The Meaningless Play That Changed A Career

[@bajikimran2304]

Rose has long justified the play by saying that "going all out, even in the All Star game was his style, and he didn't believe in playing the game any other way". Fast forward eight years later and Rose has a 44 game hitting streak. In game #45, he's 0 for 3 with a walk and batting with two out is the 9th inning with the Reds trailing the Braves 16-4. Gene Garber is on the mound for Atlanta and he runs the count on Rose to 3-1. Garber's next two pitches are off the plate. but Rose has to chase them and strikes out swinging. In the press conference after the game, Rose has a profanity laced tirade aimed at Garber for "pitching me like it was the 7th game of the World Series". So in other words, in a meaningless All Star game you're supposed to wrecklessly go all out because that''s the way the game is played, but in a meaningful regular season game Garber is supposed to give in to Rose and let his streak continue. Players on other teams couldn't stand Rose and oftentimes his own teammates couldn't stomach him. I'm sure Garber was glad to stick it to him. The biggest laugh was when Rose ripped Garber saying that his hitting streak was "for the fans" and that Garber had "robbed the fans". Yeah, right. As arrogant as Rose was, it was all about him. For those who are wondering, Rose got 4 hits in the next game against the Padres, before going hitless in the game after that. In fact, Rose would go hitless in 15 of the Reds next 26 games.

[@gatormangrove3129]

Nah, you're being willfully obtuse. The way Garber pitched around Rose would fall in the same category as bunting in the 9th inning to break up a no hitter. No rule breaking by the letter of the rules on Garbers part, but he did break the spirit of the rules. You know, unwritten rules? Sounds like Rose give you the Red Ass (pun intended) and you didn't like the man personally. Sounds like jealousy on your part and that's understandable. IDK who your team is, but I'm sure no one on it has as many hits as the greatest hitter in MLB history.

[@PlayerToBeNamedLater1973]

@@bajikimran2304 I love the fact that Rose won batting titles, MVP awards , 3 rings and his name is at the top of the career records lists. Fosse could have done a lot more if he had the baseball instincts, or the good common sense, not to block the base path without the baseball. But he didn't and that's that.

[@redsky8763]

@bajikimran2304 Thanks for the info. Sometimes our heroes or favorite players turn out to be despicable human beings.

[@davidhose5389]

Well it isn’t a surprise. Rose was a dick as a player and as a person. He is a hypocritical pos. He broke a big rule in betting on baseball and agreed to the terms of being banned. So I say keep him out of the hall of fame

[@sandyatkins6978]

Excellent post and spot on. As a big MLB fan as a kid I followed the sport by reading The Sporting News and listening to practically every Braves game via radio. Respected Rose at first but over time learned what a selfish, crass human being he was. I remember the Gene Garber episode exactly as you noted. His later banishment for gambling did not surprise me one bit. Sociopaths almost always push things too far and get exposed for all to see.

[@user-vx8fx1yw1d]

Pete was the worst thing ever to happen to Baseball. That creep wanted to do nothing but hurt everyone at all cost. He was a terrible person wanting to hurt is all.

[@CJK-bt4ll]

I love the fact that Fosse got his 2 rings before Rose got any. RIP Ray. True baseball guy.

[@badmaxx]

@@CJK-bt4ll I love the fact that Ray Fosse is only remembered because of Pete Rose.

[@CJK-bt4ll]

@@badmaxx I would strongly disagree w/that. I have family in the Bay area, big A's fans. He was a beloved figure within the organization, having been a broadcaster for so many years. They remembered his clutch hits in '73 & '74. To me, he repped grit and determination. Always been an inspiration. If you're a baseball fan, you know better.

[@badmaxx]

@@CJK-bt4ll grit and determination, very rich. Likely more so than Pete? LOL @ the backhanded comment, “If you don’t agree, you don’t understand baseball”. I lived in Oakland for many years and put in much time at the Mausoleum. But, so what?

