The MLM2PRO has one major problem….

[@kellypadgett9160]

Agree with all your comments in the video. Very frustrating for the individuals working on there short game nippers. 15yards and in. Thanks Joe

[@JLagGOLF]

Thanks for the comment mate yeah I can absolutely see that. The hardware is absolutely capable.. to me there just seems to be too much pre impact video. That's just my theory though I could be completely wrong in this. I'm sure Rapsodo are working on a fix 🤞🤞 they did have it working great a few firmwares ago.

[@DerekBraid]

My standard reply in the facebook group is "gotta pop it up into the air" when chipping with MLM2Pro. Short bump and runs simply do not read reliably, need to scoop it the air with a more lofted chip and the reads are far more reliable.

[@JLagGOLF]

Yes for sure... I checked my video from the last big test I did when they fixed chipping and it certainly used to be a LOT better a few updates ago.

[@glennmcilvenna3142]

i agree joe the chipping was much more stable a couple of firmware upgrades ago..thanks for the video and highlighting the issue

[@DavidKudellMusic]

The chipping is what made me return my MLM2Pro. I could deal with it myself but it was so frustrating when I’d play with friends and family and we’d have misreads. To compensate, you’d have to chip it too far because it reads longer chips better. So we’d be chipping over the green completely, then from the other side we’d chip it over the green the other way to land on the original spot. 😂 When you’re introducing sim golf to people who haven’t tried it and are used to real golf, it makes a bad first impression on them. Once I got a different launch monitor I had to convince them to give it another try.

[@JLagGOLF]

Yeah I completely understand that mate.. it's such a shame they had it fixed a while back! I was very happy with it.... It seems to have really dropped off. I really think it's just a camera sync issue and then the unit just doesn't have enough data to produce the shot.

[@baileymccoist3694]

what did you buy instead?

[@JjJj-yw1eu]

Just for testing, I wonder if elevating the unit and angling it slightly down would yield the same results? This almost seems like they should change its code so that anything under 8 yards it will rely mostly on radar and if it has to, omit spin.

[@MrMark274]

Tried that, same issues still

[@nickwilson4798]

Have you tried it without that annoying spotlight? Maybe its confusing the auto focus by dropping out of the light mid flight?

[@cronas12]

My guess is it is something to do with the club speed. I have noticed that the video clip is registering more of the club movement and not so muc of the ball. Maybe you could see if there is a certain club speed where it doesn't register using one of your other monitors. All the shots that registered seemed to be over 11mph

[@danrasmussen4658]

I am still having trouble with distance been emaiing them back and forth and coming up with nothing. If i shot it 20 to 40 yrds off. On my pw to 5 iron bthere is on 30 to 40 yrd difference. I have someone else hit and it reads his within 5 yrds of his actual distance off his clubs, it reads his 5 iron at 180 yrds. When we go golf on we hit similar yrds with same clubs. I got 2 day before my 30 daya return is up, im thinking about returning it. It too bad i really like the features of it

[@dustinhook6357]

I’ve noticed the same thing lately also, my chip shots in GSPro have been very frustrating lately.

[@apprazer]

I have the latest upgrade and had only several chipping misreads over the course of the round and it was at the beginning of play!

[@JLagGOLF]

That's good to know mate thanks for commenting! I'm sure they are working on a fix. Cheers

[@mintjuggler5437]

Joe for me I've noticed on short chips the club seems to block the ball from being picked up by the mlm2pro. If I add loft or distance then it picks it up. Thx for the vids

[@brdgolf1f814]

Yes. I agree with this as I have seen the same

[@hjlamb]

That's what I was thinking, too. For short chips, it seems like it works similar to the R10 which does not read short low chips.

[@JLagGOLF]

Yeah I totally get this and understand that.. For me personally, when I did all my testing On the previous firmware version, it seemed to work fantastic and having the camera there should eliminate some of the need for the radar to read the ball.. It is using the camera and the radar for ball detection and chipping detection. What's interesting is right now the r10 is performing way better at chipping for me and that's just a radar unit... I'm sure they'll get it fixed again. I think it might just be the camera window for me. It's looking a bit too early and missing a lot of data that it should be getting off the ball

[@peekps]

Thanks, Joe. If it were just the failures to read, I could live with the Rapsodo. But the three things driving me away from continuing to play GS Pro with the Rapsodo MLM2 Pro are way out of line spins on short chip or pitch shots 11-12, 000 spin on a 13 yard carry shot and 300 yard plus pitches when practicing 25-35 yard pitches in GSPRO. These happen when I supinate my left wrist closing the club face. When you playing a scored round, these two failures make the unit unusable. The third is really bad customer support. I'm using RPT balls, Claire's leveler, and my ball is within the white box. I also have the latest firmware version for the Rapsodo MLM2 Pro and the latest Springbok connector.

