The Mecca Mystery: Are Muslims Praying In The Wrong Direction? | Sacred City | Timeline

The Sacred City presents compelling evidence that suggests the holy city of Mecca is in the wrong location and that the worlds 1.6 billion Muslims are praying in the direction of the wrong city. Compiling evidence from both historic sources and new technologies point to the correct location in this seismic, revelatory new film.
In this startling and original documentary, writer and historian, Dan Gibson, shows that descriptions of Mohamed’s original holy city - as detailed in the Qur’an and Islamic histories, do not match that of the Mecca we know today. If true this could shake Islam to it’s roots, because every Muslim is required to pray towards the ‘forbidden gathering place’. If Dan Gibson is right, Muslims are praying in the wrong direction.
In the film ‘The Sacred City’ we set out his evidence from within Islamic and ancient histories - while also using modern technologies - to track down the biggest secret of the last fifteen hundred years. Gibson not only finds the location of the original Mecca but also provides a convincing argument as to how such a great misunderstanding in Islamic history came about.
While clearly controversial, The Sacred City is respectful of Islam’s prophet, and does not dispute the events of the Qur’an; but shows how a deliberate attempt was made to hide from Islam, secrets that impact every Muslim today. The evidence is compelling and fascinating.
In a time when the world agenda is being set by Islam, it is more important than ever for the origins and history of this world religion to be examined afresh. This is an important documentary with world-wide appeal for both religious and secular audiences.
Beautifully filmed in the ruins and deserts of the middle east, the film is a detective story that investigates the dawn of Islam and will become the most talked about film for years to come.
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[worfoz]

قلبٌ بريءٌ Why we can't find any Arabic letters in petra. do you know when these letters were invented!? when was arab writing invented?

[Brominder.🧔🏻]

There is a phenomena called CONTINENTAL DRIFT. Continental drift is the theory that the Earth's continents have moved over geologic time relative to each other, thus appearing to have "drifted" across the ocean bed.

[worfoz]

قلبٌ بريءٌ lol, why do you think that? Did Romans know youtube?

[worfoz]

@Brominder.🧔🏻 CONTINENTAL DRIFT Geological times are counted in million year periods, they can not explain why the pyramids are perfectly aligned while early mosques are not

[worfoz]

قلبٌ بريءٌ I know when you answer my question that's why I asked

[Testibg]

i'm muslim and this research is amazing ,for me the physical direction on one location is not important as long as all muslim have one spiritual direction.mecca in history several time being transfer due to flood and war and the direction maybe tilt in direction and we as muslim just follow the new qiblat direction.thanks for the research

[Mahdi M]

seems you solved the issue very rationally :)

[soyab Khan]

Yeah trueee. We should have pure heart ❤️ spiritually, rather than taking these all human made concept seriously, making no sense... 💯

[StreetProphet007]

But the quran isn't the same, you still believe Muhammed got it from the angel, even if he did, we don't have his copy... Jesus christ saves

[TheLegando42]

you are wrong, it's not just a direction for prayer, its literally a direction to know where the real masjid al haram is. attending hajj is obligatory

[nurelena]

Interesting hypothesis. I decided to look into it, and for anyone truly interested in credible/academic sources, I recommend David A. King´s review on the topic titled "Islamic Sacred Geography and finding the Qibla by the sun and stars: a survey of the historical sources (with an appendix on some recent fallacies concerning mosque orientation)". Btw, the "Petra theory" has not only been criticized by King but by other renowned historians as well.

[Scorpion Kiing]

Hey Nurelena I invite you to islam :)

[Scorpion Kiing]

@Jamie Kent First you need to open your eyes to see crores of mosques and 4 authentic sky books and quran is one of them which you get it easily all over the world, you don't need to hesitate to get it take some time learn it understand it and if u like then obey it thank you

[Tom Kunnel]

just because king has criticized it does not make it false. that would be an appeal to authority fallacy. btw, im not saying I agree with dan gibson. im just saying we shouldn't push it away because of an appeal to authority, who are infallible.

[annabelle smith]

This is interesting and thank you for videos and research. Been in Petra ❤ It was 2007 Petra was announced as one of the New Wonders of the World. Must - see destination for many travelers. Amazing rock - cut architecture.

[Vinod Thadhani]

They (the disbelievers, the Jews and the Christians) want to extinguish Allah's Light (with which Muhammad has been sent - Islamic Monotheism) with their mouths, but Allah will not allow except that His Light should be perfected even though the Kafirun (disbelievers) hate (it). (Soorah Tawbah 9:32)

[Ray S]

@Vinod Thadhani there were so many other writers at the time. It's sure that they would have changed things to adapt to the politics at the time. There's no strict interpretation which will point to what was actually written or done at the time

[Vinod Thadhani]

​@Ray S Good thinking Ray if we are talking only about writers of books. Macca is a live city, vibrant and Holy since Islam was established, so it is not in books alone but in real life and action of people movement in Macca. I hope you see my point. This is not real research, this is something else. Everything from the start I noticed the disfigurement in the narratives, it's so obvious. Nice talking to you Ray. Keep well and Keep Safe. May God guide you to the truth. Amen.

[Ray S]

@Vinod Thadhani good man

[Edward]

@Vinod Thadhani Both Jews and Christians believe in one God whose name is YHWH. We didn’t need Muhammed to tell us there is one God.

[elegance]

Amazing research, Allah is not confined by space, but when a person stands towards such a center, because of many reasons he is nearer to Allah and feels himself in Allah's proximity. The turning of the Muslims of the world towards this holy center five times a day creates the inspiration of oneness and unity and this creates the similarity between the Muslims of the world and connection between them who are spread from East to West and shows their magnanimity and greatness and after all represents to the world the purpose and faith of Islamic teachings.

[Jimmy The-Gent]

I wish they thought of themselves as a bit more similar and stopped killing eachother over which version of Islam is correct or not

[Jimmy The-Gent]

@Huma Javed No one is killing in the name of Christ. It has nothing to do with our war fighting decisions..

[Huma Javed]

@Jimmy The-Gent , that’s because no one stereotypes a religion like Christianity because people don’t care. When it comes to Islam, people of other religions go crazy. Russia’s war with Ukraine and it’s all CHRISTIANS. Therefore don’t stereotype any religion.

[Huma Javed]

No one kills in the name of Religion.

[Roshan Firouz]

Very very interesting, really well researched and detailed. It will take me a few days to take it all in. I am so very saddened to hear that Muslims burned so many books, we are so used to blaming the Christians for the burning of the library in Alexandria. Thank you for this amazing documentary

[TheAstronomer]

Look also into the work of Dr. al-Jallad on epigraphy (rock inscriptions). It sheds light on the origins of Arabic and the type of Arabic used in the Quran, which is northern Arabic. This agree well with Gibson's findings, as well as the geographical descriptions in the Quran, which are to places much further north than Mecca. Cheers!

[dio]

Well, you have certainly informed me of a lot of Islamic history. There is so much to mull over in this documentary, and you make a decent case, but I can't say if your theory is correct or not, as I am, as yet, ill-informed on the subject.

[dio]

Juan But then I shall fall from paradise.

[Whiteboyfromtheyard]

I totally understand that there is more to it. And we can never guarantee this would be true. Of course many people also don’t want it to be true since it puts dirt on one’s entire history of the religion. But the fact that this man dedicated his life to this research because he simply fell in love with Islam and Arab country’s. I highly respect that! It’s amazing! Eye opening theory. And I’m not choosing sides I am just really open minded and love all cultures and countries

[T]

@Omer عمر why mad when he’s trying to prove it? Everyone just assume to believe what is taught but never assume what if the teaching is wrong until proven.

[Omer عمر]

@T what if I was wrong? Good question. I researched and read many sources about it and I proved he was wrong by putting all these questions for him. I'm not insane to believe whatever someone says, I'm not blind like anyone heard him and believed him without researching or rational thinking. Are you one of those? If you think he's true, then answer my questions on my first comment

[Black Tulip]

@Omer عمر with that English I dont think you're to call someone stupid or blind

[Omer عمر]

@Black Tulip yes, judging me by my 3rd language

[#Aaru and Zui Videos]

The confusion here stems from the way Arabic text is written in English. The word "Haram" in Majid-a-Haram is a different Arabic word (that is spelled differently in Arabic) than the word meaning forbidden: Haram. This word means sanctuary or holy shrine. For example Mecca and Madina are commonly referred to as the "Harameen Sharifine" meaning the two holy shrines. These two words are also pronounced differently. The word forbidden is pronounced with a more extended second "a" (Haraam), while the word for shrine is a quick two syllables (ha-ram)

[Sarfaraz Shaikh]

Well said bro

[Ashiq B]

Thanks for the explanation. This helps in getting better clarification.

[ALhassan Ait]

Its actualy forbidden to NON-muslims !

[PSR 04]

The Human Experience The Truth is rarely pure and never simple.

[West Westwoodly]

Quite enlightening about the history of the middle east civilisation and their belief and the desert landscape. Very educational. One thing I've learnt : The ME civilisation has been fighting since historical time. So fighting existing today among the ME countries with different tribes or people shouldn't be a surprise. They have been fighting since historical time, and may continue to fight till eternity. The main reason they are fighting may not be religious, but more of tribal or cultural differences. Another thing learnt is that people who believe in a religion are followers. They don't question critically or out of reverence. They just follow whoever is preacher of the day ("reformists"), or,. adhere to their belief of ancient days which they believe to be more authentic (fundamentalists). Hence science poses a challenge to their belief - because they don't analyse their own belief critically, but just follow. So Muslims will fight against people of other faiths as well as people who also share the same faith..

[Safwan El Abbassy]

them, they their :)

[emque]

The terms "masjidilharam" can't be interpreted literally as "forbidden place of gathering". It's too simplistic and not accurate. There are historical context for every sentence in Quran which must be taken into consideration. Muslim call this field as tafsir. Even in Islam there not many scholar who has the capacity in tafsir of Quran. There many things you must check to give the most accurate explaination for every word and sentence in Quran. You can't interpret Quran by only using archeology.

