The Massive Station on a Tiny Railway.

[@pwhitewick]

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[@squoblat]

I don't know how I came across this channel, but your uploads have become something I look forward to. Don't ever change.

[@pwhitewick]

Thanks Koss. Big plans post lockdown, but assurances it will be just us waffling.

[@hairyairey]

@@pwhitewick I love you two and your channel. The only thing I would recommend is working really hard on your fitness. Our bodies decline in strength rapidly without exercise so if you want to keep doing what you enjoy, fitness has to be top priority.

[@gaugeonesteam]

My late parents used to belong to a "rights of way" walking group in Dorset back in the 1970s, Their mission was to walk overgrown footpaths and clear the overgrowth as they walked. I believe there used to a some rule that if the farmer or whoever could show the path was not in use it could lose it's "right of way" status. I used to go with them. we took "slashers" long curved knifes with us to cut the overgrown branches back. I've no idea if people still do this? You'd probably get arrested now for having offensive weapons! Keep up the good work. I wish I had all their old OS maps. They had loads of them. The red and buff ones.

[@leeandjancruise]

We are an English couple from Gtr Man who moved to Neath South Wales 18 years ago, our past time is to walk the old coal train lines that run from the valleys to the sea ports, we also find many tunnels. It's all very interesting but little seems to be documented.

[@pwhitewick]

I am very jealous!!....

[@geomorph]

This is interesting. I'm currently writing a book - a guide book of sorts - and I stick to the railways, but I found the Vale of Neath (and the valleys either side) so interesting that I have added a non-railway diversion up the vale. There are just so many things of interest in the area. It was the Silicon Valley of the 16th Century and then the vale is littered with clay pits, coal mines, Roman camps, two canals, forges, tinplate works, world-class mountain bike tracks, forest parks, nature reserves, a staggering number of waterfalls (some painted by Turner), deep caves, fascinating geology (and a geopark), 170 lime kilns, disappearing rivers, old-growth forests, SSSIs, Iron Age hillforts and Bronze Age tombs. And that's before lunch. T really does need to be documented and I even wondered about doing a separate guidebook. Certainly deserves the Paul+Rebecca treatment.

[@spookerd]

That was a "perfect shot". You two really put a lot of effort in to get those "walking by" shots.

[@pwhitewick]

Yup.... walk bys help me cover and cut all my waffle... 🤪

[@andyhill242]

"You can't say that!" Rebecca does her best impression of Shaun from @foxesafloat 😆

[@pwhitewick]

Haha.... yuuuup

[@robertsedgwick1629]

"i've just taken Rebecca up Middle Way" -😮😏 more tea vicar 🙄

[@xr6lad]

Ooooo errrrr

[@derekmacintosh7839]

Total trackbed walked - 0%. Total of recluses encountered with a seriously unhealthy 'Private - No Entry' sign obsession - 100% 😂😂😂😂 Another great video folks! 👍😀

[@oldmanvlogger9259]

Too many signs around saying 'Private - No Access'. BUT, how many of them are actually legal, rather than some local 'I believe I'm Lord of the Manor' putting them up! Thank You for Readly, I got it on your first promotion, I'm proud to be saving trees, (and money).

[@pwhitewick]

Excellent stuff Old Man Vlogger, thanks for that!

[@simonballard6413]

Thanks again both of you. An interesting line indeed. Totally agree with you about the right to walk peacefully on these tracks. Scotland has got it right.

[@johnkeedy8011]

I really enjoy watching your videos which i have only come across recently. Its revived an interest I had some years ago where I explored disused railway lines on my mountain bike. I am very familiar with the Downs Link and Meon Valley which is local to me. Keep up the good work and look forward to future adventures.

[@rcurtisfl02hsv]

Thanks for another great video; just shows you don't have to travel far to see some lovely countryside. But I bet you cannot wait to get further afield.

[@pwhitewick]

100% Richard

[@richmiller7834]

I suppose on the plus side, the overgrown track beds make great wildlife sanctuaries.....the New Forest is full of private signs...most can be ignored to some extent, as they are put up to deter people from walking near to peoples property, when in fact its public access.....😀

[@michaelpilling9659]

Superb video. What a shame you weren't able to walk the line. I can't see what damage you would have caused.