[@JLagGOLF]

Wow yeah those misreads would get really frustrating.. I just wonder if the misreads I had as well were from the actual unit itself or from the connector just not picking it up correctly. I would like to think being directly Bluetooth to the computer it's the device reading it incorrectly. But is it due to a worn ball? I'm not sure.. I still think for the price you can't beat this device but it definitely makes the scored rounds a little frustrating..

[@paulmcmahon99]

Thanks for highlighting this and testing it systematically!

[@JLagGOLF]

Thanks Paul! Are you seeing similar things? For me I feel like the chipping used to be a lot better a few firmware versions ago.

[@paulmcmahon99]

@@JLagGOLF actually I don't play rounds very often, mostly practicing full swings. When I do chip, I nearly always use 60 degree so it gets up in the air. I usually avoid low chips due to the previous issues, but I did suspect something changed with their latest firmware

[@lukeh.reynolds3664]

does the ball have to hit the impact screen for it to measure?

[@JLagGOLF]

No it should be able to pick up shots that go shorter than 9ft. A few firmwares ago in my testing it could read them down to 6ft carry and that was bump and run shots as well. It's a little bit off at the moment but I'm sure Rapsodo are working on a fix 🤞

[@jrhallMT]

I feel like if I slow my back swing down and almost give the camera more time to register the ball before my downswing and impact then it reads better. Also for some reason when I finish my follow thru and kind of hold my final position with the club head out front. It’s definitely weird and I don’t want to change my swing to suite the device.

[@JLagGOLF]

That's interesting ok I'm going to test again and try and do some really deliberately slow swings.. it might just be the fact that it likes a slower swing for the capture. Thanks for commenting!

[@rastus5388]

Joe. Are you able to check impact vision chip shot from when it was working ok to now to see if there is any difference?

[@Geoffana]

I have trouble with target range pitching. It makes me sad since I was excited to work on wedge work.

[@Seroneth01]

I have some questions about how you have your rapsodo set up. Been playing with my setup and I'm trying to determine what distances I should have everything set up to. (Unfortunately I have to tear down and set up every time I use the unit). How far from your screen are you? How far behind you is the rapsodo? Do you have the rapsodo sitting directly on the ground or is it up on something? Thanks for the input and the video! Also I'm curious if it may be the low lighting of your setup that could cause some of these intermittent issues? I've been using my rapsodo strictly hitting into an outdoor net setup I have going across my car patio. About the only time I see issues like this is when I'm hitting later in the evening and it's getting dark outside. I actually have more issues with it reading high club head speed hits than slower ones. It seems every time I get a solid high speed driver shot it doesnt know what to do with it. Again thanks for the video and I feel the pain! I hate it when the unit doesnt read a shot (always seems to be the good ones that it misses lol ...never the bad ones ...)

[@EricGauthier-sr4bc]

Thank you for testing Joe! You tell it like it is! 😉 I have not used my MLM2Pro since the golf season started (it’s short here in Canada so you have to get your rounds in quick!😂) This motivated me to do a quick test myself because chipping was perfect for me when I last left my garage. For info: App 2.10.8 FW 3.8.20 I hit into a canvas and project to a tv in front of me. My ball sits 8’ from LM I have about 12’ to the canvas. I used a Prov1 w/ ball dots. I used a 60 LW I tested with both GSpro and Rapsodo target range like you. Results: No issues, same as I had last left it, I’m happy to say! Even chips less than 2yd (9 mph ball speed) registered. I checked and the ball was not even in the alignment window… it was above it. I the repositioned the LM so the ball was in the middle of the box and had no issues either. When I checked the impact vision, the club would hit the ball by the time it reached a 1/4 of the total capture. This left plenty of ball tracking time, which I estimated was about 1.5 revolutions… That I believe is the key but I have no idea why some get less ball capture… or why it could vary from one day to the next??? I feel fortunate and grateful because I bought mine some time ago so I did struggle with connectivity problems and bad chipping!!! Now with Springbok’s connector, playing GSpro is a breeze! I’m really sorry for those struggling! I wish I could have figured something out during testing… then again I don’t believe that one should have to resort to “witchcraft” to have this work!? 😉

[@JLagGOLF]

Thanks for this very thorough response mate! That's really interesting to hear your videos capture started 1/4 in.. mine was significantly later than that. Now it's got me thinking about swing speed and if a slower swing is more desirable for the unit? I'm going to have to do more testing on this! Also I would LOVE to play some courses in Canada! There are some incredible ones there.. one day.. I'll tie it in with a TXG visit lol

[@EricGauthier-sr4bc]

@@JLagGOLF Thank you Joe, I will test different swing speeds and swing length/span to check if that could influence the timing of the capture. I’ll keep you posted. We are indeed spoiled here in Canada in terms of the variety and quality of the golf courses! The President’s Cup will be played at the Royal Montreal this year! It’s just 1 1/2 hour from where I live! 😉 I’ll be in Adelaide in November, It would be nice to just meet and shake your hand mate! Cheers

[@robertrenne4938]

How are you connected. My buddy and I bought one at the same time he was using WiFi and I was using direct connect. He had all kinds of problems and I had virtually no issues.