[@CJK-bt4ll]

@@badmaxx I'm a huge Rose fan. Really am. I favor his induction into the HOF. But I acknowledge Rose's failings as a human being. Fosse was a good guy, like to see folks like that succeed and be remembered. My comment was not meant to be backhanded. That's how I see the game. That's how I played and wish more did.

[@thomasgassert7673]

Jealous Rose haters everywhere.

[@kim0755]

From July 17th to August 6th he hit in 14 out of 16 games hitting .359. Pete changed his career for the better otherwise none of us would have ever heard of him

[@jackzimmer6553]

He did pretty good despite all the damage his body took! I remember seeing the collision on TV at Riverfront Stadium.

[@chicklets4ever51]

As a Cleveland fan, I never forgave Pete Rose for this. I always rooted against him after that.

[@marioarguello6989]

I am sure it hurt Pete Rose's feelings. Did you forgive Fosse for blocking the plate?

[@h0gwartz]

Fosse was way out in fron of the plate and blocking the path. You can see Rose beginning to lean into a head first slide and then realizing he would never reach the plate.

[@badmaxx]

@@h0gwartz Bingo. Still though, so many haven't got the memo, even though it's quite straightforward in the video. Definitely a hesitation as Pete lowers himself slightly then decides to go shoulder to shoulder rather than shoulder to shin guard.

[@JasonSmith-jr7jh]

Awwwww...sounds like SOMEBODY needs a hug!

[@chicklets4ever51]

@@badmaxx You guys just like dirty players. You don't ruin a player's career for the effing All-Star Game. Rose was bush league. He was always needlessly crashing into opponents. This was not a one-off instance. And he was a cheater. Uppers, and then the gambling. The historical record bears me out. He'll never get into the Hall of Fame, and rightly so.

[@donaldleider7382]

Before judging Pete Rose, you have to remember the context of the 1970 All-Star game. The All-Star game back in the day was not considered meaningless by the players. The American and National League were two separate leagues that did not like each other and did not play each other until the World Series. There was a lot of pride, bragging rights and money on the line for these All-Star games. Could Pete Rose have went around Ray Fosse? Probably but like it or not, It wasn’t the way the game was played back then!

[@patfreeman53]

I was a 10 yr old when Rose hit him. I loved Ray Fosse but never blamed Rose. He had an injury plagued career. As a baseball coach, I would still to this day use Pete Rose as the way you should play baseball. Hustle and play all out.

[@Jiltedin2007]

Wasn’t Ray Fosse Catching for the Oakland A’s winning a World Series Ring in 1974?

[@marioarguello6989]

Don't let the truth get in the way of a "good" story.

[@jeffbosworth8116]

also 1973

[@db-rc5fr]

After 1973 he became a part time player.

[@badmaxx]

@@Jiltedin2007 along with Dave Duncan and Gene Tenace

[@Jiltedin2007]

@@badmaxx I only remember Dave Duncan playing with the Orioles. When did Duncan go to Baltimore?

[@jct6758]

It wasn’t meaningless to Rose and the NL. That was the winning run. Now the AsG is a joke.

[@danielcraft3727]

Impeding the path of a runner without the ball was against the rules if I remember correctly. Injuries ruin the careers of a lot of athletes. Injuring my lower back playing baseball at 14 years old ended my baseball dreams as far as at least getting to play Minor league ball or small college. Thousands of stories like that from high school kids with just one injury taking the edge off your skills or losing a step as far as speed and quickness goes. Sports did a number on my body. The thrill of victory and the agony of defeat. ABC Wide World of Sports.The ski jumper crashing, I ragged doll a good 100 yards at 19. Half my life was spent physically disabled. Sure was fun though but if had to do it over, I don't know. Them thar books and classrooms look a little more appealing in hindsight, lol.