[@dlittlester]

Love your videos. Thanks for doing them. I'm Canadian, but when I'm over there, I have been going to North Yorkshire. I'm impressed with the public footpaths there. I thought that was the way all through England.

[@williamwelbourn7932]

I look forward to the new Paul and Rebecca video to brighten up my Monday morning! Great vid as usual.

[@eddiek0507]

Great video, It's amazing how quick nature reclaims these abandoned railway lines...🙂👍🏼👍🏼

[@lindamccaughey6669]

Really enjoyed that thanks. What beautiful countryside. Thanks so much for taking me along. Please stay safe and take care

[@pwhitewick]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@Johnny_Tambourine]

Growing up on the rural outskirts of a city in Ohio we walked everywhere and the 'No Trespassing' signs be damned. There were a few farms where we knew not to go because the farmer would come out into the cornfield and fire at you with a shotgun filled with rock salt.

[@robinoconnor1203]

When was Wherwell station demolished, I am sure it was there a little over 20 years ago, although I do believe it was in very poor condition. I was told that there may still be buried munitions in the woods at Longparish, I used to know someone that lived by the green there.

[@pwhitewick]

Oooh I didn't realise it had been demolished. I think it still stands in all its glory.

[@robinoconnor1203]

@@pwhitewick Ahh I could not see it on Google maps, will have a closer look, or a visit when im in the area. Cheers.

[@mildertduck]

I'm surprised we didn't have a census reference today :p so here is one ... in 1901, the Station Master at Fullerton was Walter Parrall from Wrecclesham in Surrey; and that at Wherwell was Christopher Sehafield, who hailed from Lancashire! It's really interesting what you can find out from the census, so if you're in the UK don't forget to leave your mark for the future and fill in #Census2021!

[@pwhitewick]

Absolutely Richard. I filled out ours today and had a huge sense of legacy (for want of a better word). What will they think in a 100 years or more of two "youtubers" with too many kids.

[@christopherbraiden6713]

Thanks for the video a beautiful part of the country with a no go area to any thing with two legs!!😎🐓🐓🇬🇧

[@Casinosquare]

At 7:00 you can go the opposite way up those little steps behind you, all the way back to the overbridge way down in the cutting. Great video!

[@pwhitewick]

Thanks Adam, we didn't even look! Assumed it was someone's garden!

[@naughtynaughtyish]

And now I know! For a long time I have been aware of the track but didn't know it was as sophisticated as that! Thanks guys 👌

[@charliepaynter]

What a great intro Mr & Mrs Whitewick! Made my day! Great channel BTW. :)

[@shirleylynch7529]

What a lovely walk. You are so lucky having all these places to visit but sad too that the trains are no longer with us. Keep up the walking and searching. Thank you.

[@therenewedpoet4292]

I got lost walking in the hills and just ended up cutting through farms and backyards to get close to my part of town. I was so tired, I didn't care. Love the videos.

[@phillunn4691]

Thank you for another great lockdown video. Hopefully it won’t be long until you can start travelling again to more walkable and less private, notice free dismantled railway lines. Keep up the good work guys 👍🏼👍🏼

[@roberttucker805]

The track just North of Longparish was lifted in 1934, so was actually a through route up then and only became a branch line after 1934. The line was only double track until 1913 when the LSWR in an attempt to cut costs made it single track. Passenger services ceased in 1931 and goods in 1956 although the line was used as a siding for redundant stock until the early sixties. Apparently the line was used in a film called ghost train (seriously!) But I understand no copies survive. Very interesting video, I thoroughly enjoyed it.

[@mikeroutledge6929]

I can remember christmas hill cutting out the back of south wonston ( Sutton scotney to winchester ) before it was filled in, 50/60 foot deep, the council took it over as a dump, we used to find all sorts of things up there as the gates were forced and it became a free for all dump, mid 90's saw it completely filled in to the drove track that takes you to worthy halt, also played as a kid in the old signal box at sutton scotney which is now part of the Gratton surgery/sports fields

[@kickbiker7920]

What a great interest and passion to share. Love this!

[@RogerFoxwellHypnotherapy]

Loving your videos great fun and fascinating walks

[@JAY61ish]

Great video as usual guys.. It's true... England is awful for public access. I live in Hampshire too. But further South on the coast. I ride my MTB and if I didn't ride on footpaths or bridleways I'd be 100% on the roads.. But there are SOOOOOO Many " Private Keep Out" signs everywhere..