[@JLagGOLF]

I had a LOT of disconnection issues and had to do a lot of troubleshooting. I finally learnt that I needed a wifi extender in my garage and connect only my MLM2PRO and device to that and it works great now.

[@Beardedbob]

I had one but i've sold it for an eye mini lite as it was to frustrating

[@JLagGOLF]

EML for the win! Photometric based units are just superior in an indoor environment.

[@jasonriccoboni5931]

Ya, however you’re talking several thousand dollars vs. 700.

[@juggajay21]

What I found helped with gspro was to not use the LW club, some reason it doesn’t seem to like it.

[@jackkennedy2361]

I just recently got an MLM2pro and have only had this latest firmware. I tried a few more things to solve my chipping issues: I added carpet to cover up all the garage concrete from the mlm's view I raised the mlm unit up to my mat hitting height, and tried even a little higher too I hit shots closer and further away from the mlm's "optimum distance" I tried toe down chips with a 60, i tried regular chips with a 60, i tried pitch and runs with a 7/8 I tried with gspro connecting with springbok's latest BT connector, and I tried with the rapsodo software on the new target range. none of these seem to make any difference. 8/10 no reads... 2/10 really wild reads with 80-100 mph ball speed and shots that run across the ground.

[@natjeffery3214]

I’m experiencing the same problem with chipping. It’s very frustrating because it appeared to be resolved in previous updates but has now returned 😢

[@arson789]

My mlm seems to be really good on these small chips , even inside gspro , the one thing that is currently making my mlm almost unusable for sim is it will randomly give me 12k spin on the driver , which as you would imagine drops 300y shots down to like 210

[@JLagGOLF]

Oh wow that's really odd... Yeah I actually had a few read crazy low when I played the autoputt tour. What condition are your RPT balls in?

[@rayhodel8069]

Do you suppose the ball position at rest can be an issue? What I mean is if more dots are visible at the "top" of the ball while the club is approaching the ball. Perhaps if you viewed the impact camera when shots are captured versus when they are not. I think I noticed there was a lot of white showing on the ball when the club was approaching the ball. Good luck, thanks. Ray

[@KevDoesStuff]

I really wanna sell the Garmin R10 and get the Rapsodo for more accuracy with spin axis but seeing this I dont know what to do...My R10 never misses shots, not even little chips...

[@boredymcboredface8624]

Yeah - I’m in the same boat but given the cost of the rapsodo with subscription I’ve made the choice that I’ll wait a bit longer and get the mevo+

[@JLagGOLF]

Yes, definitely one of those things that you've got to weigh up for me personally I would take the MLM 2 Pro for the shot accuracy... But chipping has gotten bad with this recent update... They did have it fixed but it seems to have gotten a little bit worse recently. Hopefully in the next update we get the best of both worlds!

[@JLagGOLF]

Mevo Plus isn't a bad option if you're going to use it outside and inside.. If it was more of an inside dedicated setup, I'd definitely suggest getting a gc2 or an eye mini lite. For me camera base units indoors just perform so much better than radar units. I've heard putting with the mevo plus can be really bad.

[@boredymcboredface8624]

@@JLagGOLF thanks for the pointers - do you have any summary sheets for initial pricing and subscriptions for these units ? some of the retailer in Australia seem to mark things up a bit and it can be an effort diigging into ongoing costs too. BEST I can tell the eye mini is ~5500K + 200 pa.... gc3 is 16k ... IF I had the money I think I'd buy a protee vx - have you reviewed them yet?

[@Me-ce7ep]

I have an r10. Is it worth upgrading to the mlm pro or old SkyTrak or memo plus. I run on an iPad and don’t want a computer

[@Ryan-kk2rr]

Would you go back to the R10 or would you wait it out for another update?

[@JLagGOLF]

The r10 is still a fantastic unit and a really good starting unit if you can find one second hand for cheap. The only real issue with the unit is the spin axis... And this is down to a hardware limitation. It cannot be fixed with RCT balls. It cannot be fixed with anything software related. It is a hardware issue and it's because the unit can't tell where on the face you hit the ball so it can't take gear effect into account. I've heard rumours of Garmin coming out with a new launch monitor, but no idea if they're true and no idea when.. I would have to guess that if they were going to do it it would be at the PGA show which is in January next year. I would personally get the MLM 2 Pro if I was going to buy either of them right now.. That's just due to the data being really good with it. There are still people that have issues though with connection and other things. I don't have any issues anymore. The only issue I have with it is chipping. The chipping could be a lot better.

