The Max Verstappen Paradox | The Shakedown F1 Podcast #89

[@kapiteinbadmuts5043]

The Brits are biased, everyone outside the UK knows this, no matter the gaslighting you pull we are confronted with it every weekend. It's not just Max either, ANY Brit vs someone else and the bias is dripping of the screen. Lewis used to be the love-child, now it's Norris. Lando's moves are "feisty, young racer going after it" Max's moves are "dangerous, abusing the rules, bully".

[@pietjepuk8653]

I totally agree with you. They keep moaning about it for days and days. The whole British media jump on this as if Max just killed somebody.

[@talkietime6856]

@@pietjepuk8653 They are world's best cry babies. Salty tears are sweet. Such sore losers don't make any friends the world over.

[@Koksta1972]

@@kapiteinbadmuts5043 I don't really agree that ALL The Brits are biased...(there is a difference between being biased and having a strong opinion). To name a couple Cameron F1 here, not baised. Peter Windsor not biased. However, I do think that Sky Sport is favouritizing their own but hey...they are a British broadcaster.

[@christopherhambleton9701]

❤

[@Mr_Sigy]

This guy isnt that far off from a non british person.

[@demon1gp]

Whatever you think of him, Max is doing a brilliant job of minimising points loss.

[@lfcfan05]

Agree with Cam. I love the fact Max puts fear in the rest of the grid.

[@DebbeMaffeo]

@@lfcfan05 it’s not fear!! It’s dirty driving!! Crashstappen takes all his rivals off the track!!!

[@TheDivineicons]

I think it’s More, oh no this idiot… i’d better take precaution 😂… no one fears Max

[@tuna5618]

@@DebbeMaffeo "dirty driving" as you whinge about makes the other drivers afraid, they fear him, which gives max an advantage. It's senna tactics, schumacher tactics, the dark arts that all the greatest champions employ.

[@michaeldellorso889]

This is why Lando goes off the track at the drop of a hat. He knows he can’t beat Max legitimately, so just hope the stewards do it for him

[@GaadhiMahendra]

What you said would've been true if Max wasn't insanely talented. Your view suits Lance stroll better.​@@TheDivineicons

[@benbennemans]

Do you know why Baxty and other British fans focus on Max Verstappen's aggressive driving style? It's to deflect attention from the fact that Lando Norris had the fastest car but couldn’t maximize his points, yet again. Nearly every race, Norris leaves points on the table, with only a few exceptions. Now, ask yourself this: would McLaren be doing better in the Constructors' and Drivers' Championships if Max were driving for them instead of Norris? I think we all know the answer. Most of us sense that Verstappen in a McLaren would likely be leading the Drivers' Championship. Take Mexico, for example: would Max have qualified fourth and missed a chance to challenge Ferrari for 1st place? By qualifying behind Verstappen, Norris set the stage for Max to disrupt his race. Yet instead of focusing on how Norris’s own position enabled this, the English narrative often shifts to Max making illegal moves to defend his position. The focus should be on Norris, who once again missed an opportunity to secure first place in the fastest car on the grid.

[@Switll72]

100% correct ... Imagine Powder Puff Lando wins the WDC that would be the biggest anti climax in the history of F1 ...He wins the WDC by 2 points after having the best car by a country mile for 3/4 of the season !!!! So what who cares

[@riteshrohan4871]

They forget that this season, Lando was the first one to throw his cars from miles off and go off the track

[@t8365]

This is true. Lando " its easy to win in a fast car " norris is eating humble pie. Serves his right, he talks to much and now its come back to bite him in the ass. Simple lovely. Put some respect on LHs name and give him his flowers for what he has achieved. Whilst lando is a good driver. He is overrated, i have been saying it for years and now people are seeing it... 👌.

[@antonihardonk8970]

If Max had be driving the McLaren this year he would’ve been #1 and be breaking records.

[@HermienBuls]

Poor Carlos, no one is talking about his great victory. It's only about Max. It becomes an obsession. As a Max fan, I really think it's too much about him. Even if he isn't the subject, he is still talked about. He has received his punishment. It is what it is. Deal with it and move on. After all, it's just a sport, right? There really are more important things to worry about.

[@ajalaabdulazeez]

Hahaha. So true😂. He has been penalised already. What's more weird is them always changing some of the rules/guidelines because of Max. If it was anyone else, they won't consider changing anything. He's so good he pushes his car and the rules to the limit than anyone else on the grid.

[@SafakYokolma]

Totally agree.

