The Mercedes E550 is a Total Money Pit: $10,000 in Repairs and Counting and I'm in Love!

[@mattwright6249]

I have a 2010 W212 E550 with every factory option literally. I have not had any issues so far other than a misdiagnosed air line crack, that cost me two rear airbags. But now they are new and the line leak is solved. I have a eurocharged stage 1 tune and this car absolutely rips. Muffler delete and resonator delete, xpipe install... K&Ns and is NA. NA 5.5l is so insane. Most reliable thing ive ever owned. I bought it with 44000kms and it now has 78000kms in a few years, all driven hard.... I love it. I'm putting it in storage for the winter because I cant bring myself to put it through another winter because I want to own this car forever. Literally. Nothing like this on the road now.

[@mrapter7]

100%!! The 5.5 NA is a beast and sounds fantastic. Ultra reliable with regular care. With the tune and goodies you’re probably pushing 420ish or so, which is plenty for the E. At 126k I burn 0 oil and pulls like a train. The turbos are the only thing I’m worried about long term but, we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it. German muscle is the best muscle

[@gilbug01]

This sounds just like my E550. Mine is a 2010 W212 with every option. The back message is awesome.

[@mrapter7]

Unfortunately I don’t have the massage but thankfully no air ride as well! Enjoy it! I was thinking of swapping a seat In

[@gilbug01]

@@mrapter7 I do have the air ride and it's okay it gives me a little bit of trouble after I leave it sitting for a couple of weeks but it always airs right back up.

[@andrewsanford459]

2010 is the best year in my opinion for the e550 especially if it's only rear wheel,and yeah 120k is a major tune up time

[@eddiejones7747]

I have 2007 E550.. purchased 10 yrs ago with 60k.. currently 145k and runs excellent. Most expensive replacement was air shocks at 1k. Total spent on repairs, tires and maintenance during 10yrs is approx $8800.

[@victorkaminski4420]

I have a 2011 E550 Convertible. I wanted to stay with a normally aspirated big block. I've put about 8,000 miles on it now since getting it at 70,000. SO far so good.

[@mrapter7]

Nah that NA 5.5 is a beast. She won’t give you many if any issues. I regularly see those with 160-200k for sale for cheap and running great with proper maintenance. One this 278 kicks the bucket I’m looking at a NA 550 to replace it

[@jasonrabe1664]

I have the 2010 four-door 550 with the big engine for over 10 years and outside of warranty I have only replaced one headlight and a starter. This is been the best car almost that I've had out of probably 30 something cars since the early 90s. Starts up like a Swiss watch. No complaints. Probably need some engine mounts.

[@mrapter7]

Yes the m273 is a much more reliable power plant past 100k miles. Unfortunately not as powerful as the 278 and doesn’t have the tuning potential, yet it will run forever.

[@dpbabbar]

I own a 2010 E550 Mercedes Benz 4 Matic for the last 6 years. I spent $1100 in repairs. Had I got the similar problem I would have sold the car instead of getting repaired

[@mrapter7]

The m273s are super robust! 6 years and $1100 sounds pretty damn good and in line with most reliable w212s. It’s just this damn engine! Got a new update coming too 🤮

[@ThatSlow02]

I’m looking at a 2010 e550 4matic. I think this just sold me on it 😊

[@Joelcameronbrown]

2013 e550 racechip , I've replaced the wheel bearing 3x all new front and rear control arms turbo coolant lines knock sensors break master rotors all 4 side markers too, now I'm trying to diagnose an oil leak all within 2 years of ownership it's been a nightmare, but it's so fun....

[@mrapter7]

Have you done any compression tests? How many miles are you currently at?

[@Joelcameronbrown]

@@mrapter7 No compression tests yet looks like its the bottom end I'm at 91000 miles.

[@mrapter7]

Something as simple as an oil pan or needing a new oil plug / crush washer? Do you use a new bolt / washer every time? Hopefully not a main seal. Is it dripping or you just notice oil gone? Could be burning etc?

[@TheT1r1]

Yikes! Curious- why not have bought a newer, fewer miles, and cleaner (not to say yours isn’t clean now) car with that 10k you spent in repairs? I’m sure you could’ve found something like a facelift with less than 60 or 70k miles for even less than that extra 10k. Great video! I’ll be looking forward to the new wheels

[@mrapter7]

Thanks man! The next 550 I could find with under 100k & facelift was upwards of 24k in my area, and I need 4matic. Plus, I love the pre facelift design (last dual headlight model) and got this one under market even in its condition with the new interior and updated internals. Basically Everything I’ve done here would have been needed within a year or two anyways on a newer car, so didn’t make a difference much to me!

[@closer71]

@@mrapter7 I too, prefer the 1st gen. facia. Good call.

[@МартинЛюбенов-е1т]

I sold my 2010 E350 a month ago and I still regret doing this. Great car! However, it was with fairly few options and the "smaller" engine and didn't think it is worth it spending money to modifications and upgrades. Only problem I had was with the bearings of the transfer case, watch out for them. That is why I am now waiting for my 2010 E550 to be delivered. Keep the content coming, as I am greatly interested in what modifications could be done, even though our engines are different.

