The Mikoyan-Gurevich Ye-8; Original MiG-23

[@thefrecklepuny]

YE-8: "The Eurofighter consortium never told you what happened to your father" Typhoon "They told me enough! They told me you out manoeuvred him" YE-8: "No, I am your father..." Typhoon: "Nooooo!!!!'' YE-8 "Search your canards. You know it to be true".

[@Zorglub1966]

🤣

[@xmlthegreat]

Aw hell that gave me a good chuckle. The resemblance truly is uncanny though

[@Einwetok]

LOL, thought you were doing a Viggen crossover, this one's better. Seems the design was "popular"!

[@TheRibbonRed]

J-10: "Somehow... I've always known."

[@Tigershark_3082]

I wonder where the Lavi fits into all of this...

[@kimarykorlumiose7728]

when a Typhoon and a MiG-21 love each other very much...

[@nickkorkodylas5005]

[CYKA BLYAT IN POLISH ACCENT INTENSIFIES]

[@freethinker5651]

Lol the British copied Russia

[@sergio9722]

@@freethinker5651 chinese copied this with J-10

[@me262omlett]

Then the Fieseler Fi 156 stork comes by and…

[@CEOofCulturalMarxism]

@@me262omlett lol

[@Paladin1873]

Sounds like the pilot was tougher than the aircraft. I'm glad he survived.

[@bholdr----0]

Yeah, each time the host said 'unfortunately', or 'but then', I thought he was going to say that the pilot died... what an ordeal. I hope he was decorated for his service. (even though he was a dirty red commie... just kidding- what an amazing story: that was/is? a tough guy and prob an amazing pilot)

[@justat1149]

Really interesting to see the in-between airframe created to move from the -21 to the -23. It honestly looks like a MiG-21 with the nose of a F-16 if it was designed in the 60’s. Very unique and interesting aircraft

[@michaelgautreaux3168]

Good point & I would like to add a counter. The F-16 really reminds me of a "shrunken" F-8. Funnier still is that LTV helped w/ F-16 landing gear and the F-16N 😉

[@iqqmut79]

And how much this resembles the Typhoon! or vice versa…

[@jehoiakimelidoronila5450]

Diverting from topic, i like the fact that you have that decal in front of your t114... 😆

[@raidbandit1283]

Looks more like the Typhoon than the F-16

[@l.bakker7563]

@@raidbandit1283 nah. This plane actually has seperated elevators.

[@rickb1973]

Probably not the best ideas to test a new airframe, a new engine, and a new ejection seat....all at the same time.

[@moss8448]

well hopefully they were tested on the ground then applied later on

[@Farweasel]

We've got a great new fighter/interceptor capable of operating well above mach 2. Hey. We've got a brilliant new ejectors seat which will work up to 800 kph Wow - That's almost 0.7 mach - Let's get it fitted! I mean honestly, you do wonder at times how geniuses can be so, well, kind of plain stupid, don't you?

[@billdewahl7007]

@@Farweasel To be fair, it was the early 60s and the prospects of surviving supersonic ejection are rather low without some sort of shielding.

[@cactuslietuva]

@@Farweasel I mean the test pilot survived eject well above mach 1. Even today ejection above mach 1 is considered risky for the pilot because of how much stress he gonna sustain.

[@Farweasel]

@@billdewahl7007 I agree Bill but That was kind of embedded in the point I was raising.(cactuslietuva echoes that ~ Its a very risky option)

[@andrewharper3165]

Gotta admire the Soviets willingness to dare try and fail then bounce back. Looks like a J10 from top but a Eurofighter from the front.

[@muaz91]

It's a beautiful plane and as you say surprisingly modern in appearance.

[@yoochoob1858]

Thank you so much for a genuinely interesting obscure aircraft to distract us from the dire news elsewhere.. Everyone needs some unwind time occasionally.

[@docnele]

The major problem of Ye-8 was its engine, deemed too "raw" and with too much bugs that could not be sorted for the time. Ye-8 was superseded with later "Fishbed" variants with Sapfir-21 deemed "well enough" for the time. Sapfir-23 was ready for production much later, it happened even after the introduction of "true" early MiG-23S, and even at the beggining of second edition of the MiG-23 (so-called "without letter", 1971-72 ) there was a version with simplified Sapfir-23 without official name but dubbed MiG-23L!