[@richardsawdon3401]

I was born in 1963, so me and my classmates were just embarking on our little league careers in the aftermath of this event. Back then, Pete Rose set the standard for how the kids I knew wanted to play the game: all-out-effort, head-first slides, etc. I love the fact that Pete bowled him over. Fosse made the decision to block the plate without the ball--that's his problem. Fosse was nobody whose baseball card we cared about owning, but Pete Rose's card was highly desired. Rose went on to pass Ty Cobb in hits. Several decades later, we look at Rose differently because of the cheating scandal. Today's kids are riding around on their bikes with their hand-held devices playing electronic games while they ride. They are not passionate about the game the way that we used to be. Today kids delude themselves into believing that Fosse had a right to block the plate in a meaningless game. That's hogwash.

[@michaell874]

There are a few things to consider here. Back then players were competitive and wanted to win regardless of whether or not the game was deemed meaningless. Then, if you Pete Ross after he rounded third, he looked like he wanted to dive, but with Ray Fosse blocking the plate, it looked as it Rose was trying to decided, but then lost his footing just prior to barreling into Fosse. It was unintentional and unfortunate that Fosse was injured on that play, but there have been many players that made the all star game who seemed to have their careers take a tailspin shortly thereafter. Therefore, I reject the accusation that this play altered Fosse’s career afterwards.

[@mrbake6933]

Fosse guarding the plate in a meaningless game is every bit as aggressive as Rose running into him to score.

[@bobnewby9129]

Rose might be an A-hole but this isn't evidence of it. Fosse blocked the plate and didn't even have the ball yet. If you don't want to get trucked, don't block the plate.

[@MichaelGibbons-uk2mc]

@bobnewby9129 point taken. I played catcher in slow pitch softball and even there got three cracked ribs while blocking the plate. Lying on the ground moaning got the attention and sympathy from every woman watching the game even from a couple whose boyfriends played for the other team.

[@martyyoung3611]

I always taught my catchers to get in front of the plate. If the runner sees the plate he will slide.

[@jamesanthony5681]

@@martyyoung3611 Johnny Bench said the same thing.

[@martyyoung3611]

@@jamesanthony5681, That's where I learned it. One of my favorite players.

[@anonymike8280]

Fosse was trying to make a play that wasn't there. He could have conceded the run and backed up to cut off the ball. You don't have much time to react though. You do what you do, and what the baserunner does is try to make home plate. That's what baseball is. Score runs. Stop the opponent from scoring. Get on base. Get around. The All-Star game is still a baseball game. I think people are annoyed above all because baseball is not considered a contact sport. Nevertheless, contact occurs and the consequences of it are unpredictable.

[@MichaelGibbons-uk2mc]

No matter how you cut it, Rose was an asshole.

[@badmaxx]

A non-sequitur on your part. Pay attention to the topic.

[@chicklets4ever51]

That is correct. This play was merely one of many instances of that basic fact.

[@MichaelGibbons-uk2mc]

@badmaxx It's simply a comment, which may be right or wrong, but since it is not logically connected to the previous assertions, is not a non sequitur.

[@darrenkoons2386]

I know a lot of assholes. That doesnt mean they are all bad people, just assholes.

[@gatormangrove3129]

Asshole with 4256 hits😂😂😂😂. Greatest hitter since Ty Cobb.

[@RoundingThird]

You grow up on the river in the 50s, with that dad, playing for your hometown team, a winner, in a new stadium, all-star game, dad in the stands and don’t do what Rose did, you’re a loser. He didn’t try to hurt him. Fosse was in the way and didn’t have the ball and in 1970 that got you the Woody Hays treatment. A champion plays to win, and that’s exactly what Pete was. The play was legal. There are legit things to criticize about the man but this isn’t one.

[@carseye1219]

Rose could've showed a little human decency and apologized after the fact but, in his ridiculous uber-macho delusional world, apologizing would be showing weakness. Like he wasted 30 years not admitting guilt/apologizing for his reckless gambling/personal behavior until a book deal made it lucrative enough. Say what you want about his on-field talents but he was one of the phoniest characters in history. "Woody Hays (sic) treatment." Bullsh*t! Hayes had a lot more class as a human being than pete would ever know. What the f*ck did his dad in the stands have to do with anything? You only mentioned it twice...

[@ron88303]

@@carseye1219But you’re talking about after the play; not the play itself.

