The Meaning of Ισραήλ (Israel) in Paul with Jason Staples (Key Terms in Pauline Theology: Part 6)

[@davidqatan]

Dr. Staples' room looks absolutely intimidating. Powerblocks on the floor, bookshelves loaded, what looks like his bed in the room. Lift, read, sleep, repeat.

[@notanemoprog]

Great interview

[@blakewidmer]

I love Jason Staples, from the first time I read his article on "what do the gentiles have to do with "all Israel" (rom 11:25-27) I have appreciated his fresh lens and straight-forward approach. A great scholar finally getting more credibility!

[@AlexADalton]

2 reasons why this guy is the best. 1. he's brilliant 2. he's a very clear communicator for non-scholarly audiences.

[@Biblingoapp]

Totally agree - we love Jason!

[@pepepena1937]

@@Biblingoapp is he a Christian?

[@aliensojourner]

Awesome.

[@AlphaOmegaTruth7]

Jason Staples has confirmed thibgs i had thought but wasnt sure of , as far as Israel integrated into Gentile nations and becoming as Gentiles in the eyes if God. And Israel coming back through the Church , light 🕯️ of Christ.

[@markbeal5834]

He does an awesome job on this. I'm sure he's a believer. He seems to speak as such.

[@NoahRichardHarris]

Really enjoyed the discussion. While not convinced of his view entirely, particularly his application towards the end of Romans- he brought up some really good points to think about.

[@markbeal5834]

Another awesome resource is the apocalyptic gospel podcast with Josh Hawkins, Bill Scofield, and John Harrigan (also John's book "The Gospel of Christ Crucified"), although I believe Jason's understanding of Israel is true and the apocalyptic gospel guys get this wrong. But the apocalyptic gospel guys bring immense value in (re)framing the gospels and apostolic writings back into their first century Jewish (apocalyptic/radically eschatological) context. Their work with Jason's work (plus Mike Heisers work), in my opinion, really encompasses the message that the Messiah and His apostles actually proclaimed in the first century. Pure gold. I think my own dissertation will infuse both thrusts!

[@itsmebivin]

Loved this episode

[@lukekrell5665]

Very good content.

[@Biblingoapp]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@PreacherReads]

You mentioned a link for an article in the section on Romans 9-11, could you link that?

[@Biblingoapp]

Yes - sorry about that! Here it is (also adding to the video description): www.cambridge.org/core/journals/harvard-theological-review/article/vessels-of-wrath-and-gods-pathos-potterclay-imagery-in-rom-92023/10212C0E6F1B7E444E80CB3CDD58D106

[@singgreekandhebrew]

Excellent. Very interesting. Thanks

[@pepepena1937]

@@Biblingoapp Is Jason a Christian?

[@nobodyyouknow3110]

To confirm, does this redefinition of the term “Gentile” still include us pagan/heathen as we traditionally understand it? Or has it always referred to the non-Jew Israelites who had no hope prior to Christ’s work on the cross/Paul’s ministry?

[@MarcP5267]

The question I have for Dr Staples is; is EVERYONE that isn’t from Judah or Benjamin Israelites?

[@MarcP5267]

1 Corinthians 10 when Paul says “our ancestors” doesn’t mean he is saying that they are the gentiles ancestors. Because you have to read down further to get the context.

[@MarcP5267]

Sounds confusing. Seems like Staples is saying that Israel(northern) are the gentiles. In Romans 11 Paul says he’s an Israelite. This video sounds like 2 house theology.

[@markbeal5834]

I think he does a great job clarifying what two house theology doesn't. If we can try to remove our filters and biases, I feel what Jason Staples shares is really worth considering. I don't label things and I think there is some validity in two house theology but I think the way Jason Staples work through it is just much more articulate and accurate. Just my opinion as I search for truth.

[@josephbrown6906]

@MarcP5267 Staples isn't saying that exactly what he is saying or what I understand him to be saying is that when the 10 Northern tribes were exiled and dispersed among the Nations that became so assimilated into the Gentiles that to fulfill the promise of God that He would in time return them to His fold that Gentiles would also have to be brought in because the two had become inseparable or at least the portion of those tribes that had assimilated.

[@angelusvastator1297]

Paul sometimes distinguishes between ethnonational and true Israel depending on context

[@Dennis144000]

I disagree with the major premise of this book . We know the northern tribes of Israel are not lost nor have they assimilated into the nations because… 1)The Biblical accounts of Ten Tribes in Judea after the Assyrian capture of the north in 722 2) The archeological evidence of a surge of 80,000 people in Judea population at the time of the Assyrian deportation circa 720 BC. Population of Judea goes from 40,000 to 120,000. This is from 10 Tribes migrating to Judea. 3) The biblical account of Ten Tribes mentioned to be in Judea circa 530 BC after the Babylonian captivity and Ezra's and Nehemiah's repatriation 4) The strict Jewish laws prohibiting inter-racial/religion marriage 5) Paul, who was of the tribe of Benjamin, calls those who were alive and in the land of Judea and the greater Roman Empire " Israel" when speaking to Agrippa. 6) Paul mentions Israel (and he means literal Israel, distinct from Gentile) 12 times in Romans Ch 9-11 7) James addresses all 12 Tribes in James 1:1 8) Anna (Luke 2:36) was from the tribe of Asher (one of the ten supposedly lost tribes) 9) Zechariah and Elisabeth-and therefore John the Baptist-are from the tribe of Levi (Luke 1:5) 10) Jesus chose twelve apostles as a typological representation of the 12 tribes 11) King of the Jews equals King of Israel Mark 15:32 12) The massive aliyah of Israelites from Iran, Turkey and Iraq (formerly Assyria) prophesied and being fulfilled! 13) The Revelation lists 12 tribes to be restored before Christ’s second coming. 14) Peter addresses all Israel in Acts 2:22, 36 etc 15) Josephus did not understand the northern tribes to have assimilated into the nations. He saw them as still a distinct and identifiable people group.