[@derbaron7818]

It seems the MiG office learned at least something from this project as this setup reminds me a bit of the later MiG 1.44 which you could make a good video about too.

[@nickkorkodylas5005]

And the J-10. If you see the earlier designs of J-7 concept replacements you will notice this certain delta wing, canard, low intake configuration was often flirted with until it matured into J-10. With that as well as MiG-MFI's semblance to both the final J-10 and the J-20 it's rather apparent that Mikoyan sold their shit to the PRC to cut losses after Sukhoi practically dethroned them from Russia's cutting edge fighter developer with the Su-27 family.

[@bigblue6917]

Ye-8 sounds like something made in Newcastle. Interesting idea. It did remind me of what they did to the North American F-100. The North American F-107. But in that case the air intakes were on top rather than underneath. The F-107 also did not make it into service either.

[@babboon5764]

We know you'll like this aeroplane *so* much you'll not want to get out anyway ....... So we put the air scoops right behind the cockpit? The floggings *will continue* until morale improves !

[@daviddowney9331]

At Wright-Pat, the curator said the F107 test pilots were terrified of ejecting in front of the bird splitter on the intake!

[@thekinginyellow1744]

Besides the bird splitter, I seem to remember the intake having airflow issues at high angles of attack.

[@babboon5764]

@@thekinginyellow1744 From an aerodynamic point of view that would make considerable sense ......... You're unlikely to get the problem the other way around (with intakes below the body) because its unlikley you'll put your nose down and hold it there for more than a moment. But place them above .........

[@bigblue6917]

@@babboon5764 Imagine ejecting right in front of the air intakes.

[@mbryson2899]

Thank you for sharing your apparently encyclopedic knowledge, Mr. Nash.

[@300guy]

Wow, that really is shockingly 1990's from the front.

[@jirivorobel942]

Just a side note regarding nomenclature: "Ye" is the English transcription of a single letter, just like the Sh in GSh or PPSh, not YE (Y only exists in the Latin alphabet). BTW most Eastern designations that are an abbreviation of the chief designer's name should be read as one syllable unless capitalized (MiG is an exception), so Mi, not M-I for Mil, An, not A-N, for Antonov, Su (pronounced soo like in soot) for Sukhoi, etc.

[@babboon5764]

So is 'Ye' the phonetic sound of the cyrillic letter? (Like we say 'Psi' for the greek letter that looks like a squidged trident?) And what is the actual cyrillic letter?

[@GregStachowski]

@@babboon5764 The cyrillic letter is 'E'

[@babboon5764]

@@GregStachowski Is it pronounced 'ee' as in English 'E' too? Mindful 'B' as in 'Bostock' is pronounced 'vee' 'Vostock'

[@jirivorobel942]

@@babboon5764 In Russian and the other aggressor-speak it's pronounced "ye", as in yes; in Russian it makes a short, weak "ee" when unstressed. In Ukrainian, Bulgarian and South Slavic languages it's pronounced "e", as in bed.

[@halolime117]

Wow, the plane looks so sleek, really cool!

[@jfrorn]

I don’t know how you do it but you consistently feature some of my favorite ‘odd’ aircraft of the last century, blows my mind…

[@dbwindhorst1]

I'm old enough to remember when NATO applied the "MiG23" label (codename Flipper) to the Ye-152a; still have a couple books from the mid-1960s listing it as such.

[@vasopel]

correct but it is 152 not 162 ;-) "The MiG-23 was an erroneous designation applied by western intelligence observers to the Ye-152A after the display at Tushino in 1961. 'The World's fighting Planes' 4th Ed. by William Green and published by Macdonald: London in 1964, mentions the MiG-23 "Flipper" known today as the Ye-152"

[@dbwindhorst1]

@@vasopel Ooops -- typo fixed. :>) Indeed, I still have from that vintage a copy of the same editorial team's "Macdonald Aircraft Handbook."

[@vasopel]

@@dbwindhorst1 :-)

[@dbwindhorst1]

@@vasopel I had just been to the Wiki entry for the 150 series (my memory needs refreshing a *lot*...), which also mentions the "Ye-166", so might just have well have typed "Ye-156."

