The Mathematical Problem With Good Will Hunting

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@copywright5635
@copywright5635 2 ай бұрын
Patreon Video (It's Free) Explaining the Other two parts of the problem. www.patreon.com/posts/good-will-parts-111363188?Link&
@ddodd69
@ddodd69 2 ай бұрын
promo?
@copywright5635
@copywright5635 2 ай бұрын
@@ddodd69 I mean kinda yeah. I like to post the stuff on Patreon as it kills 2 birds with one stone 1. I want to put content on Patreon lol, and video addendums are the easiest and provide a good deal of value. 2. It funnels people to the Patreon, but I do plan to keep most of the content on there free. I could upload it on a second YT channel, or as an unlisted YT video, but I'd rather just have it on there as long as there aren't any big drawbacks. This also allows me to be just slightly less strict with copyright.
@GrimmyPigeon
@GrimmyPigeon 2 ай бұрын
The video's locked - only available to paid members
@copywright5635
@copywright5635 2 ай бұрын
@@GrimmyPigeon Oh sh*t thanks for pointing that out to me. I fix that now. It’s annoying bc Patreon defaults to it being only available to paid members
@lightyagami1752
@lightyagami1752 2 ай бұрын
​@@copywright5635 I just created an account via Gmail, still says locked and to upgrade for access.
@A_doe_wasting_her_life
@A_doe_wasting_her_life 2 ай бұрын
Good will hunting is in an alternate universe where everyone is very very bad at math
@oioio-yb9dw
@oioio-yb9dw 2 ай бұрын
​@vin-i5h is an attempt to justify to oneself the oversight the direction had with the math part of the movie. It is like when your favorite character has an ending you don't find satisfying in a series an you convince yourself of it being having a different ending. It is also known as copium. 😅
@dmace14
@dmace14 2 ай бұрын
@@oioio-yb9dwI don’t think they were really asking what they meant by alternate, I think they were jokingly saying that we already live in a universe where everyone is very very bad at math
@shlokwaghela9560
@shlokwaghela9560 2 ай бұрын
So... Our universe
@Yopiwastaken
@Yopiwastaken 2 ай бұрын
​@@oioio-yb9dw ?
@robertlee8519
@robertlee8519 2 ай бұрын
Maybe It's the prequel to Idiocracy
@shrekvt
@shrekvt 2 ай бұрын
As an aero engineer and mathematician, I can tell you aviation movies are far more painful to watch than the Good Will Hunting from a math point of view.
@dangerdangerTrapeze
@dangerdangerTrapeze 2 ай бұрын
no youre not
@tonydai782
@tonydai782 2 ай бұрын
@@dangerdangerTrapeze It’s really not that strange on a video about math for someone with a job in a math related field to be watching it. You’re acting as if engineers are as rare as astronauts.
@dangerdangerTrapeze
@dangerdangerTrapeze 2 ай бұрын
@@tonydai782 i dont know you
@Giant-Enemy-Crab
@Giant-Enemy-Crab 2 ай бұрын
@@dangerdangerTrapeze and I don't care to know you
@StoufSto
@StoufSto 2 ай бұрын
@@dangerdangerTrapeze Yet you replied to the first guy, who you don't know. Pick a lane, bozo.
@TilDrill
@TilDrill 2 ай бұрын
A huge problem with that type of smart people is them just knowing and understanding all the technical terms as if 3/4 of them dont have some weird history making them impossible to just understand by being smart
@copywright5635
@copywright5635 2 ай бұрын
Yeah this is a point I didn't touch on really. (Though to be fair, Will had read A LOT, so he would have known all the math Jargon). It's more the idea that things just come naturally to him. The idea that Will could have been so much better than Lambeau without even trying is laughable. Still love the movie, just have this gripe that I though i'd make a video out of.
@TilDrill
@TilDrill 2 ай бұрын
@@copywright5635 idk why i said huge problem i meant more like a weird thing i guess u got me into a criticizing mood 😅 I generally also like the concept of a super smart human in movies even if they are as goofy as sherlock
@redgribben7679
@redgribben7679 2 ай бұрын
@@copywright5635 There are some types of once in a generation or perhaps even century geniuses. George Dantzig solved two open problems in statistics, because he thought they were homework, the professor had written them up to show the class some of the unsolved problems of statistics. Though the big difference here is that he had allready completed a masters degree and worked with statistics professionally before starting his PhD. George Dantzig was probably not even a once in a generation genius.
@copywright5635
@copywright5635 2 ай бұрын
@@redgribben7679 Yes this is true. I'm not denying that generational geniuses exist, the main issue is the ease with which Will does things. George Dantzig IIRC spent a week toiling away at the homework problems, whereas Will considers these problems to be "a f**king joke". That level of disrespect is a bit offensive and completely unrealistic
@fonroo0000
@fonroo0000 2 ай бұрын
yes
@Ltsykes1011
@Ltsykes1011 2 ай бұрын
I always repeat to myself "you don't owe it too yourself, you owe it too me" whenever I study or go to class or anything. It really is incredibly powerful. Good movie
@copywright5635
@copywright5635 2 ай бұрын
It's good to have that mentality. Don't let yourself get weighed down by other's expectations though!
@Kevin.Simons
@Kevin.Simons 2 ай бұрын
You should keep studying. The word is “to” not “too.”
@gilded276
@gilded276 2 ай бұрын
@@Kevin.Simons 😂
@rafaelsantiagoaltoe6606
@rafaelsantiagoaltoe6606 2 ай бұрын
@@Kevin.Simons not everyone focuses on studying english.
@derikhendriksen368
@derikhendriksen368 2 ай бұрын
@@rafaelsantiagoaltoe6606the difference between to and too is so basic it simply cannot be chalked up to a lack of studying
@salierisneighbor9736
@salierisneighbor9736 2 ай бұрын
I clicked on this video thinking this was a video about hunting for clothes at goodwill, left knowing a little more a bout matrixes
@simonwong5608
@simonwong5608 2 ай бұрын
matrices*
@salierisneighbor9736
@salierisneighbor9736 2 ай бұрын
@simonwong5608 **both are correct :p
@simonwong5608
@simonwong5608 2 ай бұрын
@@salierisneighbor9736 from a linguistic standpoint, yes. From a mathemetical standpoint, no
@salierisneighbor9736
@salierisneighbor9736 2 ай бұрын
@@simonwong5608 how so?
@simonwong5608
@simonwong5608 2 ай бұрын
@@salierisneighbor9736 as in every field, it has its own jargon. In the math field, matrices is considered the accepted plural
@davidlearnforus
@davidlearnforus 2 ай бұрын
Salieri actually was a great composer and teacher of Beethoven, Liszt, Schubert. It is crime that because of that movie most people know him for what he was not.
@dank_river3318
@dank_river3318 2 ай бұрын
The tragedy of the arts is inflation of skill. Though Salieri was a far greater artist than I will ever be, I would rather listen to the other composers you mentioned. (Liszt is a favourite) Indeed, our records are filled with composers and other artists who have "one-in-a-million" talent. Why would one enjoy their works, when he can listen to Mozart?
@M2orNot
@M2orNot 2 ай бұрын
​@@dank_river3318That's just a really bad way to go about appreciating art. Salieri composed good music and nurtured talents bigger than his. The music is out there and can be appreciated, if not for what it is, at least for what it means historically. Many composers have become obscure over the years and it's not always down to inferiority over others. Telemann is another example of a prolific composers that is virtually unknown compared to during his lifetime even though he also composed good music.
@ericdaniel323
@ericdaniel323 2 ай бұрын
@@M2orNotMozart himself also held Salieri in very high esteem.