[@Ryan-kk2rr]

​@@JLagGOLFthanks for the input. I'm still within my return window, and have had some connection issues with mine. In addition to lag, and it's not picking up every shot. I haven't messed with it to resolve the issue, but that's why I was asking.

[@Golfzilla70]

If you're a person that wants the MLM2PRO for more "full swing" types of practice (omitting chipping altogether), does it still work OK? I could see myself buying this thing, primarily for range-type work (not for simulated rounds, but the simulated driving range). I have a friend who has one, and the combine and driving range looked really awesome and seemed fairly accurate to me.

[@JLagGOLF]

Hey Chris, absolutely! This thing is absolutely incredible. At full swing data, it's compared to a GC quad which costs $20,000... I've compared it to all my launch monitors and I've also compared it to a mates GC quad and it was spot on 👍

[@Golfzilla5000]

@@JLagGOLF thanks - i've just about decided that with all the different lies and conditions required to properly practice chipping, i've actually cut back on even attempting much practice at it. I think if you get the basics down you'll be fine, but to really take it to the next level you've just about got to have access to facilities that offer all sorts of different lies and grass types. Not to mention time. If you had all 3 of those factors, i think just about anybody could be a world-class chipper. But those aspects are hard to get for most normal folks.

[@ausoom]

I was just about ready to upgrade from my Garmin R10 to the MLM2Pro. Seemed the logical next step in my simulator journey. Having watched this video and the previous Joe Lagowski video (Playing 18 holes on GSPro) I am now very hesitant. I thought all the reconnect and no reads (especially chipping) had been basically resolved. Think I will stay with the Garmin for a few more months!

[@JJ_Khailha]

Firmware update will fix it.

[@danrasmussen4658]

I have the same issues, i also have issues with some of my drives aslos. I also get a blue light then it will go green

[@UnrealGolfSandro]

The hardware is great, all they need is to dial in the software and this will be the best value LM. Chipping is rough sometimes and I swear it was better a couple updates ago

[@JLagGOLF]

Absolutely mate! They had chipping dialed in a few updates ago for sure. It has certainly dropped off with this one.

[@boredymcboredface8624]

Not to worry- they’ll have an optional chipping subscription soon so you only have to pay a little bit extra for perfect chipping :-P 😂

[@JoshuaSkipworth]

Chipping was one of the many reasons why I jumped ship from MLM2Pro to a GC2. I don't want to change my swing to hit a ball in a way that might or might not help a launch monitor pickup a shot. GC2 gets them all and has native putting. Plus no subscription and no fear of a firmware update ruining the performance.

[@JLagGOLF]

Yeah the GC2 is an absolutely amazing device!! The one thing that annoyed me was the HLA with putting.. especially the shorter putts it was a bit off. Having said that with GS Pros algorithm that smooths out the HLA from within 20 feet I don't think this was really an issue.. I miss my GC2.... 😭

[@dennisdunn9315]

It is definitely inconsistent. I don't know anything about how it knows when to start recording. I wonder if it starts at a certain mph to help with club wagglers.

[@Springbok331]

Noticed this as well, thanks for highlighting this issue Joe, hopefully Rapsodo will fix this issue. Only thing I found was it was more reliable with more ball height, not easy to do on short shots.

[@JLagGOLF]

Yes you're absolutely right hitting those mini flops seems to help a bit but you really don't want to be practicing like that... It's just not a realistic shot I would ever hit on course.

[@MikeSoutham]

yeah, it's completely put me off with the lack of chipping reading. Need to replace my OG Skytrak. Might just bit the bullet on an Eye Mini LIte

[@mrserv0n18]

My mini lite has been such a great unit. I had skytrak OG too.

[@gonzalodelacarrera3368]

It does not track chipping at all even using special chrome soft Rapsodo balls

[@JLagGOLF]

Yes unfortunately at the moment it's not the best but I just updated to a beta version so fingers crossed they have fixed it again! 🤞🤞

[@julianschlundt2594]

Same issue at the moment, unfortunately.

[@JLagGOLF]

Thanks for commenting mate! The more that do definitely raises the awareness for Rapsodo.. I'm sure they will fix it with an update.

[@Brandon-bl8ko]

ive been getting the same inconsistency

[@TannerMuckey]

Have you tried making your room brighter? Everybody says you need a bright room to help register

[@JLagGOLF]

Yes absolutely I've actually done a video on this and for me the light is only required for the swing camera to capture your swing. The impact vision uses IR so it doesn't need light to be able to see the ball.

[@MotoRiff77]

So I'm not updating yet

[@BlueRose-mc2ob]

I’m having the same issue

[@JLagGOLF]

Thanks for commenting mate. It's always good when people highlight if they're having issues as well..