[@DanielBarberMusic]

@@ron88303 no reason he couldn’t have simply slid.

[@ron88303]

@@DanielBarberMusic Perhaps, but that’s how he played. The game was far less collegial back then; players did not fraternize with their opponents. Did he intentionally try to injure Fosse? I really don’t think so; he could have just as easily injured himself. But what he did was consistent with how he knew to play the game.

[@DanielBarberMusic]

@@ron88303 I think I hear what you’re saying, but I remember seeing that play and being horrified by it. I was never taught to play the game that way and I had never seen anybody else play it that way. Baseball isn’t football and to be sitting still, and having someone run at you full speed, and then blast you over as if that is necessary in order to touch the plate just felt to me like a violation of the sport. As I recall, I liked Rose and his hustle before that, but that moment really changed something in me about him. And I understand that’s just me but, for what it’s worth…

[@gregoryking7266]

Gene's name is pronounced Tennis

[@ericarmstrong6540]

This is what happens when AI is used to narrate videos.

[@badmaxx]

Also known as Geno Tay-nah-chay! Fiore Gino Tenacci was Gene's birth name.

[@jaygordon9554]

I'm 63 years old and this was the way baseball was played for 100+ years

[@BuckshotPA1]

It was an exhibition game!

[@kingcassius2586]

@@BuckshotPA1 The game was apparently important enough for Fosse to want to block the plate. It was also important enough to go into extra innings. Too many folks think that yesteryear's ASGs had the lightheartedness of Oldtimers games. ASGs were taken very seriously until the 90s.

[@badmaxx]

@@BuckshotPA1 Then, where was Fosse's ole (olay) move? Those who spent hard earned dough might prefer an uncompetitive game? All-Star GAME! A game. Not spring training, warmups, practice, pepper games or stretching exercises!

[@michaelraphael2160]

Car seats also weren't required for children until 1985 to. I'm sure the kids were just fine in riding in the backseat of a car for 100+ years as well.

[@jaygordon9554]

@michaelraphael2160 that has nothing to do with baseball! I'm not here to argue that's all people want anymore. In all the years of baseball only one player has been killed and he was hit with a pitch.

[@TheMick126]

He played until 1979 won 2 world series with the a's was on the inaugural mariners team so it didn't do that much

[@jimwerther]

Gene _Tennaci??_ It's Gene Tenace, pronounced "tennis". That's embarassing.

[@markhousman8447]

I am so glad blocking the plate has been removed from the game. The home plate collisions from the past seem so crazy now.

[@thomasgassert7673]

Fosse didn't miss any games right after this while Rose missed 3 games. He played the game one way "all out"....

[@Autshot20]

Absolutely cheap shot explained as "hustle". Rose was going to his head first half-gainer dive, stumbled, and then plowed the unexpecting Fosse. It could be compared to a NBA player going in for slam dunk and an opposing player committing a flagrant foul and injuring the player dunking. Totally uncalled for and why would the slammer expect another player to do that? Such a shame Rose's hustle helped derail a very promising career.

[@richardmastromarino8908]

It was a needless collision in a game that meant nothing.....tough guy Rose, picked a fight with the big Bud Harrelson in the playoffs also....he picked his spots did he not...

[@straycatttt2766]

Back then, players tried to win all-star games. In this century, snowflakes decided to eliminate defense in all-star games and let everyone play. All-star games are so repulsive now that the NFL has conceded by eliminating the Pro Bowl.

[@TheBatugan77]

Harrelson started that fight, dick.

[@redsky8763]

This was an All Star Game, not a real game. No need to play hard but Mr Immature Pete Rose decided to hurt someone on purpose. So cry like the baby you are Mr Rose. You'll never make it into the Hall of Fame .... like it really matters in the end.

[@alanbeckham9093]

Rose bet against his own team. More than once. A stain on the game.

[@stevemineer2857]

Prove it.