[@paulqueripel3493]

Not a station , but Brentford docks had about 40 sidings, all serviced by a single line track. Now flats, the line stops about half a mile earlier.

[@johnjephcote7636]

My wife, from Winchester always called it 'Wurrell' tho' it looks like wer-well.

[@MrTarmonbarry]

Do not know if you have done it but there is a track bed between Lewes in sussex and a place called Barcomb , and there is a pub at the end . The line used to go to Uckfield

[@Lichfeldian--Suttonian]

This is a trip down memory lane (or should I say memory track!) from the 1990s. The line is still as impenetrable now as it was back then! I did manage to walk from The Middleway through the woods so that I could take a peek at the large embankment that spans the dry valley. A wonderful site! And I did get to see the road over rail bridge that is further north by Apsley Barns. I have seen pictures of the old rail over road bridge at the A303 on-line, even when it was being demolished. I haven’t yet seen pictures of the rail over road bridge at Harroway. Finally, I did get to walk over to the junction near the viaduct. I was, perhaps a little ‘naughty’ where I walked to get to these places, but not _too_ naughty I hope! Lovely line. I think that it was closed in 1937. Many thanks for your continuing adventures.

[@timhancock6626]

I'm afraid access in this country is being denied more and more. I've lived in or around this part of Yorkshire on and off for 60 years and there are many places I used to know that are fenced off with the inevitable 'private no right of way' signs. Its a curse and its only getting worse.

[@robertgibson7716]

need what weve got in Scotland mate sorted the NIMBYs out lol

[@UTubeThePatient]

Trespass is not illegal (though you should always be respectful and safe of course). Except.... for MoD land (lots round there) and Railways! (though abandoned railways probably don't count).

[@josepelotudogomezcredulo6993]

Here in my country (Uruguay) is going the same way, once public access places , going private or government issued sites. Ports ,docks, bridges, old mills, towpaths. Even some rivers banks.

[@malcolmsmith6615]

I wasn’t sure how much of the trackbed was actually shown on OS maps has having rights of way and so it was hard to understand whether 0% was the expected outcome or not. However, it was still a great enjoyable video, so thank you both once again!

[@xr6lad]

Picturing Rebecca breathless after being taken up the middle way.....

[@drdoolittle5724]

You might well know this but cousins of HM, descendants of the Wills tobacco family, own huge chunks of all that area you were on and when I lived there, the gossip was that the railway company only went down that route to please certain directors of the railway company! Have you come across that story?

[@pwhitewick]

Sadly not no. We only are aware of its existence owing to the need to keep GER away from Southampton. Geography was everything.

[@JAY61ish]

I had one of those lot..The Wills. As a capt in the Army back in the 80's He was a proper #@!"+%

[@Brooksontour]

Great video, thank you 😊

[@TheCelts01]

Great vid guys. Thanks

[@davie941]

hi paul and rebecca , another great funny video , you took rebecca up the middle way hmmmm lmao , no track but still interesting thank you both :)

[@Flymochairman1]

Looks like the residents couldn't get rid of the railway fast enough. Much like my local disused line! Cheers Paul and Rebecca. Keep Well!

[@francischurch9707]

Paul how could you say that about Rebecca? It was funny but thank you Rebecca for bringing Paul to task. Another wonderful video. Thank you.😊

[@pwhitewick]

She always does.

[@richardcox6820]

Hi Paul and Rebecca , I love the uploads great work . On a side note we are plagued at our farm with these so called urban explorers who tresspass , leave gates open root in sheds and vehicles then upload onto the internet for more to see and then arrive . The police are powerless to stop them and if we challenge them they know it . So keep doing your walks and being respectfull as you both are you will have no problems by them signs owners .

[@pwhitewick]

It's a big issue for us Richard as we are often tarred with the same brush largely because we post videos on the same platform. So as you imply we often.point out that rarely do we cross fences and signs as per this video!

[@chrislodzinski9056]

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[@pwhitewick]

Yup. 6 weeks free then £7.99 a month thereafter. We use it.... on a Tableyt mainly. Its absolutely brilliant.

