The MCU is NOT 616

[@blu3g]

I'll believe the MCU is Earth-616 when a source outside of the MCU calls it 616, like a Sony movie or something, but until then I'm calling it Earth-199999

[@Mrgomodefr]

So someone that DOESNT own the property calls it that. Huh. Restarted ash.

[@juanbisonosuero3650]

@@blu3g the worst’s tipe of Easter egg is the one that most people won’t understand and the ones that do won’t like it

[@hayothegunosaurus]

​@@juanbisonosuero3650kinda like the MCU being called 616

[@Nolabray21]

still doesn’t make it 616, 616 is very different and is set for the MAIN COMIC universe, there’s things like beta 616 where they use old version of the characters but 616 in general is the main comic universe any other “616” universe is a copy of that same with “1610”

[@hybridvenom9]

Yeah keep calling it that

[@schoonfam08]

I think they should’ve named the MCU’s earth- Earth-2008 because Iron Man as the first MCU movie dates back 2008.

[@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul]

Fantastic idea, now I’m mad they didn’t do that!

[@edsoncastillo7357]

@@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul say that again?

[@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul]

@@edsoncastillo7357 I say we rename the MCU Earth-2008. And while we're at it, let's give @schoonfam08 a raise for coming up with it

[@MatfarTube]

Sorry, Earth-2008 is taken

[@Benlovescheese]

That’s actually super smart

[@haiderraad468]

Don't let this guy know that DC named different universes by the names Earth-2 , Earth 2 and Earth two

[@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul]

Yeah I'll be the first to admit comics are wildly convoluted

[@GatlinsFuckinCornfield]

they reset their multiverse every 10-15 years so it doesnt really count

[@ghostspider2056]

Both franchises have different ways of organising their worlds. DC acts like each earth 0 to 51 is from a different multiverse which isn’t how marvel does with theirs as it goes into thousands in one multiverse, so having same number universes makes it confusing.

[@SeanWheeler100]

But the different Earth-2s don't have any other numbers to go by. The MCU was already confirmed to be Earth-199999 before they stole the 616 number. The Earth-2 in the Arrowverse has just a right to that number as the other Earth-2s in the comics. But Marvel Studios decided to steal a designation instead of accepting the number they've been given.

[@haiderraad468]

@@SeanWheeler100 Idk , DC universes names sound more complicated for me , for marvel it's just one situation and i think they stole the number 616 just because it's simpler and easier to remember

[@Deadpool-mcu2024]

They are gonna call the MCU "616" when the X-Men and Fantastic Four aren't even there in the first place ? No thanks, i rather call it Earth-199999. I understand the MCU has it's own multiverse but calling it "Earth-616" is just unoriginal. I mean look at the X-Men franchise, it's not called (let's say) "Earth-1610", it's called "Earth-10005" so what is up with that ? Miguel O'Hara was right, it is called "199999".

[@delvinindaryn561]

Is 1610 the ultimate universe?

[@frlol813]

​@@delvinindaryn561 yep, the original one.

[@Deadpool-mcu2024]

@@delvinindaryn561 it used to be

[@strongman5243]

Man instead of coming with a excuse of a different omniverse they can just retcon this

[@frlol813]

@@Deadpool-mcu2024 it still exists. Spider-Men 2 confirmed it.

[@kevinskywalker5539]

finally! someone who agrees with me! i hate how the newer movies say earth 616, when in the past, there was a marvel guidebook that said it was earth 199999. even miguel o'hara from across the spider-verse confirms it.

[@kiwiangeldust6912]

There was an easter egg in Thor: the dark world about it being 616

[@gechoman44iwantahippo]

Since it seems like Marvel really wants to retcon it into being 616, I choose to call it “616c.” Miles’ and Peter’s Earths in the Spider-Verse films are 616b and 1610b, so the best outcome if they really want it to be 616 would be that imo.

[@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul]

Adding that denomination of "c", or anything else like that is so essential. Without it the MCU is just lost in the multiverse.

[@Tyulenin]

A thing that breaks comic-616 and MCU-616 being the same thing, comic-616 Doctor Strange acknowledging and approving him being played by Benedict Cumberbatch (Unbelievable Gwenpool). So either it's a separate non-616 universe (cough 199999), or fictional even within fiction - but that doesn't work cuz Spider-Verse, so it's just fucking 199999, or at worst 616-B.

[@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul]

If that’s the case I definitely gotta read Unbelievable Gwenpool! But all the multiverse stuff just keeps getting more confusing and convoluted

[@Piiiiiiiiit]

Yk between this and the Deadpool and Wolverine “Sacred timeline” stuff my interpretation is just that the MCU has the timeline equivalent of completely unchecked main character syndrome. Like “Yeah, obviously we have the big important 616 number, we’re the all important main sacred timeline, that comic continuity already carrying that designation is completely irrelevant.” Meanwhile the entire rest of the multiverse outside that bubble just looks at it like any other alternate universe with its own distinct classification.

[@redshot5403]

I’m personally calling it 199999 as well, it just makes things less confusing

[@juanbisonosuero3650]

Call it 616 was the worst idea.