[@MichaelGibbons-uk2mc]

@alanbeckham9093 He claimed he never bet against his own team, but I don't find him believable. On a related point, Joe Jackson banned forever and no evidence he actually threw any game. Hit above his career average in the WS (as I recall reading) and acquitted in a court of law. I think Ed Cicotte, on the other hand, was a different story.

[@frankherman5195]

​@@stevemineer2857it was

[@stevemineer2857]

@@frankherman5195 nope. Nice try.

[@brayanomalley9758]

So.... he broke his index finger twice. He charged the mound and ended up with 5 stitches in his finger. He broke up a clubhouse brawl and got injured doing so. He didn't tell his manager that he was injured after the 1970 ASG.... He went on to play many productive seasons, winning golden gloves in 1970 and 71. On the "meaningless" (good Lord....) play, Pete Rose was on his way into a headfirst slide. Fosse was straddling the foul line and he knew in the final half second that Rose would get to him before the ball. Rose had no where to go - his momentum was carrying his straight into Fosse - who didn't pull out of the play (which he should have done). Why not? Because the American League wanted to win - and they had to stop Pete Rose from scoring to win. Rose, on the other hand, wanted to win for the National League. Why such a big deal? This was before free agency. Before interleague play. The ONLY time one league could prove to the fans that it was better than the other league was at the All-Star Game. There had been a rivalry between leagues from the very start. (Indeed, there was no WS in 1903 because NY Giants manager John McGraw refused to play the inferior American League.) In the late 60s and 1970s and 1980s Chub Feeney was the President of the National League. Players are on record telling about the pre-game speeches Feeney gave them about the importance of winning the ASG and proving that the NL was the better league (the NL won every year from 1963-1982 with the exception of 1971). So, this "meaningless" play had indeed meaning. It boils down to Fosse stayed too long on the foul line without the ball and Rose had nowhere to go but through him. The National League won, and Pete Rose was smart enough to tell his manager that he was injured. What is sad is that because of Rose's gambling addiction, unknowing, uncaring modern "fans" use this play to vilify Rose as a dirty player. Something he wasn't.

[@roadtrip2943]

Foster had an exemplary career as an oakland A's commentator relating snippets of inside baseball tales

[@matthewstarjumper5286]

why does the description say Pete Rosse?

[@donbeare2379]

So Fosse was blocking the plate, what was Rose supposed to do, just stop and raise his hands in the air and say you got me?

[@jimwerther]

Go around him. There was room, and the ball wasn't there.

[@donbeare2379]

@@jimwerther have you ever played ball? I played for 12 years, you don't go around.

[@jimwerther]

@@donbeare2379 Watch the video. Fosse wasn't really blocking the plate.

[@donbeare2379]

@@jimwerther if he wasn't blocking the plate then was it NECESSARY for rose to have to tuck his shoulder and run into him in order to score.

[@donbeare2379]

@@jimwerther iv watched the video many many times and he was blocking roses path to the plate. If you don't think so then you are in denial.

[@johnrosness2932]

He was on the track without the ball in front of the train. WTH was Rose supposed to do?

[@redsky8763]

@johnrosness2932 That's easy. Go around and step on the plate.

[@johnrosness2932]

That’s not Rose’s responsibility to protect Fosse. He’s trying to score. Fosse was cutting off his path to the plate without the ball. Rose is running full tilt. He can’t just “step” around him. Fosse was a big boy. He should have known better.

[@redsky8763]

@@johnrosness2932 Step around. It's just a stupid all star game.

[@johnrosness2932]

Not possible. There was no time to go around him. Maybe you’re a Pete Rose-hater?

[@samiam619]

ANOTHER good reason to (intensely) dislike Rose. Forget “no soup for you”, it’s no HOF FOR YOU!

[@bobjones8321]

I never liked Rose and I never feel he should be in the Hall of Fame. I’m curious though, was Fosse blocking the plate and Rose had no choice but to barrel into him? Or could Rose have done something else to touch home plate?

[@samiam619]

@@bobjones8321 It was the GD All Star Game! It doesn’t mean a thing! Certainly not to ruin a players career…

[@kevinnvreeland6956]

Wasn’t the World Series. No need for Rose to take a cheap shot.