@DefenestrateYourself
@DefenestrateYourself 2 ай бұрын
@@M2orNotgood is subjective
@Oriol-oo7jl
@Oriol-oo7jl 2 ай бұрын
And The Simpsons reinforced it So now is facts :)
@Qwentar
@Qwentar 2 ай бұрын
... The singular form of "vertices" is "vertex"...
@aaaidan
@aaaidan 2 ай бұрын
I wish we'd just called them vertexes the whole time.
@AndrewKay
@AndrewKay 2 ай бұрын
Some dictionaries have it as a non-standard alternative form of "vertex" in English. Also in Latin, "vertice" is correct in the ablative case.
@Chiberia
@Chiberia 2 ай бұрын
@@AndrewKay maybe, but in discrete mathematics (and more specifically, graph theory) the correct term is "vertex"
@DeclanMBrennan
@DeclanMBrennan 2 ай бұрын
Just call them nodes and links like us programmers do. Although I know now that it's inspired by polyhedra, vertices and especially edges seem like weird names for a planar graph.
@DeusExAstra
@DeusExAstra 2 ай бұрын
Came here to say this. It's a huge pet peeve of my when people say "vertice". Or, when they say "vertexes"...
@people174
@people174 2 ай бұрын
The movie is not about math. Its about a very angry young man
@FrostByte112
@FrostByte112 2 ай бұрын
This. The problem itself is irrelevant. It's a plot mechanism.
@runthenumbers9698
@runthenumbers9698 2 ай бұрын
It's about a young man who is throwing away his potential to live down to his peers. The fact that he's a savant is important to this theme. If he wasn't a man of exceptional talent, there would be no conflict.
@matthewglenguir7204
@matthewglenguir7204 2 ай бұрын
​@@runthenumbers9698good point
@ArchIVEDCinema
@ArchIVEDCinema 2 ай бұрын
​​@@runthenumbers9698 Right. And I feel like it's also about attachment disorder. He's afraid to let himself be passionate about math. (Just like he's afraid to let himself love Skylar)
@ntdscherer
@ntdscherer 2 ай бұрын
​@@runthenumbers9698Totally, but it isn't important for the math problem to actually be exceptionally difficult, only for the audience to understand that it is, and that point is made quite clearly.
@Godsen5
@Godsen5 2 ай бұрын
Good Will Hunting is a great movie which treats the whole intellectual part of it the same way a cheap tv series in the 90s would've treated hacking. "This is a firewall created by NASA for the Pentagon!" *Scrambles on the keyboard for 7 seconds" "And we're in!"
@feliz2892
@feliz2892 2 ай бұрын
The movie's not about it.
@isbestlizard
@isbestlizard 2 ай бұрын
I'd be like The Queens Gambit but all the pieces are moving wrong and nobody cares because 'only chess nerds will notice'
@feliz2892
@feliz2892 2 ай бұрын
@@isbestlizard No
@kieranharwood7186
@kieranharwood7186 2 ай бұрын
@@isbestlizard Little while ago I watched Hellraiser V: Inferno and there's a random scene of the protagonist playing chess (on a basketball court, as you do) and I was baffled at what was happening on the board. Friday the 13th Part 2 also features a chess game that seems to have been set-up by randomly placing pieces on the board and seeing what happens... So honestly, Queen's Gambit putting more than 5 minute's effort into making the Chess games make sense would have been better than the average film/show.
@sarmatianns
@sarmatianns 2 ай бұрын
You forgot the part where the hacker fails the first time, then makes a slightly frumpy face, then presses the keys for 7 seconds and says "we're in".
@troliskimosko
@troliskimosko 2 ай бұрын
Luckily for this movie, it isn’t really about the math. Or the physics, biology, or any of the subjects Will is designed as a character to be the best at. Putting an olympiad level problem on the board would only really have been to appease a slight few. It’s for the same narrative reasons science fiction movies mess with the physics of interstellar travel or gravity to make for a better, easier to follow story. Good will hunting isn’t about Will being a Genius. It’s about him being an idiot. His IQ does very little positive for him, and where he lacks emotionally is what Sean is for.
@iimaginewagons632
@iimaginewagons632 2 ай бұрын
Yeah not a big fan of this video, I feel it’s disingenuous to pose the lack of difficult math as a problem, it very clearly wasn’t the point. Even if it was a bigger part of the movie, I can’t really blame the writers for failing to write a character smarter than themselves.
@Cabesandia
@Cabesandia 2 ай бұрын
If you think the movie is about him being an idiot you may have watched another movie. Maybe Dumb and Dumber.
@DoloresLehmann
@DoloresLehmann 2 ай бұрын
@@Cabesandia You can be a genius and still be an idiot. That's no contradiction.
@Cabesandia
@Cabesandia 2 ай бұрын
@@DoloresLehmann and the movie can be about him being both
@DoloresLehmann
@DoloresLehmann 2 ай бұрын
@@Cabesandia Exactly. So, what's your problem?
@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom
@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom 2 ай бұрын
Basically everytime a scientist watch a space movie. A car person watching a car movie. A musician watching a musical. A lawyer watching a legal movie.
@lolilollolilol7773
@lolilollolilol7773 2 ай бұрын
I don't see why directors shouldn't put as much effort in their script as a writer would in that case. See also, 11 years ago " The problem in Good Will Hunting - Numberphile"
@JD-gk7eh
@JD-gk7eh 2 ай бұрын
I have a PhD in math and none of the math liberties in the film bother me. It's not what the film is about at all. In your other examples, the movie is largely about the thing. Legal movies almost always center on the actual courtroom antics, the lawyer's skill being the thing the movie is about. They don't really make legal films what are about, say, a junior lawyer trying to negotiate the social organization of lawyer circles. It's always about that guy being a stud in the courtroom. Car movies aren't about complex friendships and drama that ensues in those communities of people; they're about "how we go vroom vroom." That's why when those things are implausible or just made it, it's annoying, because the details of those things are critical to the plot. It's not mentioned how Will and Lambeau solve problems; it's just shown that they do and them working together is the point, not the problem they solved. The movie never mentions the details of them working on a paper or what journal it will go in, for example.
@adambuchbinder2791
@adambuchbinder2791 2 ай бұрын
Or anyone who works in IT watching pretty much anything. It's all so bad.
@nessy9022
@nessy9022 Ай бұрын
Given their fantastical nature, musicals aren't so much an issue for musicians as biopics or fiction, where core characters are musicians.
@leusmaximusx
@leusmaximusx Ай бұрын
@@JD-gk7eh the movie is about math but the writers Damon and Affleck dont know duck any about it so, we get some psychosocial bable crap that american kids wont have a headache watching it is an inspiring movie about being happy not learning math as the educational system is too concerned only with the savants, while the rest of the weak other students are ignored.
@halneufmille
@halneufmille 2 ай бұрын
Also, putting 3 before 4 is quite dumb. It's like saying 3. Compute (i + j)^2 4. Compute (1 + 3)^2 After finding 3, 4 is just a special case.
@Pandora_The_Panda
@Pandora_The_Panda 2 ай бұрын
In highschool math, that's often how exercises are structured. But yeah, for advanced more complex algebra, etc. It's probably not super useful to work in this order.
@torgeirHD03
@torgeirHD03 2 ай бұрын
I agree that they could've been slightly more accurate with the math, especially since one of the actors (John Mighton) actually has a PhD in math. But, if we change the movie to Will being extremely talented in something other than math it doesn't really affect the narrative that much.