[A Ca]

There are several other mosques that don’t face Mecca, but researchers thought builders made errors. This documentary explains it greatly.

[Kill_Em_Dafoe]

Yeah, it would be an easy detail to miss for most of us laypeople that it’s actually pretty laughable to think ancient Arabs would have misjudged mathematical measurements using stellar reference points!

[ItsaMoe]

some perfect errors , wouldn't u agree ?

[Geoffrey K]

Talking about worshipping IDOLS, yup...this is it

[Geoffrey K]

Why would anyone face this building and pray? First of where did the black stones inside the building come from. Muhammad's ancestors used black stones to worship pagan gods. This is more like worshipping IDOLS.

[Faisal Bayabao]

Those ancient mosques was built at the era where 99% accurate compass are not yet invented

[TenBroeck]

What truly matters is what is in their souls/heart

[Squall Leonheart]

I came here to write this but subhanaAllah someone else had the same thought as mine . I wanna add another thing.. Qibla is nothing but a unity direction of the ummah.. lets say we were able to colonize Mars.. where will the qibla be? The ummah can agree to any place, let's say where we had landed on the Mars for the first time.. that will our Qibla..

[Alpha Bro]

@Squall Leonheart this guy in the video is just lying, bro. So where is taif in petra when prophet muhammad PBUH went to give dawah to the people there? dont let this guy delude you

[Hrishikesh Bandari]

The excitement of the presenter as he describes his finding after years of research is seriously contagious

[Gala]

@Dr. Ali WD Why there is no ruins of ancient city on the place of modern Mecca as well as why there is no evidence of agriculture?

[TheRockStandard]

@Gala ikr

[crazycutz]

Both was made up

[SSR SSR]

An important fact is that the Muslims conquered Mecca in the life of the prophet Muhammad (SA). Before that the Muslims had visited Mecca once to try to perform Pilgrimage which was denied by Abu-Sufyan etc. In three of the descriptions of the Prophets migration to Medina, the first visit for pilgrimage and the conquest of Mecca, the traimvel narrations do not point towards such a large distance (from Madina to Petra). Also, Muslims, starting from the life of the Prophet, annually visited Mecca and people repeated this pilgrimage several times for years. So it is not possible that the location of Mecca can change.

[brian glisson]

First off Petra was not Mecca this guy Gibson is in total error guessing. He is guessing because he knows that modern day Mecca is not ancient Mecca. So he trying to guess at an important place that it could be. But he is wrong. He is right that modern Mecca and ancient Mecca are not the same place. The descriptions do not fit modern Mecca. Modern Jerusalem also is not ancient Jerusalem and they have not found any of the biblical stone cities. These place dont just disappear. And its not that they disappeared, they were never there, but some where else. These cities were hidden including the ancient biblical cites and Mecca. When you read the book When Rocks Cry Out by Horace Butler you will see where these stones cities still stand in the americas! Yes, it sounds impossible but the proof is having the stone cities! If you cant find the ancient stone cities and historical monuments like the Kaaba then you don't have the ancient geographic locations of these places.

[O4TW]

@brian glisson well said.

[Kill_Em_Dafoe]

@brian glisson You’re saying that precolumbian ruins in the Americans are actually biblical locations? How high are you dude?

[brian glisson]

@Kill_Em_Dafoe Thats Horace Butler's research that he found and wrote about, in HIS book 'When Rocks Cry Out' not mine. Read that book first then you can talk about it. Right now you have NO idea and dont have the knowledge to even argue against or for it! You dont know that Adam is not the first man in existence but the first of the creation of the Egyptian Empire after he gathered and combined the scattered groups/tribes to defeat his own real fathers empire. You also have no idea that Cain and Abel are the other names for Khonsu and Bel(Ausar) and that they are the sons of Amen their father who is 'Ed'Amen, "ADAM" You dont know that when the biblical records states that Jerusalem was in a high Mountain surrounded about. that those hills over their in todays so called Jerusalem are not it. So yes, modern ancient egypt that was built after they left and fled the Americas, on its walls and records are talking about their dawn and beginnings in South America where Amens temple was in the high mountains of Peru.

[Jules Verne]

The fact is no one wants to admit they could be wrong about something even less when it's something that's been in practice for a very long time. Even if you could prove it without a doubt it would take decades to change anything.

[nuren islam]

It's not been changed because all of his arguments have been refuted and answered.

[Yu u]

The fact is someone wants to make someone wrong just because she wants to see them fail deep inside. 😁 U guys don't even read your own bible, and why are you guys suddenly so worried about the right direction of prayer for muslims? 😅

[Gary Milne]

@Yu u i have read the bible and the quran ...... thats why i am an atheist, of course when one of the many gods can be demonstrated to actually exist, then i will believe.

[Gary Milne]

The Human Experience studying is what lead me to the rejection of all gods. but tell me how did you rule out all the other gods as fake, and your god as the one true god. no one has ever answered this question because in reality, what ever method you use to rule out the other gods , rules out yours also.

[Ras Jumaide]

Always remember this "it is not the eyes that are blind but the heart".

[Demitri Jones]

Please elaborate

[AhMaD_HeRE]

@Demitri Jones the eyes see how right the Muslims and Islam is, But the hearts don’t give in…

[eXCeLSior]

It usually starts from the eyes and then descends to the heart. It is not possible for the heart to be blind if the eyes can see.

[Thesortvokter]

And to think....all muslims bow in the WRONG direction... 😭😭😭

[balqees bhatti]

Although I accept all the evidence, I still have questions. What will happen to the well of Zamzam if Abbasia turns the holy city of Petra into Mecca? How would it be possible to remove the well from Petra and bring it to Mecca?

[Hayro Haryo]

agreed balqis

[Finance SunnyPalmsresort]

Also maqaam inbrahim

[Neo King Arthur]

I think further research might need to be made about the Zamzam well. But my theory is that the Zamzam well would just have always be there and formed naturally. And that the story about Hajar and Ishmael about the well might be just that, stories to justify the existence of the well in an arid area that's seemingly in the middle of nowhere. And the Maqaam Ibrahim, it's a stone that has an imprint of where the prophet stood when he built the Kaaba. If theories about the stone to be the related with the Black Stone that's descended from heaven is correct. Then I think that it might be coming from the same meteorite where the Black Stone comes from. Which matches the description that it's a stone that comes from heaven which can be interpreted as fallen from the sky, in other words, a meteor. Which then we can admit that the stone is definitely not of earth origin. But this is just my baseless theory, and I think further research needs to be made about it. I am a muslim, but I don't practice my religion through blind faith. I approach my religion through scientific views and always make sense of things using common sense and with historical socio-cultural contexts.

[Siapa Saya]

@Neo King Arthur this kind of confussion about the kiblah already predicted and answered in the Quran. This make me realize how amazing The Quran is. So regretful that i am not a perfect moslem, yet. Sorry bad english. 😂😂

[Mikey Lejan]

Even though that I am a Christian, knowing different religions is good.

[Anna Andrea]

It is quite funny that you feel the need to make this observation.

[Abdulsattar Cassim]

The historical account may be revealing and is in no doubt compelling on the basis of the narrative. In my view as a Muslim l continue to pray in the direction as l have for years accepted. I do believe that my intention governs my actions and l sincerely accept that my prayers made sincerely will be accepted. Allah swa knows best and I believe that all my actions are judged by my intentions.

[The Guidance Counsellor]

Why don't you check out the rebuttal to this documentary on my channel. Feel free to watch it if you wish to get the other side of the story. Then you can fairly critique.

[Abdulsattar Cassim]

..

[Abdulsattar Cassim]

@The Guidance Counsellor u

[MarouaneBad]

