The Matrix: Zion Hovercraft Analysis

[@kidneystone1345]

there are the submarines of science fiction, stealthy, awesome in it's own fashion, and one of the most scary to crew

[@RED-WEAPON]

Yes, those giant electric arcs are very stealthy. Same with the constant hovering noise.

[@kidneystone1345]

but, the way they are used in this universe is pretty much the same, it was meant not to Attack sentinels but avoid them by sneaking, and in the worst case Emp, at the end the turrets end up useless against swarms

[@ZeusSKF]

​@@RED-WEAPONthe eletric arcs are a problem but the ship doesnt make too much noise because the hammer only got caught in revolutions becase one of the arcs hit some junk

[@originalzo3873]

Bruv you're killing me with your delightful delivery and impeccable accuracy

[@CantTellYou]

his style is impetuous, his delivery is impregnable

[@startreker20]

My guess is that the machines themselves may create the hovercrafts before each cycle and leave their partially destroyed husks for the freed human minds to find each cycle. Otherwise it seems unlikely that the human resistance would have been able to build any of them.

[@certain_sloth]

I figure after the old world there are thousands of not more scavangable hovercraft around the planet they could hull over to zion and leave lying around conveniently. Wouldn't take much effort to enforce the facade since they were all made at the same time period.

[@Drex...]

You are correct, hovercraft technology was originally created by 01(machine city) from before the human-machine war and they actually sold it to human nations(this included stuff like flying cars). Their technological and manufacturing edge was a good excuse for jealous and failing human empires to band together and attack 01. Not sure if this is a retcon but in the first movie it shows the Nebuchadnezzar was created in the USA in 2069, which is most likely not possible as 01 didnt exist yet and i'm pretty sure hovercraft technology also didn't either, hovercraft tech only came after 01 was created in the very late 21st century-early 22nd century.

[@whyjnot420]

@@Drex... Just because one place invents something, doesn't preclude it from being built, copied or refined elsewhere, just look at what China does today for an example. Not to mention things can be bought from one place, taken apart and utilized in another. For instance in ancient Rome, silks would come in from China from the long trade route between the two, They would often be taken apart, thread by thread, in order for the Romans to weave their own clothes from the threads. (very time consuming, but that was the only way for them to do it during the period it happened in) Also, while I remember the part in the Animatrix showing the production of cars with those pads on them and the assembly of one of the pads. I cannot remember anything saying specifically that they were developed after the machines sequestered themselves into 01. Without something stating as much, it is entirely possible for either a) them being invented by machines prior to 01's founding, b) invented by humans in a rough perhaps even proof of concept state and then made into practical devices by the machines. I got the distinct idea that it had been tech that actually predated the construction of 01, though not by long. Created either by the machines themselves, or by the machines while still under the thumb of humanity. At least, that is my memory of it. It has been awhile since I watched The Second Renaissance or any other part of the Animatrix for that matter. I do have the Animatrix up near the top of my list of things to rewatch atm, so if you could provide some more specifics as to when they show the origin of the pads themselves (like I said, I remember the assembly parts, I just cannot remember a part showing their invention), I would appreciate it. That is, if it is indeed from the Animatrix...... If not, I would be interested in learning where the info comes from. All that said, even when the it was just the first movie out, I have always found that builders plate to be rather suspect. I forget the exact line, but there is that one line where Morpheus is talking to Neo and he says that he doesn't know the actual date, then says two numbers and admits he doesn't know which is easier to believe. This idea is only reinforced by that obtuse conversation with the Architect later on. I simply think those builders plates are lies, left by the machines for the purpose of deceit and confusion. They could actually be builders plates made by humans, used in something else, then repurposed by the machines. All it says is mark, number, name, where it was made, year it was made. Not one bit of the info on them, proves they were originally made for the hovercraft. So perhaps they are from something that does literally predate the actual invention of the pads. fun additional thought: The plate itself is a reference to Mark chapter 3 verse 11 (MARK III No.11 is the top line on it) which says "And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God." Just one of the bazillion references to the bible in the movie. edit: btw, just a thought, if the pads were invented in the "late 21st century" a year close to 2070, as 2069 is, could easily be considered "late 21st century" as the term "late" is rather subjective. Though 2069 on its own has special meaning to a human for it is the 100th anniversary of Apollo 11 landing on the moon. edit 2: one other thing about those plates, I looked up images of them, and for the plate on the Nebuchadnezzar, there is _something_ after the A in the line "MADE IN THE USA" though I cannot tell what it is, it might just be a wrinkle or something since the rest of the plate is not smooth. But it appears to have the same gold layer on it that is used for the surface of the letters that make up the surface of the rest of the plate. You can see it in this video at 3:52 it is why I looked up images of the plate.