@mrbrightside3440
@mrbrightside3440 2 ай бұрын
His gripe isn’t that he’s extremely talented in maths specifically, it could be anything. The problem is that it uses extreme creative liberty that nearly obscures the message of the movie. His overwhelming genius blurs the line between the real and the fantastical, which is a shame because the rest of the movie is very grounded and honest. The movie wouldn’t lose anything by showing Will working hard at something, learning something new, admitting he doesn’t know something etc
@rickdesper
@rickdesper 2 ай бұрын
I'd compare and contrast this movie with the Biopic The Man Who Knew Infinity, about the legitimate genius Ramanujan. The latter film makes it clear that Ramanujan has generational ability in math, but it doesn't take the extra step of having him demean world-class mathematicians as a way of saying he's some kind of Kyrptonian in math. Damon and Affleck could have had Will Hunting be a genius without taking the extra step of describing Lambeau's work as "a joke". And they do this while botching the content of the math being presented. There are worse movies about math, but there are also far better ones.
@2adamast
@2adamast 2 ай бұрын
My gripe was that he was also exceptionally good in basket and that I could solve the second problem eyes closed, while I am a joke in math. There is also an older short story of a young math genius, who also got recognition and the girl , then claimed he lost his math and just stayed where he was.
@JD-gk7eh
@JD-gk7eh 2 ай бұрын
@@rickdesper The reason will demeans Lambeau is that Will is an asshole. He's arrogant. Sean calls him that. Will keeps everyone's at arms length with a thick dose of sarcasm and trash talk. He doesn't want people to like him that much because he can't really handle that, as we see several times in the movie.
@captainstabbin5374
@captainstabbin5374 2 ай бұрын
@@mrbrightside3440 the movie WOULD lose its entire plot if will had to work at his math and his smarts.
@brianignesh8337
@brianignesh8337 2 ай бұрын
You’re like the pop culture 3blue1brown I love it
@copywright5635
@copywright5635 2 ай бұрын
Thank you! 3b1b production quality is crazy, but I hope I can get close someday.
@brianignesh8337
@brianignesh8337 2 ай бұрын
@@copywright5635 honestly thought this was a 3b1b video until i saw the channel name 😭😭
@w花b
@w花b 2 ай бұрын
Wut
@KWBR1123
@KWBR1123 2 ай бұрын
@@w花b3blue1brown is a channel that explain maths with really good editing
@mfv1977
@mfv1977 2 ай бұрын
Philosophy major here with an undergraduate degree. I have the SAME relationship with Abel Ferrara’s 1995 “The Addiction”. It’s a great movie, unless you studied collegiate philosophy. It centers around PhD philosophy students. Yet during the entire film, their theses are all based around second year basic Continental philosophy undergraduate courses. A professor tells the PhD students to read a Sartre essay that I dissected in 200 level courses. Philosophy doctorate theses are HIGHLY specialized and specific. 0.001%, I would wager, would to be write a paper about the themes in “Being And Nothingness”. It would be a hackneyed thesis that would never get approved for investigation. When I saw the movie, it hit me like a ton of bricks. Cops, doctors, journalists, etc must cackle at soooo many films. I was too dense to realize that until it directly affected me. Great video.
@Exeggutive
@Exeggutive 2 ай бұрын
9:16 “verify this is correct” bold of you to assume I retained a single piece of information after you finished saying it
@lolilollolilol7773
@lolilollolilol7773 2 ай бұрын
The adjacency matrix describes the number of links from each node to its neighbors, aka the number of neighbors. So if you apply the matrix to a vector where the index of the row is the node number, then you get the number of its neighbors. So if you apply the matrix twice, you will get the number of neighbors of the neighbors, (aka you did a 2 step walk). If you apply it a 3rd time, you get the neighbors of those neighbors (aka 3 step walk). Applying the matrix 3 times is equivalent to multiplying it by itself twice (aka matrix to the cube), and it gives the number of 3 step walks.
@vosk143
@vosk143 2 ай бұрын
@@lolilollolilol7773can you tell me how there’re three 3-step walks from 1 to 4? I can’t wrap my head around this
@loic883
@loic883 Ай бұрын
@@vosk143 same, i don't get it if youre not able to walk back
@nubius
@nubius 2 ай бұрын
This is the equivalent of watching an action film if you know a lot about weapon systems. Thank you, this was quite enjoyable.
@FrostByte112
@FrostByte112 2 ай бұрын
Good Will hunting a a movie about math in the same sense that Shindler's List is about people taking a train. It isn't.
@Chubbywubbysandwich
@Chubbywubbysandwich 2 ай бұрын
its not hard to search for an actual hard problem or idk maybe it was hard at the time when it was written due to the lack of internet.
@FrostByte112
@FrostByte112 2 ай бұрын
@@Chubbywubbysandwich That's the thing: this movie was made before the internet, streaming services, smartphones and social media. It was never meant to be scrutinized like this. The actual problem on the board was missing the point: it could have been completely invisible for all I care. It's irrelevant to the point of the story.
@DoloresLehmann
@DoloresLehmann 2 ай бұрын
@@FrostByte112 Yes, it should have been invisible. That would have made it much better.
@JoypadDivison
@JoypadDivison 2 ай бұрын
​@@FrostByte112The internet existed in 1997. 😂 It would have been easy to search for a math problem or just get in touch with a university. Authors and screenwriters are just lazy sometimes. I don't think this was true here though, very few of the audience members saw this as an easy problem, and the few who did probably felt very clever. At least one of them felt so clever they made an entire video about it.
@PeterJames143
@PeterJames143 2 ай бұрын
well okay but it's nice when the universe a story is set in is somewhat plausible or works. Queen's Gambit is good because the chess is fucking legit. John Wick is good because Keanu's martial arts is really fucking good. The Matrix is good because Keanu's kung fu is cool. So if Good Will Hunting is basically bullshit behind the scenes well that's just not ideal.
@timseguine2
@timseguine2 2 ай бұрын
In an alternate universe half of the video's comments are: the singular of matrices is matricee.
@chuckburchard818
@chuckburchard818 Ай бұрын
Well done!
@GarrettPetersen
@GarrettPetersen 2 ай бұрын
There's a scene in the movie 21 where Kevin Spacey teaches a math class, and it's so clearly written by a humanities major. Every little detail is a humanities class with math terms slapped on top. The class focuses on the biographies of famous mathematicians rather than problem solving. And even little things are wrong, like Spacey asking students to turn in their "papers" instead of their assignments or problem sets.
@rickdesper
@rickdesper 2 ай бұрын
FWIW, I like the idea of math students having to write papers from time to time. That's how the work is done at the highest levels, after all. But, yes, it's far more standard to have problem sets.
@eadghe
@eadghe 2 ай бұрын
3:37 Skylar too? Dude, the scene where Will explodes and turn it into an argument between him and her and she realizing what he went through always pulls a heart string. Her switch to that kind of teary empathy is just a cherry on a cake. Totally a memorial moment of the movie.
@videos-de-fisica
@videos-de-fisica 2 ай бұрын
looks at the work of a Fields medalist and says it's child's play -> doesn't really solve anything -> leaves with no further elaboration
@ProfeLuisFelipe
@ProfeLuisFelipe 2 ай бұрын
They also take a lot of creative liberties with the Ramanujan Biography during the scene in the bar between Shean (Robin Williams) and Lambo (Stellan Skarsgard) although to be fair I've known a lot of people, even mathematicians who actually believe Ramanujan basically someday found a math book and got all his knoledge magically from that simple book
@q335r49
@q335r49 2 ай бұрын
I think the biggest thing GWH is missing is "love for the field". People who devote their life to a discipline love it, they love music, they love math, they love art, the business, the farm, etc. etc. WH does not. For a realistic loner genius, who is willing to go into poverty or whatever tremendous sacrifices for art, philosophy, math, etc. -- and I know many, either personally or throughout history -- this love is immediately apparent and never diminishes. Their antagonism with others is centered entirely around love -- how *others have betrayed or diminished the field that they love*. In other words, in no world is there ever a person like the main character, who has committed that much time to a field and demonstrates no love for it. And this is why I think the movie is downright unwatchable -- because Hollywood, California, USA is so myopic, so unaware, so narcissistic, so limited in their worldview that they can conceive of love only between man and woman or human and other human but not love of a man for a project (a work, a farm, a field) that is, without a doubt, far, far stronger.