[@mrapter7]

Welcome back to w212 world! Thanks! I’m not aware of bearings within the transfer case, that’s something I’ll have to look into. There’s a ton of cool stuff and videos I’m working on, stay tuned! Thanks for the interest!

[@deadassb6638]

Is that issue only if you have 4matic?

[@mrapter7]

Transfer case would imply the 4WD system, otherwise a differential would be used! (Which 4matic a have at the back, and front)

[@MontagaAMGDrope]

I still have my 2010 E550 & I can’t sell it I never drive my E350 & I take the E63s out on the weekends. But the 550 5.5 litter naturally aspirated engine is the Goat!

[@mrapter7]

@@MontagaAMGDrope I really think once this thing is time for retirement, I’m going to go back to a w211 e55 if I can find it, or a w212 5.5 550 as a daily. The power is phenomenal, however those m273s and m113ks run forever

[@jmaegm]

I sold mine after spending too much on repairs and still things breaking down later. Never ending money pit. Bought a chevy and hardly needs anything major over 14 years still reliable car for family. Not the going out vehicle anymore but it's a reliable vehicle for home whenever needed.

[@mrapter7]

Ain’t that the truth. Def not the same experience, but you get what you (continually) pay for lop

[@axs7689]

2014 flawless e550 and loving it

[@mrapter7]

Love it! Mean machines. What color?

[@axs7689]

@Luke Brosious Black 4matic sedan with 70k miles when bought and now with 88k. I have never loved a car more!

[@darvelllarickpowell]

LMAO... I've done the WEISTEC tunes for all my W207 E550 droptops, W212 E350 & E550, W222 S550 & W166 GLE350, 400, & 43...so that's a definitely good investment... fun times blasting to Vegas for the weekend kid visits! For those repairs, Bro, those all sound like dealer prices I pay for install! For the strut, I've replaced on the droptop & it came to $1500, windshields are about the same & a full brake job with OEM parts push $2000. WELCOME TO THE CLUB!

[@mrapter7]

Nah no dealer here, a good Indy near me. Great hourly rate and more importantly have the experience. If I can’t do it myself, gotta pay someone else who can, definitely pay to play. Parts aren’t that crazy (I love 30 min from FCP euro warehouse) but yeah it’s labor times on this biturbo v8 squished in the engine bay

[@johnhorchler1953]

@@mrapter7 You mention you own convertibles. My guess is what you call a W207 is actually A207 if it is a cabriolet. Just so you know 'W' are sedans, 'C' refers to coupes, and 'A' for all cabriolets.

[@incognitoalister]

you deserve to pay 10,000$ in repairs if you buy any Mercedes with high miles. Lol ive had 7 mercedes of this era(E, C, & ML class) within 15,000-55,000 miles & put so many miles on all of them; literally no issues. All were sold before 70,000 miles.

[@mrapter7]

Awesome! I agree 100% 😂 but, I didn’t. And knew what I was getting into! Love these cars, albeit, a bit of a headache at higher miles. If you can find a lower mile one for a good price, def do it! I found mine for $15k with dealer service. A lot of the costs in this video were for those 100k mile + service issues, so you’re 100% correct.

[@darrelldaugherty4230]

why is my question? they drive the dirt out of these cars in germany easily putting over 200k on them. why was it such a thing to trade in at 70k miles?

[@mrapter7]

Especially as the 211 and 212 were very effective taxis with the m276 v6 or a diesel variant. In the group I’m in there are many many members that have well over 250k miles on various engines.

[@bofasofa9399]

@@darrelldaugherty4230 yeah, I have a 2011 E350 4matic going extremely strong at 250k miles right now with no leaks or anything (M272 engine on its last year of use was really refined).

[@jweezywooden4378]

😎🙌🏿🙌🏿🙌🏿🙌🏿🙌🏿🙌🏿🙌🏿🙌🏿🙌🏿 this is so dope im Glad I’m not the only one But so far just air bags at like 150k Bought the car with 70k miles 1 owner drove like a damn champ be all over with it … hosuton , FL, Dallas , Indiana , Missouri, San Antiono , There fucking best on road trips the n/a v8 got like 27-28MPH. No bulls shit … About 140-180$ of premium gas from Houston to Orlando FL… At night fall sound asleep 💤 with the ambient lights I can’t change the color of mine so there just Gold … But man it’s a nice car It’s makes you feel weird or being played by getting into a cheaper car 😂

[@mrapter7]

I’m wishing I went NA honestly. The power is incredible but I’m done with Benz turbo V8s. They all suck in the long run and have inherent issues that kill them (see cylinder scoring for one). I’m looking at dropping this within the next year or so and getting into a m276 TT, a v6 turbo that can do 500hp and 585lb ft, not too far off what this is doing now. Really want a facelift w212 e400 coupe 4matic in garnet red. That’ll be the one.

[@matthewebanks-fullerton1465]

I’m in the same group , I didn’t know you were from CT I’m from NYC and head up to Norwich regular, stage 2 tuned 123k love the car

[@mrapter7]

Nice! Might have to stage another CT meet up soon! Do you have downpipes and different intakes? Or just the software tune?