[@buckieloon]

Hi Paul & Rebecca, another great wee video thank you very much. I've taken up your suggestion of Readly, great value! As you say the 'Right to Roam' in Scotland is a great benefit of living up here, frankly the overuse of Private / Keep Out Signs in England seems totally OTT. Must say your cheery videos have helped greatly during the difficult year we've all shared. Best wishes ! K

[@geomorph]

Strongly agree with the rant on Right to Roam. Did farmers actually buy the former trackbed? It would be interesting to pick a short stretch of former trackbed and see who owns it at the Land Registry. I suspect a lot of it has been "claimed" by land owners who have no right to it.

[@chrisabblett8847]

Both are doing well keep safe and keep with the good work as watching your videos since been sheild all this time chris abblett 👌👌👌

[@TheErador]

Excellent Rebecca can do Trinary on mittens

[@pwhitewick]

lol. Yup

[@robinjones6999]

As usual, a great(ish) video - Thank you

[@markstott6689]

It's thoroughly depressing all those no entry signs. Mind you it's Home Counties so I'm not surprised.

[@johnduffin3361]

amazed how much this has become overgrown ,i walked this line in 1959 ,it was a single track long siding all the way to longparish ,a dumping ground for hundreds of condemned good wagons awaiting a trip to eastleigh works for scrapping,Wherewell station was still being lived it and Longparish station was empty and derelict ,i even found some tickets in the old booking hall,

[@hairyairey]

Tom Scott did a recent video on rights of way and how the law is changing. If you know a route that should be a right of way and isn't I think we have only until the end of this year to register it. No extension been given to that deadline because of you know what.

[@neilbain8736]

This makes sense to me. Vintage Land Rover mags I've seen from about the late 90's were making a thing about a definitive list of rights of way being compiled and closing in 25 years from then which would be around now.

[@Sim0nTrains]

Brilliant Video, start of the walk around 1:08 reminded me of a Station I did visit yesterday in Chartley.... but for some strange reason I called it Charterley lol Which was in Staffordshire.

[@pwhitewick]

I do that most weeks Simon... 🤪

[@hairyairey]

Your title reminds me of Tring railway station. Six platforms in a village! Don't think there is a larger more rural station anywhere else in the UK.

[@pwhitewick]

Spent many a day on Tring platforms with my father watching 86s shoot up and down the fast lines.

[@HenrysAdventures]

Great video as always! Love the old section of rail by the steps at 07:05.

[@pwhitewick]

That was nice unexpected treat indeed.

[@MartinAhlman]

"You can't say that!" And she's right. Behave, Sir!

[@NigelDraycott]

Carry on up middle way, "oh I say"

[@derekp2674]

Really enjoyable video, thanks folks :)

[@Deebz270]

To many rich gits owning land and being mean about it. But then, their days could be numbered... Within reason, I walk where I please; I try to avoid private curtilage, well guarded military bases or working quarries as a rule. . Can't be doing with all this 'PRIVATE LAND - KEEP OFF !! ' malarky. . The trick is to be stealthy, camouflaged (or wearing dull clothes), keep silouette below the skyline and move fast. Avoid leaving sign, never drop litter or leave gates ajar, avoid damaging fences or hedges. Be mindful of domesticated/agricultural animals, always recce/scrutinise the route ahead across 'unknown' (private) land first. . If challenged. If possible, evade and escape to nearest 'neutral ground'... Where the the first person you see, you should ask - ''.... Are we in Switzerland yet? ''

[@pwhitewick]

Yuuuuup

[@tmusson151186]

You guys should come to lincolnshire, we have a lot of abandoned railway lines.

[@neilbain8736]

I was once sort of down that way for a funeral. It involved a plane to Southampton but also hiring a car and going via Guildford to Woking. There was so much traffic. It really hit me the that there is a huge population density and is where most of the UK lives. I had thought England and Wales had got their own version of a Right to Roam act or policy by now. And per census per Scotland, it's not having one. Possibly because of the election and they'll maybe be having one later. I can't imagine the country not wanting to know how many people are up to just what and where. Probably up the Trossachs if the weather's nice. Deary deary me...ho hum.