[@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul]

Bafflingly inept

[@kiwiangeldust6912]

You're completely delusional

[@moonwulf7561]

In Dr. Strange 2, alternate-Christine called the mcu 616.. And the only question I had was, “How would you know that?” She literally said that they had no information on any other universe except her own but they supposedly had technology to hold people from different dimensions (they didn’t) and they’re naming them as well.. And they went with 616… My disappointment was high with that one, it’s such an easy mistake not to make

[@strongman5243]

I refuse to believe mcu earth is 616

[@Jordan-lt8ys]

I'm pretty sure it's not that big of a deal, it's just that the MCU has it's own multiverse and the comics has it's own multiverse. For example in the Arrowverse the main earth is still Earth-1 even though in the comics it's also Earth-1. If somebody is able to understand the concept of a multiverse itself then they'd probably be able to understand the concept of having different multiverses for different mediums or franchises.

[@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul]

That does make sense, but it can't be denied that having everything exist in one multiverse (even an infinite one) is substantially less confusing

[@Jordan-lt8ys]

@@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul Sure but there's really no reason for it to matter that much. 616 just means the main universe in whatever franchise or medium it pertains to. The universes usually aren't even designated by numbers, usually they get their own titles which is a much clearer indicator than the numbers. For example the Main (Prime) Universe, the Venomverse (Sonyverse), Zombieverse, Ultimate Universe, etc.

[@JustSomeMexicanwithaMustache]

Calling the MCU Earth-616 instead of Earth-199999 is not only insulting to the original comic universe, as the MCU is barley an adaptation of the comic universe, but also shows that Kevin Feige has no understanding why the main comic universe is even called Earth-616 in first place. One of the reasons the Marvel comic universe is called Earth-616 instead of something like Earth-1 or Earth-0, is because the main universe is supposed to be a random Earth across the Multiverse and isn't supposed to be special. It's only special to us because that was the universe that we followed. Making "Earth-616" special like being the "Sacred Timeline" for the TVA tells me Kevin has no understanding on the number. Heck one of the reasons why I loved the Marvel Multiverse is because every property is supposed to be under one Multiverse, there aren't supposed to multiple Earth-1's or Earth's that share the same number, unlike DC. And now there are multiple Earth-616, just because the MCU wanted to share the same number as the main Marvel universe.

[@MeryoQuestion]

Funny that people complain about mcu being universe 616, but no one complain about sony calling miles morales universe being earth 1610, and there is no ultimate avengers in miles morales universe, and nobody cares about dc using earth1 and etc in animations movies and etc

[@asherink3774]

Spider-verse miles universe is called 1610-B lmao 😂😂😂

[@designsourcebfg]

Been saying this for years. Nice to see someone else agree. How can you call it 616 and have the drastic changes to Namor, or the rewrite of Starlord’s origin, or the death of T’Challa (Black Panther), or the lack of Fantastic Four (supposedly the new movie will give some explanation but it will be one that varies from the source material), and so much more. Stop calling it 616.

[@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul]

Exactly!

[@albertokorogu1258]

1:57 I hate to be that guy but "awkshually it's Prime Universe 🤓🤓" Prime Earth is DC's current mainline continuity ik people get it confused. DC hasn't been Earth 1/New Earth in a longgg time. 😭

[@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul]

That’s why I couldn’t find anything while editing to back me up! Thank you for the correction, I was loosing my mind because I KNEW I remembered seeing that somewhere!

[@ptcarbonproductions2013]

This was done utterly on purpose... The MCU is being established as separate multiverse ever since Endgame, with the Infinity Gauntlet working completely different from the rules established in the comics. Why was it done? Because Feige wants creative freedom. He wants his movies to be able to do whatever they want, without being restrained by the comic continuity. Nothing that happened in Loki TV Series would have been possible within comic book multiverse, where entities upon entities watch over and would immediately interfere if any timeline got spaghettied. The MCMultiverse might exist somewhere within Multiversal Eternity on the other side of the Superstream, be the Ninth Cosmos, experiment by The Beyonders or just be its own thing entirely; who cares, certainly not the filmmakers. Is this disrespectful to the comic books? A bit, yeah; because it does mean that comic books don't matter from the films' perspective. But 1) they don't care anyway 2) I kinda see their perspective, they wanna tell their own stories however they please. Many comic book writers wanted that freedom back in the day and we rooted for them, why should films be any different? And at the end of the day - it's all fiction, so. 🤷

[@guywholikesanimations1018]

Thank you my good friend

[@FoxFan12]

But why would it be a separate Multiverse when every other Marvel adaptation that exists is part of the same Multiverse. Including attractions in Universal Florida and Marvel Lego Games all operating in the same Multiverse. Why would the movies suddenly need to be part of a *separate* Multiverse. That's just not how any of it works.

[@ptcarbonproductions2013]

@@FoxFan12 No Marvel adaptation prior to MCU explored the multiverse like that though, and by "like that" I mean with establishing the laws that govern the multiverse. You might be thinking that the multiverse allows for anything to be true all at once, but this isn't correct for either the comic books or the movies - both multiverses have multiversal-wide laws that everything within them must abide by. And there are now multiple blatant contradictions between the comic and movie laws. Such as: - Wanda destroying every copy of the Darkhold in the multiverse. This means that Darkhold from the comic books should also cease to exist... But it does exist. - In the comics, Infinity Gems only work in their universe of origin. The entire plot of Avengers: Endgame relies on using Infinity Stones from different universes. - Loki's multiversal Yggdrassil isn't acknowledged by the comics. - MCU establishes its own extraversal entity in form of K.E.V.I.N. How does K.E.V.I.N relate to multiversal abstracts, The Beyonders or One Above All? It's never established. - The Captain Britain Corps, responsible for protecting the comic book multiverse, have so far done nothing about stuff threatening the whole movie Multiverse, such as Infinity Ultron, Strange Supreme or the war between Kangs. Could it be because... They aren't there at all? Ask yourself this: what's more likely, two Marvel multiverses or one Marvel multiverse constantly misinforming you on its inner workings? Idk why it's so hard to accept two multiverses, DC has like a hundred of them. And I don't know where you found the info that LEGO games take place in comic multiverse... They very well may, but it's more likely they're part of LEGO multiverse.