[@matthewebanks-fullerton1465]

@@mrapter7 custom made down pipes no intakes yet

[@mrapter7]

Nice! Other than spacers I’m stage 1 as it’s my daily and 505hp 620lb ft is plenty. What are you rated at?

[@Nick-bl6hm]

Gotta pay to play then it looks like. Love Mercedes Benz and I have no love for bmw but have to admit that they seem to be a bit cheaper to maintain and hold their value better. Cousins e93 m3 has no repairs or replacements at 120K after doing bearings

[@mrapter7]

I would argue a w212 with any other motor would be less trouble than a BMW. I know owners of Previous generations with 250k miles on them with normal oil changes only! You def need to pay to play but it’s worth it with how great these drive!

[@jonathanlopez9494]

​@@mrapter7this is true. I owned a w211 V6 and that car never gave me an issue. Super reliable. I wish I would have gone for the V8 so I could have gotten all of the options that the car provided. It was by far the most luxurious mid-size luxury sedan of the mid-late 2000s.

[@mrapter7]

@jonathanlopez9494 ANY of the m113k or other NA v8 engines from w210-w212 era are bulletproof! M273 on a 2010-2011 e550 has got to be the best combo. The m156 AMG 6.2 is equally as reliable in very large part. You can pile miles on either

[@michaeldavis9693]

This is why you try to spend the extra money for a 40-60 miles car right off the rip. Luxury mechanics always say, never buy one after 100k. My boss is this Russian guy with two G Wagons and a collection of old black Mercedes. He was firm about telling me to avoid a turbo for this exact reason. Fun fact.. for some reason the Russian guys like me so I call myself “the machine” 😂. If you want to tune an old car and put the pedal to it, that’s understandable but things will break. Like they say, gotta pay the cost to be the boss. Makes you feel better, I’m on my third porsche and they’re even worse. I’ve never had a repair don’t that was under $2k. I bought an old 911 once and spent $12k just doing a bunch of maintenance and repairs to make it daily roadworthy.

[@mrapter7]

Yeah the engine choice has a lot to do with it. There are plenty of options that would be a great buy over 100k. Even though mine was maintained at the dealer, there are things that just cause death in these engines that are unavoidable. I wish I knew as much as I know now when I bought it. Oh well, a very expensive lesson

[@charifc3990]

I am at 200k miles ( e350 w212) and have a light engine - Still love it, but I need some advice from the shop that did the work for you. Can u provide the information about the Shop?

[@mrapter7]

The shop is located in CT, been around since the 80s. Family owned shop, I can’t wait to do a video on them, great people. They work on v12 AMGs, every generation from the 30s up, and specialty stuff like high end Porsches or Deloreans Classic Motor Car Service is what you’re looking for. The owner is fantastic and they’ve been very honest. If you can make it there, tell them I sent you!

[@Vegas3662]

The HP and TQ generated by this BITurbo V8 is insane! It does seem that this 4.5TTV8 has some bad problems compared to the previous 5.5NA. I am very curious if the AMG Twin Turbo 5.5 on the E63 has similar problems. But nice video nonetheless, it is a beautiful ride, I love the color.

[@mrapter7]

It’s a 4.7 in these cars - they are actually the parent motor for what the 5.5 is based off of. They share about 90% of major parts and components. Larger bore and stroke, slightly different turbos, forged internals, lightweight rotating mass etc. AMG took the m278 and used it to create the m157, one of the few times the AMG motor wasn’t purely AMG derived. So, they have *the same* issues and drawbacks. I can’t think of one the m278 has inherently that the m157 doesn’t or vice versa

[@mrapter7]

The 5.5 NA and 6.2 NA in the 63 cars was awesome. Still are. Can pile miles on them for a long time. M113k in the E55s same Thing, great engines.

[@KiraYamato209]

Great video man! Keep it up. When properly sorted, these cars are a blast to drive, especially with a tune. Btw this is Peter from the group 😂

[@mrapter7]

Couldn’t tell by the name 😂😂

[@Phuong_Nguyen_]

Dang that’s rough! I’ve had my 2013 for 4.5 years now. All regular maintenance I’ve done myself. Installed full coilovers myself. If the coolant hoses leaks, I’ll try to tackle that myself too. Once in a blue moon I also get the rattle but it only last 1 second, so I’m not even worried about it. I’m just gonna keep all maintenance up to date. Hopefully it’ll give me 4.5 more years of a good car.

[@mrapter7]

I would be worried about the rattle, it’s not something to ignore, believe me. Either means a timing chain is unhealthy or your cam gears are out of phase and your cams are off timing slightly, could cause wear overtime and reduce performance. Both known issues on the 2013s How many miles? You’re lucky to get 150k out of these things

[@Phuong_Nguyen_]

@@mrapter7 if it was a camshaft adjuster rattle I would definitely be worried. But I think it’s a chain tensioner rattle. And it only comes very rarely. I also have the updated timing chain.