[@DavidHood-b3r]

Fosse knew who was running. If he thought it was meaningless, he wouldn't have blocked the plate.

[@luv2sail66]

Rose leveled a cheap shot in an exhibition game. Yes, he had a decent career afterward, but we will never know what might have been. Asshole play by Rose in a game that ultimately didn’t matter.

[@Rayburn58]

Pete Rose palyed to win everytime he took the field, and back then the all star game was very competitive and important to all the players unlike today's bogus sham all star game. Back then the all star game mattered very much to the players. They wanted to win the game same as any playoff game. The hit on Fosse was clean. That's how the game was played by winners back then. Rose was at 110% full speed every game. Fosse said after it was a clean play. Fosse gave him no path to the plate. Rose only option to score was to hit him. Watch the play, Pete was going to slide head first but when he saw Fosse blocking the plate, he regained his balance and hit him with a shoulder block. He had no other option, great play by Pete.

[@tomb9696]

In those years, the NL always found a way to win the ASG. I was a die-hard AL'er, and suffered through almost 25 years of defeats. That's why it's been gratifying to witness the AL dominance of the game for over the past quarter century and more. It roughly started in 1983, when they won on Lynn's grand slam. I guess, as a lifelong NL'er, Rose has had his share of disappointments about this dominance. Of course, he has other, larger issues to worry about...

[@SteveMaher-pe2cd]

Wrong

[@chicklets4ever51]

@@Rayburn58 Yeah, sure, Rose played to win every time, so hard that he cheated to win with performance enhancers and dirty plays.

[@Rayburn58]

@@chicklets4ever51 What performance enhancers did he use and what evidence do you have? Rose played before the PED era and no one ever accused Rose of using PED drugs. Also what dirty plays did he make and how are they dirty. Explain and sustantiate your claims.

[@eddierivera1860]

Meaningless is right! But look how Rose's life has gone. KARMA!

[@Lawomenshoops]

As much as I hated all the a$$holes on the little red machine, except George Foster, I had no issues with that play. But, if the medical technology of today was available back them, Fosse would have missed the 2nd half of the 70 season. He would have gotten a MRI on his shoulder, they would’ve found the injury, and he would have gone for surgery or rehab.

[@AllBobsAllTheTime]

I didn't like it but that's pretty much how baseball was played back then.

[@groofoot]

4:43 = Dick Dietz was standing way too close to the plate as that play concluded ...

[@LJC68]

What a tough, great player!

[@ericbond5276]

They both played the game as it was meant to be played. If not, it would similar to NFL Pro Bowl.

[@frankherman5195]

Rose always tried to make everything look like it was the best play ever. Was always a drama queen on the base paths.

[@selfdefensept]

Obviously a video put up by a Rose hitter in order to draw comments from Rose haters. The notion that Rose ruined Fosse’s career is bullshit. Fosse went on to play on two World Series teams after that and played until 1979. Back then the All Star Game meant something and winning was a matter of league pride. As Rose correctly pointed out, “ fans paid more to get into that game than a regular season game. I’m not supposed to try and win that game.” Now the All Star game is a joke. Also, any honest review of the film of the collision clearly shows had shifted his weight forward way before he got Fosse because his initial intention was to go into his head first slide. However, Fosse had the plate blocked so there was no way to slide to it so Rose just lumbered forward and bowled him over. Bottom line is Pete Rose was an All-Star at five different positions. No other player can make that claim. He also the old-time hit leader. he was a take no prisoners type player and you’ll never see his life again.

[@scarbo2229]

What’s wrong with using the simple past tense when talking about the past?

[@darrenkoons2386]

Meaningless to whom? So tired of this shit. Fosse didnt even miss a game because of that play but Rose did. Fosse didnt decline until a few seasons later. Those games meant something to them back then. Not like these glorified softball players of today.

[@stevefish3124]

It was not the first All Star game played at night.