[@FoxFan12]

@@ptcarbonproductions2013 The Lego Universe is Earth-13122 and it's common sense to know that it's part of the Multiverse if you understand how the Multiverse has *always* operated. Any iteration of *any* Marvel property is considered to be part of the Marvel Multiverse, even crazy crossovers exist *somewhere* in the Multiverse. There's never been a distinction between Multiverse 1 and Multiverse 2 taking place between comics or movies or whatever. Like there might be a separate *Lego* Multiverse, but that would still technically take place inside the Marvel Multiverse, even if Marvel obviously can't use stuff from it for licensing. The same way that *our world* has a reality number in the Multiverse. The same way that DC takes place in the same Multiverse because of a crossover event that happened. I get your point about MCU ignoring Multiversal constants though, and I don't have an explanation for that, but it's not exactly like the comics are consistent with themselves either. The writers couldn't even be arsed to keep the colors of the Infinity Gems consistent in each appearance, so yeah, I just don't know. It bothers me the same way it bothers the Creator of this video is all.

[@ptcarbonproductions2013]

@@FoxFan12 DC takes place in the same Omniverse/Metaverse while being a separate multiverse, as established by Marvel vs DC series and later confirmed by JLA/Avengers, although there are of course realities within Marvel multiverse featuring DC characters. And while I'm well aware that ever since the 70s all things Marvel are considered to be in Marvel multiverse, I don't see the good reason to insist the movie Multiverse is when its creators do everything in their power to tell us otherwise. Marvel Database does, and I understand why - it's how they always operated, how they make sure to cover all things Marvel, so why change now. But at the end of the day they're not the official site. I looked up what they currently have to say about the matter and I got baffled. "Earth-199999 is located in its own multiverse within the greater Marvel multiverse." So instead of Multiverse 1 and Multiverse 2, they propose a Multiverse within the Multiverse. Sure, that sounds like common sense. I'm not even going to get into Earth-1218 can of worms, and it's beside the point anyway. Obviously I'm not going to convince you *not* to consider MCU part of the Marvel Multiverse if you really want to consider it that. There's no definite Marvel Studios statement and I don't think there will be, because they have more important things to do and the buzz around the 616 issue is only beneficial to them. But if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... It's really not that outrageous of a claim that it's completely separate, just saying.

[@Satellaview1889]

Agree fully. I really like the MCU, but it works as a parallel world, not an adaptation, mostly due to the multiverse. It's an in-story way to explain multiple continuities, and is as simple as calling your universe a number that hasn't been picked yet. But here, this devalues 616 and 199999 honestly, calling it 199999 is a pretty distinct number, and after being included in the Spiderverse 2 Trailer, was on a lot of people's minds. I'll admit that the movies and comics kinda share equal importance these days. Comics can experiment, but movies can elevate. But that even more so pushes why they should be distinct, 'cause 199999 is a different beast from 616, and confusing them messes up terminology, and is overly complicating what was a complex, but at least legible system.

[@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul]

And their multiverse would be somewhat fixed if they just went by any other number!

[@earthdog7900]

If you asked Mark Gruenwald he would say The comics 616 and the MCU 616 are in different multiverse but the same megaverse. This would account for how the TVA operate differently in the different multiverses. Problem solved.

[@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul]

Still WAY too unnecessary complicated

[@ptcarbonproductions2013]

@@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul Being unnecessarily complicated is half of the charm of comic books. The movies simply came back to their comic book roots. 🤭

[@treymykel]

Yeah I know it's kind of crazy because they already had a designated title everybody knew the MCU was Earth 19999 and that was before the multiverse movies start saying it's 616 it's lazy and unoriginal just call it Earth 19999 especially when your actors are correcting the Marvel executives even they know Earth 616 is the comic books that Earth 19999 is the MCU what's so hard about that.

[@The_Vaperion]

@@treymykelthat is the dumbest argument I have ever heard, an actor cannot correct a marvel executive when the executives literally created the rule

[@The_Vaperion]

@@treymykeland the fact that marvel has never called themselves 19999 but the fandom themselves

[@treymykel]

And PS I'm so glad you said it was different versions of characters now we can get people understanding that the DCEU is completely different in the comic books will be fine because the unbridal hate you for the DCEU because the characters aren't completely the same as the comic books is crazy and I can just say it it's okay to have different depictions because everybody except these different depictions of the MCU characters that are not the same as the characters from the comic books but for some reason people don't want to accept the DCEU ones it's weird and baffling but I'm glad you brought that up though.

[@ChillMonger]

The number is supposed to provide clarification. Not incite the follow-up question: Which 616?

[@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul]

For real, why add unnecessary confusion?