Let me start by the end of the video to give an answer to Timeline’s question why no scholar give damn about answering the theory depicted in the video: no need for a Muslim scholar to debunk it. It’s too wild theory to be taken seriously by a Muslim scholar. Do you need a history scholar to debunk a theory of moving Jerusalem from a place to another without leaving a several traces in nations history records? Such an event will be stored in the countries records for which this city (Mekka or Jerusalem) matters, whether from the communities for which these cities are holy or from their enemies or from their allies. Don’t you find it more than obvious? - “Makka was not mentioned before in history till the 6 or 7th century” quote like this one is just outrageous et non-sense : Mekka was known as Mekoba by the ancient Greek at least from the time of Ptolemy in the 2nd Century. - Makka is known in the history of Arabs as city within an entourage where each place got a name till now (mountains, caves Hiraa’e, cave of Thawr, Safaa, Marwa, roads, entries, ...). All these names are the same from ancient arab poetry to the written record of islamic history to the popular knowledge of people inhabiting Makk, the Hijaz region and the Arabic peninsula. Changing from Petra to Makka is not that easy. Moreover, this would have been a historical event which can be compared in terms of importance to the first revelation of Quran to the Prophet. It’s too holy to be changed like this without tough reaction from Muslims from all around the world. Remember the size of the Arabs empire at this time. No county was able to record such profanation. - Moroccan Mosques that were built more than 20 years ago give a prayer direction with a small angle of error like the ones shown in the documentary. All the new mosques with the arrival of the adoption and democratization of Mekka-direction compass, are directed toward Mekka with much more precision. It’s the same in other countries I travelled too. So it’s not a new discovery. Ask any muslim about this and they’ll confirm you that. - Did any historian talk about the Abyssinian invasion of Petra to destroy the Ka’ba? Never ever. For 2 reasons, there was no Ka’ba in Petra. Secondo, The Abyssinian invasion of the Arabic peninsula in the mid of the 6th century AD was targeting Mekka to destroy the holy city of Arabs and force them to adopt the Christian religion (a major church was built by Abyssinian in Yemen meant to replace the holiness of Ka’ba). This historical event is very known by the Arabs who were questioned in Quran about the intervention of God to safeguard the holy city of Mekka (to tell them that the God sending revelation to Muhammed is the same God of the Holy city, the same God of Abraham…). - The destruction of Quran copies by Othman : the guy tells what suits his theory but let me tell you what he omits: After the death of the Prophet, the 1st Calif Abu Bakr decided to compile the Quran in the order learnt by the Companions from the Prophet. With Omar, the future 2nd Calif, they assigned the mission to a Companion known for his mastering of the Quran in the life of the Prophet (and he was not alone, thousands of those who lived and supported the Prophet knows at least good parts of it by heart). The methodology was strict: they gathered first from the Revelation copyists the supports and materials on which they wrote the verses from the Prophet mouth, then they gathered the best companions who had learnt the Quran by heart and double check what they can recite with what is written in the support and cross-checked the recitations and the quran written supports. The revelation Copyists were Prophet companions in charge of writing down what was revealed to the Prophet each time it happened, they were called together by the Prophet to record it, each-one should write it down on any support he was able to afford - leather, wood, flat rock…Then these materials were stored in the houses of theses Copyists (blockchain principle : to have several distributed copies). We should underline here that the order of verses was taught by the Prophet to the Companions and Quran was given the utmost importance to be learnt by heart with the recitation rules taught by the Prophet. At the end of this process, Abu Bakr and Omar made a complete Quran checked and approved by the closest Companions to the Prophet, this Quran was considered as the Reference and was stored in the house of Hafsa one of the wives of the Prophet (daughter of the 2nd Calif Omar). It’s been stored till Othman the 3rd Calif would need it and then comes what he narrated. Othman did the best solution to make all the Quran copies used by the countries of the large Islamic empire identical to the one stored in the Medina as the Reference : he destroyed the old copies gathered from countries and gave them copies from the Reference. Is there any other solution better than this one to preserve the integrity of the Quran copies? The guy in the video tries through omissions to shade doubts on the Quran authenticity. But why doesn’t he tell the whole story? The Quran is the only religious book known by heart by tens of millions of people on earth since 14th centuries no other book got this preservation control from tampering. I my self know the third of the Quran (20+ Hizb). The Birmingham Quran manuscript, the oldest Quran pages found ever, dated to almost the time of the Prophet proved 100% that the Quran was not tampered : 0 difference between this manuscript and the Quran copies I have home. - He said that grapes were fruit not common in Mekka but common in Petra : don’t he know that Taif which is 40 miles from Mekka provide such fruit to the holy city? That some wealthy from Mekka at the time of the Prophet got agricultural lands there. There’s in Bukhari book (that he used a lot to choose what to tell to defend his theory) a story about the Prophet going there to ask for the support of Taif’s population leaders, they refused and chased him with stones till his legs got bloody. He hid in a garden where a slave brought him a bunch of grapes the very fruit that the guy used as proof it does not exist in Mekka. Moreover, thanks to its flourishing trade Mekka was wealthy and God in Quran remind the non-believers of Mekka in a chapter of Quran of that gift He bestowed on them. Moreover, “A city in a valley without plantations or agriculture” this is the description of Mekka by Abraham in a verse of the Quran narrating the story of him leaving his 2nd wife and her baby Ishmael in this Valley on the order of God/ALLAH. You can read in the Old Testament that God promised Abraham to make from this baby descendants a great nation. This nation, Arabs, knows the greatness once: thanks to Mohammed the Prophet and the Quran. Big Empire, one of the biggest, big civilization, proof for Atheists of God intervention in Human history. I would cite more proves than that, I tried to be as much concise as I can. I think it should be enough for the purpose of answering the last Timeline’s request of Muslim scholars to use their right to answer. Let them focus on other important subjects 😉

[Mar1 العبد]

Thanks for your well informed corrections , unfortunately your response is not getting it’s dues, nevertheless as Allah states in the Quran , “majority of them don’t know” and “majority of them don’t believe” , Being in the majority usually not a good sign. Keep educating!

[Abdul Temari]

Appreciate Mr. Gibson’s efforts and persistence and have few thoughts to mention Becca is the old name of Mecca as found so in the hieroglyph writings. the name has nothing to do with weeping (weeping source in Arabic is pronounced “baka’) while the exact pronunciation of the Sacred Haram is “Bakkat” and “Makkat”. Also the valley of Bacca in the Holy Book, sounds in the region’s tongue with double “CH” as in German and not the sound of double “K”. (according to the Coptic church) The maps drawn at that time are much different than recent ones and Mr. Gibson is speaking of accuracies possible by Google Earth only, so how could these mosques be directed to Petra this way? Yet, I’ve seen a mosque built during the 90’s in Amman/ Jordan with a niche shift of maybe 30 degrees from Mecca and it was set by government Municipal surveying department. in Quran Ibrahim (Abraham) prayed to god; “Our Lord! I have settled some of my offspring in a barren valley, near Your Sacred House, our Lord, so that they may establish prayer….”(Surat Ibrahim 37). That proves that Mecca (Becca at that time) had no plantation as mentioned by Mr. Gibson, but ii proves that The Haram is described as “barren” as in Mecca region and contrary to Petra Kaaba burning and rebuilt and the Kalifate death events were after 680 AD (64H) not at 670AD this way, there is no reason to doubt that Al-Tabari had said something that was omitted regarding that year (similarly nothing was mentioned by all other historian books). The composer of this work is invited to check the above:

[dinesh pratap upadhyay]

What about the other evidences?

[Cyril Larweh]

@dinesh pratap upadhyay Like the direction of Qiblas of older mosques. Like the mountains Maruah and safa

[Cyril Larweh]

So the pointing of ***all*** 11 most early mosques to Petra before the Abbasids was coincidental or accidental?? Bruhhhhhh

[Poyo Listra]

So which islamic are you???

[Douglas Fox]

Always good to learn another viewpoint of human history...thank you Mr Gibson

[Mohamed Salleh Wari]

You are ignorant of islamic history so you agree with Dan Gibson theory. In the early years of islamic history some of Muhamed's followers migrated to Ethopia which was across the Red Sea near present day Mecca because of persecution by Meccan. This cannot fit the Geography of Petra because Ethopia was thousand of kilometres south-west of Petra and the journey was torturous. So clearly Muhamed could not be from Petra.

[Douglas Fox]

@Mohamed Salleh Wari you are not good at reading English..let alone understand it..😂😂😂

[Douglas Fox]

Anyone who believes in something they cannot see and always makes excuses for it....is someone living ( out of their mind ).. and every form of religious dogma has proven this in human history..1000%

[QUASO]

you choose to (believe) in youtube theory by the way history doesn't care about people believe you can see record of enemies of profit Mohamed صلى الله عليه وسلم but you just [believe theory on KZbin] Islam isn't blind faith there evidences for each event. this guy just wake up and mad theory with no evidence

[D7]

😂😂😂😂

[Kicking Horse]

Really well done. I'm impressed by the level of professionalism and academic rigor offered by this video, and was fascinated from beginning to end. Having said, without knowing the Muslim point of view on the issue, I am aware the Jesus said "the kingdom of heaven is within." I imagine that most spiritual people, no matter their spiritual tradition, find internal solace as they pray. And, that doing so translates into external peace.

[Kaan Korkmaz]

Quran 2:158 Indeed, as-Safa and al-Marwah are among the symbols of Allah. So whoever makes Hajj to the House or performs 'umrah - there is no blame upon him for walking between them. And whoever volunteers good - then indeed, Allah is appreciative and Knowing.

[Geoffrey K]

I don't understand why people can take Quran seriously... Maybe out of curiosity. The Quran was written in a way that it was out of order unlike the Bible. I mean ...it was not written in a chronological order...there was no order.....it was a bunch of Arabic documents put together and with Muhammad's beliefs...

[Kaan Korkmaz]

@Geoffrey K LOL BIBLE AND ORDER 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[Geoffrey K]

@Kaan KorkmazThe Holy Bible was written in a well mannered order. Quran wasn't. Look at them both.

[Kaan Korkmaz]

@Geoffrey K DID JESUS CURSE THE FIG TREE BEFORE OR AFTER DIRIVING THE MERCHANTS FROM THE TEMPLE A-)AFTER : MATTHEW 21:12-19 B-)BEFORE : MARK 11:12-17 😂😂BIBLE AND ORDER 😂😂😂😂

[Sameel]

This is an amazing documentary and Mr Dan has done some extensive research. What my question to Mr Dan is about the zamzam well. If Masjid AlHaraam is in Petra then where is the zamzam well?

[Huma Javed]

It’s in Mecca where Kaaba is.

[Huma Javed]

Masjid Al-Haram is not in Petra.

[TheLegando42]

Bro, There is a water passage in petra where the Zamzam would flow, this water still appears in petra even today but it's rare!

[Huma Javed]

@TheLegando42 , I will repeat again. Zamzam water’s location in Al-Haram. Whatever is in Jordan it’s not zamzam. You can’t just call any water zamzam…

[TheLegando42]

​@Huma Javed Zamzam means flowing water, not a well.

[Mor Boura]

As a history enthousiast i find this documentary very interessting especially as they say we do not know much about the region and the history. I think they should be more researchers from different fields to give us their views and analysis. My opinion ? ***like all archelogic studies all remain theories and assumption ***the twelve degree difference is normal, they were not accurate that day, the right approach is to use the old method to calculate the direction ***I know that Bagdad and Alexendria library were burnt, many knoweldge were destroyed and many historian think that was a turning point in history ***Why they dont talk about the surrounding kingdoms (Ethiopia, Yemen, Persian, Roman)

[Mustaine]

Jika segala sesuatu yang berkaitan dengan ajaran dan nilai suatu agama harus dilogikan atau harus berdasar bukti ilmu pengetahuan modern dan bla bla bla... Bubar semua agama

[Dylan Dempsey]

@Mustaine including atheism?

[Agnes Mina]

@Dylan Dempsey atheism is not a religion 🤦‍♀️ Atheism Plus is, atheism in general no

[Dylan Dempsey]

@Agnes Mina What is the difference?

[Sn31t]

I find it interesting that they could change the direction where they are praying too. Yes basically you get heared when you are praying, but when its an "holy place" shouldnt it be there for ever? For me this feels like changing your roots. Its lying to the thing you believe in when you dont worship the place it started from. Its gets forgotten and then you loose the value it gave to people.