@Sn0wZer0
@Sn0wZer0 Ай бұрын
100% spot on. Rogue geniuses can be angry but it's an anger directed at people and the field not being "all-in" enough on new ideas or able to see. It would be funny to get Hollywood to write a screenplay for a movie where the best actor ever hates acting, movies, and directors, but everyone realizes they are the best actor ever. Obviously that doesn't make sense, but they will write stories.like that for other fields. I could never watch GWH from beginning to end, but I thought "A Beautiful Mind" was a great movie. I'm sure the latter was very dramatized, but at least the singular-obsession fits correctly.
@q335r49
@q335r49 Ай бұрын
@@Sn0wZer0 Yeah I think a beautiful mind was decent. Man's relationship to an inhuman sublime, eg math, tends to transform a person, into not just being a pretentious jerk, the idea being that no matter how big you are relative to other men, you still pale in comparison to the object of study. Beautiful mind deals with insanity, but wish it situated it more in the context of something like transhuman transformation before the sublime. I'm not sure if this counts, but it would be interesting to see a movie about Kurt Godel, who was a famous mathematician that died from self-starvation because he would only eat meals that his wife prepared.
@captainstabbin5374
@captainstabbin5374 2 ай бұрын
it specifically doesnt show the equations in great detail or try and explain them to you because you arent meant to see them or try to solve them, the point of them is to look complex so that you see will as super smart, its just a placeholder for any real or fictional math problem so complicated that you cant comprehend it. this cant be a fault on the movie, i mean if they just never showed any of the math on screen at any point, would you be happier then? they are placeholders, they look complicated from a distance and in a blur to the viewer
@existenceispain2074
@existenceispain2074 2 ай бұрын
I think it is kind of a respect problem for me. You don't just get into a field and solve every problem there is. There is nothing truly easy under the sun. It takes time and effort to become expert at anything even if you are a genius, it is the work of many people before us. You should respect their contributions, you are standing on the shoulders of giants. It is the collective wisdom of human. I find it quite off putting. It is as if they are only using math as a tool 11:25 for displaying some non realistic genus without respecting the subject itself.
@copywright5635
@copywright5635 2 ай бұрын
this ^^
@tijgertjekonijnwordopgegeten
@tijgertjekonijnwordopgegeten 2 ай бұрын
I'm not that good in math, so I didn't notice this in this particular movie. But you've just perfectly described the feeling I get when this happens in a field that I do know something about.
@Cabesandia
@Cabesandia 2 ай бұрын
He has this big "badass" moment at the beginning of the movie where he's at a bar and mocks some guys for not reading advanced philosophy or whatever lol it just comes across as pretentious and stupid.
@muffingaming2615
@muffingaming2615 2 ай бұрын
​@Cabesandia tbf if I remember right the dude started it with Ben Affleck's character and Will walks in and knocks it out of the park. Either way it is pretentious, they're intellectuals. That's the worse thing about intellectuals: they engross themselves into the knowledge they study to equate it to some form importance. It's obnoxious, just because say I studied physics sure I should probably think it's important to at least me. But that doesn't mean I should look down on people for not studying it or even knowing what I know. It's insanely egomaniacal like what Will does when he comes across his therapist to start stroking himself off with his knowledge to verbally assault the man. To think you're so high and mighty for what you study but the efforts of others who studied don't also make them intelligent? It's just dumb and a real shame that people like this really exist.
@mb2776
@mb2776 2 ай бұрын
100%. I have a high IQ but due to my upbringing and violent father, I got no support, zero help with homework etc. My grades were never good... I got a bride understanding of many things but once I hit algebra and especially calulus, I had to study like everyone else. If I don't put in the work, I'm not smarter than anyone. Having a high IQ just helps to understand some things more quickly, making wierd connections and relations about things.
@jonathangorman978
@jonathangorman978 2 ай бұрын
As an expert chess player, i can relate to the nerd rage exhibited here. There was/is a common trope in nearly every sitcom where 2 players play chess and right when one of them starts bragging about their superior ability, the other replies "checkmate". Bad enough any novice player would brag while not being able to see they lose in literally 1 move, the timing is lazily plot driven. Thats not the worst part for nerd rage however. The worst part is the pieces are usually not even set up legally let alone could a real game or checkmate be possible! Im starting to hypothesize that chess wasnt the point of the show, but cant be certain.
@mistertagomago7974
@mistertagomago7974 2 ай бұрын
Stay away from Code Geass that shit will drive you insane.
@RH-ro3sg
@RH-ro3sg 2 ай бұрын
Well, the 'mate in 1 move' part could still be explained in terms of them actually being novice players who think way too highly of themselves (of course this explanation becomes harder to sell when they've boasted in the scene before they were a club champion three times or some such thing). The illegal position thing bothers me too, even when I know it isn't really relevant to the story and most viewers won't even notice it.
@jonathangorman978
@jonathangorman978 2 ай бұрын
@RH-ro3sg my favorite is when the checkmated in 1 player after bragging also gives a speech about their unstoppable opening strategy name and all
@donkylefernandez4680
@donkylefernandez4680 2 ай бұрын
The Simpsons did a love letter episode to Chess and even brought Magnus Carlson on as a guest star. I think you'd REALLY like the accuracy of the episode. Just a taste, Homer's journey starts with him losing in a very specific way, the Fool's Mate; losing in the shortest amount of moves that can only happen if you and your opponent play in a specific way.
@ReturningNull
@ReturningNull 2 ай бұрын
I want to thank you for this! I recently added a math major to my computer science major, but have found myself frustrated because I haven’t enjoyed math as much. Thanks to your videos, I have started following along when you do the math, which has forced me to look deeper and think further about math! This has been a lot of fun!!! Thank you so much!
@DrMikeE100
@DrMikeE100 2 ай бұрын
PhD mathematician/ professor here: 1. Yes, finding the adjacency matrix of a graph is trivial. 2. No, the singular of 'vertices' is 'vertex' - not the non-word neologism of 'verticy'. 3. Correct - it's graph theory... not the word salad with "advanced Fourier..." whatever nonsense. 4. Getting the numbers of three-step walks is taking the cube of the original adjacency matrix. You're not a mathematician, you say? I can't say I'm surprised, but I do give you credit for the your observations about the absurdity of a Fields Medalist going ga-ga over a student who really did not solve something that hard... (And I would have enjoyed seeing you set up the generating functions!)
@mmatt314
@mmatt314 2 ай бұрын
Most people mess up going from one "vertex" to multiple "vertices". Never heard them referred to singularly as a "vertice"
@MarkMcMillen2112
@MarkMcMillen2112 2 ай бұрын
Lots of movies that delve into difficult topics don't get actual experts to help them with the details. But then again, most of the people who watch these movies have no knowledge of the specialized field, so it barely matters. I'm really impressed with movies that do get the details right when I'm in a position to understand them. Its the difference between basic entertainment and really great art.