[@SuperAz1981]

Id rather call it MCU as its designation makes more sense to me

[@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul]

Calling it Earth-MCU isn’t half bad

[@NetherTamer]

I think the fact they called it 616 is because of the fact the MCU is an adaptation of the comics. They're trying to say that everything is just an adaptation and doesn't run alongside the comics, which makes complete sense as so many of the multiverse stories happening between the comics and the MCU wouldn't work alongside each other. I personally would've preferred if they stuck with 199999 but I can see perfectly why they chose 616.

[@MartinMarsano]

Yes. How can there be two different councils of Kangs and two different TVAs? But honestly I wish they stuck with 199999, considering the fact that they've been using it for years. Also how the hell did Mysterio know the name of his universe?

[@omniviewer2115]

According to ACROSS THE SPIDER-VERSE, it is still Universe 199999.

[@supersonical8770]

But the problem is that the Spider-Verse has crossovers between video game and tv show versions of Spider-Man which also has crossovers between the Spider-Verse comics. Like the PS4 Spider-Man and the 60s Spider-Man. I just think that the main MCU universes calls themselves 616 because they haven't explored all too much of the multiverse yet.

[@SeanWheeler100]

The MCU took some things from the Ultimate Comics like the black Nick Fury. It's not even a pure adaptation of Earth-616. And a lot of origins are different from the comics.

[@supersonical8770]

@@SeanWheeler100 And the personalities of some characters are nothing like the Earth-616 characters like Tony Stark.

[@ParkerCS2]

The MCU is definitely not 616! It’s earth 199999! They cannot convince me otherwise.

[@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul]

It’d be so easy for them to just call it Earth-199999 from here on out too!

[@ParkerCS2]

@@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul yep 💯 also when the MCU ends at some point and they hard reboot they don’t need to call the next continuity 616 either.

[@darthsomething]

I’m fine with it being 616. The MCU multiverse is clearly a different multiverse from the one in the comics since Multiverse of madness established that there was only one America Chavez, so I don’t see what the big deal is

[@ocsjc13]

So it's just another branch? So it can't be 616 either

[@spideygamer8896]

Except the comics also said Chavez was the only variant and that was undone She also hasn’t been to every universe She is also not a being that is on a level to 100 percent conclude that

[@Deadpool-mcu2024]

It's unoriginal and plus the MCU was already established as "Earth-199999" when it first started. I mean the X-Men had their own original universe designation so what's up with the MCU being called "616". They better come up with a better designation.

[@treymykel]

Because they already has a designated name is called Earth 19999 because they are destination codes not every universe is the same The MCU is not the same as the 616 so why would you call the MCU Earth 616 when it's not the same as the comic books there are completely different things about it so why would you designate it the same thing that's so lazy so you don't need to be okay with it You actually need to be like hmm that is weird because that Spider-Man is like the same Spider-Man as in continuity fantastic four is not even in the main continuity of the MCU but it is in the main continuity of Earth 616 so there is a difference there needs to be a difference it has to be a difference

[@The_Vaperion]

@@Deadpool-mcu2024except the mcu never established itself as earth-19999 there is really no record that they established that people only got that from the comic guide book which was also never established to be in the same multiverse as the mcu

[@SaveDareDevil-Mx]

“but is broke me” 2:24 😂same after buying so many of the new ultimates comic book variant covers

[@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul]

I've had to stop myself from buying any extra comics stuff aside from the stories themselves, because otherwise I'd be broke

[@SaveDareDevil-Mx]

@@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul Lmao same af😆but i’m assuming u meant, “fun but it broke me” here?^ 2:23😅

[@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul]

@@SaveDareDevil-Mx Oh I did, that issue was fantastic but also a bit devestating

[@dragonwatter]

the mcu despretly needs a full reboot. they need to start from scrath with good x men movies.

[@papawedge7396]

But the Spider Verse movies have the same problem, they call Miles' main Earth "1610" when that is supposed to be the Ultimate universe, it is only a matter of multiversal perspective, for the MCU's POV they might see it as 616, yet it's 199999 from the main comics' earth's perspective, it makes sense the movies would potray it as the main thing as to not confuse viewers with the overly long real designation. However, this should be explained in the guidebooks for sure.

[@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul]

You definitely have a point there with 1610. Considering there are thousands of numbers to choose from, none of the numbers make any sense

[@jackfirex1544]

This is dumb it’s the mcu multiverse not marvel comics multiverse, it’s like getting mad that Peter B Parker’s universe in the movie is 616. But I get your point

[@A75MComics]

I love your Fanboy Geek Card-carrying passion, I really do, but you are making a mountain of a mole hill - most modern comic book fans don't read comics - Marvel Comics are altered to fit the aesthetics of the MCU when an MCU character becomes popular (Agatha Harkness is aesthetically a 90-year old woman, but now she looks like a 40-something middle-aged woman with a streak of white hair in current comics continuity - and many think Krakoa ended because the X-Men will premiere in the MCU in a few years) loved the video, but the need for this distinction will never resonate with modern comic book fans who don't read comics and don't know the history anyway.....

[@korvo3427]

If you don't read comics... you are not a comic fan... This is a fact and not even gatekeeping.