[@cailco100]

@@whyjnot420 looking at it. it could be an I in which case I can only think of it standing for United States of Artificial Intelligence. and if it is an I it would make the machines making tjem all the more a punch to the nose that people don't look at

[@whyjnot420]

@@cailco100 It could also be from a fractured United States, like in the 1860s with the USA and CSA. But that is a totally random guess.... it could just be the light and an imperfection in the plate. Your suggestion is quite nice though, I like it.

[@philleotardo8760]

“The best defense they had was just not being found.” Finally, someone gets it. During the special features and dvd commentary of the matrix revolutions, hiding out from a sentinel was like stuffing 8 people in a single wide trailer with no electricity for a week. The waxhoskies compared it to the first night of the living dead movie.

[@TheNapster153]

That applies with real life military systems too. I've read someone that keeping tracked of marked targets is easier than 'marking' a target. Many modern systems rely on breaking radar and other tracking software and being able to strike first in hit and run operations.

[@seemslegit6203]

The "real world" tech and designs in matrix were absolutely awesome

[@cesarespinozaspain]

Bloody brilliant! I like how you pace and break down the analysis, that is consistent with available facts and lore, along with intelligent speculation and reasoning to fill in the blanks. your insights and opinions are based on logic and well laid out and are thought provoking. Keep up the brilliant work!

[@zacharymyers6392]

Nice. One of the only Matrix videos I've seen that doesn't get stuff wrong.

[@captainzac24]

I wasn't really a fan of the hover craft but this has changed my mind some what

[@nczioox1116]

Always thought that the zion hovercrafts were some of the coolest ships in all of sci fi

[@sylermran]

the machines have to be in on the hovercrafts, they emit alot of electricity and theres no way the machines would not be able to detect them

[@CyberPilotKSP]

The good question is: can it go to space? It look just like an advanced ion proposed exocraft (which may use Earth's atmosphere as a working substance). Even if it's not, lauching a SSTO rocket from it could be far more easy. And the machines could then colonise Mars, leaving some space for humans to live...

[@rasheeqahmed1208]

What if Mankind actually left for Mars taking all the resources, leaving blackened sky so that machines can't follow them, leading to machines rely on already enslaved humans for their sustenance, leading to a vicious cycle.

[@ragingultimate1003]

Short answer: Yes Long answer: No. Unfortunately, there's the giant black clouds that block out the sun, and in the 3rd movie they're shown to be able to knock out a hovercraft before it reaches space. If the clouds were gone, however, then it is perhaps possible IF and only if the hovercraft will be able to reach escape velocity

[@metalwolf112002]

Pretty sure the machines wouldnt allow that. If one of the big reasons for locking humanity in the matrix is for survival, giving the humans their own planet would basically start a cold war. "what if the humans become afraid of their own shadows again and decide to nuke mars?"

[@dustinswatsons9150]

@@ragingultimate1003 in the comments I said what if it's because the storm the hovercrafts only work

[@EgoEroTergum]

If you can get it to 7 km a second, then yes. Ironically, 8 km a sec will take you anywhere in the galaxy, if you're patient. It's getting off the planet that's the really hard part.

[@dustinswatsons9150]

I can't believe there's not that many comments on this video I like how this video somehow backs the many simulations within one and then also has its own theory as well however I was hoping for more sci-fi like science like exclamation on how they ran or worked... Seems like they could actually be made..