[@snivels]

People LOVE hating on Max. Especially the British media. If he was anyone else this last weekend, we'd not have heard a peep from anyone, both good and bad, since the last race.

[@jesuswouldkilhimself]

Max sux

[@aniketkumar2210]

Max is only interesting thing in f1 that’s why ; they killed racing already

[@ProudGuerilla]

Baxty is really salty, I get the discussion and Max was wrong. But he got the penalty and did what he had to do. It’s a hard watch when someone is this salty. Just give your arguments without acting like a child. Cameron find some better people to discuss with. Because going from Peter Windsor to this guy is a big loss in quality.

[@loveisblindness1352]

100% agree, just awful to listen to and I love Cameron and the quality of his channel.

[@michaeldellorso889]

I think Cameron likes the engagement. Everyone comments how petulant Baxty is 🤣

[@Switll72]

Baxty is that guy that didn't get attention as a kid but somehow fell into KZbin fame ...Shall we call him the love child of Justin Bieber and Belle Delphine

[@ScottWhiteSr]

Heck put me on I have no content but I could do better than Baxty

[@wraitheful]

I agree, Baxty’s great.

[@RobertDixonTaylor]

Max didn't seem to worry Carlos on Sunday!? And he raced him fairly on the subsequent corners!? Nobody is talking about that! However Carlos was not fighting him for the championship was he?😂

[@Roeland666]

FOR SOMEBODY WHO IDOLIZES SENNA (HAMILTON), HE SURE WHINES A LOT ABOUT SOMEBODY WHO ACTUALLY DRIVES LIKE SENNA....

[@DebbeMaffeo]

@@Roeland666 WOW!!!😱

[@jesuswouldkilhimself]

That is so "I have no idea wtf I am talking about" a comment it's actually funny!!

[@DebbeMaffeo]

@@Roeland666 I’ve heard a lot of whining coming from crashstappen, brakes, etc , etc! SLH has his idol, u wanna try and put him down!! Crashstappen doesn’t know how to act like a champion!!!

[@martinpopstefanov2378]

​@@DebbeMaffeo bro, your talking about a 3 time champ not acting like a champ 😂😂😂 wtf does this mean. You just a bitter troll 😂

[@Roeland666]

@@DebbeMaffeo You and Pewis Pamilton are both a joke. Senna is his "idol" but then goes crying to the media when somebody drives like Senna? I'm old enough to have Senna seen drive, so I actually know what I am talking about...

[@Selendeki]

People only care when Max does it, that's why people call it "british bias". Maybe it's not the best term, but the point is that Max is the only driver under a microscope and all the other drivers are an afterthought. EDIT: 13:00 What's missing from this conversation is the acknowledgement that the delta is what dictates how Max will respond to the car behind. If Lando doesn't have sufficient speed, Max can box him out. If Lando is too fast, Max will take it to the next level against his championship rival.

[@TheBismarck-th6sf]

Max makes F1 more exciting. Less snowflakery, more chariots of fire

[@user-tq2og9cw7q]

Max is a racer, this is what F1 should be about. No one wants to see clean driving, what is that? If you want that go out and look at the traffic. I like Verstappen, Russel and Leclerc.

[@tuna5618]

I kind of like how max exposes all the snowflake DTS fans who think racing is about hugging and being friends, when it's actually about winning by any means you can.

[@debi8494]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@user-tq2og9cw7q as a longtime F1 fan yes welove hard racing, but do it within the rules! Plain and simple👍🏻🙄👩🏻‍🦰

[@user-tq2og9cw7q]

@@tuna5618 Max is racing, if they don't understand that you will not understand the core of the sport. Go back and watch DTS and Paradise Hotel.

[@Switll72]

Wow Baxty just shows how immature he really is ...well done mate !! ... Cam I'm sorry, great fan off yours but i cant listen to this total hypocrite on your channel ...I will miss this segment after watching 3 min its clear his blind with hate!!! who the hell can take a grown man with a stuffed doll in his room seriously ??? Your channel deserve better than this !!! Cheers mate waiting for Peter Windsor segment where we will actually learn something other than play ground tantrums and Bias "I told you so"

[@martinawouda9767]

Yes indeed you are right he is such a child just like that picachu behind him 😂😂😂

[@javiergutierrez1031]

I could not agree more. I am only watching this episode because it came in after RAd. I love Shez and his old cast, but Baxtyb is a mean bully

[@wraitheful]

baxty’s earned his opinion and pikachu is just alright with me.