[@Phuong_Nguyen_]

@@mrapter7 80k

[@mrapter7]

Doesn’t really matter if it’s updated if it’s loose and slapping against the timing cover when you start it up. If it’s not that common, it may actually be an adjuster potentially. Chain tends to be eventually pretty consistent. Tensioners are worn, so chain is loose. Chain won’t break, sure, but you increase your chances for timing skipping a tooth on one of the cam gears. I wouldn’t ignore it

[@mrapter7]

Which, my old engine had rattle at 110k. For 110k it had no checkvalves for oil and starved the top end on start up all that time, causing that chain rattle + additional wear. If you’re over 100k I would HIGHLY recommend popping the valve covers to see if your cams are healthy.

[@EtonieE25]

😂Hi man great video n just wanna add my bit about running costs 😳 I’m in the UK so have a diesel E350 2012 facelift version with 37k miles, 7g 268bhp, 457lb torque for the mid range punch and amazing mpg. Fuel here 🇬🇧 as of Sept 2022 is $9.16 a gallon The SAM unit failed and cost over $1,000.00 bucks to replace at a MB specialist. MB UK wanted far more ☹️ Apparently whatever dick head designed it decided to place the SAM unit in the front wing where it becomes damaged with water ingress 😠 The brake hose needed replacing and MB UK wanted over $1,000.00 bucks to take off the rear axel to replace the hose! 😳 WTF! MB specialist charged $300 bucks without taking the axel off! Just under $1,000.00 bucks for 4 x Michelin Pilot tyres So it’s a fantastic car and remember it’s only covered 37k miles but deffo not cheap to run, but then is that the same said for a BMW, Audi or heaven help u a Porsche 🤔 Watch out for the rear sub frame bushings as this is a $3,000.00 PLUS job to do 😳 And the biggest laugh of them all is my daily driver is a 2003, 190,000 miles TDi Golf which just cost me $500 bucks for a major service and repairs 😆 Oh yeah and 2 tyres @ $40 bucks each 😆 All the best 🇬🇧🇺🇸😎

[@mrapter7]

You are lucky that your subframe is covered by MB! Trust me I got eye all over mine! Sourcing one from the UK soon to get it replaced within the next year. You definitely need to pay to play - most of the stuff I mentined is deferred maintenance and 100k + items. With 125k on it now, runs like a dream! What you listed doesn’t even seem that bad for maintenance. You also need to remember time is a killer sometimes more than miles. 37k miles over 10 years seems like it didn’t get much action, these cars need to be driven! SAM units are 2-350 USD over here, and should be a DIY fix, but you got the right idea with a quality Indy. I wouldn’t of dared but money like this into my previous cars (Buicks, GM products as I sold for GM) because they weren’t worth it. I’m still in love with my w212!

[@jonjones6749]

I have a 2010 e550 4matic 106k miles and never had a bit of trouble. Nothing Nadda.

[@mrapter7]

Completely different engine. This is why.

[@jonjones6749]

@@mrapter7 what engine you have?

[@jonjones6749]

ok you have turbo. In any event my first comment stands.

[@mrapter7]

@jonjones6749 it’s in the video but m278

[@1995RangeRover]

Love the honesty...sub'd

[@mrapter7]

Thank you! Appreciate the sub!

[@infinitycl]

Do you feel like the tune was worth it? I have a M278 and will be debating on it

[@mrapter7]

Without question. The issues I’ve had are not because of the tune, and rather just due to maintenance at 100k. It’s a game changer and still within OEM specs all around. Subscribe if you want - I’m going to be doing a video on adding faster shift points, making throttle more responsive and a bunch of other cool things. Those with the tune makes a huge difference!

[@darvelllarickpowell]

Bro... GET IT! I chose WEISTEC's because it's CARB legal & warranted... stay away from the BOV's though, as they exacerbate boost lag.

[@mrapter7]

I was looking at Weistec but found more online about Eurocharged than Weistec , and they’re local to me so I went with them! I hear amazing things about them now that I’m deeper in the community. Can’t go wrong, but this engine is a must have stage 1 daily

[@nicoboiardo3612]

Well I have a 2013 S550 and I do have any 552a 2011 and they're very good cars and I'm on Mechanic for Mercedes the maintenance the car when it's supposed to be maintenance your cost will be a lot cheaper you buy a Mercedes or Beamer and Audi can't afford the maintenance on them then don't buy them they're very reliable yeah they're a little bit more expensive than other cars but could it's it's a different car it's more luxury going to be a little bit more expensive but they're very reliable cars the car you bought if the person would have maintenanced everything at the at the time when he supposed to you wouldn't have them issues if he would have changed the transmission fluid at 50,000 did the plug and get the filter in the fuel filter change the hoses the bells 70,000 Dudek water pump to change a tensioner if you would have got all that done like it's it's required he will when he bought this car you wouldn't had to pull that money in now if you're going to upgrade your car with more torque to suspension that stuff can't handle that you have to change everything to match it your calls and doesn't make sense it's going to cause problems and we have Tunes different types of tunes we're rid of course you probably cheaper that would have matched your car with the same horsepower now I put Royal Purple in my car way better than the more than the mobile Mercedes dealers on do that for Royal Purple better keep your temperature cooler you can more horsepower quicker startup and it's has a better Royal one hundred percent better when you going to put more than 100 more than 100 horsepower in your car I automatically she should change a brake upgrade and suspension upgrade I don't do it it's that simple but they're very good cars and they're very reliable

[@bobbyz23]

It's a money pit if you can't do your own repairs ,or go to the Mercedes dealership instead of a local Benz repair shop.