[@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul]

Honestly, you are 110% right. If anything, the movies have more cultural sway because, for the majority of the people, that's what they see. And most of the time, a character is redesigned to fit the movie version, but I still think both sides should try to make decisions that help make their stories easier to get into. Rather than increasing the mountain of convoluted lore and making it incomprehensible. But also, none of this matters and won't affect our actual lives at all. Yet, the geek card carrier in me just had to make this video.

[@Rorschag]

In my head its Mcu616

[@billbrennan2347]

yes it is. comic multiverse and movie multiverse are separate otherwise the mcu created the comic multiverse through loki.

[@w111Ru1z]

Completely agree with everything you are saying and the point you are making is appreciated more as I am a comics fan first and movie fan second. However- those in charge of the MCU may have one thing right (Spiderverse aside)... if the movies never cross over with the comics... does it matter? We haven't seen any kind of resurgence in comics sales as a result of the superhero movie boom we've been enjoying for a couple of decades now. That hypothetical child you mentioned in the video getting confused by the double designation of 616 is such a minority group it means nothing to Marvel unless a larger audience takes notice and complains. Comics sales are nowhere near where they were back in the 90's for that to happen, while superhero movies were not the culture zeitgeist giant that they are today. It seems cool looking rad Mcfarlane art or Jim Lee's supermodel physiques drove sales back at their peak for comics and the movies are doing their own thing these days that sadly the comics follow their lead when I want it to be the other way round. Yet the 616 issue persists....

[@randomnessltd]

Unless otherwise said, Miguel O'Hara is right: it's Earth-199999.

[@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul]

100%

[@archieizhellboye]

i agree with this 100%

[@Gibbypastrami]

Someone else said it but adding a C or other letter to the end would be dope 616C Then all the alternate universe in the MCU are “that universe-C”

[@JasonChristopherHukom]

My head canon is the multiversal war he who remains talks about in loki season 1 ended the marvel comics universe and made a new timeline with 616 being very different then the comics

[@rusticbb8]

earth 199999 is an mirrored earth to 616, 616 has 2 adjacent universes : 199999(mcu) and 6160(ultimate universe) basically it’s just the way to say the 3 main universes are there favorites

[@Masonicon]

MCU doesn't need to be Earth-616-like

[@ocsjc13]

Well duh 616 is comic universe

[@Dog1167]

Well maybe the mcu is in a different multiverse than the comics because if the comics universe and the movie universe shared the same multiverse then wouldnt secret wars already would have happened for the mcu since it already happened in the comics because secret wars affected the whole multiverse?

[@treymykel]

I mean officially is Earth 19999 by Kevin fighting said Earth 616 because somebody probably bought it to his attention that there's codes for the Marvel University and he wants to MCU to be the main Marvel universe when it's not Earth 616 is the formation of the Marvel universe that is the original universe the MCU ain't even based off the original Marvel universe it's based off of Earth 1610 the ultimate Marvel universe so technically really should be called 1610 honestly or at least it should be called Earth 16101 as a homage to Earth 1610 you ultimate Marvel universe and it's kind of crazy that even some of the actors corrected Kevin feige and they're still in the movie saying Earth 616 and it's just like no you're not about to insult the comic book fans and you're not by the assumpty original Marvel universe by calling it 616 cuz it's not 616 they call it Earth 19999 because the Earth 616 heroes have been to the MCU Earth before That's why they labeled it lol

[@travisatchison8429]

Finally someone is talking about this. I might be cynical but I think figge wants to replace the comics with thw mcu as the main universe.

[@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul]

At the end of the day, I just want them both be of the same importance

[@MeryoQuestion]

Mcu universe should've being called universe 1610 since mcu its more similar to the original ultimate universe than the comics 616 universe, the mcu its a mix of 616 mc2 universe because of hope van dyne and elements of 1610/ultimate universe

[@928studiosinc06]

How about this? The movie timeline refers to itself as 616 in the same vein that the CW DC shows call their main timeline Earth Prime (despite the fact that there is already another Earth Prime).

[@thesoniczone11]

The way I choose to see it... The MCU is Earth 199999, also known as Earth 616C.

[@lylecampbell8288]

The two are clearly different universes, with different numbers. The MCU is based on the comics universe but condensed. Perhaps the numbers should be related too?

[@andybilyak]

Disney executives trying to pass the MCU off as 616 has not only been a baffling business move but simply spits in the faces of every creative thats worked on a Marvel comic since the debut of Namor in 1939. The near-century long history of these books getting swept aside by Kevin Feige and men in suits looking for the next million dollars to scrounge up are shamelelessly claiming that the source material and original print media for these icons supposedly only matter to give their beloved film iconography from the last 16 years a place to steal credit from when it comes time to get cameras rolling on Fantastic 4, Spider-Man, or Daredevil. This is arguably worse than the FOX executives hating the original X-Men costumes because at least they knew they were the adaptation

[@diegocaballero5775]

I think people want everything to be in a single multiverse when for copyright and licensing rights is not realistic and does not reflect the intentions of the MCU. The MCU is the 616 of its own seperate multiverse. I know some people wont accept this is true untill other properties like Sony aknoledges it but sony has no creative direction for the MCU or for marvel comics. But who does? Who is the creative director of both? Kevin Feige. So like it or not, his word is final

[@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul]

I get that, but it’s just unnecessarily confusing. Like you mentioned Fiege is in charge of both, so why not simplify to make it easier for the audience and for Disney to make money

[@diegocaballero5775]

@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul I think Feige believes by doing this he is simifying things for the audience. Purely because having one massive continuity is much harder to keep track of. Take What If and Infinity Ultron for example. The ability to use infinity stones across the multiverse actively goes against the canon of comics, but by making it two separate things audiences don't have to worry about keeping track of all the unmentioned rules and neither do the writers of each continuity. That being said I do still get where you're coming from, I wanted it all to be one multiverse from the get go, it's such a coo concept and heck, maybe one day they'll make it work and the MCU will go back to being 199999?