[samina kaukab]

Ehh. We never changed directions. Explain zam zam well, city of medina. Etc mecca is filled with homes and graves and mosques of the prophet's time.

[salamandra]

it's also an inintentinal sin to pray in the wrong way, same thing in christianity

[mshtysf]

this is what happens when you dont understand arabic yet you judge like he expert you are not

[Alfina Nurillah]

Interesting. Many will believe Dan's Theory. One thing that got me the most is about "hira cave". just like Dan's said. The cave is the place for seeking revelation. it must not be some kind of empty cave with nothing in there. it must be a cave where many people go there to seek for self-revelation. And so the idea of the "original hira cave" found in petra served it best. it looks like a kind of place where someone will go for prayer and to seek for the true meaning of life.

[Mohamed Salleh Wari]

Prof Michael Lecker and Prof David A King did not concur with Dan Gibson's Petra. Ref Michael Lecker, “Review of: Dan Gibson, The Qur’anic Geography”, Journal of Semitic Studies, 59 (2014), 465-467 [DOI link] - critical review of Dan Gibson, Qur’ānic Geography: A Survey and Evaluation of the Geographical References in the Qur’ān with Suggested Solutions for Various Problems and Issues (Surry [BC]: Independent Scholars Press, 2011). David A. King, “From Petra back to Makka - From “Pibla” back to Qibla” [Muslim Heritage link] - critical review of Dan Gibson, Early Islamic Qiblas: A Survey of Mosques built between 1 AH/622 C.E. and 263 AH/876 C.E. (Vancouver [BC]: Independent Scholars Press, 2017).

[Mohamed Salleh Wari]

You are ignorant of islamic history so you agree with Dan Gibson theory. In the early years of islamic history some of Muhamed's followers migrated to Ethopia which was across the Red Sea near present day Mecca because of persecution by Meccan. This cannot fit the Geography of Petra because Ethopia was thousand of kilometres south-west of Petra and the journey was torturous. So clearly Muhamed could nott be from Petra.

[ckdelta]

astaghfurullah ...

[shariff nine feathers bey]

@Mohamed Salleh Wari Look at early maps of the African continent. About 40% of the whole continent was called Ethiopia at One time. It is not the same as Ethiopia the corporation country today

[Myrdana]

being sceptical is always good, i barely know anything about the history of the area but i highly doubt the ancient arabs were able to pricicely pinpoint to the location over such long distances though undoubtably possible being off by a only a few degrees in the angle could lead to beign off by hundreds of kilometers for your theory.

[Bockee]

I'm not muslim but I'm so stunned with this guy's work in finding the historical truth especially when he went to all early mosques to check their qiblat directions. I dropped my jaw again when he found the mosques in north africa and spain facing directions parallel to Petra and Mecca line. Amazing discovery.

[B lorac]

Interesting but...

[Risk DIZ]

@B lorac of If E your week AA

[TheAstronomer]

His work is very interesting. I recommend reading his book "Quranic Geography". What he says is not that new though as it is supported by other evidence and a long time ago scholars started to notice for example that the linguistics and geography of the Quran does not agree with the Mecca region. If you're interested in the history, two excellent books are Early Islam by Ohlig and The Hidden Origins of Islam by Ohlig & Puin. They contain many fascinating works within!

[Davy the rave]

@B lorac There is always a but when the answer you get is not what you think or told. the evidence is strong he is right like all holy books there is always changes to suit the leader of the time in the early years maybe in today's world specifically over the last twenty plus years.

[ClassicalSinging]

Thank you for doing a "scientific research" on the fastest growing religion on earth. Many muslims, if not all of them, would agree with me that it doesn't really matter whether Muhammad was born in Mekkah or in New York, or whether the current location of Mekkah is different from the ancient one or not. Actually, muslims know that the ancient Kaabah was larger in surface than the current one, yet millions and millions of muslims come to visit this holy place every year.

[G]

I grew up catholic but I always wonder about other beliefs and how they came about. So many stories to hear

[my Channel]

Well, Quran has a lot of interesting stories about Christianity. Perhaps it will change your religious perspectives totally

[FiFi]

same i learnt so much i didnt know about Christianity but i understood i have to be careful where im getting my info from

[eustacia82]

Especially when money is involved

[Warentester]

Have you ever wondered how your belief came about? Richard Carrier has some very interesting explanations.

[Donald Vincent]

The biggest problem with this claim is that the presenter conflates several different events that happened in different caliphates and periods as if they were contemporary. Ulthman was the third Rashidun Caliph and the rebellion of Ibn Zubayah wasn't until much later until long after the alleged burning of the library of Alexandria which likely didn't exist by that time. Also the Umayyad mosques in Spain make sense if you transport them to Damascus and then they point towards Mecca.

[Easyork]

Why would you transport the Mosques in Spain, they speak for themselves at their original site and orientation

[Donald Vincent]

@Easyork the ruler who built the mosque did so to remind himself of Damascus.

[Donald Vincent]

Suprith Kp other historians already have

[Adil Shah]

they just ignored all the hadith about the discription of the cities

[anubis44]

Well, I think the most important point made in this entire video is that the geographical area currently comprising Mecca doesn't even remotely possess the characteristics described in the Koran as those of Mecca: fertile, arable land for growning lots of crops, an abundant water supply, and a sizeable population. And it's not just that contemporary Mecca doesn't currently have these characteristics, it's that the proof is beyond any possible debate that it absolutely couldn't have had these characteristics 1,400 years ago, either. Contemporary Mecca is an utterly barren place with no evidence it ever had any fertile soil or water sources anywhere in its vicinity, and absolutley no evidence whatsoever of a significant population at the time of Muhammad. This right here is pretty much an insurmounable problem with the contemporary understanding of where the 'Mecca' of the Koran really is.

[MMafieMc]

I found this fascinating. I am no expert other than casual interest. This man appears to have a great deal of spirituality. Is this a Coincidence? I find it fascinating that at the Documented birthplace of the prophet there was no murders or violence yet there are public execution at the Mecca of 2022

[Ariyan Wijaya]

No problem whether the original praying direction jerussalem or petra. The prophet had changed the direction to mecca. So mecca is the valid current direction.

[HRV800]

@Ariyan Wijaya 🤣

[Dr. G Aljohari]

@Ariyan Wijaya Petra has nothing to do with Islam, it was the location of an earlier group of people. The first Qibla was BaitulMaqdis (Almasjid Al Aqsa) .... It is a new roomer coming out of some antagonists to Islam.

[Scott Hanson]

Thank you for this very well documented exploration.

[Avdullahi Ahmed]

Although the holy Qur’an has got a very highly esteemed position, yet it is always available for all and everybody can have access to it. At the same time, it is written in a book format and is readable by all, ‘the Qur’an’.

[Martin]

Did u said readable to all???😅😅.. even with bunches of mystical Hadith Quran remain the most complex and contradictory stories

[Vik Stankus]

Fascinating , it shows that misconceptions lead to misunderstanding, that it is vital to do research to know what actually is the case.

[Trevor Taylor]

Inside Petra there is multiple rooms where there are post holes for wooden beam's that were inserted into the walls, I used to do construction. I suggest looking for some remenence of wood in those post holes and carbon date them. It will give you a date of when the tree was felled giving you better idea of time of use of the area and type of tree.

[Trevor Taylor]

@arshia rahimi lol..ignore facts and evidence..You can't just make up what you want to fit into history.

[arshia rahimi]

@Trevor Taylor it's not what I make up, it's even in all books of sunni(Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 603) ,Quran says that prophet Ibrahim destroyed all idolls for god... after prophet did that came Quran verse:say the truth has come and falsehood has gone,verily falsehood is bound to vanish. About facts he made most of them aren't even reasons and I have written about them in comment section

[Trevor Taylor]

@arshia rahimi Books mean nothing fella, The archeology tells a different story. That's a fact and science. Hey man not disregarding your religion or anything just like mine of Christianity is flawed by the people telling the story all over the world for centuries as it gets filtered to us. All religions are peaceful that I can say for sure, only man has found a way to manipulate it to there benefit for bad.

[Alana Adams]

Good point

[Randalmcdaniel]

thanks to this video i prayed in the right direction and i can really feel the difference my prayers are 37% more potent

[Yudi Muchanis]

🤣🤣🤣

[Carpe cervisiam]

I have always faced McDonalds when I prayed & have now been blessed with type 2 diabetes

[FilmsByThatGuy]

Haa

[Jay W.]

@Carpe cervisiam LMFAOOOO WTF

[Feelgo]

dang

[The Unplanned Life]

I like this historian. The voice is clear and easy to listen to, he looks very credible. And his points are well-presented, with evidence. I’m now a new fan.

[VEG8-A]

naaah, not good evidence. but yes, his english , and voice , those are very soothing

[the]

You think it's true 😂 every one minute is fakes

[Mohamed Salleh Wari]

You are ignorant of islamic history so you agree with Dan Gibson theory. In the early years of islamic history some of Muhamed's followers migrated to Ethopia which was across the Red Sea near present day Mecca because of persecution by Meccan. This cannot fit the Geography of Petra because Ethopia was thousand of kilometres south-west of Petra and the journey was torturous. So clearly Muhamed could not be from Petra.

[Winston Grettum]

@Mohamed Salleh Wari how could a trip to Ethiopia be easier than Petra. Get a map

[Mohamed Salleh Wari]

@Winston Grettum You definitely are not student of geography.

[VeditaNita Simonsen]

Thank you, this goes for most history and people system -- people change history --

[Karen Hughes]

It doesn’t matter which way you face or where you are when you pray….simply praying is the important part🤷🏻‍♀️

[Vinod Thadhani]

They (the disbelievers, the Jews and the Christians) want to extinguish Allah's Light (with which Muhammad has been sent - Islamic Monotheism) with their mouths, but Allah will not allow except that His Light should be perfected even though the Kafirun (disbelievers) hate (it). (Soorah Tawbah 9:32)

[Mary Blanc]

@Vinod Thadhani Wow! Out of the entire video that’s the message you take, unbelievably. Don’t be naive there’s a lot more out there that you don’t know about.