[@Switll72]

@@wraitheful Its okay mate we where all 6 year old at one stage of our lives 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@javiergutierrez1031]

Thinking about this, Cameron has his Christian Horner / Checo Perez situation here in regards to Baxty. Time to get a new pilot.

[@user-tq2og9cw7q]

There are three drivers who stand above all other drivers - Senna Schumi and Verstappen. They master racing in a way that no one else has. The one who is close to these three champions is Alonso. The rest of all drivers, the likes of Vettel and Lewis, are drivers for a car that can go fast. Verstappen gets the most out of his material, Lewis and Norris don't, then Verstappen drives far more intelligently than all the other drivers. The three drivers who will be the future in F1 are Verstappen, Leclerc and Russel, then the younger ones like Piastri, Colapinto, Lawson, Bearman and Kimi are an asset for the next generation. The rest are quite replaceable, especially the older ones.

[@jacksteele9788]

Er no verstappen is not better than Hamilton. Hamilton is a more all rounded driver.

[@riancastermans1607]

@@jacksteele9788 Hamilton can be the first car in a train, always had a very fast car.

[@user-tq2og9cw7q]

@@jacksteele9788 Lewis is a driver that can take the best car to a win. But he doesn’t really get the most of any car - not even the best car. Verstappen gets the most of any car, doesn’t really matter how good his car is - he always gets out more than the car can give him. PutOut Max in McLaren Ferrari or Mercedes today and he would do it better than the drivers that are in those teams.

[@AlexanderInChile-x3y]

Can't but agree 100%. Since Brasil 2016 I knew it too. Just the difference with Checo in the same car tells it all. A bit like Senna pushing the 1994 Williams. Pleaae let Colapinto join RB.

[@user-tq2og9cw7q]

@@AlexanderInChile-x3y Colapinto is a fun driver. F1 needs him. He will join.

[@gsnahlous]

MAX is King Simple...Trust me when Max leaves races will become so boring...

[@geomission]

The guys coming up from F2 are cut throat. Can’t wait to see them in winning cars.

[@gsnahlous]

@@geomission Yes I agree...Lawson and Colapinto...hopefully they do not become snowflakes...

[@SafakYokolma]

Yeah, we already have queen Maxima, now we have King Max added🤣 I totally agree, it will be boring…like it was before he came

[@kngbusy548]

F1 will continue once Max quits…

[@gregmarcus3064]

King of swerving and run offs😂. Let's get it on. Leave already. Let's go back to snowflakery with good racing.

[@bananawarrior-y2w]

Baxty remains difficult to listen to... bit of a shame, cause I really enjoy this channel all in all.

[@ScottWhiteSr]

One more thing. As an American here I’ll use an analogy. I wouldn’t know if you were a Republican or democrat Cameron. You’re a free thinker and these two blokes don’t get it.

[@vincenzodigrande2070]

Do you guys watch football? In high stakes matches mostly there is a foul every half a minute or so. It is constant pushing, pulling, kicking legs etc etc. How velvet gloves do you want to make a high adrenaline sport really?

[@WiltopiaDomestead]

If there was a wall on the outside of turn 4, or even a gravel trap, would Lando have gone for that move?

[@Cameron-Cc]

If my mom had a ......

[@michaeldellorso889]

@@Cameron-Cche was baiting the stewards bc he couldn’t complete a legitimate overtake. To his credit, he knew which corrupts fellows were there that race

[@JJAJR71]

Many of the most memorable individuals in sport have huge flaws and brilliant strengths, isn’t that why we watch? When those individuals are pushed away it will die.

[@formula2tom225]

it's the Hero's Journey that creates legends.

[@wfranco12]

This week it is going to turn into a great weekend. Max is going to crush it.

[@DebbeMaffeo]

@@wfranco12 crush or crash…???

[@outlawf1272]

​@@DebbeMaffeoWhen did Max crash then?

[@BruceGagneaux]

Cameron, your co hosts would love for Max to not be in F1 any longer. Then their British boys would have a road to easy victory every race. Lmao We’Re nOt biAsED tHoUgH!!!11! 12:13

[@Niebemoeie]

Without Max, F1 is not that interesting. He brings drama, he is driving on the edge or over the edge. That is what people love. Without controversy it is a boring race and F1 is not that amusing. Schumacher brought controversy, Senna surely did the same, this makes F1 interesting. People now cannot wait for the race in Brasil. Popcorn ready and sitting on the edge of the chair. Without Max, these emotions of the people watching are absent. Which will bring down amusement, which brings down interest, which brings down income for F1. Max is the driver that F1 needs for the growth of audience.