[@paoloviti6156]

Very interesting video on the YE-8 because I never heard about this interesting airplane but nearly killed the test pilot. It is interesting to that there is a mix of airplanes including somehow the F-16 as well.

[@tricosteryl]

The aerodynamic configuration was a decade ahead of what was studied in the west. But good aerodynamics do not make an aircraft... control and engine are required

[@paoloviti6156]

@@tricosteryl the truth was that the Russians were not stupid and had very capable people. If I may, I might say the engineers and aerodynamics had more restricted funds but possibly more practical approaches...

[@tricosteryl]

@@paoloviti6156 Yes, in addition we can say that USSR was not in the logic of making profit, so they could investigate some ideas further because the "ROI" was not dependant on benefits.

[@aaronlopez3585]

Thank you so much Ed, I love it when you bring the Migs to the table, appreciate it.

[@jehoiakimelidoronila5450]

The wing planform (minus the canards) & the intake underneath reminds me of the n-102 "fang" that you made a vid previously

[@michaelgautreaux3168]

👍👍 love this "Hottie"! Makes the Mig's 29 & 1.42/44 that much more appealing! Calls to mind the Mig 19 based SM 12/1-4. They entail intake changes that added 220+ mph in speed. Many thanx. Be safe 🦊

[@gunner678]

Beautiful aircraft. I remember instructing on this aircraft many years ago, as a curiosity. Indeed the Fishbed and flogger too, along with many many others. Captain Scarlet lol.

[@babboon5764]

OK I'll bite if everyone else is too shy to ask ........ How the HELL did someone whose name does not end in 'ski' or start 'bin' end up instructing on Soviet fighter / interceptors?

[@gunner678]

@@babboon5764 at last, thank you. Aircraft recognition instructor, British army lol. I wondered if anyone would bight. I made it deliberately ambiguous, so thank you for noticing. We had a concept photo of this one, which we would deal into photos (slides) along with the prototype Euro fighter, when it was still a concept of course. They look very similar from some aspects. Anyway, you can rest now lol. Thanks for the comment!😉

[@HOTSHTMAN53]

YEEEE-8, SKIRT, YEEE-8, SKIRT 🎶

[@thegodofhellfire]

Great looking aircraft!

[@janwitts2688]

Honestly... my brain was identifying 3 different aircraft when I looked at that thumbnail ..... Really the mig 21 really just needed the cockpit moved up a bit with an all round canopy

[@egoalter1276]

The MiG 21 needed a completely redesigned nose and wings, and preferably a turbofan engine. This, with the wings off a J7-E, and a modern engine would probably perform well in a 1990s context.

[@billpugh58]

This is really interesting. I have never seen this before. It has elements of the Mig 21, F105, Mig 23, Upside down F107 (or F16), Tu28 and Saab Viggen. But of course its its own design. Many thanks for the documentary.

[@tommueller2338]

The controls of the XB-70A air intake were also manually as development was not finished. Not unusual for an early development stage. What happened to the second Ye-8? I can't find any current pictures. Has it been scrapped?

[@EdNashsMilitaryMatters]

I must admit I dont know, but assume it was scrapped.

[@galvaniclegend917]

This thing is gorgeous, interesting to see how it differs from the actual MiG-23.

[@tricosteryl]

Always fascinating, and very good subject ! Thank you very much ! Just to say that the aircraft of Russia / USSR, get their official name once contrated to equip the VVS. So that aircraft could have be the Mig23 if he had managed to enter service. But this aircraft is not an answser to the same requirements of the actual Mig23 (which is an aircraft of twice the weight)

[@ramondulvur]

The "Ye" in Ye-8 are not two seperate letters pronounced "why-ee". It is phonetic spelling of one letter in the Russian alphabet and is pronounced as a one word "ye" (similar to "yeah").

[@jamesbugbee6812]

Amongst yourany other productive achievements, I am very pleased that you can give recognition 2 a pilot who up 'til now was hidden behind the very annoying iron curtain censorship.

[@TheSager07]

Before the typhoon there was the typhoonski

[@sparky4878]

Before Typhoon there was EAP.

[@amandastevenson4948]

I'm finally stumped I'm forgotten weapons of planes you got me

[@glhx2112]

It's a shame this Jet did not fly as good as it looks.