[@steveg4iwr]

Great video as ever thank you. You can get all of those magazines free by enrolling with you local library service which means you can spend your 7.99 on more travel 😁😁

[@johntyjp]

We're getting a very insular nation these days, keep out even though there's nothing there! Territorial !!!!

[@pwhitewick]

100%

[@JAY61ish]

Exactly right.100%. landowners are scared their land will lose value if it has public access through it... Even though they won't maintain it or use it.. Selfish buggers..

[@robinnicholson4009]

Great fresh air walk at this time of night! Please reinstate the h in my name. I noticed it was missing last week too

[@pwhitewick]

Apologies Robin, I will see if we can get it changed in time for next weeks video.

[@librarian16]

A friend of mine did his National Service in the RAF as a "storeman X" sending expired munitions from Longparish to Stranraer for dumping in the sea between Scotland and Northern Ireland.

[@momatmach1]

Another great video, with the exception of the HS2 nonsense video I have loved all the videos, great way to see the world as we can’t go there ourselves. Thanks

[@pwhitewick]

I like all your comments momatmach1, well accept this one it's utter nonsense. But other than that you are great at commenting. Thanks.

[@angelsone-five7912]

"Shall we go for a walk in the country?" "Don`t be daft, it`s private".

[@paulabevan]

I live in chilbolton, I have never seen a horse walking across that bridge

[@cargy930]

Even though I no longer comment on every video, my support for you guys is guaranteed.

[@pwhitewick]

Thanks Cargy much appreciated

[@coalcrackerchris]

Beautiful video. Too bad most of the line is private, or impassible. Keep up the good work!

[@paulinehedges5088]

Always entertaining and full.of interest. Great videos. Keep going! Unlike those trains!!

[@sr6424]

Just because it's not a Public Right of Way doesn't mean you can't walk along a path. Examples include canal towpaths and woods. The law is now set out in section 31 of the Highways Act 1980, which says that if a route is enjoyed by the public for 20 years or more, as of right and without interruption. There are exceptions- railways are potentially one. I suspect the private signs are due to the landowners not wanting it to become a ROW. Here is how the Ramblers www.ramblers.org.uk/advice/paths-in-england-and-wales/changes-to-the-path-network/creating-a-right-of-way.aspx

[@andykopgod]

You had me at Rebecas middle way 🙈😁💪

[@Alan_UK]

Have those landowners who put up the Keep Out signs and the people who have extended their gardens legally acquired the land? Probably not! Disused railway land passed to BRB (Residuary) Ltd but in 2013 it passed to Highways England Historical Railways Estate (part of the Highways Agency). Mind you they would probably sell it for a pittance to get shot of the legal liabilities, especially for bridges. Just needs Network Rail to propose a diversionary route through Wherwell to handle the increasing container traffic to/from Southampton Docks!!

[@Vokabre]

1:52 That water is trespassing on private property! And those ducks!

[@djhrecordhound4391]

Ducks don't care about charges, since they're slick and already have a bill. As for the water, no need to dam it--just litre go. It's more bubble than it's worth tapping into such rapid decisions. That water will just run past and stream somewhere else. The fowlest will fly past as well...via duck!!!! I'll ditch this here, just in case I seem to be a drip, and you can't appreciate wettiness within humour. Then again, I may appear bored, well-grounded, or just preaching to the culverted...

[@carlwilson1772]

That was a great video, thanks. Shame that you cannot access more of the trackbed.

[@derekmills5394]

1:39 - was sure it said 'DTF' - had to go back and look - somewhere to walk the dog maybe? lol

[@grahamhall8249]

Great video again, but not liking the adverts, so I fast forward through them.

[@pwhitewick]

Thats fine Graham. They aren't for everyone. We try and do no more than 1 per month. Though had a backlog this week. Back to normal.next week

[@TerminusVox]

Just curious: on the day when you said, "perfect shot," were you speaking to the viewers as if to say, 'this Is what we do to get the shot you just watched, don't I look silly climbing up this hill?' Or are you speaking to future Paul/Rebecca who will be editing the footage into a video? I do realize and appreciate the effort it takes to shoot the video from in front of the camera. Thank you for literally going the extra mile to get the footage!