[Farooq Khan]

Does the direction really matter? It is the fundamentals of the religion and its teachings which really matter. Muslims believe in ONE God named and recognized as ALLAH. Direction is just to pray as a community. Does not change anything.

[Khalid Baig]

This is such an impresive and important research work which blinks so many questions in mind, here i'd like to suggest that this research should also upload in proper word to word translation in different languages like Urdu, Hindi Arabic etc, just to access more people and easy to understand for milloins of people.

[Ashraf Noorwala]

Khalid Baig you are the type of people who have no mind of their own and are easily led by the nose by anyone.

[Khalid Baig]

@Ashraf Noorwala yes indeed

[Shahid Chauhan]

There is also a two qibla mosque in Gujarat, India... named "Barwada Mosque" in Ghogha on the Gulf of Khambhat. At the Barwada mosque in Ghogha, the qibla, indicated by the position of the mehrab is towards Jerusalem, an angle nearly 20 degrees north of the qibla towards Mecca. this reflects that this mosque of Gujarat must have been build before the prophet's declaration of changing the Qibla. its also reflects that merchant and traders from Arabian peninsula came to India for the trade from the time of prophet Muhammad(PBUH), from the time of early era of Islam. & the mosque in Ghogha may be older than many of Arabia's ancient mosques. none of the mosques in Medina are in their original shape.

[rebecca fiona Cornel]

hmmm....interesting...

[Siddharth Srivastava]

. . . @rebecca fiona Cornel

[Siddharth Srivastava]

@rebecca fiona Cornel .

[Arun Kumar]

Gud ..garlic

[Ricardo Afonso]

. Which year was the mosque built ? .

[NatureShortReels]

The real question is does this make you believe in your religion more or does it make you weaker. Different ideas criticism or mistake should be part of a healthy progress. No need to be offended or regardless of where it’s location the message is more important than the physical place.

[Chihuahua Angels]

So right! 👍🙏

[Chihuahua Angels]

@MostafaWasat You pined that ! 👍😉

[Mohamed Nasser]

Islam put so much importance in Physical rituals and worship. There are the “correct” way to pray, the “true” fasting, the “real” name of God etc.

[Mohamed Nasser]

@MostafaWasat try doing prayer in a wrong kiblat and without doing wudhu, i think nobody will believe that you are a muslim if you do it that way…

[Mohamed Nasser]

@MostafaWasat I do agree with you but if we go by that logic it means there is no need for religion and rituals anymore. All we need is Faith in God and do Good…

[Joby Mani]

Cheraman Juma Mosque The Cheramaan Juma Mosque (Malayalam: ചേരമാൻ ജുമാ മസ്ജിദ്‌) (Arabic: مسجد الرئيس جمعة) is a mosque in Methala, Kodungallur, Thrissur in the Indian state of Kerala. A legend claims that it was built in 629 CE, which makes it the oldest mosque in the Indian subcontinent which is still in use.

[Friendly Atheist]

same goes with Christianity it came to India before Europe

[jaba killer]

Its fake story There was no kingdom of kerela in 628

[Abdulh Albu]

اعظم معجزة في كل العصور(القرآن الكريم) ‏kzbin.info/www/bejne/imqlZGutZd-lick الكعبة المشرفة - لماذا الدعاء نحو الكعبة المشرفة؟ ‏kzbin.info/www/bejne/jpy8nKZ_maZmfLM قصة ابراهيم عليه الصلاة والسلام ‏kzbin.info/www/bejne/nJjcap13nciHl8U

[Josh Flanders]

What a time to be alive

[rama rao cheepi]

It's a most sacred city and sanctity of it is pride and is heartily appreciated

[Raymond Bjelvin]

What makes it sacred?? All the wars, hate and killing over the years?

[jalalkhan jalalkhan]

When Abraham took his wife Hagar and Ismail to Makkah and left them there the place was barren and had no water. But after Hagar started running between Safa and Marwa eventually Gabriel came and hit the earth and the water of Zam Zam gushed out. The early caravans bypassed Makkah but at one time when they saw birds flying towards the firection of Makkah they realized that there must be water 💧 and that's how they followed that path and came across a woman and a child all alone in the valley and that's when they came to know there was water. Eventually Makkah became a stop for caravans to fetch for water and watered their animals and the tribe of Jurham came to live there. That's how Makkah became a popular stop for caravans to stop for water. If Muslims are facing wrong direction for prayers are implying that Allah misled his noble Prophet Abraham to build His house in the wrong place? Please think as Prophets cannot make errors.

[Tamara_Diamonds]

I have to disagree with you. I have read my bible more than once. I won’t say much. Cause it would lead into an argument.

[Alvaro Garcia]

I'm not even Muslim and I watched this in it's entirety. Amazing research and info!

[Mazkebar]

U want a 🥇?

[Sheila Nixon]

The crescent moon and the black stone the Muslims walk round at Mecca are from the pre Muslim religion, when the people of Arabia and Iraq worshipped the moon. These symbols were absorbed into Islam.Mohammed travelled with his uncle around Arabia and Across into Egypt. He picked up Jewish and Christian teaching when he visited Synagogues and churches, but neither the Jews nor the Christians would let him convert to their religion, from worshipping the Moon God, so he started his own religion -- Islam. He incorporated the teachings he had heard into his own teachings. Non of his followers could read and write so it was important that his followers learned his teachings by heart. Even today Jewish children learn the Law (the first 5 books of the Bible )off by heart , when they go to Hebrew classes after school. The Quaran was codified 250 years after the time of Mohammed ,and there were 8 ancient copies written on vellum ,rather than papyrus . One of these ancient codices is in Cairo and the other is in Baghdad. The other 6 have not survived. The earliest Jewish Scroll dates from 100 years before Christ ,and individual books of the New Testament date from the late 1st century and 2nd century AD. All 3 of these religions had a long tradition of scribes faithfully copying the sacred texts, until the art of printing was invented. The Christian scribes did not only copy the Old and New testaments. They also copied Greek and Roman poetry ,plays and historical documents. There are over 5ooo copies of ancient New Testament books .

[The Guidance Counsellor]

It's filled with lies.

[pogz]

yeah vids amazong how a group of peopls dedicated in debunking their religion.. fascinating

[أبو عصفور]

happy to see everyone is doing their own researchs and own well thought rebuttal to this research rather than just dissmising it. This is a good sign that Muslim did not accept this religion out of just (I was born a muslim). They stuided it and know a lot about it and know how to reply to a research with imo solid points.

[48sufi]

Some were also forced to. lets acknowledge all facts

[Lazyjaan]

@48sufi and those who are forced are not Muslims, and those who forced them, don't know their own religion. In Islam force in religion is not allowed!

[أبو عصفور]

@48sufi not really the point we trying to reach here. I thought you talked forced to learn. Which I think is good if you believe in Islam you can even argue thay after learning Islam that subject you to the difficult matters of the religion which may or may not change the persons view of the religion. About being forced to be a muslim idk what you exactly mean. Im just thinking out loud here, but. After you get to 18 or 24 years od, are you really forced into anything?

[深夜]

allah's religion isn't being a member of a culture or nation. you can't inherit it from your fathers, use your brain

[Bagus Prihastomo]

It'ss wonderful to know such history

[A]

Fake one! Thanks but we Arabs know our history before Islam and the places around them! Look at Muallaqat

[glowrillaz]

@A Hmm, judging by the attitude, definitely an arab :D

[A]

@glowrillaz Didn’t I type that on my response!

[glowrillaz]

@A sorry what? you can talk in arabic cause that sentence didn’t make sense

[glowrillaz]

@A I’m not. I said if you can’t type in english use arabic if you speak it. Because that sentense doesn’t make sense. How is that angry bro? :\

[ClassicalSinging]

As mentioned in the Quran chapter 2 verse 115: "To Allah belong the east and the west, so wherever you turn you are facing ˹towards˺ Allah. Surely Allah is All-Encompassing, All-Knowing." So, it really doesn't matter even if your "research" proves that muslims should pray in direction of London. Thank you again for this amazing "research" that cost you money, effort, and time. Looking forward to watching another "scientific" documentary.

[Thomas Schrick]

He put together a good case, it seems that changes are bound to happen throughout time

[Walter Kepler]

amazing work! speachless....

[Sampl Entertainment]

This documentary got me on the edge of my seat the whole way! Hearing that the book burning took 6 months actually hurt to hear :( That must have been an incredible amount of information :(:( so painful!

[Al Syurga]

True

[Mari Adkins]

the book burning -- i'm still in mourning after all these centuries. i week for the information, the knowledge that we lost.

[The Guidance Counsellor]

Maybe it might make you happy to know Dan fabricated that whole thing amongst other things.

[Mari Adkins]

@The Guidance Counsellor :sigh:

[Maher Abdelhamid]

So, Ibn Zubeir changed a whole holy city from its place, and changed the Qibla direction which represents a pillar in the Islamic faith but no Muslim protested at that time, and no historian or theologist spoke or wrote about this spectacular and grandiose event in all the Islamic history, even the victorious rivals of Ibn Zubair who were in Damascus didn't say anything about that?!! That means that this relocation of the sacred city of Mecca was one of the most successful conspiracies in human history because all Muslims and non-Muslims of that time and all the rival clans (Ibn Zubeir in Mecca, the Umayyad in Damascus, The shiites in Iraq and the anarchist and extremist Kharijites who were everywhere) liked and participated in the relocation of the city and in the changement of the Qibla, and they collaborated to keep that secret and succeeded in that task for more than a thousand years !!

[Agnes Mina]

Catholicism, Islam, Zoroastrianism, Judaism: they all survived over a thousand years. It's a long time but it doesn't say anything about veracity. It's quite imaginable that the Qibla could be moved if you were only roughly supposed to face it and weren't required to face it 100% accurately 🤷‍♀️

[Geoffrey K]

Turn around. Look at what Muhammad prophesied.. Find nothing...he was NOT A PROPHET.

[Vengeance22]

I guess anyone that protested met a knife in the back afterall the ruler's words were ultimate back then pretty much everywhere in the world, unlike today.