[@JMO77UK]

F1 was around for 65 years before Max started in F1. Drivers come and go. Somehow we’ll manage when he is gone. Yes, he creates drama which the media on TV and KZbin spin to create drama / interest. People will get used to even this level of drama, and what then? How do you keep it interesting? The next guy will need to be more extreme in the way he behaves and drives. Is that what we want?

[@crapmalls]

The apologising to nobody situation is crazy

[@PolishEddie92]

5:28 whoah whoah!!! Box Tea... What do you mean by "THESE PEOPLE"???!!!

[@baxtybf1]

Journalists

[@PolishEddie92]

@baxtybf1 hmmm. Ok. Sure....

[@PolishEddie92]

I think Box Tea understood that his bias was a little much recently. Good on you, Box Tea!

[@nccnandu]

Nobody in the British media was praising Max for his hard racing . Get your facts in order Baxty. Max was wrong on Sunday but you can’t creat a narrative saying the British media praised him for his hard racing . Nobody did .

[@SafakYokolma]

The worst thing is…Max can’t do anything right …they will talk trash about him anyway. I mean, in the few races he let Lando pass easily because he knew his car couldn’t attack or defend, the British biased wouldn’t let go either. They were trashing him for letting Lando pass easily…I really was perplexed to hear those comments…leave him alone…he’s got the maximum penalties…what do you want more?

[@broyout3586]

The british press is an insufferable chesspit of toxicity. The denomer 'press' is too big a compliment for what these guys are doing. But good enough fun ahead to see them seething trough their teeth, crying 'unfair!' when Max nets his 4th championship.

[@tuna5618]

This is the correct take, it's a lose-lose situation for max. Either max fights like hell, he employs the dark arts like senna/schumacher did, and the british media slams him, or he lets lando by cleanly and the british media also slams him.

[@purplepanda2169]

If you were to only listen to the fallout from Mexico you would think that Max had flipped Lando him into the barriers or something and then killed his dog in front of a group of little kids for good measure.

[@talkietime6856]

The Brits get a mike in hand and turn into the greatest bullies. Yet they are bigoted enough to deny it.

[@erictasse6390]

Cameron, your friends performance on this episode reminded me of Mick and Nikita in a HAAS. They are the definition of arm chair F1 pundits.

[@tuna5618]

Baxty responds to a long history of british personnel being much harsher to non-british drivers as simply "calling out" someone, apparently it's lazy to point out national bias when the british media has literally admitted to being biased towards their drivers. Even when crofty says "I am biased towards british drivers, what do you expect", baxty sees that as nothing to do with nationality. EDIT: I have an australian bias, I have a bias towards piastri, national bias is real and I am sick of british people acting like there's no such thing as british bias.

[@hunterf1736]

Baxty woke up and said, " I think I might make this my last appearance on an F1 podcast" 😂

[@hansenik1]

Senna was a killer ....Max is a killer and I ove it.

[@annelievanvuuren2709]

F1 starting to becoming a sport for babies

[@JMO77UK]

Agree sadly. Drumming up daily / weekly drama to keep folks interested. It’s obviously working as having Max supporters fighting “British bias supporters” means more clicks, views, likes on KZbin and more folks subscribing to Netflix and Sky. I get the sense the establishment are getting fed up with Red Bull and Max though, in the same way they were getting fed up with Lewis. So they are starting to crack down on Max to keep things interesting, and perhaps give the next team / driver a WC. F1 feels like wrestling sometimes. Ever felt like a puppet on s string?

[@LefaMaruwa-d2z]

I agree 100% with Cameron on his stance when it comes to Verstappen. I'm a huge fan of his driving style + no nonsense personality. I hope he never changes regardless of what the F1 pundits or fans say. The sport would be very boring without Verstappen and all his "antics", all the snowflakes can do one.

[@27kaptein]

omg Baxty is such a crybaby

[@ActionFigure10]

Baxty, just not a well individual

[@user-tr1hx7jx4r]

The same people complaining about Max would complain about Senna and Schumachers wheel to wheel

[@kingofnotts9048]

Max hasn't changed but the narrative has

[@DebbeMaffeo]

@@kingofnotts9048 what narrative, that he’s a dirty driver???

[@ritwiksen868]

Nah ppl just woke up and are vocalising it

[@outlawf1272]

​@@DebbeMaffeoBe careful because you can become dehydrated if you cry too much. 🤣

[@DebbeMaffeo]

@@outlawf1272 really…? RB only won because they are cheating! It’s catering’s that we overspent!!