[@pwhitewick]

Great point and question. I do often talk to myself if I have an idea of how a shot might work in an edit. I've no clue why I said that in this one other than it toom me a good few mins to chamber that hill. Seemed to slip into the edit as well. 🤪

[@cjmatthiasakamatt8174]

I understand why land owners, made the track bed apart of their land, they are hoping that Network Rail have plans to reopen the small branch so they can make a small fortune. These places should be free from land owners and converted into public paths, for the public to enjoy.

[@Jimyjames73]

Very good 🙂🚂🚂🚂

[@MrLargePig]

I don't remember ever seeing so many "Private Property" signs, in any of your videos. Anybody's videos, truth to tell. Something about the neighborhood? Hampshire doesn't like walkers?

[@2H80vids]

Yep, I'd never get tired of throwing stuff at their notices. Contrary to popular belief, Scotland isn't perfect but I think we've got our tresspass laws about right. "Get orf moy laand." - Yeah Right!!

[@vulgivagu]

Canals are even worse than public footpaths. A staggering 97% of canal riverbanks are privately owned making life very difficult for longboat owners to moor up. Like footpaths it is probably a land grab as all canals must have had towpaths for the horses but the land was taken over when that form of power was given up.

[@pwhitewick]

Thats a shocking stat indeed.

[@ShaneRounce]

I only still watch these videos to see you guys bail out of cutting through some minor thorns/bushes or to find a way around going up or down a small embankment. Brave some nettles once in a while will ya!

[@stevieinselby]

If you find a path that appears to be open to the public, but isn't shown on OS maps, it's always worth checking on OpenStreetMap and adding it on there if no-one else has beaten you to it. And yes, there is an increasing problem with routes being blocked - legally, in some cases, but not always - the best thing you can do to help combat this is to join The Ramblers, who are fighting hard to preserve and improve public rights of way across Great Britain. If there are particular paths that you have concerns about then you can get in touch with your local group and see if is already on their radar.

[@LoveAngelLA]

Alloa waggon way and Alloa swing bridge might interest you. Alloa waggon way has the oldest rail tunnel line that was opened in 1768.

[@pwhitewick]

I read about that tunnel the other day with great interest. I had read that it was a big question mark? We did fritchley tunnel last year which was 1794 I think. The Alloa one sounds very interesting indeed

[@LoveAngelLA]

@@pwhitewick The National Transport Trust recognises the importance of Waggonway in Alloa. this year and now has a plaque.

[@LoveAngelLA]

@@pwhitewick I thought the swing bridge might be interesting as it history as ships have crashed it to it more than once. it was a Rail bridge.

[@michaelmiller641]

Very good!

[@andyalder7910]

You could walk along a tiny bit of it where the B3048 crosses the A303 but you might get run over.

[@fumthings]

come to think of it... i dont think we have see you two on a boat?

[@pwhitewick]

This is very true. Watch this space!

[@rosiefay7283]

0:43 Sprat and winkle? You can't say that!

[@rexgeorg7324]

railway interest starts 4:40 land prices are at an all time high = Private Property

[@pwhitewick]

Did we say nothing noteworthy before the Readly insert!?

[@InterFelix]

I love all the history behind all of this abandoned infrastructure. I would love to do some exploring myself, but unfortunately, there just isn't much abandoned railway infrastructure in Germany, especially northern Germany. And sadly, there is no comprehensive documentation on what has at some point existed in terms of railway lines, like railmaponline.com is for the UK and Ireland, at least that I know of. What's quite pleasant though is the fact, that there is often more left to see when you eventually find something. There is for example a line of 26km length running through rural Schleswig-Holstein that was abandoned in 1985, but there is still tracks the whole way through, which makes for some quite nice photos in the foresty sections. But not a single bridge, let alone tunnel or even cutting, since the terrain is virtually completely flat here.

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

Looking at the 1910 OS for Wherwell the station isn't unusually large. It's not much larger than the long gone Stokesley station (also on a double track branch line). Stokesley station features in the film "A Farmer Moves South".

[@one42chrisp]

Nice video, as always. Can’t help you with Readly, as I am already a user, but I can highly recommend it!

[@mickd6942]

I’ve just taken Rebecca up the middle way , beats crack ally lol, your on my click like before watching list , funny informative entertaining what’s not to like .

[@telquad1953]

England will never have the right of responsible access like Scotland. Too atavistic. A shame.

[@pwhitewick]

Unfortunately I agree