[YAS]

Allah is the one to accept your namaz, more over your niyat " oh creator I pray this namaz for you" so even if your not facing the kabah allah has taken steps towards your prayer so that even if a mistake was to be made 🔝🔝🔝 it'll still count

[Magician]

Don’t let the the disbelievers brainwashed you. You’re praying in the right direction.

[Henok Legesse]

@Magician 😂😂😂😂

[Abdulh Albu]

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[Sota]

Great information, I learned so much here

[TheAstronomer]

@HsaineZ You have not studied history and archaeology before Islam, you only studied what late Islamic sources say about Mecca, big difference.

[Mo Bat]

Hello there... I totally respect your work... This is a lot of pleased efforts my friend... I want to add a small point... From the Quraan itself...showing in clear Arabic language that faith is not dependent on Qibla direction... Thank you again for the wonderful information. { ۞ لَّیۡسَ ٱلۡبِرَّ أَن تُوَلُّوا۟ وُجُوهَكُمۡ قِبَلَ ٱلۡمَشۡرِقِ وَٱلۡمَغۡرِبِ وَلَـٰكِنَّ ٱلۡبِرَّ مَنۡ ءَامَنَ بِٱللَّهِ وَٱلۡیَوۡمِ ٱلۡـَٔاخِرِ وَٱلۡمَلَـٰۤىِٕكَةِ وَٱلۡكِتَـٰبِ وَٱلنَّبِیِّـۧنَ وَءَاتَى ٱلۡمَالَ عَلَىٰ حُبِّهِۦ ذَوِی ٱلۡقُرۡبَىٰ وَٱلۡیَتَـٰمَىٰ وَٱلۡمَسَـٰكِینَ وَٱبۡنَ ٱلسَّبِیلِ وَٱلسَّاۤىِٕلِینَ وَفِی ٱلرِّقَابِ وَأَقَامَ ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ وَءَاتَى ٱلزَّكَوٰةَ وَٱلۡمُوفُونَ بِعَهۡدِهِمۡ إِذَا عَـٰهَدُوا۟ۖ وَٱلصَّـٰبِرِینَ فِی ٱلۡبَأۡسَاۤءِ وَٱلضَّرَّاۤءِ وَحِینَ ٱلۡبَأۡسِۗ أُو۟لَـٰۤىِٕكَ ٱلَّذِینَ صَدَقُوا۟ۖ وَأُو۟لَـٰۤىِٕكَ هُمُ ٱلۡمُتَّقُونَ } [سُورَةُ البَقَرَةِ: ١٧٧]

[Innocent Muthiani]

Inch perfect accuracy. Our faith in Allah isn't based on the direction of the kiblah.

[Mark Lucas]

The problem with the koran is that you can find whatever you want in its pages or in the earlier Muslim writings "The fools among the people will say: "What hath turned them from the Qibla to which they were used (? the far mosque)?" Say: To God belong both east and West: He guideth whom He will to a Way that is straight. Thus, have We made of you an Ummat justly balanced, that ye might be witnesses over the nations, and the Apostle a witness over yourselves; and We appointed the Qibla to which thou wast used, only to test those who followed the Apostle from those who would turn on their heels (From the Faith). Indeed it was (A change) momentous, except to those guided by God. And never would God Make your faith of no effect. For God is to all people Most surely full of kindness, Most Merciful. We see the turning of thy face (for guidance) to the heavens: now Shall We turn thee to a Qibla that shall please thee. Turn then Thy face in the direction of the sacred Mosque: Wherever ye are, turn your faces in that direction. The people of the Book know well that that is the truth from their Lord. Nor is God unmindful of what they do. Even if thou wert to bring to the people of the Book all the Signs (together), they would not follow Thy Qibla; nor art thou going to follow their Qibla; nor indeed will they follow each other’s Qibla. If thou after the knowledge hath reached thee, Wert to follow their (vain) desires, - then wert thou Indeed (clearly) in the wrong. S. 2:142-145 Y. Ali

[Mark Lucas]

Or what the greatest of the early Muslim historian and commentator al-Tabari had mentioned on the verse below: The Change of Qiblah One of these is God’s changing of the Muslims’ Qiblah (the direction faced in prayer) from Syria (that is, Jerusalem) to the Ka‘bah. This was in the second year of the Prophet’s residence in Medina, in Sha‘ban (which began January 28, 624). The early scholars disagree as to the date at which the Qiblah was changed in this year; the majority say that it was changed halfway through Sha‘ban, eighteen months after the arrival of the Messenger of God in Medina.

[Antonio Misel]

Imagine remembering the Coran in there teens then when they get older and have memories like a Joe Biden.. Then you also have in every religion text that gets lost in trans5

[Dream High]

@Mark Lucas there is no problem with the quran.. we follow the majority of the scholars

[Kayman Fani]

Becca could also not mean crying. But instead it means valley in Hebrew בקעה

[Mr Nobody]

This is an endlessly fascinating video. Even the Umayyad mosque in Damascus, although dating back to way before Islam, to this day faces between the two cites mentioned in this video.

[Mr Nobody]

@The Guidance Counsellor I don’t take offense from idiots. Some cities predate all religions and not just Islam, Damascus is one of those. As such, the Umayyad Mosque is an ancient site that once held a temple to the Roman God, Jupiter. The same site was later made into a synagogue, then a church, then, during the Umayyad period, it was made into a mosque. PS: before you go around calling people stupid, I suggest that you be knowledgeable, cultured, and smart enough so as not to make a fool of yourself.

[The Guidance Counsellor]

@Mr Nobody I didn't call you stupid, I said your comment was because Mosques did not predate Islam. Yes the site at which the mosque is built predates Islam but as it was expanded in size and completely changed, a distinction must be made. I also don't believe Damascus predates all religion. Pretty sure the Canaanites (if you're referring to this far back) were polytheistic.

[Mr Nobody]

@The Guidance Counsellor you contradict yourself wildly. When the site was expanded and changed, the prayer wall of the mosque faced exactly between the two cities of Mecca and Petra and still does so till this day. This proves the video correct and your first comment to be made of ignorance and completely irrelevant.

[Arun Saini]

It is some genius level of discovery. It was fascinating right from the start, I was glued and learned so much about Islam. Gr8 work.

[Terje Myhre]

the programe blew me away....pun intended

[Manazon]

@Terje Myhre oops 😂

[Terje Myhre]

@Manazon it was a blast

[prashant devadiga]

Simply Outstanding. The quality of scientific investigation, data evaluation and analysis is highly professional and mind boggling. I Love This Channel and its Contents. Keep up the excellent work. Love from India.

[Kill_Em_Dafoe]

Well said. I am similarly impressed! This is very focused work!

[TheAstronomer]

I agree. I have read Gibson's book which goes into much more detail on this subject, and his Quranic Geography book is extremely detailed.

[fuad yafai]

Do you think Jesus Christ is a white man with blonde hair and Blue Eyes? If you do then I would not waste my time replying to your comment.

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[Hasnat Ali]

Dude! This theory could be tested by simply checking only those places where Petra and mecca are close to 180 degrees opposite to each other i.e. you are standing in such a place where if you face mecca your back is towards Petra and if you face Petra your back is towards Mecca. One such place is Medina and If you see mosques from the period of Prophet's(P.B.U.H) life in Medina they are in the general direction of mecca.FYI in Islam it was advised to face the general direction of Mecca.

[Brad A]

It was years latter by the time the mosques were built in Medina and Mecca

[Hasnat Ali]

@Brad A what was years later and from where do you know it was years later?

[Brad A]

@Hasnat Aliit’s in the video, did you watch it?

[saif nadeem]

I saw the video and would like Brad to watch it again.. Masjid qiblatain is situated in Medina and it was the same mosque in which our prophet pbuh got revelation to switch qibla from Jerusalem to mecca and you can see in the mosque that it is totally opposite direction

[Hafeedah Shiraz]

I would like raise the matter with regard to the ZamZam Well which is located in the Masjid ul Haram vicinity in Maccah.. was there a zam zam well or any sort of well in Petra? Thank you

[Leonid Wong]

Just wanted to point out that idea of having PETRA as the sacred ground for all religion/passerby/pilgrimage is make sense.. I can imagine Petra as melting pot of various temples/god statues etc. Safe haven where no violence permitted is a very good idea. Even US Secretary Stimson forbid the bombing of Kyoto/Tokyo due to cultural/religious importance.. I wish we can have similar grounds nowadays

[Hussa HMK]

Just because it seems like a good caravan point does not make it mecca .. just because singaphore has skyscrapers does not make it new york i.e. cave hira Prophet's home archaeological proof in medina

[Ronaldo Obem]

its not about the direction in fact, but the power of synchronicity itself

[S҉N҉A҉K҉E҉F҉I҉N҉G҉E҉R҉]

I believe the Korean Doctor who got a pass from the prince to roam wherever his heart desired. Everything is there. Plain to see. It’s unbelievable. Yet I truly believe it.

[Houda F]

Could you please please tell us more about it ? Like the Korean Doctor’s name please ?

[Junior]

@Houda F the korean doctor is christian who found mount Sinai, nothing to do with islan

[Ali Atara]

please go back to school and do your homework properly

[SenecaKnowsBest]

The leaders will always defend their current teaching and beliefs because their positions and income depend on it. We will never hear our leaders say “sorry I guess we were wrong so you died for nothing”

[Suchismita Bagchi]

Great findings. Thanks for sharing

[meda]

Most important is that it makes the muslims one to have an appointed point to pray to, and to come together , no matter what that point is.

[Wind Bauram]

"The fools among the people will say, “What has turned them (Muslims) from their Qiblah [prayer direction (towards Jerusalem)] to which they were used to face in prayer.” Say, (O Muhammad SAW) “To Allah belong both, east and the west. He guides whom He wills to a Straight Way.” Surah Al-Baqarah - 142.

[Dark Angel]

Omar is the one who changed the direction of the Muslims prayer

[Wind Bauram]

I gave you a Quranic verse with the source and you say "Omar"!!? So, if you want to play dumb, find another place to do so. It's narrated by Abu Hurairah that the Prophet PBUH said: “Whoever believes in God and the Last Day, let him speak good or remain silent” (Authentic in Bukhari and Muslim).