[@kingofnotts9048]

​@@DebbeMaffeo just think about it, then it will make sense

[@nos9510]

British hypocrisy at his finest! Idolate Senna, who would crash on purpose, but hate max for defending hard.

[@guilleta7000]

20 sec was biased by Brundle.

[@michaeldellorso889]

It was a bad day from Brundle. Usually he isn’t a whinging puddle of tears like the other. Crofty is only that happy when dessert comes.

[@ltdada74]

It's racing, not a driving exam. If a footbal player tackles another player to prevent a goal but takes a red card it's all part of the game. The best players ALWAYS will use the regulations to their advantage. If Max wins the championship by 2 points his actions in Mexico will be a stroke of genius in hindsight (for some, but not for Max). THAT is the difference between very good and the best, using everything at your disposal to get the most optimal result to reach your goal.. "Fair racing" has no place in this game, you do that with your friends NOT with your competitors.

[@diegomora7608]

So is not British bias but Russel did the samething and was not penalized. The joke tell itself

[@edijzerman5880]

max is always guilty , max is always aggressive and this commentators (except cameron) are always biased , guess they are british , forgot not to mention without max no shit talks

[@talkietime6856]

Cameron - I dare you to invite guests who have the exact opposite view points to perpetual Max bashers. Although that's a pretty tall order finding people in England.

[@Nimbereth]

20s was a disgrace. British bias at his peak!

[@Nimbereth]

C'mon, Hamilton crash Verstappen and only got 10s. Max only deserved 5s and only for the second curve.

[@OKF_Max]

And then they forgot Perez vs stroll which was the same thing as max vs lando at turn 4. no penalty for Perez there…

[@jb-y1487]

@@Nimberethstop playing victim, max had a bad race end off. Stop crying

[@CraigF1995]

​@Nimbereth I'm a neutral aussie, actually dislike lando, and I'd give Max 5s for T4 but a drive through for T7. He stayed ahead of lando illegally, race control should've forced him into the pits so lando could run ahead and fight for the win. Max is super smart, and even with the 20s he still achieved what he wanted by reducing landos points haul

[@DenUitvreter]

It was premeditated. The whole perfidious albion united for a week long in a "controversy" that was solely based on willfully not understanding the rules. The stewards just take the easy way out and give them what they want rather than facing the shitstorm from the entitled British supremacists. Decades of F1 show that the British can't be defeated in any grace, there must be something wrong, cheating, dirty driving or whatever, Schumacher, Vettel, Rosberg, you can't beat that superior breed of island people fairly and get some basic respect.

[@maxmagnus377]

Has a 47 point lead Is in the 4th fastest car (3rd depending on track/conditions vs Merc, MAYBE even 5th if Haas has another good day, and yes I can't believe that either.) "He's so brilliant, he doesn't have to do this!" Yes, yes he does. If he wants this championship, it has to be by tooth and nail, and if he does take it, it'll be despite his machinery. Come out swinging, take the penalties. Now, even more so than in 2021, we're going to see if the man is a mathematician as well as one of the all time best drivers on skill alone. He cannot "fairly" let everyone who's faster than him currently by without a fight, and just hope that the guys at the front waste enough points to each other. That's a loser's mentality, and simply not who this man "one Maximilian Verstappen" is...

[@OKF_Max]

So just for the understanding of it, Max vs Lando at turn 4. They were side by side so penalty deserved, but would lando have to give max the track position back, because technically lando overtook max off track. Or could lando just stay in front and max has the penalty which would be like a double wammy?

[@michaeldellorso889]

He should’ve had to give the place back, yes

[@the_fleeing_dutchman]

I think that there is a lot more to it, than meets the eye. I think that Lando was smart, going way too fast into corner 4, knowing very well that he would be pushed/going wide himself, but with Max on the inside, it would always look as if he was pushed. Having realised that, Max torpedoed Lando, making sure that they would both go way off track, allowing LeClerc to go through and thus making sure that Lando would have much more difficulty in winning the race. 2 guys racing smart and hard. That is also why Lando laughed in the cooldown room when they showed the corner 4 incident, whereas Charles was like Ooohhh!!

