPlaysBrass the 1129’s (from anecdotal experiences and other readings on forum post from Phantom Regiment alum) actually projected pretty well, the main issue with them was the weight and front heaviness of the instrument. you are right though, in my opinion, a marching horn that can project without being too large and encumbering is the better choice.

[@QMore-fp7wn]

I played an 1124 with a 7C mouthpiece in college marching band. I agree it was a great horn but could get stuffy on the high G and I also found on the 2nd valve D-flat. Not having kick-out slides was definitely annoying at times. Other than that it had a great sound but I had to push a lot of air almost all the time while still playing with a good tone. I like the sound you had on the Wick mouthpiece.

[@SamuelPlaysBrass]

Thanks for your comment. The 7C is a great mouthpiece for a lot of small-shank low brass. Any chance it was an original UMI 7C with the strange-shaped blank? I personally use a Bach Corp. 7C on two Kings: my personal Tempo 606 trombone and the school’s 2166 valve trombone, which to my understanding is basically a 3B with valves. Scarily nice for a novelty instrument.

[@QMore-fp7wn]

Yes it was a Bach 7C. For the most part the 1124 was a good playing horn. I’d like to find one just to have. I have a King 3B trombone with the F-attachment and absolutely love that horn. Love your channel and content. Thanks for the reply.

[@keycaps3207]

My school marches the 1124s and ive honestly never liked them, that issue you had of projecting and stuffiniess isnt just limited to yours, it feels like that on all the ones ive tried. I tested out a 301m and oh my god its world of difference, it felt like i was just playing my neo euph but in marching form, now i really want to get one 😂

[@keycaps3207]

The yamaha quality is just other worldly imo, also the ergonomics and weight distribution for horn snaps made much more sense

[@SamuelPlaysBrass]

@@keycaps3207 Glad it wasn’t just me who vastly preferred the Yamaha 301M haha, I did a review on that one too and really just enjoyed playing it. Like you said, it actually blows somewhat like a competent concert instrument whereas this one feels kind of clunky on faster runs.

[@jacksonhall3151]

can you review the new Jupiter Quantum mk2 marching baritones?

[@SamuelPlaysBrass]

I can only review an instrument if I have access to one locally, and I don’t think there are any of those around here unfortunately.

[@nyancs7098]

Nice video!,

[@rodneytrotter8436]

Im subscribed. What is the best way to get a tuba. I find it near impossible

[@SamuelPlaysBrass]

Thanks for subscribing! Unfortunately tubas are just ridiculously expensive in general, even on secondhand sites like eBay or FB marketplace. There’s a reason I don’t own one, either. There’s nothing good at all in my budget range as far as tubas go.

[@rodneytrotter8436]

@@SamuelPlaysBrass yes. Its sad because the tuba is going extinct. In the band i play in there are no tuba players. They have replaced it with bass guitar

[@5hark906]

I current play a 1124 in my 6A. I havent gotten the name of my mouthpiece but when i do ill update on it. Im actually new to euphonium/baritone so i cant say much on it myself.

[@radonsmith4386]

almost looks more like a Marching Eurphonium

[@SamuelPlaysBrass]

Right, I felt the same way. I think I mentioned it in the video.

[@directcurrent5751]

I own a grunting KING 1122 marching Fremch horn. I will literally never own anything called "marching" again. They are cool when brand new or perfectly kept, which is seldom. The old marching horns on eBay will be the most regrettable sight unseen purchase that you ever make. They should be melted down.

[@Trombobrer]

My highschool has these and we HATE them

[@SamuelPlaysBrass]

@@Trombobrer Haha, I didn’t hate it too much while just messing around on it but if I had to use one out on the field I sure would too!

[@Trombobrer]

@SamuelPlaysBrass 1 thing though, they are VERY durable we've had our since 1984 and they're only just now having issues with solder coming off

[@mambojazz1]

First comment😆

[@SamuelPlaysBrass]

First of all, nobody does that anymore. Second of all, my channel is small enough that the first comment is not at all an achievement. Third of all, hate to break it to you, but you weren’t even first. Juan beat you.

[@mambojazz1]

@@SamuelPlaysBrass My comment was only 2 minutes after you posted the video! It was first when i posted it. Maybe the signal was slow and Juan got in first dont know lol😁. King Marching Baritone sounds great. Its different