[@wheattoast1971]

I will call it 616 if the MCU wants it to be. Obviously the timeline from the comics is source material but the comics are nothing to the cinematic multiverse other than just inspiration. Two separate multiverses. That’s the easiest way to look at this.

[@marvelfuture2057]

I have no problem if they decide to call it 616 or 19999 at the end of the day the comics and the movies are two separated multiverse but to be honest At this point l don't care anymore everybody can call it 1999999 or 616 or 789 or 827 l don't care what l care right now about the marvel universe is that they make new movies with quality and good plot with a good development characters and more memorable moments like they have already do in deadpool and wolverine and endgame. 😘

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[@gatorboy21king]

I operate under if Fiege says its 616 its 616 side note- if the mcu is in the same multiverse as the comics how would the comics explain not rebooting the multiverse when the mcu ends it

[@sophetchen7803]

I agree I saw on someone's channel that the marvel comics said the mcu is 18876 or something like that not 616. I don't know? But yeah it's annoying.

[@dudewithachannel1163]

It goes deeper than just naming, if they're trying to claim this is 616 they did a mediocre job at making it like 616. Civil War didn’t have any X-Men, Ultron was made by Tony, Namor and T'Challa don't even know eachother, etc. They can have a twist reveal that the mcu was comic 616 warped by some reality warper the whole time. Anything but this lazy naming lol

[@Tyulenin]

Thank you

[@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul]

Welcome!

[@LBoomsky]

it's been 616 since dark world lmao across the spiderverse messed up not every single multiversal movie in the mcu namedropping it. the reason they doing this is so they can destroy every universe and do secret wars.

[@ParkerCS2]

After secret wars the multiverse will get restored. As it did in the comics. By the way, the MCU needs to end with secret wars. I’m not interested in a soft reboot especially since it’ll obligate newcomers to watch the old continuity to understand the new continuity. Same problem James Gunn’s DCU is gonna have.

[@JustACactus616]

It is 616 though. Which is more reliable? Multiverse of Madness, a Marvel Studios film, or ATSV, a Sony film? Multiverse of Madness may have been kind of… bad, but it’s a much better source than ATSV. Plus, Kevin says so. And we all know 616 is generally the main universe, and that most comics are NOT canon to the movies continuity. Plus, 199999 was only based off of a random guide book thing. So I just think it’s less important

[@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul]

I just think it’s needlessly complicated to have a separate comic 616 and a movie 616

[@JustACactus616]

@@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul How is that complicated if they’re not really canon to each other? Is it complicated that there’s Iron Man and Captain America in both?

[@tareefpierre9971]

​@JustACactus616 finally someone who's making sense. No one complained about the arrowvers being being earth one because we knew it wasn't canon to the comics. And spiderverse isn't canon to the mcu.

[@02Nurimu]

I don't know why people are overreacting. Whenever something happens in the comics it doesn't effect movies and vice versa. Scarlet witch destroys a certain book across the multiverse did it effect the movies ? No. MCU 616, main movie timeline and Comics 616 main comic timeline.

[@mtbproductions8492]

Ok I think it’s pretty obvious that the MCU and all other live action marvel universe exist outside of the comic multiverse and is its own multiverse. There’s the comic multiverse And There’s the live action multiverse

[@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul]

That’s fine, but why do two separate universes both go by 616?

[@mtbproductions8492]

@@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul there in different multiverse in the omniverse and have no relation to each other

[@tareefpierre9971]

​@@Sandwichreviewsforthesoulbecause the mcu is supposed to be an adaption. Just like the arrowverse having earth 1 be it's main universe. It isn't confusing at all. If you're talking about the arrowvere with someone you say you're talking about the arrowverse. And if you want to mention another earth it would be understood as the that earth but in the arrowverse. So all you have to do is say mcu 616.

[@guywholikesanimations1018]

8:08 A coincidence? Its just that Easy

[@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul]

Naaaahhhhh. That's way to specific of a guess.

[@guywholikesanimations1018]

@@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul yeah Thats how a coincidence works

[@touchstonefan0348]

It's the 616 of the Marvel movie/TV multiverse, but not the Marvel multiverse in general.

[@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul]

But having any universes with the same number is just unnecessarily confusing

[@orangeduckster2005]

i thought only quintin beck called it 616 and he was lying but I haven't watched a lot of anything else so I might be behind

[@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul]

That called it 616 in the most recent Deadpool (and in a bunch of other stuff like Doctor Strange)

[@Dalton_Boardman2000]

Honestly I'm not a fan of singling out one universe as the "prime/original" universe. With a multiverse that has trillions of different possibilities it can't just have one reality as a starting point.

[@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul]

All the more reason to make sure each one is given a different number or name

[@Aquascorpicorn]

One of the reasons why I thought Multiverse of Madness was stupid

[@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul]

I enjoy MOM, but with this particular flaw, it’s such a simple fix

[@cooldustin82]

I think of the movies as just goofy bullshit to pass the time and the comics as the important stuff.