[@soostdijk]

Well said🎉

[@larsdijker7208]

I want to ask what the reaction would be if the driver wasn’t Max but Lando. I just wonder what Sky Sports reaction would be or Baxty his reaction would be. I don’t think it would be like this. I think they would try to talk it right. I don’t say what Max did was right but was Lando correct dive bombing the outside in turn 4? He went 15 km/h faster then the previous laps and released the break and would have never made the corner. Because of this I find the 10s very harsh. It’s also funny how McLaren complained last week and Lando basically does the same in turn 4. Another question will be is it now better to be on the outside so you can do free dive bombs? If you don’t make the corner you can claim you are being pushed off.

[@johndortwegt]

Max will live rent free in baxty’s mind for years coming 😂😂😂

[@LouFederer]

Love the Shakedown!! Thanks for the great chat as usual 🫡

[@henrimoll9621]

General opinion in the Netherlands: Max went too far. Corner 4 should have been 5 seconds. Corner 7 waa allright with 10 seconds. Max drives like this because he has no speed. When you cannot win, make sure you will not lose. General respect towards that attitude. Herbert has got to go!

[@Roeland666]

Not true, 75% of the Dutch think that 4 was no penalty. They did a huge poll the other day.

[@meelvanchris]

Depends how one looks at turn 4. If max takes a penalty for forcing Lando off, then Lando is also making a penalty for overtaking off the track. So mitigating circumstances. Both wrong there... Hence no penalty for either or one for both. Turn 7. Yeah definitely worthy of penalty there.

[@Lukass12891]

Fantastic video Cameron. I love hearing these F1 debates that’s what makes the sport so great

[@MrJacker1991]

Hard one to watch and take seriously but I managed to make it through. I am amazed at the amount of controversy surrounding Verstappen and shudder at the thought about what they will do if his car improves and becomes competitive again.

[@LeendertJagt]

ofcourse 19 drivers agree....17 of them wil never be worldchampion...and the other two are afraid to race max

[@michaeldellorso889]

Imagine if at COTA, Max said “first lap safety car, knew it had to be Lewis. Silverstone 21, Spa 22, Qatar 23, Miami 24. Who else?”

[@BruceGagneaux]

15:25 Dude GP tells Max how stupid some of the shit he does is allll the time on the radio. Are you serious? Do you really watch F1? Not biased though…

[@Roeland666]

Downvoted simply for Baxty.

[@Cameron-Cc]

Conversations are boring if we all agree all the time. IMHO. Put some respect on Baxty name 😃

[@ddsvjwz]

Are you not entertained?!

[@janwendriks8034]

This Baxty guy, what.....? And who are this Brundle and Hill...?

[@riancastermans1607]

You must be joking

[@janwendriks8034]

​@@riancastermans1607nope

[@RicardoSousa-g5w]

Greetings from Holland Baxty we love how Max is racing ❤❤❤ Senna Alonso Lecler or Alesi how you guys like to call him have all the same opinion about English press. Besides that love listening to you guys

[@ebotek]

The boys are back!

[@podnolej7784]

Rather, hear about MAX than these two lads creaming over Lando

[@Ibiza.Motorbike.Enthusiasts]

I love these in-depth discussions, I'm here for that and applaud you guys for it. As a dutchman I do think Max is better than what he did in Mexico, but he is desperately fighting for his championship. I hope he will show everyone he is better than that. And F1 is better with Max Verstappen in it.

[@chaosc9386]

Baxty acts childish, what a shame

[@riancastermans1607]

Oh Cameron, you are so right.

[@dr.rafaellobato5891]

Please, could you guys do a clip showing all the times Senna was “overly aggressive” against other drivers?

[@martinawouda9767]

Cameron please get rid of that crazy guy Baxty, it will cost you a lot of subscibers, talking about respect...........

[@jenny_bikt]

We must have different options in order to have a good debate. Humanity is crazy, oh the humanity!

[@michaeldellorso889]

@@jenny_biktthere aren’t different options though. Shez makes similar points, without the radicalism 🤣

[@Switll72]

@@jenny_bikt Totally agree mate not a Lewis fan but respect his achievements ... a concept Baxty has no clue off!!! that first 2min was clearly a sign of how much he hates Max and not even trying to hide it ... all that while I bet the guy has never even driven a road car in anger AKA Sofa racer !!!

[@TheSquirel12345]

Sorry this Baxty chap is the prime example of British Bias 😂 If Max didn’t show up , F1 would be meh at best. Additionally if you compare - when Charles and max go - toe to toe, it is a beautiful artistic performance, but pretty much every body else , cannot race against max…

[@tuna5618]

The russel incident at cota wasn't inconsistent stewarding, defending vs attacking has always been treated very differently (I don't always think that's a good thing but it's how it is).