[@TheGranicd]

It did. Its just that engine didnt.

[@jehoiakimelidoronila5450]

The ye-8 is also mentioned in pilot photog if y'all are interested

[@Kickback-dm7zt]

Excellent video as always.. Can you do a video on the Mig-27 please.

[@8BitDane]

That was a very effective looking aircraft.

[@babboon5764]

Elegant in fact.

[@comradeiosif2794]

How could the Soviets have honestly thought the final MiG-23 was better than the prototype?

[@babboon5764]

Like Ed says, the Ye-8 evolved from the MiG-21 to be a hyper-agile dogfighter. But before they'd even finished development, Soviet tactical thinking was echoing the UK's with the EE Lightning ..... 'Screw agility - Just go very, *very* , fast to meet a fleet-footed bomber incursion'.

[@stuew6]

what about MiG3 and MiG21 and LaGG3

[@mikepette4422]

So you haven't mentioned the Canards ! That's the most revolutionary part of that plane if you ask me. At least for the 1960's jet design.

[@IMCDundee]

I've never seen the Ye-8 referred to as a MiG-23,but the Ye-152A was erroniously referred to as MiG-23 Flipper after appearing at Tushino in 1961, this (the Ye-152A) was also very close to the Shenyang J8-I, more source matter for another vid? ) "The other,other MiG-23?"

[@RedXlV]

In that case, it was NATO mistakenly assuming the Ye-152A would be designated MiG-23. Whereas with the Ye-8, it was Artem Mikoyan himself who initially expected it to be adopted as the MiG-23.

[@IMCDundee]

@@RedXlV Except that NATO (IIRC) only refers to most aircraft by a reporting name, anything else (such as the MiG-23 bit) usually has to be confirmed from other sources (makers,official bodies). In the RA tests on air rec, it was sufficient to say 'Hostile FISHBED' and leave it at that.

[@hugopama2272]

Simplemente bellos, hermosos e impresionantes!!🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🛩🛩

[@L_U-K_E]

Does look alot like the Eurofighter

[@andresgarcia7757]

It’s a shame this aircraft didn’t reach production; I think it would have been a better aircraft than the actual mig-23

[@egoalter1276]

It qlmost cettainly would have. The Flogger was severly limited by the unrelyability of its wing hinges, and couldnt leverage its BVR capabilities because of delays with the radar for far too long. Furthermore, the R24 was a very basic engine, that only really increased in size compared to the MiG21, while the R21 300 was a meaningful performance upgrade, and probably would have allowed the soviets to keep the engine performance gap with the west somewhat closer.

[@HankyInTheTanky]

Can you do a video of the MiG 1.44 Flatpak

[@shahriarkhan1220]

That Ye8 looks like a prototype of Typhoon with a single engine

[@neohimself]

The similarity to the Typhoon is striking. If you cut off the rear behind the main wing and move the vertical stabilizer forward you have a small Typhoon. Someone at Eurofighter looked at the YE-8, then looked at the data of delta-canards being the most manueverable and came up with the Typhoon design pretty quickly.

[@FullThrottleRacing535]

You're very wrong about the development of the typhoon

[@neohimself]

@@FullThrottleRacing535 Wow, no one messes with you, smart ass.

[@stay_at_home_astronaut]

Good video. Ed, did the shipment of old web gear by the spitfire guys make it to UKR?

[@EdNashsMilitaryMatters]

Yep, 4 shipments so far and a fifth on the way from what I understand.

[@moss8448]

what was the one encountered in Nam most of the time?

[@allancarey2604]

Is it just me or does the Chinese J-10 (particularly the 1st models) have more than a passing resemblance to the Ye-8?

[@charliesilverwood3608]

compare the j10 to the isreali lavi, very clear where the relationship is from

[@skaldlouiscyphre2453]

@@charliesilverwood3608 The Lavi is much smaller and was primarily intended for air-to-ground. Chengdu's own J-9 seems much more likely to be what the J-10 project was developed from. Anything shared with the Lavi would be under the skin with similarities in appearance being coincidental. The head of the J-10 project was involved with the J-9 project prior to it's cancellation.