[@TonyChaney]

Became illegal in 2013

[@williammurray8060]

That was a cheap shot, he's paying for it now

[@ronpeacock9939]

sounds like Cleveland dropped the ball more than the play. If he's gotten proper treatment, I bet he'd have been fine. Rose only played at full speed. Not only that.. the attitudes of the day didnt' help.. the play through pain was SOP back then.

[@loboblanco4426]

Sounds like my red sox run with Chris Sale...

[@ryansteele2677]

Rose def didn't have any path to slide and he even starts to duck down to headfirst slide but pulls up as he realizes he has no path... By the rules and standards of the time, if a catcher stood where Fosse was standing he knew he was probably going to get run into... At all levels of play catchers knew this... Prior to the rule changes about collisions, catchers were taught that it was your plate and your job in moments like that was to be a brick wall for the runner to hit and hold onto the ball in the process... Fosse knew what he was doing and he paid for it...

[@redsky8763]

It was an Allstar game, not a real game. Rose was just showing off. The cry baby.

[@ryansteele2677]

@@redsky8763 nope

[@redsky8763]

@@ryansteele2677 Yep

[@stevemineer2857]

@@redsky8763The only one I’ve seen crying about this for decades was Fosse.

[@redsky8763]

@stevemineer2857 If it was the other way around, maybe Petey wouldn't have started gambling on baseball.

[@loboblanco4426]

This guy has more broken bones than Evil Kenevil...

[@bluntone2273]

The only reason anyone remembers his name is because of Rose. Stop making this a bigger deal than it was. Besides, if you want to blame anyone for this kind of crap, blame MLB. They could ban blocking the plate to prevent injuries.

[@twoface3602]

Rose was a beast fossee was a wimp end of story

[@aVerveQuest]

Then less than a decade later Indians fans would have to deal with Joe charbonneau winning rookie of the Year over Rickey Henderson, then failing to live up to any measure of expectation

[@coachmullen1]

I hate that you used new stats like OPS and WAR to talk about old school players. Those numbers didn't mean anything then and they don't mean anything now. The Seattle Mariners have been telling me Dylan Moore is a great baseball player because he has a high OPS. He's a sub-par player, so OPS is actually a potentially misleading stat, while WAR imagines a replacement player, which is inherently not fact-based. Give me batting average, OBP, SLG, runs, and RBI. Add in SB, SB%, and HR if you want. That's how you can tell if a ballplayer is productive or not.

[@Salvatore1268]

No mention of the cherry bomb that hit him

[@christianmendozatapia295]

Sounds like he did okay.... 🤔

[@billcampbellini9278]

Glad rose never made hall of fame.

[@gatormangrove3129]

It's not "Tenache" It's Tenace ( pronounced Tennis). Do better next time.

[@robertbluestein7800]

No, Fosse’s career wasn’t ruined by this play. He was behind the plate for the next three weeks before taking a day off. His first half of the 1970 season was a freak power surge that had never appeared before or after. Fosse played in over 100 games over the next three years, and this narrative that makes Rose look like a mean baller.

[@timmytwotone6826]

Yeah but he was never the same after that hit and that's what people are going by and it's true it's damn true

[@thecaveman3503]

Who said his career was ruined by rose? Projecting much? 😂

[@timmytwotone6826]

@@thecaveman3503 it was

[@Dominos-el7qr]

But look at how many guys had their best year, maybe their only good year, in 1970. Like Billy Grabarkawicz (however the hell you spell it) who was part of that all star inning. Cito Gaston for example. Who knows that Fosse was really that good? I liked him, but I don't really know.

[@PlayerToBeNamedLater1973]

​@@thecaveman3503Lots of people have said that. People who insist on using terms like 'projecting much ' are mindless cretins who have to look at whatever is trending in order to have anything to say

[@mlgerab]

If the Rose accident didn’t derail his career surely one of his many, many other injuries would.

[@ldr4690]

“Tenachy”? Great vid, but how can someone put in so much time and research and not know Gene Tenace “Tennis”😂

[@badmaxx]

Does Leo Durocher, author of “Nice Guys Finish Last” bear some responsibility for inciting Pete to hurt Fosse thru dangerous National League pride rhetoric and theatrics? 🤪

[@strangerintown3676]

It was meaningless, doing a stupid play you put yourself at risk. The season is what counts & your career.