@Pyrokan
@Pyrokan 2 ай бұрын
My brother in Christ, you really want a dedicated filmmaker to actually solve one of the big math problems for the sake of authenticity. I respect that. ;)
@519Goats
@519Goats 2 ай бұрын
they did it in futurerama all the time
@YTSparty
@YTSparty 2 ай бұрын
I totally agree. I think anyone who has had math or science to a significant degree is annoyed with this movie. My most annoying line is "I see you used Green's Theorem here" "Oh, is that what that was?". As if Will discovered this theorem on his own. But if you know calculus to a good degree, Green's Theorem is hardly rare. It's a common theorem. Somehow Will remembers vague paragraphs with page numbers in some rare book on colony economics, but he doesn't know a common theorem in calculus? It's for effect, but it's stupid. The other annoyance is how he knows Organic Chemistry. Now many say Organic Chem is hard. But a lot of it is memorization. So he sat down and memorized Org Chem for no reason? Like Skylar says "you just did it for fun?". That's not brilliance, that's kind of stupid. It's like memorizing the names of everyone in the NYC phone book.
@jonfai
@jonfai 2 ай бұрын
Saying “vertice” instead of vertex is killing me
@kabivose
@kabivose 2 ай бұрын
I was wondering if it's an American thing
@johnferris
@johnferris 2 ай бұрын
@@kabivose nope. American here, and this is also wrong on this continent.
@jonfai
@jonfai 2 ай бұрын
@@kabivose I’m American….i think we say vertex lol
@DamienHogan
@DamienHogan 2 ай бұрын
Quoting Dr Nick Nicholas, PhD in Linguistics from Melbourne University... What is the plural form of the word "vertex"? Why is it irregular? "Vertices." Why? Because the word is straight of out Latin, and Latin has a lot of declensions that look weird from the perspective of English. In particular, the plural vertices suggests that the singular should be vertix, just like the singular of matrices is matrix. There are a lot of -ices plurals corresponding to -ex singulars in Latin thoough, and historical linguists mumble something about analogy and/or vowel reduction. Sihler's New Comparative Grammar p. 67 is my source for the mumblings. Why use the Latin vertices rather than a regular vertexes? Because (a) vertex is a learnèd, rare word; (b) vertex is a word straight out of Latin, that never really was assimilated into English; (c) even common Latin words following the -ex -ices pattern don't readily get regularised into English, precisely because -ex is so redolent of Latin. We say indexes now, but we still say indices too; it's the more common meaning of index, as what's in the back of a book, that gets the English indexes plural.
@StefanReich
@StefanReich 2 ай бұрын
The creator really missed an opportunity to say "matrice" here
@scarf550
@scarf550 2 ай бұрын
1:45 It is also worth to note that Salieri promoted Mozart's music while he was alive, and he also taught his son.
@rickclark7508
@rickclark7508 2 ай бұрын
It doesn't matter how hard the actual math problem was because most people don't know advanced math so the actual point was still made. For the audience it's just supposed to look like a complex math problem that this kid figures out.
@petergerdes1094
@petergerdes1094 2 ай бұрын
I vaguely remember hearing an interview with someone who was responsible for writing the stuff on the board for this movie. I think they were just asked to put some mathy stuff on the board and I bet they did graph theory. Re: Fourier transform, presumably you could prove that a given representation is equal to the Fourier transform of a certain expression.
@copywright5635
@copywright5635 2 ай бұрын
Hm, perhaps? I'm not exactly sure about how one would end up doing that, but I'm sure they didn't put too much thought into it
@rodrigopalmaescuvier5456
@rodrigopalmaescuvier5456 2 ай бұрын
i didn't even realize the video ended, i was expecting another 15 min minimum. Great job!
@joeokeefe2771
@joeokeefe2771 2 ай бұрын
Gus van Sant has gone on record saying that the math in the film is just made to look complicated for non mathematicians, so your correct that none of this makes sense 😭😭
@____uncompetative
@____uncompetative 2 ай бұрын
Also Uma Thurman's thumbs aren't really that enormous.
@joeokeefe2771
@joeokeefe2771 2 ай бұрын
@@____uncompetative agreed
@roeltz
@roeltz 2 ай бұрын
I hate that a production team for a full-blown Hollywood movie doesn't come even close to the respect that Futurama writers have for their audience in a single science/math gag.
@joeokeefe2771
@joeokeefe2771 2 ай бұрын
@@roeltz this is true 😭😭
@dyl351
@dyl351 2 ай бұрын
Good Will Hunting is cool and all, but thanks for recommending Amadeus. One of my new favorites. 🙏
@bigwilly528
@bigwilly528 2 ай бұрын
Turns out the movie isn’t made for huge nerds
@calling-hours
@calling-hours 2 ай бұрын
😂 gg
@NewMatildaDotCom
@NewMatildaDotCom Ай бұрын
This is very good quality journalism/voice over/content creation. Thank you :)
@LucharPS
@LucharPS 2 ай бұрын
I may not be remembering everything about the movie correctly but perhaps the most realistic part is that nobody in the public school system seemed to have previously identified Will’s abilities.
@classicsciencefictionhorro1665
@classicsciencefictionhorro1665 Ай бұрын
lol. True.
@acai4370
@acai4370 Ай бұрын
Never thought I would watch an analytical video about this and be taught liner algebra again, amazing
@williamstraub3844
@williamstraub3844 2 ай бұрын
Richard Feynman was once asked if another Michael Faraday type might come along someday to help solve our physics problems. Feynman said no, because Faraday was not conversant in the math needed to do the work (Faraday barely knew algebra). I see the same with GWH. I idea that a janitor might be a genius is okay, but without the math background he'd be useless. Ramanujan was also an underemployed genius, but he knew his stuff and had worked on it alone for years before being discovered.
@Slowdive52
@Slowdive52 2 ай бұрын
I’ve always held the opinion that Will’s character would be far more interesting if he was an artist. Great video!
@AbhinavShishodia-sr7md
@AbhinavShishodia-sr7md 2 ай бұрын
while i have not studied graph theory, i have studied matrices and determinants in high school, after you explained the pathways as elements of matrix, it became too easy for MIT lol
@bensyversen
@bensyversen 2 ай бұрын
Really nicely done video! I’ll just add that in my experience jazz musicians feel a similar way about how the movie Whiplash treats their profession’s culture. As you say, these movies are really just using those scenarios to tell a story about broader human dynamics.
@musikSkool
@musikSkool 2 ай бұрын
The irony of the argument at 11:55. He somehow thought that there was one path to his position... The pure irony of giving them that math problem.
@PathToPerfectionn
@PathToPerfectionn 2 ай бұрын
Just watched this movie yesterday, perfect timing with this post, I feel like good will hunting is more about psychology than it is about math.
@celem12
@celem12 2 ай бұрын
To bring a counterpoint : He is not a Gary Stew. A Mary Sue or a Gary stew character, is one that never really fails, is good at everything, everyone around them just instantly love/like them. Will Hunting might have out of this world intelect, but he has a tragic past that makes him a pretty shit person with a whole world of doubts and fear and trust issues. And with Robin, learns to love himself and be a better person. He grows has a character through out the film which a Mary/Gary character usually don't grow since they are perfect from the get go.
@advancedstupidity5459
@advancedstupidity5459 2 ай бұрын
I was also bothered by this characterization. A Mary Sue is a character with no character flaws. Will is practically a walking character flaw.
@LordPrometheous
@LordPrometheous 2 ай бұрын
"I have to see about a girl" was the most satisfying and to the point character development I can remember in a long time.
@warwickdumas2573
@warwickdumas2573 2 ай бұрын
Right. He's a Gary Stew as long as it's mathematics, but he's too stunted even to apply himself to make the most out of that.
