The Moment Maul Realized He Would NEVER Beat Obi-Wan - (Uses Soresu Against Sidious)

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[@sir_classical1785]

I never saw this until you pointed it out. I interpreted it like Maul knew how much of a threat Palpatine was, and almost instinctually went into Obi-Wan’s stance: if you don’t feel confident that your own abilities are sufficient, why not try the form of the guy who beat you?

[@TheShadow14150]

I thought it was just a one handed salute of form VII (since the blade was tilted down) That was Mauls greatest humiliation, the use the form of one mortal enemy, to be defeated by the other, both against Sidious and Kenobi!

[@Tuturial464]

Too bad Maul was not proficient in Soritsu. Or trained in the force as well as Sidious

[@AsreiMurasame]

Although I think it was a smart decision, he knew he wasn't as strong as Sidious. That's why you hear so much concern in maul's voice when he figures out just who is about to walk through that door. Imo form 3 is excellent against opponents you can't brute force, it gives you a chance to exploit their mistakes without getting absolutely demolished first. Anakin would have likely beat anyone else in a 1 v 1 in a very short time with the exception of Yoda and Palps that could have probably given Anakin a difficult time. Anakin was practically the master of form V running it in hybrid with form 4 giving his Djimm So speed and power like no other form V user had.

[@streamlove2]

Obi Wan has the highest count of rent free living in Sith Lord minds. Maul, Vader…. Im sure even Palpatine would be annoyed of him haunting his apprentices.

[@Thatsweat]

Obi wan is the greatest Jedi in terms of feats

[@kamilgrunert1586]

Also Dooku, he literally asked Obi-Wan to join him

[@GeniusInventor-dj5zc]

@@Thatsweatthat’s an actual fact

[@dreadrath]

Yep, even Dooku, though in Dooku's case he held very real respect for Obi-Wan instead of hatred or contempt; maybe a bit of sentimentality as well.

[@recoil53]

Only an Inquisitor, but Third Sister. I think Palpatine was annoyed that Obi-wan was always affecting Vader. And of course if you strike him down, you will only make him stronger. So the Sith are kind of boxed in.

[@Honorbound43]

Literally never noticed this until you brought it up and I’ve seen that fight sooooo many times

[@bradgrand79]

Same and it’s one of the best fights in all Star Wars.

[@Honorbound43]

@@bradgrand79 it just goes to show that there were true fans and historians of the universe working on the clone wars. I wish the same could be said of the sequel trilogy. For all of the crap TLJ is given I think a defeated hopeless luke could’ve worked, but it needed to stray away from ESB for it to work. Luke needed to live at the end and give Rey need hope as he himself learned a lesson but it was ultimately not his fight but Rey’s (for w/e reason) something like that.

[@bradgrand79]

@@Honorbound43 clone wars were Filoni’s best work. Even at my age I appreciate them and the way they succeeded in making Anakin a loved character. Something the prequels failed at and they make his fall so much more meaningful and sad.

[@thomasparque7834]

I think Maul’s idea of using Soresu against Sidious tactical the best option for the brothers but the flaw was he more or less just started learning and adding the form to his own style, if he and his brother had maybe a few more months of training with it and used the sixth form along with the seventh they might give the Dark Lord a more of challenge then might be forced him to take them more seriousily.

[@shxmana]

I think it would also be a good tactic to have one of them try and take Sidious full attention but defending with soresu while the other simply waits for the opening soresu would create and strike which would result in both saving energy and wear out sidious if thats even possible lmao

[@stormbringer2840]

A good plan but honestly it was hopeless . If the brothers start to give him trouble in lightsaber combat he will switch to the force to pin them down .

[@Calthir]

To be fair to Sidious, "a much better chance" in this case more means "he would actually have to try a bit".

[@mariusconstantin6057]

I think it's the fact they didn't spend enough time preparing for Sidious instead of forming a criminal empire and and killing jedi

[@carlosgarza400]

I did find it weird at first, but now it makes sense

[@zacharyo3824]

wow, I never saw the Kenobi opening stance but now I see it and what he was trying to do. great observation.

[@benrichardson2693]

I have to say, over the past few years, your narration has improved leaps and bounds. Keep up the good work. This was very enjoyable.

[@shadowknight0979]

Thank you for this informative video. I didn't realize Maul did the Soresu opening in that episode.

[@Turnsnap]

These videos you make about seemingly meaningless details tell so much about the stories and characters. Thank you for deepening the lore of star wars

[@awesomeproductions7755]

And yet he tried again on Tatooine anyway… 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@josegonzalezgonzalez3486]

Maul was just desperate and he wasn’t thinking that well. He saw Obi-wan as a rat and weak

[@matthewpengelly761]

As they say: if at first you don't succeed, try, try, try again!!