[@nicholasgreen875]

So ultimately the Emp took all the power from the hovercraft and they had to be charged after that’s why they couldn’t keep using it that makes so much more sense

[@zetoboogaloo8802]

Honestly I would add large tesla pilons in front of the gates of zion that go out for about 300m and then add 105mm rapid fire flack cannons and for the regular cannons armor percing high explosive tracer rounds. Also when looking at the movies their guns have a blueish tent to the muzzle fire making me think they have some form of really advanced propellant

[@alexshank1414]

Ah, the Soviet defenses of Red Alert 2.

[@nozrep]

what videogame or anime is that CGI scene at 3:07 from? I am not familiar with it. So cool. Just curious.

[@hoojiwana]

Final Flight of the Osiris from the Animatrix

[@Afterburner215]

Will be interesting to see in Matrix 4 what looks like a hybrid of Machine and Human technology.

[@jl3037]

Please do HALO UNSC Infinity and UNSC spirit of fire :)

[@brll5733]

Where is the cartoon sequence at the beginning from?

[@MrLogannator]

Animatrix

[@PRChannel]

My most impossible dream is to have one hovercraft like that, the biggest possibility. The Mjolnir/Hammer.

[@aurorajones8481]

Yea but who made them? Was it the machine nation before the fall? Or did humans make the craft originally?

[@Knuspermonster]

i could imagine that they are based on old world human designes or simple copies of crafts from previous wars. Would make sense as a backup safety in case someone gets supsicious or might discover blueprints from old world so that it would match up with the engineering behind the craft

[@tyvernoverlord5363]

The Machines created the Hoverpads and Hover technology. Some of the ships were presumably made during the 1st Machine War. The Mnemosyne was made by the machines in the 2200's.

[@RooMan93]

why the hell didn't Neo just download an Aimbot instead of faffing around with kung-fu.

[@frojoe2004]

because kung fu is cooler

[@theturquoisedream9244]

Enjoyable videos dude.

[@alliegarneau]

Wow that all sounds a lot like the Reapers, the Citadel & the Mass Relays. 😅 I wonder where BioWare got their ideas. Hahaha.

[@Somajsibere]

what if and hear me out on this,another previous incarnation of Zion buil them?

[@IronWarhorsesFun]

Seriously they needed some better hacks. Like imagine if they could turn their Cyberjackers into Spartan IIs through a hack? Also excellent quality and I will be posting your vids on Reddit!

[@tatotaytoman5934]

by then they probably have the game Halo: 50

[@elbertho4508]

between 24 and 28 seconds of the video, where did that come from?

[@mikea266]

Its from the Animatrix, a cartoon version of the matrix, containing many short stories, I would recommend watching it to understand the context of the Matrix better. It tells you how the sky is blacked out and how humanity was enslaved by the machines. :)

[@nikobelic4251]

Now that I think about it. Could t they have just tried to fly to one of the power plants and blow an EMP. Yeah it would kill a ton of humans but the Machines would probably have suffered immensely

[@alexshank1414]

Definitely would have hampered the Machines, but like you said, kill many humans in the process. Their goal is to free humans and not kill them. If there’s no one left to free, what’s the point. Also, the Architect said there are levels to which they will do to survive. If that means keeping their power plants within 01’s defensive perimeter or rely on Nuclear reactors, idk.

[@nsaik]

Zion had jacking in capability too. When the ships are communicating with the bright-white zion mission control, aren't they jacked in?

[@hoojiwana]

Zion Gate Control was their own seperate thing, not connected to the Matrix, like the training simulations on the Hovercraft.

[@cozyapustaja8249]

wait the matrix had mass effect style reaper cycles?????

[@AnonNomad]

Yes, so the solution to getting 99% of humanity to accept the Matrix was to give them a subconcious choice to accept or reject it - inevitably a small number would reject it, the machines would then allow them to leave and form Zion under the illusion that they were outside of the web of influence. The machines would allow this 'rebellion' to get to a certain size and then exterminate it, then start the cycle all over again.

[@maxbardus3019]

yep

[@Hawk-gu8kj]

Wait a minute.... Did they make an animated matrix movie because some of those scenes looked like they were from and animated movie

[@Daimo83]

They made a short prequel describing the first war

[@bengrogan9710]

They made a series of OVA animations en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Animatrix

[@curator23]

The Animatrix. It's 9 shorts, not a single feature length film.