[@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul]

I suppose that’s a way to look at it, but best case scenario has them both be just as important

[@KnightRaymund]

The movies are not the comics. What the comics do are of no consequence to tje movies. If the comics want to include an MCU universe and give it its own designation tjen fine. But as far as the movies are concerned, their main timeline is 616.

[@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul]

Exactly, the comics and the MCU are not the same. So shouldn't they have different names?

[@treymykel]

Okay then so why can't you leave Earth 616 alone The main continuity of the comic books and let the MCU have 19999 which is its official title and it has been for years for 10 years until Kevin got lazy with it because Kevin wants people to look at the MCU is the main Marvel universe and it's not.

[@KnightRaymund]

@@treymykel the MCU will not be controlled by what the comics do and 19999 is unwieldy and dumb

[@JohnKaung-ck2wh]

This is such a stupid topic to talk about. The MCU is an adaptation of the storylines from earth 616 from the comics. That is why it is called earth 616 in the MCU as well. The MCU is not apart of marvel comics. It's a completely separate universe(or multiverse).

[@CymruCreator]

I don't want a sandwich unless it's sandwich 616. Feige knows this, so he labels all his sandwiches as 616 to get attention.

[@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul]

This is true, 616 sandwiches are historically fantastic. I just wish this went by any other number, if only to clarify that this is a new iterative product

[@Wolverine1992-z5m]

mcu is call Sacred Timeline an in deapool & wolverine universe that deadpool go to is 616 an plus mutants an fanstic four are in mcu already because in she hulk they was news paper talk about man with claws

[@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul]

Mutants might be (depending on however the MCU's X-Men are introduced), but the fantastic four are already confirmed to be from another universe.

[@MeryoQuestion]

I have no problem with mcu being earth 616, since dc uses earth 1 and 2 3 and etc in live action tv shows and animations and nobody cares, to me theres is the comics multiverse the animation multiverse and the cinematic multiverse, the mcu 616 its not the comics 616 the same for dc the dcu earth 1 its not the comics earth1

[@Blizzardholocron]

To be fair, the spider verse movies did the exact same thing. To be honest, I don’t really care. As long as it’s a good movie or show, I’m happy.

[@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul]

Yet at least the spiderverse movies fit in Marvels expansive multiverse. But yeah you’re right, the only thing that really matters is the movie’s overall quality

[@LuxersMultiverse2090]

The MCU is all of the universes lol

[@thenationaltimelyactionhou9328]

I read Marvel Comics from 1999-2008, I only stopped because of One More Day ruining Spider-Man. I bought a new Spider-Man set in an alternate universe this year and I liked it but I can never go back! I think that the movies are a hit or miss but there's a lot of good Marvel movies. But the M She U is Earth-199999999, as per every source I've read!

[@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul]

The set you read is probably Ultimate Spider-Man, but if it’s not, definitely check that out

[@DienPhillips]

The comics 616 is in a different multiverse in the omniverse than the MCU (616). The omniverse is the multiverse of multiverses.

[@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul]

I keep commenting the same thing, but I just think it’s unnecessarily confusing to have two separate 616 universes in this omniverse

[@DienPhillips]

@@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul yeah I see what you mean. But a book and movie are the same story and same universe but happen differently like Ender’s Game or something. Are they the same universe or the same universe in a different multiverse right?

[@drybonesmunchakoopas5143]

​​@@Sandwichreviewsforthesoulif it makes you feel better the omniverse is already very expanded it even includes DC comics, the transformers, Dr Who, Capcom, image comics, Bakugan, Lego, and even funkopop, and more as silly as that is And all these have their own multiverses. In a way it's nice that includes so many things

[@Knightrogue24.]