[@thegreygoblin5165]

​@@josegonzalezgonzalez3486well to be fair, Maul could get to Obi-Wan and fight him, he would have never gotten to Sidious at the Empire's height

[@elaiskywalker7862]

The Dark Side blinds you, look at what happened on Mustafar, and Maul on Naboo

[@TheShadow14150]

2 things to do to defeat Obi Wan Kenobi: 1. Keep level ground 2. Don’t try it

[@Overlord367]

now that is truly a compliment even if he hates the man.imitation is truly the highest form of flattery also it makes perfect sense when you consider that the person he’s fighting against wood expect the exact opposite. 8:41

[@timbrower3105]

I think it is a nod to the brilliance of Maul to notice this as well. Unfortunately he didn't take the time to work on the form

[@mariusconstantin6057]

Had he spent less time on killing jedi and forming a criminal empire he might've been ready for sidious on mandalore

[@GrahamCStrouse]

Maul was exceptionally bright. He may not have been the wisest of Palpatine’s apprentices but he was arguably the most perceptive in the end in a way that neither Dooku nor Vader ever could.

[@Big_Mamoose]

​@@GrahamCStrousedefinitely not more perceptive than Vader. Vader had to rely on his wits due to his damages. Plus he was really cunning as well when hunting. Even outsmarted Maul him

[@1highvelocity1]

Kenobi was so good he made Darth Maul rethink his entire life and the style he's been using his whole life 😂

[@harveycasey1900]

Great observation. I watched this fight some many times and never notice it.

[@Adam-lw9xp]

I noticed how in The Phantom Menace how Maul lured Obi-Won and Qui-Gon to narrow walkways in the reactor room to better fend off a 2 on 1 assault of 2 Jedi using Form 4, Attaru while Obi-Won adopted the same strategy years later in their rematch to lured Maul and Savage into a confined space to better defend against a 2 on 1 assault where using Form 3 Soresu works best.

[@pullo5518]

Great video, count dooku also uses soresu against ventress and the 2 nightsisters, he uses the soresu stance when he is in the hallway going to the other room.

[@wedgeantillies66]

Maul knows he cannot defeat Sidious in a one and one duel and it’s the greatest compliment to his hated foe as desperate times calls for desperate measures and uses his style as it would give him best chance of staying in the duel as long as possible against his former master.

[@matthewpengelly761]

I missed this completely!! I just kinda watched the whole clone wars thing without looking too deeply the first time i watched it. This time i'm looking a bit closer (part way through season 3)!!

[@Wardo2]

I love that there’s always something new to learn about Star Wars

[@PJOZeus]

He knew the onslaught that was coming, the most he could hope to do was live

[@michalgranec6516]

"If you can't beat them, join them. Or something." -Darth Maul, probably

[@robertrouse8945]

I've learned so much from your channel wow thank you so much 🙏🏿

[@dans5662]

Obiwans reserved nature is a reason i like him so much. Him against vader in the obiwan series reminds me of this.

[@goatkiller666]

I would claim that Obi-Wan was not Maul’s greatest enemy. It was always Siddious.

[@kevin-2.1]

I agree

[@Tuturial464]

Well Sidious is the one who drove maul to the dark side to commit these crimes.

[@R.Williamss]

He made two folks handicap!

[@darylsdesigns6679]

I wonder how Cal Kestis would fair in a fight with Maul.

[@maxdam4059]

He would not I am sorry but Maul went almost toe to toe with Vader

[@BinksTheWise]

Maul would destroy Cal easily imo

[@TheAncientSith]

I’m gonna get hate for saying this but Cal’s overrated. He is very skilled in the force and dueling skills but Maul only lost to TPM Obi-Wan, TCW Ahsoka, and Kanan all cuz of arrogance/plot armor. Cal isn’t fodder but he struggled with Dagan Gera and Bode who are only two Dark Jedi lesser than basically every TCW character. Maul would own Cal actually. Gave prime Obi-Wan trouble and fought Mace & Aayla at the same time.

[@Darthdeej]

​@@maxdam4059 in cannon? When?

[@chadflanaganCFC]

Cal couldn't compete Maul's is on a whole different level of power from the Jedi knight, Maul fought notably Jedi and Sith on multiple occasions, Cal's fiercest opponent was some former Jedi with a jetpack.

[@joeshotsgarcia5138]

Thank you for sharing obi-wan’s style of fighting with Maul. If u didn’t mention how obi-wan beat maul and his brother. I would have never known. U got yourself a new subscriber. 👍

[@Gor85]

This is hugely impressive! Really impressive! I never thought of this. Thanks 😊May the Force be with you too😀

[@josephalonzo1059]

I honestly believe that, somehow through the will of the force, Master Obi-Wan Kenobi DID learn that he inspired just as much, if not more, respect from Maul as he did hatred. That knowing of Maul's respect and through the force in someway I'm sure Kenobi knew about Maul adopting Soresu against Sidious

[@adammero5291]

Best Star Wars channel!!