[@mrapter7]

Yep exactly! I can tackle super simple stuff and have a trusted shop near me. Super reasonable and realistic with repairs!

[@closer71]

The C207 from 2010-2012 is a fantastic car. Not as complicated as the 2013+ engines, just a straight forward 382 hp beast. I wanted a coupe and coming out of a 2009 W221 S550 AMG just loved that engine but wanted sportier and smaller, less b.s. to maintain...and it was a great move. Love it.

[@mrapter7]

S class is always hard with its cutting edge tech and features. Lots to maintain. E class is most certainly more livable (minus what engine you choose). Btw, no such thing as a s550 AMG 😉

[@closer71]

@@mrapter7 Sure there is. It's an appearance package. Look it up. But I must admit that I miss having Nightview assist.

[@mrapter7]

Yes. But that’s not an AMG. Sport trim, yes. But not an AMG car. It has no AMG suspension, engine, brakes or any other components other than wheels maybe like mine does. S550 Sport Trim is a truer depiction of what it is. There are limitless amounts of people putting AMG badges on everything because it has certain fog lights or wheels. Mine has night mode as well, and I can’t say I get much use out of it with my driving conditions but it’s a cool party truck

[@closer71]

@@mrapter7 my god shut up

[@RossEnzo]

Yep those the 5.5 is just such a better engine.

[@mrapter7]

Agreed! Great sound. Not complex. Basic maintenance and it’ll last you forever

[@bulmear2531]

yess

[@MontagaAMGDrope]

My E550 is solid sorry for you though brother

[@mrapter7]

So is mine! Just tons of miles and known issues that’s gotta get sorted😂 about 25k a year or so. Love them, but I’ll get a lower mile example my next one 😬 gotta pay to play

[@eldridgederring9325]

Confused... does his 550 have conventional springs & not AirMatic?

[@mrapter7]

Yes it does

[@eldridgederring9325]

@@mrapter7 thanks, was that an option or did e550's come standard w conventional springs?

[@mrapter7]

Airmatic is always an option on these

[@eldridgederring9325]

@@mrapter7 starting in 2012 I believe... They appear to be standard on E500s & E550s up until 2011. It's important to me bc I don't want air suspension.

[@mrapter7]

Ordering from the factory you can choose airmatic vs standard suspension AFAIK. It may be not standard and uncommon but so was it to find it in a 2013. You definitely want the air suspension over getting the m278, trust me. If you had to pick one evil, pick air suspension. You can always convert later.

[@Azhang22]

I have same one but with airmatic, let me tell you about this car being a money pit lol

[@jweezywooden4378]

I have the same car I agree but I love this damn car it’s wild lol i think im at like 7k But I paid it off 4yrs ago and yea they are pricey Lol the damn radiator is 908$ at Benz lol 😂 but if I get it thro them they warranty it Any where eels 2-300$ Air bags did go out it was an air line … Crack on the driver side …. Love the natural aspirated Never got the turbo I wish I had one this tuned will go fast as shit basically stage 2 tune is like an E63 With the E550 with the turbo ….

[@mrapter7]

Stage 1 m157 e63s gets you to 700hp and over 800lb ft. Impressive stuff! The Lower displacement, slightly smaller turbos and slightly different and non-forged internals puts me at 500+ and 680lb ft. I’ll keep it 😂

[@richardwaggoner2548]

Ive done the same thing=all this luxury and performance for cheap! There is a reason these cars have such poor resale! Sophisticated systems that are expensive to maintain

[@mrapter7]

To be fair - just the engine. The 212 platform in general rarely has issues. 145k in and the chassis has given me 0 issues. Choose an N.A. V8 or any other variant and you’ll be golden. It’s just the m278 early editions that are finicky

[@mercedese5507]

BE THANKFUL, DUDE! I bought a 2007 E550 from a low ball scammer. I blame myself. It has the balance shaft issue. Gotta tear it apart and replace the balance shaft sprocket which is a bad design. This car eats gas! Not cool. One must PAY to play. I get 26.7 mpg on the freeway, around town more like 5mpg with out a lead foot. Set staggered wheel base. EXPENSIVE to buy tires, no matter how you try to cut corners. $1200 to $1800 per set. I can name many other items that must be replaced that will keep your time on this car! All designed to break your bank and or steer you into a NEW car.

[@mrapter7]

It’s definitely not as maintenance friendly as a w212! The turbos and engine in general make this super efficient. I get better fuel economy than I did in my V6 before. 17-19 city when I’m putting around and about 26-28 on the highway The w212 has its fair share of faults too - I’m looking at a subframe replacement in the next year or so due to inherent rust issues, turbos in another 20-30k miles 😩 Pay to play is right. So far I don’t regret a single cent. It makes for good content haha

[@JohnTaylor-bd1uy]

I found one that's well maintained with 96,000 miles. It's a 2007. I found a BMW 325ci drop top thats in stunning condition with 88 000 miles. Avoid the E550?