@thisiscompletelyreta
@thisiscompletelyreta 2 ай бұрын
Perfect point
@dinochris2136
@dinochris2136 2 ай бұрын
Yeah - I have a Ph.D. with a major in chemistry - certainly wouldn't have taken a whole night to decipher the nmr spectrum that they showed either, but i don't feel the need to make a youtube video about it. Don't have time to make a video every time that a movie gets the maths or science wrong, but power to you dude for the education. Mass spectrometer that spits out molecular structure for Sean Connery would have sure save me a heap of time :D
@decare696
@decare696 2 ай бұрын
There are 4 ways to go 4→2→3→2, then add the remaining three: 4→2→4→2 4→2→1→2 4→1→4→2 and you have 7.
@copywright5635
@copywright5635 2 ай бұрын
bravo!
@only_aidan7218
@only_aidan7218 2 ай бұрын
There's 4 iterations of 4->2->3->2 1. top line from 2 to 3 and then back through top line 2. top line from 2 to 3 and then back through bottom line 3. bottom line from 2 to 3 and then back through top line 4. bottom line from 2 to 3 and then back through bottom line Then there's 4242, 4212 and 4142 as you mentioned
@nolanscripture
@nolanscripture 2 ай бұрын
Good Will Hunting is my favorite movie of all time. However, this is a fair criticism and one I've seen different variations of over the past two decades or so. Good video, and subbed. 👍
@imacg5
@imacg5 2 ай бұрын
In my head canon this is the prequel to Rounders, where Matt Damon found his love for gambling, they just replaced gambling with mathematics.
@Freshprankstv1
@Freshprankstv1 2 ай бұрын
Yep then in Bourne series he's a genius level strategist
@rtothec1234
@rtothec1234 25 күн бұрын
I like how the main point about the math is basically: _it can’t be that hard if I can do it._ 😂
@JohnDoe-ti2np
@JohnDoe-ti2np 2 ай бұрын
I enjoyed your going through the math problem. I don't really have a problem with the problem per se. I believe that the mathematician Danny Kleitman was asked to provide a real mathematics problem for the movie (which he dutifully did, and in exchange, was made an extra in the film, with about one second of screen time, walking by the window in the Minnie Driver scene), but they didn't give him the proper context, so he didn't know what level of difficulty of problem to supply them with. Anyway, since the average American's mathematical knowledge is so low, it doesn't really matter what problem is put on the blackboard, since they won't understand it. A more serious criticism, which you point out, is that even though there are mathematical prodigies out there who can solve some very difficult problems with lightning speed, there are definitely lots of problems which nobody can solve effortlessly. The director could have fixed this flaw without disturbing the main point of the movie, by still portraying Will as a prodigy, but a prodigy who refuses to apply himself to any problem that he can't solve instantly, because it bores him. That would be realistic and would also plausibly evoke frustration and jealousy in a top mathematician. Sadly, again I think the problem is that the director knew that the American public is so ignorant of mathematics that there was little point in trying to get this kind of detail right.
@aspzx
@aspzx 2 ай бұрын
This is an excellent point. It would have been so much more compelling to both academics and non-academics alike to see a character that shows true genius but won't apply it to the really hard problems. The attitude extends not just to academia but to life in general so it fits with the rest of the movie. Great idea.
@iimaginewagons632
@iimaginewagons632 2 ай бұрын
I know I should have expected this clicking on a video discussing the math in this movie, but I feel like Will being a prodigy isn’t really that important? I think him being perfect at any academic thing he tries is more to show that his lack of “success” in life doesn’t stem from him being incapable, allowing the movie to focus more on the emotional and social barriers he struggles with.
@jo-mi4966
@jo-mi4966 2 ай бұрын
Love the movie, but haven't seen it for a while. I thought that the genius was in the fact that Will hadn't really studied any of those subjects and the fact that he was able to intuitively pick the ideas within them up extremely fast without needing to spend time figuring them out. No? Regardless. nice video!
@laurilehtonen5723
@laurilehtonen5723 2 ай бұрын
I like watching therapists' reactions to this movie. They are very illuminating.
@howard5992
@howard5992 2 ай бұрын
That is actually a more relevant point. Also, the reactions of those who have suffered childhood abuse. Some people felt it spoke to them but others were astounded (and angered) by how superficial and unrealistic they felt it was (in terms of the recovery process).
@captainstabbin5374
@captainstabbin5374 2 ай бұрын
@@howard5992 the recovery seems fast and superficial, but why does wills healing process need to end with that single scene in the movie? why cant he continue to heal for the rest of his life as we all do with our trauma, and most of all, how self centered do you actually have to be to claim other peoples trauma and healing need to look exactly like yours for it to be legitimate?.
@jackkingsby116
@jackkingsby116 2 ай бұрын
The way you describe your love of Amadeus even with its historical inaccuracies is how I feel about the Doors movie. It gets a lot wrong for the purposes of drama, but tells a compelling story.
@gabrielgauchez9435
@gabrielgauchez9435 2 ай бұрын
if they wanted to make a story about a math genius who was outside the system and retired from math without giving his full potential they should made a movie about grigori perelman
@jonahvandermel
@jonahvandermel 2 ай бұрын
That's the thing, that's not the story they wanted to tell. The math is set dressing for the story. He could have just as easily been a genius at chemistry, physics, music, etc. and the movie would be largely the same. The math problems in this movie are actually macguffins to get the plot rolling moreso than an important element of the story itself.
@j.a.8992
@j.a.8992 2 ай бұрын
Perlman's mom, I believe, was a university math professor and she quit her job to foster his talent. He grew up in an ideal environment for math and his success is great but not altogether unexpected. Will Hunting grew up in abusive foster families who presumably were not encouraging him to do 4-6 hours of math a day as a young kid. His mathematical ability is of course simply magic. (I still enjoyed the movie.) Everyone who's outstanding at math does lots and lots of math and has talent for it.
@dorpachter8577
@dorpachter8577 2 ай бұрын
Gabriel that isn't the topic of the story.
@gabrielgauchez9435
@gabrielgauchez9435 2 ай бұрын
​@@j.a.8992 i see the ambiguity of my comment i didnt mean outside the system like if the guy wasnt in math but when he solve the problem it took like 3 years of verification for the community to know what perelman have proven, even tough his knowledge wasnt unexpected that sounds kinda magical to me, damm just thinking a bit i can think of a lot of mathematicians that would make good movies mr le blank turing tartaglia come to mind
@whosestone
@whosestone 2 ай бұрын
Ha! Been digging through matrices for neural networks and this really helped me understand the whole deal. Thanks!
@Jordanmilo
@Jordanmilo 2 ай бұрын
The math is just a MacGuffin; it’s there to get the plot rolling. They used mathematics because most of us have no idea of advanced math-that problem looks extremely difficult. But they could have put physics or Ancient Greek on the board: same effect. Will is wicked smaht and is wasting his gifts.
@knotwilg3596
@knotwilg3596 2 ай бұрын
True. But why not get it right too? Any mathematician could have told them to write down the Goldbach Conjecture on the chalkboard, which is super easy to state yet unsolved, and put "Goldbach Conjecture" in Skarsgard's lines. Every mathematician would have chuckled instead of facepalmed. And for the rest of the audience it would have made no difference.
@segsiv
@segsiv Ай бұрын
@@knotwilg3596In the end of it why get it right? If just one proponent of this entire debacle is solved, there would be no need to converse about it. It’s honestly more genius to leave an easier problem on the board that even the 1% will understand vs having 0% understand and no be left as a critic. The 1% won’t be able to complain about the impressive math beholden, while the 99% is still left amazed by the same exact work. What do you gain from this?
@gluffoful
@gluffoful Ай бұрын
I think the point was that the math isn't advanced at all - probably within the reach of high school students in many countries. There is another problem in the movie about finding all homeomorphically irreducible acyclic graphs of 10 nodes. Also pretty straightforward. If "1+1" is difficulty level "0" and proving Fermat's Last Theorem "100", the difficulty level of the problems in the movie are probably still "0".