[@terranghost2773]

For some reason the YE-8 kinda reminds me Eurofighter Typhoon

[@PvtPartzz]

I see a lot of similarities with this aircraft and the Chinese fighters developed later on. Painted white, I mistook it for a J-10 at first. It looks like a hybrid mig 21 and J-10

[@JohnyG29]

When MiG-21 rear-ends a Typhoon.

[@joseveintegenario-nisu1928]

How long did it take for soviets to implement 'Area Rule' on MiG fuselages? The interesting soviet fighter is the MiG 25, called 'the terror of flying saucers', it has an onboard bulb computer, and a flame maintainer in turbine, insensitive to Electro Magnetic Pulses or EM Forces. Blessings +

[@HeavenlyMandate]

Any chance of you reviewing PLAAF prototypes soon?

[@EdNashsMilitaryMatters]

I did the nanchang j12 a while ago, but youtube demonitized the video almost immediately and wouldnt explain what the problem was with it. I can only conclude that chinese planes are not welcome on youtube so I probably wont do anymore. :(

[@skaldlouiscyphre2453]

@@EdNashsMilitaryMatters If you ever feel like testing KZbin's reaction the J-9 would definitely be appreciated.

[@WarblesOnALot]

@@EdNashsMilitaryMatters G'day, Sad to see how easily you capitulate to SpewChoob's pulling on your pecuniary Puppet-Strings. If you were serious about making the Videos which you find interesting, then you would make and post whatever takes your fancy ; regardless of whether or not SpewChoob wants to suck up to Fu Manchoo, also known as Winnie the Pooh(Tin Enabler). By permitting yourself to be steered, thus, by YT refusing to pay you for having fun making self directed Movies which they host and distribute for free ; you become a willing "Shill" for whatever be the "Forces" who are apparently attempting to suppress knowledge of History - least such awareness might impede the effectiveness of Advertising campaigns (by giving the Proletariat something to thunk aboot, other than what they most want to buy, NEXT...!). Such is life. Have a good one... Stay safe. ;-p Ciao !

[@RedXlV]

@@EdNashsMilitaryMatters Sigh. KZbin gonna KZbin.

[@benlaskowski357]

Wow! Looks like a Eurofighter!

[@quadri31]

same thoughts

[@dannya1854]

It looks extremely similar to the Chinese J-10 fighter jet. Perhaps they got some documents on this prototype and made their own design from that.

[@rogue__agent5884]

J-10 was bought by China from Israel

[@lokischildren8714]

It's the typhoons russian love child

[@steventoal6594]

The mig-23 had room to zoom.

[@Bananaskin101]

thats so Eurofighter-ish 🤔

[@raz562]

Not quite, the Eurofighter, is so Ye-8-ish

[@basty_gaming5750]

But it has a tail rather than just the Delta wing

[@OgrabliatorKorovanov]

5:59 that air intake reminds of F-16 a little bit

[@yogeshrane1134]

It's a wierd thing that most aircraft development we see from world war I onwards has some Russian/ Soviet person involved in the design or ideation and development

[@airbornegr4815]

Airbus: Bro, can I copy your homework? Mikoyan-Gurevich: Yeah, just change it up a bit so it doesn't look obvious you copied Airbus: Ok bro *makes the Eurofighter Typhoon*

[@sergio9722]

I think chinese copied this more

[@sparky4878]

Typhoon was based on the EAP.

[@manofcultura]

Those intakes are great going Mach 2. But good luck to you at high angles of attack and landing speeds.

[@imrekalman9044]

At high angle the nose redirects the air into the intake, providing enough air for the engine. Just like on the F-16.

[@MiKeMiDNiTe-77]

There was a lot of great Soviet in betweens...this beautiful jet should've been put into production even if in small numbers...🌟

[@pjotrtje0NL]

Given its very limited performance, that would have been a frivolous use of communist funds

[@JM64]

@@pjotrtje0NL limited performance? In what sense? Other than the issues stated in the video it was set to be a solid upgrade from the Mig-21

[@pjotrtje0NL]

@@JM64 read Yefim Gordon and Dmitriy Komissarov’s book on the MiG-23/27, then you’ll know

[@peterboy209]

MIG-23 Gripen from the early 60's, 👍

[@Justanotherconsumer]

The generations are clearer for the Soviet side than the American ones: first gen MiG-15, second gen MiG-21, third gen MiG-23, fourth gen MiG-29z The fifth generation never really materialized in the USSR, but the first four are easy.