[@aaronwall4802]

@@JohnTaylor-bd1uy get the 550 bro just make sure it has no engine lights they worth the drive with the power you’ll love it

[@mrapter7]

If it’s a non turbo e550 I’d take that over ANYTHING else, amazing sound, drive, looks etc. the turbo engines are super fun and extremely powerful but not as reliable long term

[@mercedese5507]

@@mrapter7 None of the E550's from 2007 to 2009 0r up to 10 are not turbo they are all naturally asp

[@josephguastella8037]

Have E550 caborlet easy to work on and bulletproof...

[@mrapter7]

Unfortunately - absolutely unequivocally not bulletproof. The older m273 engines are much much better and could be called bulletproof. But the m278 twin turbo? LOL

[@josephguastella8037]

​@@mrapter7i cant soeak with others but owned since new unmolested all original done all work myself maintenance is not Complicated, as on my Porsche and other cars and been trouble free for all most 10 years thats bulletproof for me wish my other cars were the same

[@mikesukotto4930]

10:49 dumb statement for people to say to anyone who owns Mercedes but to be honest it's a car that is European and has a turbo in it and and has a hundred thousand miles of course your going to be spending on it lol the car is used🤷🏾‍♂️ i have a few family members that has the w212 the 320 and the 500 and they only had to fix small problems that didn't cost alot except for Air matic suspension it's was expensive other than that the cars are still running strong till this day mileage is damn near almost 200,000 miles

[@mrapter7]

Lighten up my guy, it’s a joke

[@mikesukotto4930]

@@mrapter7 nah I'm not coming at you I just wanted you to know like the content you put on this channel cept for the freestyle lol. keep at 🔥

[@mrapter7]

Lmaoooo yeah bro I was 14 (music still a huge part of my life tho) and did a cover on some viral video. 12+ years ago. Kept it public due to the sheer views it has and comments. I STILL get comments on it all these years later 😂

[@rezzo_6fn659]

I’m literally looking at one for around 14k and idk if I wanna get that or a 2010 E63 AMG for 19k. Choices choices choices

[@mrapter7]

E63 no brainer…. It’s the last iconic 6.2 n/an and 100% will be a future sought after classic. Especially compared to a turbo 550. Those 2010’s may have headbolt issues that can be fixed if they haven’t been already. Other than that they’ll go forever. But 19k sounds like it’s got some miles on it. No worries as long as it’s taken care of. I’d never buy another twin turbo Benz again

[@rezzo_6fn659]

@@mrapter7 lol, I don’t blame you after all the money you spent on this one. The E63 I’m looking at has 116k miles on it. Just sold my C63 that had 147k on it. Had it for 2 years and all I changed was the brakes, water pump and tensioner. The M156 is a great engine. Thanks for the advice

[@mrapter7]

@rezzo_6fn659 oh then you know all about these engines. E63 no brainer

[@rezzo_6fn659]

@@mrapter7 💯 I’ll definitely pick it up

[@RegoTVs]

how can you tell if the issue is the chain tensioner or cam adjuster? Looking at a potential car, and it rattles on startup for a good 5-10 seconds and then it stops.

[@mrapter7]

If it sounds more like a rattle than a tapping, that’s usually the sign. If you want, take the oil cap off, keep it close to the hole so it doesn’t spray oil, but give it a little space. Have someone Turn on the car, if it sounds louder and is coming from the oil fill location, then its chain. You’ll also hear this clunking or knocking sound of its an adjuster. Chain / tensioners are VASTLY more common than the adjusters. It’s about a $2k fix from a good independent mechanic. If it hasn’t had the work done yet, and is making the noise, consider the miles & how long it may be having that issue. You could use the repair estimate as leverage for getting a great deal.

[@RegoTVs]

@@mrapter7 thank you for the quick response! fantastic W212 channel. hope I can get the perfect one

[@mrapter7]

Thank you! Appreciate the support!

[@RegoTVs]

@@mrapter7 just for reference-- is this sound the cam adjusters? op changed the tensioner and still rattles on start kzbin.info/www/bejne/gKDTZ4ljf9OYmKM

[@mrapter7]

That sounds more like valvetrain at the end due to drained / new oil. Should only happen on very first start after this job.

[@drewgreenhalgh9162]

That’s a shame man. Mine has been incredibly reliable. Both of them.

[@mrapter7]

If you have the m273 NA they are very reliable. And the w212 chassis in general is great. It’s just my engine choice. That being said I’d love to see a compression test on any engine post 120k

[@dannyalvarez8733]

2011 E550 104k reliable? Lost a 08 g35 and I want to try something new I’m interested in the e350 but the e550 is kinda calling my name

[@mrapter7]

2011 with the 5.5 is a great engine. These cars are overall very reliable it really comes down to your engine choice. The 5.5 is a great engine. Be prepared to spend ti maintain

[@pesomonstar]

@@mrapter7im getting a 550 5.5 what should i do to it first ? trying to reach 500hp

[@mrapter7]

@pesomonstar you can’t lol. The only thing you can do for these engines performance wise is a tune for about a 20hp gain, maybe some downpipes for another handful. Like the most you’re stretching the 382hp to is like 420ish max on an ethanol blend. If you wanted tuneability and potential, you should have bought a boosted motor. Unlike the LS or American V8s, there’s no real path here unless you wanna dump 30k into building one which makes 0 sense because just buy an m156 as that has a huge aftermarket, but still limited in what else can be pushed out.