[Isa Iqbal]

:)

[spesial 1]

@Wind Bauram true, best answers

[diyablaw]

God is great he replied to this fool before he was born 1400 years ago am just amazed by his infinite wisdom

[Cliffwalker rockhounding]

Incredible interpretation of data. I have a new viewpoint to be certain.

[Tom M]

No - it doesn't matter which direction you pray in as long as your intention is good.

[Andrew James]

we are all forgiven for our mistakes if there are any mistakes we make, our lives are controlled today insane governments who slowly go against our beliefs and the advice and guidance from early records that exist today. I hope for peace among all religions and countries and we should live and respect each other.

[Mohamed Salleh Wari]

You are ignorant of islamic history so you agree with Dan Gibson theory. In the early years of islamic history some of Muhamed's followers migrated to Ethopia which was across the Red Sea near present day Mecca because of persecution by Meccan. This cannot fit the Geography of Petra because Ethopia was thousand of kilometres south-west of Petra and the journey was torturous. So clearly Muhamed could not be from Petra.

[Shihab Shihabi]

"A faction of the people of the Scripture wish they could mislead you. But they do not mislead except themselves, and they perceive [it] not." "They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike."

[Duan Torruellas]

This video makes me think of a scene in the film dune , where they are in Petra. It was a set design that looked like Petra , Petra is an incredible mystery and the rock carving is amazing for it's time.

[99 bits]

There's petra in spain, jordan and one in greece, they are different cities

[General raaani]

Yes in one documentary they compared Petra with today's LasVegas

[Foxy Cinnamon]

@99 bits This one is in Jordan. Pretty obvious.

[Foxy Cinnamon]

@General raaani Not this one.

[Randy Jones]

Well, Dune is loosely inspired by Islamic culture so that isn't surprising.

[Samir Mohammed]

REFUTATIONS: I carefully examined the documentry and could not find one spec of concrete evidence. Here are six point that come to mind. 1) Becca inscriptions can be found in Petra for pilgrims going to mecca. 2) Mousqes mensioned in the researcher have a deviation of 12 degrees (not accurate but acceptable) and can not be used to direct Qiblas to Petra. 3) Mecca was not historically relavent till the advent of Islam as it was formarly a place for bedouin idole worshippers and had no significant geopolitical involvment in the region. This is why it is not in western maps at the time. 4) The naration of fruits and trees does not necessarily mean fields of greenery and could well be in reference to simple vegetation that grows where ever it rains. Remember Medina not too far from Mecca is known historically as a date tree oasis. 5) Historic evidence clearly shows Mecca (in now called Saudia Arabia) and not in Jordon, see authentic islamic sources. No historic or geological evedince can be found of Muslim pilgrims going to petra. 6) The Abbasi denisty is not historically known to have moved the Qibla from Saudia Arabia to Petra. I can go on for ever but all I can say is may God guide Gibson to the truth.

[Faizan Anwer]

And indeed, We adorned the lowest heaven with ˹stars like˺ lamps, and made them ˹as missiles˺ for stoning ˹eavesdropping˺ devils, for whom We have also prepared the torment of the Blaze. (SURAH MULK , AYAH 5)

[Sarfaraz Shaikh]

Vry well explained & narrated ek number bro

[Sarfaraz Shaikh]

Vry well said bro 👏

[The Firm]

Well said apart from point 5. There are Islamic sources that also point to a kabaa in Yemen and likely Petra.

[Ian Veloso]

this an enlightening proposition. To God be all the glory!

[Ghost]

Thank you for the information… very interesting and debatable cause these are all theories

[Michael G]

Mind Blown. Amazing research.

[Inquisitive Mind]

Search for Robert Hoyland's interview on Mecca with Derek Lambert at Mythvision Podcast.

[Boogus]

@Inquisitive Mind no

[Experience BURIAS BEACHES]

Their qibla's directions are different because the direction of the sunset differs from every place in every country. That would be the reason why it doesn't point any specific place or directions.

[Sara Jamil]

Nonsense. Praying direction is not to do with the sun!

[rory egan]

The direction of (any) Qibla is a fixed compass orientation, nothing to do with sunsets at all. Ever.

[Nyagol Nyagolov]

Qiblas were towards Petra, the real historical Becca/Mecca in Jordan at first! Then they changed when the idol of Kaaba was moved to nowadays Mecca in Saudi Arabia!

[Chris S]

East is east no matter where you are on the earth

[Nyagol Nyagolov]

@Chris S The facts show the first qiblas pointing towards Petra, which is the real Mecca/Becca, with loads of archaeological finds corresponding, while later when the idol of Kaaba was moved to nowadays Mecca, the qiblas changed to that direction. East is East but on the North pole you can go only South.

[Gavin Chambers]

Interesting that Becca sounds very similar to Beqaa, the Beqaa Valley is geographically part of the Great Rift Valley that runs along the Sea of Galilee, the Dead Sea and into the Gulf of Aqaba, and on into the Red Sea. It is also interesting that the Quran talks about two bodies of water, one salty, like the Dead Sea and one sweet water, like the Sea of Galilee, that do not mix. These two waters are both below sea level and the gradient between the two is gradual, so that the river meanders because the water is moving slow enough that it will have a very distinct salinity gradient.

[Omer عمر]

Becca is the second name of mecca known even before the prophet PBBUH by arabs aroud the peninsula

[Iqra Siddique]

dont relate two different events that are mentioned in quran. mecca is mentioned two times in quran. and it was a place without water except water of zam zam. where the dead sea was mentioned in quran just to tell how God has made these two water places that are entirely different in nature but still dont mux with each other. It directs us to study about the nature of those waters that how densities of those waters are different with each other. Read quran with proper context and continuation. Don't pick the events randomly. Research over it properly.

[Education Innovation]

@Iqra Siddique Olive trees, farm were in Mecca?

[The Guidance Counsellor]

@Education Innovation I've made a rebuttal to this documentary on my channel if you want the other side

[Nathan Kwadade]

@The Guidance Counsellor I’m awaiting your link to this rebuttal so I can render an unbiased assessment and conclusion.

[Santa Barbara California]

This was very interesting i was not blinking my eyes and i was praying the show would never end ! Wow 👌

[PSR 04]

Thank you for this thoughtful video. Its research is brilliant. Yet it is sensitive to the faith that so many people carry in their heart. There has always been a spiritual war waged by those that seek to capture and use the word of God for their own intentions. Isaiah 14:13-14

[Lefein Noel]

The most intelligent comment in this entire section. 🥂 mate.

[Amr Gobran]

So much thanks for make things clear 🙏

[OzOOz]

بصراحه بحث ودراسة سخيفه وركيكة جدا ولا تعتمد على مصادر صحيحه بل معلومات اعتباطيه يكفي وجود عشرات المساجد القديمة والتي قبلتها واضحه وصريحة الى مكة وكان ذلك قبل الدولة الأمويه وما زالت قائمة

[alvin wong]

When I watched this video, I wonder how much Arab world developed their civilization to the point where they were able to enter the enlightenment age. It was a short lived era but the evidence from Andalucia tells me that the era Muslims civilization willing to live coexist together and put their religion differences aside. Still a good documentary about history I am fond to know more. Except when I heard a single word "Challenged" and how the presentation was executed and finally a question "did they really wrong all this time?", okay that is enough. I read the comments exactly match the most common problem documentary evidence Hypocrisy mindset. I am Asian from the land below the wind, Sabah Borneo Island. Where I have come from, learn just one thing when it comes to religion talks, "You can listen, but never believe". Any single word or single sign shows you want to start claiming that you are always right from the start when others wrong means bad intentions. I'm sorry, I am a Catholic and seeing this one, no matter how much your introduction as an expert and living 30 years with Arab people, having discussed with a scholars, history experts or bla bla bla bla bla... That's not related or relevant when you are not Down to earth humble man. I have done the same thing for Muslim civilization religion talk and we treat it as it humble down to earth as a sign of respect. Something you never seen this coming hits you later. Come on, you can do better than that. Like Morgan Freeman did it respectful way... Don't hurt Muslim people feeling or making them fighting each other for this kind of documentary.

[Mohamed Salleh Wari]

You are ignorant of islamic history so you agree with Dan Gibson theory. In the early years of islamic history some of Muhamed's followers migrated to Ethopia which was across the Red Sea near present day Mecca because of persecution by Meccan. This cannot fit the Geography of Petra because Ethopia was thousand of kilometres south-west of Petra and the journey was torturous. So clearly Muhamed could not be from Petra.

[alvin wong]

@Mohamed Salleh Wari I never said that I agree with him and why you try to make things more difficult when I was bashing his theory?

[The Solo Quest]

Allah-Hu-Akbar❤

[Tina Toofer]

The sharing of research is fantastic! That’s what we should do, help each other and solve problems.

[Babycakes2001]

Exactly what I wrote 👍

[Remi Gio]

Amazing explanation to what Muslim scholars neglected for hundreds of years! Bravo!

[T]

fake video and full of lies

[Manju]

Just Mind Blowing !!!!

[Myke McCormick]

Regardless of the Religion for some the "Exact Truth" of certain things are so central the faith is believed impossible absent these Absolute truths. For others the philosophical, Spiritual truths are of far greater importance

[derigaydomeng 12]

ThankYou of this very informative documentary. . . . Very clear info! The "TRUTH "will aways prevail !

[mshtysf]

mis translated truth. sure go ahead. believe

[D7]

Yes, the truth will always prevail, and all of history says where is Mecca, but your problem is that hatred blinds you, and that is why you try to create lies to deceive yourselves, making you pathetic

[Syed Zubair]

You must also reveal other important places mentioned in history, such as Hudaibiyah and Thaif. You also must show some important places for worship that are inseparable from Mecca: Arafah Mina and forgot to mention the well of Zamzam Starting from the life of the Prophet, annually visited Mecca and people repeated this pilgrimage several times for years. So it is not possible that the location of Mecca can change.

[Jessie James]

He's not saying the location changed he said people changed it.