[@Daimo83]

Well yeah but only one of them was relevant

[@deniedbwayi2477]

How the machines and the hover crafts seemingly fly can’t be explain by physics ..

[@terrelldurocher3330]

It may be because no natter what they do they are still stuck in the matrix.

[@Maddock_]

It's sci-fi, so it's hardly something that should be of concern. But if you want a possible explanation, the hoverpads could just be very powerful super-conductor electromagnets, considering that most of the surfaces are metallic and the crafts seem to have a limited max altitude it's possible they're just using magnetic levitation. Then again, one would have to return to the Source to know more details :)

[@whyjnot420]

@@Maddock_ Yeah, all it really needs is to remain logical within the fake world it inhabits and to remain consistent. Its like arguing over what vampires or zombies would do.... people love to forget that they have to constrain the discussion into one particular work of fiction or another. Which I admit, is pretty easy to forget about when you are in the middle of a really fun argument about a zombie apocalypse. edit: I would argue that the best sci-fi offers explanations of their tech that make them seem plausible rather than just handwaving them away and making them effectively space magic. Explanations do not have to be technobabble though, it can be done with visuals as well.

[@whyjnot420]

@@Maddock_ I would just like to point out that in the trailer for The Matrix Resurrections, it shows one of the hovercraft attaining what looks to be a substantial altitude. Of course this has little context as it is in a trailer. Also what one considers a "reasonable" max altitude is fairly subjective as this is speculative at best. But it did occur to me that it was worth mentioning.

[@ryanoneill7560]

The hovercraft do make sense in current physics. Majority of the earth is covered in metal. Given the outer Hull and pads are metal as well and give off strong bolts of electricity, there is grounds to assume its electromagnetism used to "hover".

[@oatlord]

Still believe that we never saw the actual real world.

[@phillipsmejkal1]

I also think that was the point, a simulation constantly updating itself.

[@43manassinghc-39]

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[@patrickstarmie9475]

It's not a gundam tier list but it will do

[@Azeraph]

How do you get 250.000 people in 1 place from only 25 people in 1 hundred years? You don't because you can't without immigrants. Rather they should state a more objective time between the cycles. 500 to a thousand years.

[@frysause934]

25 were just the ones originally freed. They kept freeing more people the machines grew. In one hundred years they would only have to freeone person a day to get to that number.

[@AdamRhino-pu1ml]

3:51 911 predictive programming Nine 11 This ship was used on 911!

[@grantmccoy6739]

Is there any reason to believe that the architect was honest about destroying Zion multiple times before? Why would they allow it to be repopulated? Doesn't make much sense. This was a really good trilogy, even if there are some plot holes.

[@grantmccoy6739]

@Massimo M I still think that is not necessary. Even if the humans woke up from the matrix, how would they survive with atrophied muscles, etc. Basically, it was b.s. that the architect was trying to deceive Neo with. Also, Neo had special powers outside the matrix, proving he was legit.

[@grantmccoy6739]

@Massimo M it's possible, but it would mean that the machines would just be complicating their simulation. It's not advantageous in any way, unless the machines have personalities capable of flaws, and they found pleasure or something like that.

[@ravenknight4876]

@@grantmccoy6739 The movies state that the simulation was too perfect during the first attempts, and entire harvests were lost because the minds of the humans rebelled and became incompatible with the Matrix. Therefore, this hypothetical secondary Matrix which contains the free world and Zion could exist as a repository that satisfies particularly distrustful and paranoid humans by seeming real and bleak enough and giving them a sense of having escaped when they actually haven't.

[@grantmccoy6739]

@@ravenknight4876 I don't think that is the original plot of the movie, but it might be the plot of the sequel. The sequel seems to have discontinuity from the original. To get back to what you were saying, that description was offered for why the matrix was a dystopia. It seemed more real because of it. I don't think it is supposed to mean that the whole world outside of the matrix was also a simulation.

[@ravenknight4876]

@@grantmccoy6739 All of this does make a lot of sense if it was like that though.

[@forickgrimaldus8301]

When you realize Zion is synonymous with Jerusalem.

[@jerrybot3000]

oh boy this movie has aged so poorly

[@maxbardus3019]

Quite in contrary