@mrbatweed
@mrbatweed 2 ай бұрын
Love this film. Love maths. Love how "Vertex" -> "Vertices" -> "Verticie".
@nayman2801
@nayman2801 2 ай бұрын
PLEASE, this movie has a MacGuffin, and it has almost nothing to do with the actual math problem. It could have been not shown, and been just as important. It is a fantastic movie.
@lolilollolilol7773
@lolilollolilol7773 2 ай бұрын
it's not, but if you have a college level math level, it's offputting.
@sandermez3856
@sandermez3856 2 ай бұрын
the MacGuffin was the apple...
@imarchello
@imarchello 2 ай бұрын
@@lolilollolilol7773 so you're a Mac user, huh?
@xerxes9405
@xerxes9405 2 ай бұрын
I loved the video!! I don't know why they wouldn't have a consultant ensure the problem was actually difficult enough to warrant the genius label. But by the scene at 9:25 they aren't talking about this problem anymore, this video is just the one he gave the students. The one Will sets on fire is after he and Lambeau have been working privately together for a while. By the way Lambeau reacts, it's something beyond even his abilities. If he's a Fields medalist then that would terrify him. I know Will wouldn't be there without solving this graphs problem first, but I think the movie does better supporting his genius label later on.
@henrythacker7369
@henrythacker7369 2 ай бұрын
"do you like apples?" "Oh lord I do like apples, wow this sucks, I can't tell him no because he'll see right through that, because boy do I sure like apples" *clears throat* "No, I don't like apples" "Oh? Really? Uhhmm... Do you like bananas? Because I got her number, isn't that bananas?"
@jankogo
@jankogo 2 ай бұрын
🤣
@Ihaaab
@Ihaaab 2 ай бұрын
Louis ck
@lindenstromberg6859
@lindenstromberg6859 2 ай бұрын
"Do you like apples?!" "Yeah" "Cool, there's a basket of like 30 of them in the lounge."
@russellmoore8187
@russellmoore8187 Ай бұрын
The singular of vertices is vertex, not vertice
@ebogar42
@ebogar42 2 ай бұрын
For all us stupid people it looked smart. That's all that matters.
@NoahMiles47
@NoahMiles47 Ай бұрын
Seems like good will hunting and “whiplash” have the exact same ratio of good:bad. Whiplash similarly has some of the best acting, emotion, and writing I’ve ever seen. But, similar to GWH, it takes extreme liberty with the culture surrounding jazz music. Great video!
@knotwilg3596
@knotwilg3596 2 ай бұрын
Admittedly, the math isn't the point in the movie, but then why not simply get that right too? It would have pleased the mathematicians among us (oh yeah, they got that right!) while making no difference for the 99% others. As the OP points out, the flaky math isn't the actual problem: it's the idea that you can be effortlessly great at something, perhaps anything. This is a perversion of the American Dream, which promises anyone can make it, provided hard work (and some talent). It discourages youngsters to make an effort, rather wait until some sponsor finally sees their genius.
@milfenthusiast1582
@milfenthusiast1582 2 ай бұрын
"It's simple, lemme break it down" *proceeds to explain the most complicated math problem I've ever heard*
@ethervagabond
@ethervagabond 2 ай бұрын
This movie was written from the perspective of someone who was not a genius at math. Matt Damon can't make up genius level math problems, because he's not a genius level mathematician. I don't think there was ever much thought given to the perspective of someone who actually understands the math problem. It's never meant to be taken seriously as a real math problem.
@stephenpreston1410
@stephenpreston1410 2 ай бұрын
They had an enormous budget and also hired mathematicians as consultants, then ignored their suggestions.
@buttscooter420
@buttscooter420 2 ай бұрын
Literally unwatchable /s 🙃
@paraIIIax
@paraIIIax 2 ай бұрын
@@stephenpreston1410 proving OP's point, its not important. Sure, it's strange watching this movie while having a similar problem as homework in uni, with 2 weeks to solve. The average viewer looks at the equation the same way the characters in the movie do. Its just this none important aspect, for the majority , which was irrelevant to it becoming a classic. ( Unfortunately im not sure of good parallels in other fields to draw comparisons but I'll try: ) it's as if your a math focused person looking at protein folding, the whole concept is just too foreign to you that even the most basic problems are hard; the linguistics around the problem are too advanced for the average person to comprehend and start to solve. Even just using the word 'graph' and showing ' a different one' completely usurps the average views understanding of graphs.
@ChnapakPerson
@ChnapakPerson 2 ай бұрын
I love this series of covering shows and movies with math in it. Keep at it! Good job.
@KitCalder
@KitCalder 2 ай бұрын
The genius bit is where the immaturity of the screenwriters comes through the most
@crusader4594
@crusader4594 2 ай бұрын
The screenwriters were geniuses though
@BloggerMusicMan
@BloggerMusicMan 2 ай бұрын
I didn't take math beyond my required high school math, and even I suspected the math in Good Will Hunting didn't reflect immense genius. But it doesn't matter. You nailed at the end why it was a great movie anyway.
@janzwendelaar907
@janzwendelaar907 2 ай бұрын
The most hilarious thing about Amadeus in my opinion, is that Mozart died flat broke, poorer than he would have been if he'd never touched an instrument. Salieri on the other hand was filthy rich and influential.
@Ainglish-qj5bb
@Ainglish-qj5bb 2 ай бұрын
Also, AFAIK, they got along fine. It's just a plot device.
@jemportal4166
@jemportal4166 Ай бұрын
I've never heard of "Amedeus" before, but I'm definitely gonna watch it, it sounds so interesting!
@danifelicesquest
@danifelicesquest 2 ай бұрын
This math problem is like the "not my tempo" scene. It's not about the tempo, the music doesn't matter. It's just a tool to give away the message
@MrHeroicDemon
@MrHeroicDemon Ай бұрын
It's hard because no matter how smart you are, if you have no support, no one caring for you, no help, it makes it harder and harder to continue, and actually achieve something. I believe that's where creating inspiration matters more. If you're passionate, you'll enjoy it, and learn it. If you don't, you don't. One year I was inspired by math, another 4-5 years by biology then chemistry and circles back around into physics and then math again, then repeats. I've been stuck in this loop for 14 years.
@noneofyoubusiness4895
@noneofyoubusiness4895 2 ай бұрын
He also messed up the second problem. If memory serves, Will left out two of the ten possible tree structures, and the Prof didn't notice ...
@WalkthroughHorde
@WalkthroughHorde 2 ай бұрын
he was mid doing it and got caught (and the professor thought he was vandalizing it), discovered he was solving it and that means he was the person who solved the first one.
@morganmorgan675
@morganmorgan675 2 ай бұрын
Im so glad that I walked the graph of youtube videos to end up at this channel. Great content!
@tulliusagrippa5752
@tulliusagrippa5752 2 ай бұрын
The singular of “vertices” is “vertex”, not “vertice”, which is not even an English word.
@captainstabbin5374
@captainstabbin5374 2 ай бұрын
saying a word that has been used in English since the 1600s and is taught in schools and used by math professors and used by over 300 million English speaking people on this planet and counting, "is not even an English word" is fucking idiotic, genuinely, wtf do you thing English is? it is an ever changing language, you speak every day with words some dickhead from the 1800s would say "that's not even a word" like a fucking nerd, its a word in English because English speaking people use it.
@LeonardoGPN
@LeonardoGPN 2 ай бұрын
People like Will exist in abundance in the math field, that is probably why they chose math as the event catalyst, but he is an archetype to debate another thing. If you like the main theme I would also recommend the brazilian book "O Alienista" by Machado de Assis.