[@michaeldellorso889]

Two cars don’t fit through turn four, but people are pretending not to understand that because of their agendas. It’s one of the tightest corners on the calendar. Through all the gloating, there’s never a sensible justification of that penalty

[@RBRMV1]

Jesus…Cam shall I give Baxty a chance? I feel like I’m missing so much of your content because I refuse to listen to Baxty whine for 45 mins 😢 Ffs nevermind.

[@Cameron-Cc]

He's a very serious F1 mind is Baxty. Worth the entry fee. Promise

[@podnolej7784]

There you go Cameron you can have your sport of gentlemen

[@dr.rafaellobato5891]

Senna threw all the cars out of the track in Monaco 1984 and Donington Park 1993, just to begin the conversation! Come on!

[@Michael27Romero]

First they love u then they hate u… max is in his hate phase now

[@davedewsnap288]

Verstappen and Senna cannot be compared. They are from different eras. The F1 of Senna’s day was a dangerous beast compared to the pristine sanitised artificial DRS procession of today. The sport is dead. Technology has pushed the cars to such an extent, that they have completely outgrown EVERY TRACK IN THE CALENDAR. There shouldn’t be any track limits. None. Give them large gravel run off areas and let’s see who is willing to take the most risks w/o penalty. It’s called RACING. Drivers will very quickly realise what they can & can’t do if they are going to last a race distance. F1 is a shit show as it stands.

[@talkietime6856]

Max isn't a wimp driver.

[@cidklutch]

Baxty = cringe

[@The7yph00n]

i would really be able to talk to one or more of you guys. I love your discussions, but not all your views. you 3 together makes the best discussions in the matters you are discussing. TOTALLY.

[@Manny32V]

I love the max era of f1. It's legendary

[@Jhhgftghjjj]

Here a remark from a dutch dude. There were 20 racers in the room and 19 agreed and 1 not....If you would have that same question in the Schumi or Senna era both drivers would also not agree and be the 1. Its the difference between an absolute champ and racers that just compete for the compete. The kid was raised by his dad only to win and if every now and then you have to bump someone of the track so be it. Its part of the game. Senna, Prost(!) Schumi....they all did it. Rosberg? Sure. The Herbert's Brundles and what more were there only to fill up the field. Not to win. So they will never understand that kind of attitude. Hill the same. Only won thx to Newey. Not because he had some talent. I am sure Max and his dad are laughing their asses off....if they are reading any of this stuff. Love the channel by the way!

[@christopherhambleton9701]

I don't know who these two are Cameron? But they are detrimental to your channel. I'm sorry to say this.

[@edteach3r]

Cameron, in all honesty, I don’t care much what Baxty and other such pundits have to say. Time will reveal all. The adoration for Senna still smacks me for the hypocrisy it holds. He was vilified for his driving style, yet now Senna is proclaimed by so many as the GOAT. Max will be right up there one day, in my opinion. My idea of the GOAT? Jim Clark, above all. In similar vein, Lando might well be my next favourite. Cheers, Cameron!

[@Aurelen1]

Nice of Cameron to invite on a couple of grandmas to discuss driving standards

[@edteach3r]

Max has no problem with the 20 second penalty, but everyone else does. Max clearly broke the rules, and he accepted the consequences. He said it very well after the race: the rules are very clear and he does not see the need to change anything.

[@SOrme_C135]

Gents, great debate (I like Baxty verbal joust...send it man!). In any case, understand what Cameron is saying about Checo, but all I know is RBR is currently under siege and in survival mode right now. So, Horner may be concerned about the potential unknowns if they make any huge changes at this point (Checo painfully consistent non-performance considered). Each one of the alternate drivers (Honey Badger, Lawson, Hadjar, Colapinto) come with requisites that are more likely to at best allow RBR to break even with their current projected season finish and at worst add further complications to the fallout from the sponsor/revenue loss and fan blowback with Checo getting sacked now. Carlos losing at top team seat absolutely sucks (this is plain), Carlos is an incredible driver with the ability to master a race strategically, but Charles overall consistently outperforms Carlos and has the potential to rival Carlos strategic race craft. Here is some food for thought, everyone is lamenting Carlos going to Williams (we all understand why), but I would offer an optimistic view of what Carlos could do in his time with Williams to be the driver who (along with Vowles) pulls Williams back up to close to the mountain top (his feedback, strategy acumen and hands on wheel). The F1 legacy Carlos would gain from a strong Williams season would be just as powerful has him winning a WDC at Ferrari. The reason being Carlos, even securing a handful of race wins with Williams, would speak more highly to him as a driver/leader than it would at a well-established (the elder) race team of Ferrari. I hope Lando alters his race approach in 2025 for more aggressive race craft, I believe it is unlikely to happen this year. Cheers Gents!