No its not 616. The fantastic four be there, the mutants, everyone! I don't read comics. I read an old comic looks good n retro because that is the real universe. The real marvel universe. This is different from the original comics. The original Spiderman story has uncle ben, Peter's origins him becoming Spiderman from the bite. Him going after uncle bens killer. In mcu; thats not shown or present. Uncle ben is missing. And how do Tom get his spider powers? The only represent storys show uncle ben & his revenge tracking down his killer is both Tobey maguires Spiderman and Andrew Garfields the amazing Spiderman. Tobey did it better. Another follie Mary jane is supposed be redhead not a dark haired. Kirsten dunst is MJ. Gwen stacy is absent from tom hollands universe yet to appear. Probably wont. Venom doesn't exist, no oscorp. Where is everyone from spidermans story? They don't exist. This is not earth 616. This is the earth takes place in the movie. The movie cinematic earth universe. And you can say But theres been more movies apart from one story the same character over n over again. So? Tobey maguire doesn't have the avengers or the x-men. Same with andrew garfield. Theres no Spiderman or hulk or iron man in blade. Theres been 2 hulk movies. Theres been one daredevil movie, and the punisher. 2 fantastic four movies not including the reboot that one sucks. Lots of xmen movies. 1 inhumans tv show. Several Spiderman cartoons. Couple xmen fantastic four cartoons and avengers. This is not the 616 main universe. This is the media universe. The comics universe has the original stories back in the 60's and 70's & then secret wars in 80's. Clone saga and planet of the symbiotes in the 90's then it just went off the rails in the 2000s when anti venom happened, peter parker revealed his identity, civil war broke out, apparently goblin had sex with gwen stacy & pete got angry, toxin, flash thompson becoming agent venom. One more day happened. Forget that happened it didn't. It didn't happen ofcourse mj and peter didn't split up. Ofcourse aunt may is not hurt. Not mention in an alternate universe a clone of main comics had virus that infected them all into undead hungry zombies. And theres been another clone of the main 616 where peter parker is younger n fights crime in his school yrs and Eddie Brock is not same as 616 earth eddie brock. This is the ultimate universe. And then another universe where Spiderman is retired and lost his leg from his last battle with the green goblin and he settled down with Mary Jane and had daughter shes spider girl. And hes a cop too. Theres evil Spiderman clones. Theres 2099 Spiderman. From different universes. & then theres miles. He took over for peter after he died in ultimate universe. Not mention doctor ocktavious took over peters body in supporior Spiderman back in earth 616. Or another clone of it. And then for some strange reason Goblin became carnage, and mj apparently became pepper. Spiderman dawned the black suit Again for the millionth time, then flash died. And what are we at now? Apparently now somewhere in the current time we have a remake of an already existing published story from the 90's marvel forgot they distributed but remade it anyway. And eddie brock has son from anne wayne his deceased ex wife. Who used be she venom. Also now ultimate Spiderman is no longer about Miles now peter is back from the dead somehow and hes with his mj. Apparently gwen and miles are thing for some reason.. then Theres PAUL! Not the giant cold saints flow soda can from saints row 4, Paul. Just some random guy nobody knows or cares about named paul. Who is married to mj. Yeah right no forget that Peter is married to Mary Jane they have daughter. And apparently son in another clone universe with his sister. Paul is nobody. But little man. Marvel comics got weird n strange after one more day. Then it just got worse after stan passed away. Who is knull? I don't remember anyone in planet of the symbiotes named knull. And how can eddie brock have a son if she died? And why is peter alive again in the ultimate universe? Why or how does any of this make sense? I don't know its random comics writing with 0 boundaries. Nothing is same kept with the original stories from the old days. When they started. All of this is one more days fault. The comic that spun everything into another direction course. If one more day never happened i bet you ultimate peter may not have died, or goblin never became carnage. Or eddie has son, or paul happened. This is all because of the deal with the devil. Its that deal peter made. And he never undid it either. It stayed there for long time. Because he was scared of losing aunt may so it costed him not only his marriage n life but it effected everything and everyone around him. Still they shouldn't have wrote that story about sacrificing his marriage and everyones memories. Or the goblin doing gwen that was gross n sick. Peter should have smack ed him very hard that he made sure he felt it. Those original stories from the 60's and 70's and 80's theyre still there n theyre always going be the main 616 earth. Dont incorporate anything after the 90's. The comics got bad after Spiderman sold his marriage, and gave away his identity to the world. Everything went down after civil war n it got worse after one more day. Edit.

[@Coldstone-Jay]

Dude ur pissing me off , its 616 bc the PRESIDENT of marvel said it is these are movies , it doesn't have to be EXACTLY like the comics 🙄

[@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul]

All the more reason why the movie universe shouldn’t go by the same name as the comic universe. If they’re not clearly separated, it’s unnecessarily confusing

[@seanking8427]

Well the MCU is 616 to me because I loathe the 616 in the Comic Books

[@treymykel]

All right so you're up Marvel MCU fanboy make sense a lot of y'all hate the comic books anyway but yet y'all claim to be fans shocker lol

[@seanking8427]

@@treymykel I love the 1610 Ultimate Universe and the Marvel Adventures Universe, especially both their takes on Spider-Man.

[@anthonyfreire7251]

I used to be mad about it but honestly I seen another video or something somewhere calling the MCUs choice for calling itself as 616 adaptation. You wouldn't bust DCs balls by using the Earth 1 in any of the media that clearly isn't DCs Earth 1. 616 is just a in universe way of saying it's the main earth = earth prime = earth 1.

[@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul]

That makes sense, but 616 is just too specific of a number. It would've been fine if the MCU went by 617, or anything else, but it comes off as lazy to copy the comics.

[@The_Vaperion]

@@Sandwichreviewsforthesoulit’s just and adaption

[@Veela666]

Yes it is. The MCU or rather Marvel Cinematic Multiverse (MCM) is not apart of the Marvel comic multiverse. The main timeline has been established as 616 in MOM and Loki.

[@Sandwichreviewsforthesoul]

In that case, why have a separate multiverse for the movies and the comics? Besides, we’ve already seen multiversal characters like spider-man jump from comic to video game to movie, so I don’t think that’s even true.

[@coachtali5151]

Duh 😂😂😂

[@nicktreble]

cgi will be the way to go going forward ..live action cant last more than 100 movies maximum , people will get too old , or you'd have to recast or do future storylines..

[@ArcTrooper269]

First start to sistematically erase all Marvel Media outside the C.U.M. (The Fox Universe, the TASM Movies, Spectacular Spider-Man, Armored Adventures, The Yost Verse, the Anime Universe, etc.), then smash C.U.M. sinergy on everything, either Games, comics and animated shows, THEN START TO CALL THE C.U.M. EARTH 616 Don't expect Marvel fans will get along with that, Disney 😡