[@justacomment1657]

Looks like typhone and F16 went back in time and had a child in soviet Russia... Looks right, verry elegant and quite modern for it's time.

[@captaindouchebag1703]

This reminds me of the of the F107 except the intake was behind and above the cockpit. Please do a video on the Crusader III, a very interesting what might have been.

[@SPak-rt2gb]

That intake looks like it can cause a lot of drag

[@professormadlad7773]

The Mig-23 does look like a hybrid between a Chinese J10 & Eurofighter.

[@soundknight]

Quite an attractive jet

[@bobrobert1123]

Good looking bird

[@RandyArmy]

Its look like lavi and J7

[@youravaragelowtierpilot.8099]

F-16: "Who are you?" Ye-8: "I'm you but Soviet and on crack"

[@borissljukic1470]

IAR 95 is another way of simmilar project.

[@Bob-b7x6v]

Canard-Delta, ahead of the curve...

[@videosbyme4u]

Eurofighter Typhoon is what I saw in thumbnail until......

[@alasseon99]

Granddad of EF 2000

[@imjashingyou3461]

Superficially it resembles the Typhoon, Grippen, and the J whatever of the Chinese airforce. Not bad company to keep.

[@vaclavkolar7677]

Eurofighter GmbH headquarters, Germany, 1995... European engineer 1: (sniffs a line) "Hell yeah Friedrich lets make fighter aircraft for entire europe!" European engineer 2: (sniffs a line aswell) "Ohh yes! But how? We´ve run out of ideas!" European engineer 1: Yo since east n west germany are one country again, do you remember that Ye-8 thing russians made in early 60s? Lets cut it in half and use the front part! European engineer 2: Helmut you fuckin genius!

[@Bob-b7x6v]

It looks like an upside-down Ultra-Saber.

[@JM64]

Shame it was abandoned after the catastrophic engine failure, a more reliable engine and a few more tweaks and the Soviets would have had a kick ass plane on their hands (not that soviet planes in general aren't wicked)

[@Capt_Mortis]

Eurofighters Grandfahter from the east. Looks like one.

[@nickkorkodylas5005]

_"Hey, comrade, how about we use an untested experimental ejection seat for our untested experimental supersonic prototype? This way we can save rubles with one test instead of two!"_ Peak commie moment.

[@sergeipohkerova7211]

"That's cool, but it needs more engine." "Aiight, we'll redesign it." "Nah, no need, just staple-gun it to the bottom of the plane."

[@jamesbugbee9026]

YE-8 'er, IDK. The orange on that pirated Sidewinder isn't bright enuff 2 properly flaunt it; try hot pink.

[@stevenhershman2660]

The Picture above looks like a Xb-70 Vulcary

[@maxdavidyermolaev4164]

damn it looked like a soviet f16

[@TheGranicd]

Coolest looking plane that never was.

[@mab2187]

J-10 lost brother Typhoon cousin

[@bizzle918]

Lot like the Chinese J-10...

[@TerbrugZondolop]

Incredible what the Soviets where doing back in the 50s and 60s!

[@Bob-b7x6v]

Guess this is how the Mirage 5 and Kfir happened.

[@Schlipperschlopper]

Looks like the soviet version of the Eurofighter Typhoon ;-)

[@Ballistikraft]

It's not "Y-E", but "Ye" for the Russian "E" sound. Like you're saying Mig instead of M-I-G...

[@lafeelabriel]

One of the many what ifs of Soviet aviation. And also one of the many to be scuppered by a unreliable engine to boot.

[@Farweasel]

They could really have been on to something with those cannards. In light of world events maybe fortunate they forgot about them for a long time.

[@lafeelabriel]

@@Farweasel Would make for a interesting what if, a world where the Ye-8 was the actual Mig-23..

[@curtisjordan5303]

When doing too much goes wrong. New engine, new intakes, new ejection seat, smh. If this aircraft project was handled the right way, I doubt the Fulcrum ever gets made. This thing had potential in the Yak-141 kind of way.

[@recnepsgnitnarb6530]

Looks like a Soviet version of a F-16.

[@emm6916]

Those Mig guys were way ahead in thinking look at the new typhoon