[@allanfloyd2412]

Drivers championship is for fans. Constructors championship is for auto enthusiasts. Legacy shared by both.

[@bighimey]

Knowing how good he is, then watching him lose control when the “red mist” descends, isn’t frustrating in the slightest, when you remember… He’s Jos’ son… it’s hereditary.

[@Koksta1972]

Could it be that in the last 10 years we all (the public and in a way the older drivers as well) we're in a slumber and now we're brutally awakened by Max? I actually quite like it the way Max drives his car. Not only on merit but in psy-ops as well. This is racing after all and NOT a weekly dash to Tesco's

[@Switll72]

The Snowflakes and DTS generation think its a gentleman sport of "Oh please you go first ..NONO you go first " Been watching F1 40+ years and I can just imagine what they would have done seeing Hunt, Louda, Piquet, Senna, Mansel and Schumi in action as Max would look like a very mild tempted driver in that crowd 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@jeroenvangastel9079]

In the media now it is reported that Max raced an engine which was not fit for races anymore. His topspeed was gonzo in Mexico. In Brazil he is going to chance all engine components and is going to do what Lewis did in 2021. Win from the back ! I can hear Salty Baxty already, yeah he got a new engine 😂

[@DVW550]

Turn 4 was not a Max error, it was biased referring. This is a classic case of a British media pile on where everyone reinforces the same talking point to drown out any dissenting view. You all know that if Lando had done the same thing at turn 4 he wouldn’t have gotten a 10 sec penalty.

[@demon1gp]

Carlos is such a great team player...I honestly believe that Ferrari will implode next season, with two drivers needing to prove a point...one to prove that he's better than a 7x world champ and the other to prove he's still top dog. Fireworks! Light the touch paper and stand back

[@ScottWhiteSr]

Redbull already admitted they won’t win constructors. Put Perez in Alpha and Lawson in redbull already. At best he might be able to help defend Max and test him out in a better car.

[@dariussatius1621]

I was too young to know about Sena I can only see him in recordings but Max is really special. Now I believe Max was trying to disrupt Lando's pace and this coupled with Saintz great management worked out a bit for Max as he didn't fight Saintz nearly as fearce as he did Norris, and that's why I don't believe he got angry because he would of showed rhat anger to Saintz as well but he did not. To me hard racing, on the edge sometimes goes over. Honestly I'm not mad at this, I love the guy. And on another note Netflix will come out with a Senna miniseries, Friday 29 November 2024, I hope it will not be a made-up drama and they keep it as close to reality as possible because it would be a great way to show us what Senna's mindset was at times.

[@bjrnchrstn]

Herbert going in the media as a steward and saying that these penalties won’t stop Max tells you all about his prepossessed and biased take on the situation. He already (thinks he) KNOWS what will happen. This guy is more media horny than Zak Brown and should not be a steward.

[@ShantanuDwivedi1996]

Baxty is pissed because Lando would never win the world championship this year

[@demon1gp]

Carlos may not be "consistently" challenging CL, but there certainly isn't the casm evident between Max and Checo. He'd be a great team player for RB

[@formula2tom225]

LeClerc 8 wins in 7 years...never been a WC contender for a whole season.. It's no wonder Ferrari brought in Hamilton..

[@dscottstoness2436]

They should replace Perez with Riccardio because Riccardio could get in front of Lando or Piastri and slow them down - resulting in a drivers championship for Max.Checo is just not doing anything for Red Bull.

[@Iam_notamusician]

BbBbB … Bye bye British biased Baxty

[@Roxak]

Re: Checo - anyone would be better than him right now, the constructors championship is gone, yes - but i am certain there are guys available that are closer to the front/to max than checo in that RB which would mean a massive strategic advantage. Checo literally plays NO role in the race, he is always way behind during the pit window, he could even stay out and ruin his own race and still would not matter in terms of track position during pit stops... Max literally fights alone vs. 4.

[@Max_Flashheart]

Replacing Checo is prep for 2025 They could put Yuki,1 of Daniel/Hadjar/Colapinto and Liam in for the last 3 races if they wanted to decide who drives.