@knotwilg3596
@knotwilg3596 2 ай бұрын
99% of the people in the math field have innate ability and put a lot of work on top of it. There have been a few cases where the levels obtained were truly mysterious, like Evariste Galois and Ramanujan. Both however were using idiosyncratic language to express their findings. Will Hunting even knows the syntax of math without being educated.
@shawandrew
@shawandrew 2 ай бұрын
In Glod Will Hunting, they clearly just put something that is mathematical and real that most people won't understand. It's a movie about a genius that doesn't work if the audience has a background in Math, amd and a movie about therapy that won't work if the audience has a background in therapy. Also, how does Will Hunting even understand the question or notation? It's like being a genius makes you automatically understand foreign languages after hearing a single sentence. "But he reads all kinds of books on his spare time". If he were that guy he wouldn't have the friends that he does. He would be seen as a nerd or bookworm to them. I know that there are levels of genius where smart people make complex things seem effortless, but generally the smartest people still push themselves super hard. I am practically sick of the genius who doesn't try at anything in life at all. If that were the case Will Hunting would deserve to be exactly where he was in life.
@Mnil52
@Mnil52 2 ай бұрын
He doesn't tell his friends he reads. He does work hard, he understands the notation because he's read a lot of advanced math books, speed reading them apparently with a photographic memory. He taught himself, realistic? I doubt it, but possible in theory. Satisfied?
@shawandrew
@shawandrew 2 ай бұрын
@@Mnil52 OK, plausible. I guess I have a problem with the way that the sort of person who enjoys speed reading theoretical physics isn't the kind of person who blends in with people with a lukewarm IQ.
@Mnil52
@Mnil52 2 ай бұрын
@@shawandrew Sure, It doesn't sit right because the problem is there probably is no one like him in the world. Because the brain requires a lot in early childhood to develop, prenatal nutrition, good genetics, not living in places with lead water pipes, constant interaction as a baby etc etc so it's not like a lot of future Einsteins are living in the slums of Dehli reading quantum mechanics papers waiting to be discovered.
@WorkingFromHomeToday452
@WorkingFromHomeToday452 Ай бұрын
I did engineering in college, but I was fortunate to take some applied mathematics like differential equations and linear algebra. It was fascinating!
@semajnollissor661
@semajnollissor661 2 ай бұрын
I suggest not becoming a practicing engineer based on how that field is presented in Star Trek.
@jasonbrown3925
@jasonbrown3925 2 ай бұрын
I never paused the movie to look at the problem on the board, and you are right, it could have easily been on an MIT final in matrix/graph theory.
@High-Tech-Geek
@High-Tech-Geek 2 ай бұрын
Dude, did you not see the 2 year old mathematician on America's Got Talent 3 months ago? His father asks the judges for two numbers. The dad is given 7 and 9. The dad writes 7x9 on the white board. The kid looks at it and writes 63 on the board. The judges and the audience of thousands sit there in absolute silence and anticipation until... about 5 seconds go by... and the dad has to say "yes" to his son. Only then, do the judges and crowd exclaim with awe and wonder and cheers of disbelief that this 2 year old got the right answer. No adult in the room of thousands knew whether the kid had gotten 7*9 right until someone said confirmed it. Simon Cowell even said after the kid did a couple more problems, that he wished they'd all had calculators. Moral of the story: Will Hunting is a genius in the eyes of the 99%.
@indigohammer5732
@indigohammer5732 2 ай бұрын
I honestly hope that this isn't true. A child, admittedly a small child, performs a simple multiplication and everyone wets themselves. FFS, 🙄
@High-Tech-Geek
@High-Tech-Geek 2 ай бұрын
@@indigohammer5732 my criticism isn't that the kid did the calculation. It's that the judges and the entire crowd didn't know the correct answer to 7*9.
@TheUmopepisdn
@TheUmopepisdn Ай бұрын
singular of vertices is vertex btw
@sumdumbmick
@sumdumbmick 2 ай бұрын
how did you learn to do this without learning the word 'vertex', though?
@sumdumbmick
@sumdumbmick 2 ай бұрын
I'm curious how you know that the singular of 'matrices' is 'matrix', but not that the singular of 'vertices' is 'vertex'. 'vertex' is not even a rare word. it's one of the basic parts of a parabola, for instance. so... what the hell happened to you that you never learned this word?
@copywright5635
@copywright5635 2 ай бұрын
hehe might've done that one for engagement :3
@stevenpurtee5062
@stevenpurtee5062 2 ай бұрын
Ben's line at the end hit me like a truck too. I was working construction for a couple of years after a year or so of college, during which I did not apply myself at all. The scene hit home. It spoke to me. I got my shit together and went back to school. I got Master's degrees in Mathematics and Physics, and I'm a tenured professor now.
@rashishsaini50
@rashishsaini50 2 ай бұрын
BABE WAKE UP PHANIMATIONS DROPPED
@marcushletko8258
@marcushletko8258 2 ай бұрын
Goddamn it, I love this movie. If I remember correctly (I could be wrong), this movie was one of the reasons I started to self study math. I first saw it when I was in 9th grade geometry, and I don’t know why, but I felt that I related to the character. This movie helped me realize I loved math, and I’ve been self-studying it ever since. Because of this video, I’m going to have to rewatch it again, won’t I. It’s been like 6 times, but it’s still amazing.
@xBINARYGODx
@xBINARYGODx 2 ай бұрын
Will is a Mary Sue within the context of the film. Not just a new math genius - a genius of genius's and good at literally everything - he is what people think of when they hear Einstein, but not what Einstein actually was (and also, Einstein needed a ton of help from other people, and was famously wrong about statistical reality).
@maurice6312
@maurice6312 2 ай бұрын
Not really. The term "Mary Sue" usually refers to a character who is too perfect, without any real weaknesses or challenges, and who often overcomes problems effortlessly. Mary Sues are often overly gifted in all areas and are sometimes seen as self-fulfilling fantasies of the author. Will Hunting in Good Will Hunting does not fit that mold at all. Although he has an exceptional talent for mathematics and other academic fields, he is characterized by profound personal and emotional weaknesses. His unresolved traumas, difficulty trusting others, and tendency to sabotage himself make him a complex and vulnerable character. His problems and inner conflicts are at the heart of the film, and it is precisely these weaknesses that make him human and relatable. Will is anything but a Mary Sue; his emotional flaws and growth process make him a nuanced and compelling character.
@evanpenn1
@evanpenn1 2 ай бұрын
Agree with Maurice. Not being able to connect with other human beings or trust anyone is very far from being a Mary Sue. Will Hunting has quite a journey in which he grows and changes.
@lolilollolilol7773
@lolilollolilol7773 2 ай бұрын
The scientist who was famously literally good at everything was John von Neumann, not Einstein.
@johnchessant3012
@johnchessant3012 2 ай бұрын
if you love GWH, I think you'll also love Gifted. it's one of my all-time favorites: very wholesome, and I had fewer mathematical gripes too
@luisdelatorre2547
@luisdelatorre2547 2 ай бұрын
Absolutely ruined by calling a single vertex a vertice and a single matrix a matrix. Can you re-record and say matrice instead?
@Reggie2000
@Reggie2000 2 ай бұрын
Grow up. 😂
@TheActualCathal
@TheActualCathal 2 ай бұрын
A script consultant on the film, legendary screenwriter William Goldman, also had a gripe with Damon/Affleck about the way it depicts psychiatry, that the patient is somehow the main character in the psychiatrist's life rather than just being among the various patients he'd see in a week.
@edminchau811
@edminchau811 2 ай бұрын
The singular form of "vertices" is "vertex".
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