[Barbrashah]

No they’re not historians, not even atheists but most probably hatred of islam lol, “9:15” proved they ‘re indeed! They don’t know Arabic so translating masjid ul Haram is completely opposite to its meaning, Masjid mean: place of prostration Haram mean: home, holy house & also mean forbidden in a sense lots of things are forbidden in the territory! Ka’ba was first built by prophet Ibrahim & his son Ismael ( on & off later it’s been repaired & reconstructed)! & wearing Arabic dresses & speaking Arabic in middle wheats doesn’t mean someone is Muslim who someone who really know Islam! Btw I stopped watching this video right in the middle when realise these guys are haram( forbidden to enter in Mecca) 😂

[Nikolai Emmanuel Bowinkelmann]

Yes you are right in my opinion. Yes I lived in Mekkah. One of the oldest Mosques is Masdjit al Qibka Tnin. The Mosque of two praying dirrection. Mohammad changed the dirction of praying from Jerusalem to Mekka after beeing rejected by the Jews of Madina. The Tribes,Bani Nadir, Quraiza and Bani Quainuka.

[Mark Schultz]

So you are a disbeliever?

[Nikolai Emmanuel Bowinkelmann]

@Mark Schultz A historical fact has nothing to do with a Belive in the ETARNAL Spirit. Religion is just a human Windows of Counchesness into Eternity.

[Adam Dahl]

This is a great example of either believing what a person says or taking what someone says and testing it with actual history. Search for the truth and don't just accept what someone tells you as truth. Good work.

[The Guidance Counsellor]

Muslims ignore this. I've also made a rebuttal to this documentary on my channel if you're interested in the other side. Then you can critique fairly

[mhikee Fuentes]

He researched the truth for u. Otherwise, create your own documentry with scientific basis, arheologically speaking. I will wait you for that.

[Omi Wan]

Yeah especially since this is nonsense Good work indeed

[MarouaneBad]

Let me start by the end of the video to give an answer to Timeline’s question why no scholar give damn about answering the theory depicted in the video: no need for a Muslim scholar to debunk it. It’s too wild theory to be taken seriously by a Muslim scholar. Do you need a history scholar to debunk a theory of moving Jerusalem from a place to another without leaving a several traces in nations history records? Such an event will be stored in the countries records for which this city (Mekka or Jerusalem) matters, whether from the communities for which these cities are holy or from their enemies or from their allies. Don’t you find it more than obvious? - “Makka was not mentioned before in history till the 6 or 7th century” quote like this one is just outrageous et non-sense : Mekka was known as Mekoba by the ancient Greek at least from the time of Ptolemy in the 2nd Century. - Makka is known in the history of Arabs as city within an entourage where each place got a name till now (mountains, caves Hiraa’e, cave of Thawr, Safaa, Marwa, roads, entries, ...). All these names are the same from ancient arab poetry to the written record of islamic history to the popular knowledge of people inhabiting Makk, the Hijaz region and the Arabic peninsula. Changing from Petra to Makka is not that easy. Moreover, this would have been a historical event which can be compared in terms of importance to the first revelation of Quran to the Prophet. It’s too holy to be changed like this without tough reaction from Muslims from all around the world. Remember the size of the Arabs empire at this time. No county was able to record such profanation. - Moroccan Mosques that were built more than 20 years ago give a prayer direction with a small angle of error like the ones shown in the documentary. All the new mosques with the arrival of the adoption and democratization of Mekka-direction compass, are directed toward Mekka with much more precision. It’s the same in other countries I travelled too. So it’s not a new discovery. Ask any muslim about this and they’ll confirm you that. - Did any historian talk about the Abyssinian invasion of Petra to destroy the Ka’ba? Never ever. For 2 reasons, there was no Ka’ba in Petra. Secondo, The Abyssinian invasion of the Arabic peninsula in the mid of the 6th century AD was targeting Mekka to destroy the holy city of Arabs and force them to adopt the Christian religion (a major church was built by Abyssinian in Yemen meant to replace the holiness of Ka’ba). This historical event is very known by the Arabs who were questioned in Quran about the intervention of God to safeguard the holy city of Mekka (to tell them that the God sending revelation to Muhammed is the same God of the Holy city, the same God of Abraham…). - The destruction of Quran copies by Othman : the guy tells what suits his theory but let me tell you what he omits: After the death of the Prophet, the 1st Calif Abu Bakr decided to compile the Quran in the order learnt by the Companions from the Prophet. With Omar, the future 2nd Calif, they assigned the mission to a Companion known for his mastering of the Quran in the life of the Prophet (and he was not alone, thousands of those who lived and supported the Prophet knows at least good parts of it by heart). The methodology was strict: they gathered first from the Revelation copyists the supports and materials on which they wrote the verses from the Prophet mouth, then they gathered the best companions who had learnt the Quran by heart and double check what they can recite with what is written in the support and cross-checked the recitations and the quran written supports. The revelation Copyists were Prophet companions in charge of writing down what was revealed to the Prophet each time it happened, they were called together by the Prophet to record it, each-one should write it down on any support he was able to afford - leather, wood, flat rock…Then these materials were stored in the houses of theses Copyists (blockchain principle : to have several distributed copies). We should underline here that the order of verses was taught by the Prophet to the Companions and Quran was given the utmost importance to be learnt by heart with the recitation rules taught by the Prophet. At the end of this process, Abu Bakr and Omar made a complete Quran checked and approved by the closest Companions to the Prophet, this Quran was considered as the Reference and was stored in the house of Hafsa one of the wives of the Prophet (daughter of the 2nd Calif Omar). It’s been stored till Othman the 3rd Calif would need it and then comes what he narrated. Othman did the best solution to make all the Quran copies used by the countries of the large Islamic empire identical to the one stored in the Medina as the Reference : he destroyed the old copies gathered from countries and gave them copies from the Reference. Is there any other solution better than this one to preserve the integrity of the Quran copies? The guy in the video tries through omissions to shade doubts on the Quran authenticity. But why doesn’t he tell the whole story? The Quran is the only religious book known by heart by tens of millions of people on earth since 14th centuries no other book got this preservation control from tampering. I my self know the third of the Quran (20+ Hizb). The Birmingham Quran manuscript, the oldest Quran pages found ever, dated to almost the time of the Prophet proved 100% that the Quran was not tampered : 0 difference between this manuscript and the Quran copies I have home. - He said that grapes were fruit not common in Mekka but common in Petra : don’t he know that Taif which is 40 miles from Mekka provide such fruit to the holy city? That some wealthy from Mekka at the time of the Prophet got agricultural lands there. There’s in Bukhari book (that he used a lot to choose what to tell to defend his theory) a story about the Prophet going there to ask for the support of Taif’s population leaders, they refused and chased him with stones till his legs got bloody. He hid in a garden where a slave brought him a bunch of grapes the very fruit that the guy used as proof it does not exist in Mekka. Moreover, thanks to its flourishing trade Mekka was wealthy and God in Quran remind the non-believers of Mekka in a chapter of Quran of that gift He bestowed on them. Moreover, “A city in a valley without plantations or agriculture” this is the description of Mekka by Abraham in a verse of the Quran narrating the story of him leaving his 2nd wife and her baby Ishmael in this Valley on the order of God/ALLAH. You can read in the Old Testament that God promised Abraham to make from this baby descendants a great nation. This nation, Arabs, knows the greatness once: thanks to Mohammed the Prophet and the Quran. Big Empire, one of the biggest, big civilization, proof for Atheists of God intervention in Human history. - Last but not least: The destruction by Arabs of the Alexandria library!? First, the library suffered several fires since it was founded in the 3rd century BC, when the Arabs came the library had suffered long centuries of negligence by the newly Christian roman empire who was no more interested in the pagan philosophy. Papyrus was the main material used for the books of this library and it made them fragile and can’t survive long years if they are not copied regularly. The books were already ruined and useless. Fire was better than throwing them in the Nile, the same Arabs helped promote the sciences from the Greek, Persian and Indian heritage the years after. Secondly Egypt was conquered with minimum battles because the small Muslim army managed to sign peace or submission treaty that protected the rights and the privileges of the Egyptian Copt and Christians. For these last, the library and its books were worthless because no Christian care about it and it's no more financed to me maintained in good condition. I would cite more proves than that, I tried to be as much concise as I can. I think it should be enough for the purpose of answering the last Timeline’s request of Muslim scholars to use their right to answer. Let them focus on other important subjects 😉

[Hairull YT]

@mhikee Fuentes then this is ur answer. kzbin.info/aero/PLEJMLhtoQWIRXK9o-hv6eyNXxUpEeb5X_

[radcon]

This is the great revelation to a fertile mind. Incontrovertible!!!!!!

[Mohamed Salleh Wari]

You are ignorant of islamic history so you agree with Dan Gibson theory. In the early years of islamic history some of Muhammad's followers migrated to Ethopia which was across the Red Sea near present day Mecca because of persecution by Meccan. This cannot fit the Geography of Petra because Ethopia was thousand of kilometres south-west of Petra and the journey was torturous. So clearly Muhamed could not be from Petra.

[Peter grif]

I was a Muslim when I watched this and thanks to you I still am

[Sd Ferr]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 u killed me !!!

[Ali Getts]

Facts

[Sir Dankleberry]

That's fascinating but the problem is I can't find who asked.

[EJ Math]

No one was trying to convert you dear. Just Historians sharing knowledge with the rest of us laymen.

[4doorsmoreguns]

The black stone was a worship place for pagans and muslims to this day do the same pagan rituals😃

[Fil Audio Equipment Channel]

I always think of discrepancies in the evolution of Islam after Prophet Muhammed. Petra could or could not be where the Prophet was born but the more important and disturbing fact is that the Quran changed over the years after the time of Muhammed. Hadid became as important as the scripture and they were collected and gathered after 200 years of the time of the Prophet which he himself restricted writing down his words as he knew they could easily get manipulated and forged and will contradict the scripture. Today there are many Hadid which are contradicted the verses of the Quran. Hadid even often times contradicted each other in the books of different imams who gathered those so-called Hadid.