[@pesomonstar]

@@mrapter7 could i engine swap it

[@mrapter7]

Best engine and easiest to do as it’s done constantly is the m113k from the e55 w211. I think you can build it to have 4matic as well if you want. That’s a supercharged v8. Most reliable engine they’ve made in a long time. 250k miles +++

[@chrisholm9789]

Ok so first item on your list is a tune? Lmao that’s your fault.

[@mrapter7]

Of course! Healthy motor, fluids changed, why not? Then, when maintenance was needed, it got done with no expense spared. Can’t see anything wrong In that!

[@chrisholm9789]

@@mrapter7 ya I get that but you included it in your “money pit” costs didn’t you?

[@mrapter7]

Yep, I included it in my own video about my own expenses on my own vehicle! Wouldn’t have bought it if I didn’t tune it … otherwise jusy go older N/A. Besides, it’s easy enough to detract that one line item from the total. Thanks for watching!

[@JamesTheRealSpeaker3.0_]

I can't find that facebook group. Does it still exist?

[@mrapter7]

Of course! 175k members strong

[@JamesTheRealSpeaker3.0_]

@mrapter7 Well damn, I need to find it 🤔🤔🤔. About to get a 2010 E500 in pristine condition 😁. Cheers for the reply!

[@JamesTheRealSpeaker3.0_]

​@mrapter7 Oh, and great vid. Clean kicks too, bro.

[@mrapter7]

@JamesTheRealSpeaker3.0_ search “Mercedes w212 / 207 owners club, owned and moderated by Amir. Great guy, coded and unlocked some awesome stuff in my car

[@mrapter7]

@JamesTheRealSpeaker3.0_ just added it to the video description!

[@dit.p2598]

Therefore M272 and M273

[@mrapter7]

M272 is a v6 - but yep, m273 is the way to go for a 550!

[@tumags]

looking into a 2010 E550 but can only find ones with 50k-70k miles. can’t find too many things on this car online. or they’re deep. but is this even a good first V8 merc? i’ve been wanting a V8 Mercedes sedan for a while and i found some good looking options for a few 2010’s. is this the move? or should i look at other options

[@mrapter7]

If you’re gonna get a V8 Merc, a w212 n/a like you’re looking at is your best bet, aside from maybe a w211 e55 or e500. Simple motors relatively and you’ll see 150k+ easily with good maintenance. 50k ? Baby miles. Don’t even blink man. Get a hood PPI, find a good Indy mechanic and you’ll be a very happy driver. I bought my more complicated m278 turbo e550 with 108k on it. That’s not recommended 😂

[@tumags]

@@mrapter7 super fast response time dude, love that. probably gonna pull the trigger now! probably gonna do a little more research to see what all i’d have to do to squeeze at least 550-600whp reliably. but until then, stock daily! appreciate the help man💙

[@mrapter7]

You are NOT going to get that much power. Period. Unless you go custom super charger and a whole other mess. I’m sorry to burst a bubble. The best way is to get a twin turbo and tune to stage 2 with downpipes. That will get you 540hp /700ft lb. The 5.5 n/a with a tune gets you maybe 400, other hardware like downpipes, exhaust etc can net you around 420 or so. There are supercharger kits for this car. At about $14k a pop.

[@mrapter7]

One of the benefits of the N/A is it’s crazy reliability for what it is. Less power than a boosted motor, but less headaches. Enjoy the car, did a basic tune, get some high flow filters and enjoy the car

[@tumags]

@@mrapter7 might just be a daily then and stick to LS’s for power. or pull the trigger on a 6.3 one day and boost it. really appreciate the advice man.

[@yoknowkyoknow9935]

2012 e550 4 matic reliable? 134k miles for 5k on market rn

[@mrapter7]

Absolutely not. Get the older 2011 or nothing at all

[@yoknowkyoknow9935]

@@mrapter7 how about a 2012 e350?

[@yoknowkyoknow9935]

@@mrapter7 man I just seen a 2011 like you said but it has 167k miles for 5k :(

[@mrapter7]

@yoknowkyoknow9935 I’d take a m273 with 160k over a m278 with 100k

[@yoknowkyoknow9935]

@@mrapter7 is it worth buying with 167k miles for 5k? No check engine just a sensor code for be on coil overs? In market that’s why and these e550 v8 sound beautiful or is that much miles over kill

[@grottu]

Those cars ain’t hard to work on, just a lot of unscrewing. You cutting costs by more than half if doing it yourself and then it’s not really that much for luxury car what’s driven hard. If driven in grandma mode they last a very long time and real pricy problems starting when age comes closer to 20….wires, plugs, sensors, computers, controllers, they have a lot of them and it never ends

[@mrapter7]

A standard 212? Yes absolutely. This engine? Not really. Early versions are pretty short lived unfortunately. I’d also like to say that working DIY on this engine and how tight things are, and special tools you might need, it’s a little different than an older e550 or regular 350. Overall yeah it’s just a car, everything else about it is simple. I have a buddy of mine with a single bay garage do all my normal maintenance like brakes, tires, suspension etc. I bring it to specialists for the engine and driveline stuff. I’m not mechanic myself outside of spark plugs and oil changes, the odd brake job. But, I’m super limited on time so it is what it is.