[@ron88303]

Sometimes the competitive spirit takes over. Rose could have injured his self instead of Fosse.

[@RebelPilgrimLife]

Meaningless?…if the scoreboard is on…every play is meaningful

[@jonncockrell3606]

All star game. Didn't matter or count in any standings. Pure exhibition game.

[@badmaxx]

This. League pride, fans taking the time and spending money, none of that is meaningless. They wanna see a damn game that is competitive.

[@RebelPilgrimLife]

@@jonncockrell3606 there is no such thing as an exhibition game if the score board is on…when the lights are on, it is game on…anything less should be a free ticket

[@robertlevine2827]

Why didn't the Silver Sox wear silver socks?

[@GlenSharp-g4x]

Cheap Shot…Rose probably bet heavily on the NL

[@billykl2790]

Absolutely nothing wrong with him running over him ball or no ball

[@rockitsurjon8629]

It's not meaningless. The meaning is Pete Rose is a prick. Great ball player, undoubtedly, but a prick. I don't hate him.

[@chrisfloyd7316]

All that for an exhibition game. I get competitive nature, but what a dumb decision.

[@k.s.nichols4060]

And the game means literally nothing now, aside from selling gaudy jerseys made by third world slaves.

[@ThatC1official]

Ok

[@kingcassius2586]

For Fosse to block the plate, or for them to be playing extra innings?

[@PlayerToBeNamedLater1973]

The dumb decision was blocking the base path without the baseball. I can guarantee you'll never find a player who agrees that Rose was wrong here

[@edx21x]

then don’t block the plate

[@michaell874]

That’s a bunch of garbage. Ray Fosse wasn’t that good of a player even before that play. He was an average catcher and he remained that way for 9 years after that play.

[@efudd800]

This is garbage. It wasn't even close to his worst injury. He tore a ligament in 1971 while batting and crushed a disc in his back while trying to break up a clubhouse brawl between Reggie Jackson and Billy North in 1974. 1974 is where his career took the nose dive.

[@Alan-lv9rw]

Life is tough. Get over it.

[@lindalealphamale]

Tah nah cha, played some first base as well along with Joe Rud dah

[@65if2007]

The All-Star Game meant something in those days. So I wouldn't call it a meaningless play. The fans wanted their league to win and so did the players, managers and front office.

[@larrysherman4809]

I’m sick of hearing this ruined his career it simply did not

[@davedalton1273]

This is another good reason to NEVER admit Pete Rose to the Hall Of Fame.

[@badmaxx]

Let's hope that you're never a juror.

[@Richard-b2m9y]

Yes his career was changed by that play AND an organization at THAT TIME did not value the career of their players and ONLY sought immediate gratification. It was reported years later that instead of allowing Ray Fosse to heal the Cleveland management decided to play him regardless, and this was a team going ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE. If that had been Johnny Bench with the Reds fighting for playoff and Possible World Series do you believe for one minute Bench would have played after that collision? ALSO AT that time the AllStar game was ONLY about pride and bragging rights, there was ABSOLUTELY NOTHING on the line win or lose

[@ourinterestingtymes]

Isn't every game "meaningless?"

[@markkramer7068]

Come on people i played the game on an off till 48 in the small leagues the beatings adds up,i knew i was physically done an i didn't want to be a embarrassment by hanging on. I played a total of 16 years on an off till 48. I'm paying for it now at 68 I'm the surgeons money man.

[@JessyFinch]

Rose always played hard . Every play , regardless of the score . Never stand in front of an oncoming train .

[@RickNelson-ft6yt]

There are no meaningless plays in a game of baseball.

[@mabt4223]

never liked rose, seemed overly macho.🤪

[@donnieashley116]

Bullshit

[@markhousman8447]

I am so glad blocking the plate has been removed from the game. The home plate collisions from the past seem so crazy now.