[@grottu]

@@mrapter7 correct. That’s why I got e350 to drive around, fully loaded. In Canada you drive in grandma mode so anything else would be useless…109kph and 119kph on two lanes. Air suspension ain’t that expensive either, a lot of replacement parts, compressor 400$, set of front struts 350$ CAD….my pickup have more expensive parts. “Original” Mercedes shop software is a must, there’s absolutely everything there, together with step by step pictures, torque specs and such, no matter what you are replacing. For average customer without know how? Audi, bmw or Mercedes would ruin you just on labour.

[@mrapter7]

@grottu yes! I made a video about grabbing the hardware for DIY star, as well as where to source the software or a assisted install service from a trusted source (hard to fine these days) But yes your right, everything else but specific engine choices are no more scary to do than on an Accord. After all, this is literally the accord of Germany

[@ericsilverado7757]

"The first thing i did was get a tune." Mistake #1

[@mrapter7]

Not really true with these platforms. Stage 1 tune has been run on some of these engines for over 100k miles with no real issues. With no hardware mods needed, the tune is well within Mercedes own specs. This engine is extremely under tuned from the factory. Can’t have the e class have more power than a s class or sl with the same engine. Can’t also have it produce almost the same or more than a 63. And the 63 can be extremely safely tuned to 700+ hp and be as reliable as stock. That being said, there were issues with this motor when I bought it that didn’t surface (and I didn’t check on and didn’t really know as much as I do now, hence the KZbin channel to share my experience) My new engine had 42k miles and has been tuned since it was put in. As long as heat is in check on these, you’re fine. Reliability aside, it’s a killer platform for cheap power

[@didafm]

I would buy a lexus Is500 instead

[@mrapter7]

Awesome choice

[@doylehargrave233]

Early M273….steer clear…

[@mrapter7]

M273 is an incredibly robust engine aside from head bolts. Which, is a minor repair and cost compared to things happening to my 278 now

[@Masteryoda1982]

No that’d be a 2013 Toyota Prius, $19,000 total in repairs over 3.5 years. 😂 Give me a Mercedes any day, at least I’d be comfortable and safe. F@&$ modern Toyotas! Complete junk! 19k + 25k with interest worlds most expensive gas saving nightmare! The thing about a Mercedes is you likely could have gotten away with 1k but payed 9k in dealer labor costs. lol

[@scottschlitz6759]

tune + old Mercedes = no money left. DUMB.....

[@mrapter7]

I got plenty left 😉 but yes it’s a super dumb idea for the most part on this engine I can’t fault you there 😂

[@maviblue1168]

Can you talk little bit faster ;)

[@mrapter7]

Go ahead and use the x0.25 if it’s too fast haha

[@keltecdan]

I think I’ll stick with a Lexus gs430.

[@mrapter7]

An amazing car! Not quite the performance capability just from software but the ultimate luxury cruiser that will never break down! I was looking at gs460s before this too. What year did you get?

[@keltecdan]

@@mrapter7 I’m looking at getting one and the Mercedes was a possible contender. I used to have a 99 Lexus es300 I bought with 112k and donated it a while back with over 375k and still working strong.

[@mrapter7]

Lexus is a great car. I think Mercedes has the full package, that being power and performance, but at the cost of reliability for sure. It’s pretty robust! However it’s still a 70k car so it’s gonna need 70k car repairs haha

[@Rafymon98]

Mercedes is not for Posers, either you know how to work on them or you have deep pockets. So stop wining.

[@mrapter7]

😂😂😂 Idk what this comment is supposed to mean. Read the title! I have no problem fixing this car! I do some DIY some at my local Indy. I love the thing and it gets all the attention it needs. You should reconsider what “deep pockets” really is 😉

[@Backwardlooking]

Love my S212 Estate (Wagon) . The last distinctive and stylish Mercedes before they became anodyne and later totally ugly aiming at the Chinese market. Just look or rather not look at the enormous B.M.W. Kidney grilles or the equally ugly Audis. A generational change in styling. Still have my Bruno Sacco W201 190E from new. 👍🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@mrapter7]

I agree! W212 was the last real unique design, in a sense. The prefacelift I have is the last E class with double headlights up front

[@Backwardlooking]

@@mrapter7 ❤️

[@ccvtzvdv]

that's a typical grandfather's car. I wouldn't spend money for this.

[@mrapter7]

An E220 or e350? Sure. A tuned twin turbo V8 with more power than a e63 with better maintenance intervals? Can’t agree with that, really. Either way, I drive it like a grandpa half the time anyways, I’ve grown up - until I need to pass. It’s a fantastic car.

[@jackhart99]

What an ignorant response. Tells me you’ve actually never driven one of these cars. They are beautifully designed and engineered. I’ve had 2 911s and a Corvette - all put smiles on my face - but this car is just as special and engaging. I love the fact that our little group of owners on the W212 site all understand.