[@eschelar]

Awesome lore here. Great job. In my jiu jitsu, I also play the same way. Super defensive. I learn about the opponents strengths and weaknesses by being gentle and controlled, giving openings that lead nowhere and offering positions that look good but end in traps... And hopefully reversals. And sometimes subs from bad positions... Or I just bide my time until the other person finds themselves exhausted for some reason while in a superior position where they think they should be getting more rest than me... But I'm still fresh as a daisy... Muahaha It's not effective against guys who are good, but I've managed to hold off black belts (I'm a white belt, almost blue) and give them a run for their money. I'm also very strong and heavy, so I find that this is the best way to have a fun match and works pretty well against someone who is spazzy. Form 3 baby! Haha

[@rayloc420]

Soresu is prevalent in the Sith Order. It was the primary form of Darth Zannah as she lacked the physical attributes of the Jemso

[@Maddog-xc2zv]

yep, all those reasons were the basis to Bane to tell her apprentice to use Soresu jointly with Jar kai discipline (with a staff - called Bane's Heart, in Zannah's case). But that was her primary defense, as she was a proficient sorcerer, even better versed in sith spells (that she concurrently, with the dual lightsaber, used during duels) than her master and most likely anyone at her timeline.

[@SgtKickass926]

Its kinda crazy that "being cut in half by him" wasn't the moment he realized he'd never beat Obi-Wan

[@theeroyaltgaming]

Correction: Maul didn’t lure them to Florum, the Jedi picked up on his trail before he could complete his plan.

[@Sosapotence3001990]

Great video!

[@lightspeedgaming9415]

I've watched this fight dozens of times I've never noticed the form 3 salute

[@tonp2917]

Soresu always gives you the high ground.

[@nicholassiple7838]

Love your content sir.

[@GrahamCStrouse]

Obi-wan’s Soresu mastery made him particularly well-suited to Sith hunting. 😁

[@Maddog-xc2zv]

Except when facing Tyrannus. Now imagine Sidious, even Yoda says he's not match for the dark lord of the sith

[@EAWanderer]

05:44 - That wouldn't have mattered Sidious knew everything and what to expect and arguably had MUCH faster reflexes. Darth Maul was just delaying the inevitable with his former master To Sidious : Most impressive... He has come a long way, but it wont save him 😈

[@albertlamar5938]

No, I had not noticed it, despite many viewings of the dual. As always, Master Stupendous of Planet Wave manifests the highest awesomeness.

[@seanh0001]

Good catch on Maul’s opening stance.

[@ThoraxetheImpaile100]

Our greatest rivals are often our greatest teachers.

[@Kazuma11290]

I just watched the episode not long ago. Didn't notice, but you're right. Maul even tries to dual wield in the same fight against Palps. That's why Maul is a Dark Lord worthy of Sidious' notice. Maul is willing to learn even from his greatest enemies.

[@towertito2149]

Its true. True defensive fighting is indeed something you must work very hard to be good at.

[@xSurvivor7x]

Imagine, if Maul, out of his comfort zone, escaped Sidious alive, and lasted so long, imagine how Obi Wan would fare.

[@PamBanFromChilis]

Watching the clone wars for the first time and I just got done watching this episode a few days ago, and I was going crazy watching master kenobi perfectly defending against maul and savage. That leg kick to set up slicing savages arm off was perfectly played. And that’s why you don’t fuck with the master of defense.

[@chadflanaganCFC]

Maul using Soresu against Palpatine was a case of too little too late mixed with him never having a chance to begin with, it didn't matter what style he used Palpatine was just untouchable for a Sith who was so reliant on his lightsaber.

[@robertg8565]

The duel on Florrum proved to me that Obi Wan is the most adaptable Jedi in the order. The previous duel on the cargo ship with Ventress displayed Obi Wan trying to attack upper body attacks & stick to Soresu. On Florrum Obi Wan used his hybridized form 3/4 & went for kicks to create range & lower body attacks against Savage to stop him in place. Whoever wrote that into the story knows something about martial arts, 6-8 well placed low kicks in the same spot & you won't walk on that leg. Maul isn't a fool either, very adaptable & very intelligent. Jedi that used hybridized forms are usually the better duelists, very few master a form to the point they they are so proficient that one form is enough for example Dooku or Windu. If Yoda wasn't so short I doubt he would use Ataru despite knowing all the forms.

[@Egregore-33]

Excellent video.

[@spencerkim5483]

Obi-Wan truly earned his way to the top. I would never be disappointed in having him as a master.

[@digabledoug]

Maul didn't lure Obi-Wan to Florrum. The Jedi tracked him there. Maul was surprised and not prepared to fight both the Jedi and Hondo's pirates. The whole situation was a disaster for Maul and Savage. Their ship was shot down and they barely escaped with their lives. They probably would have died in space inside the escape pod if not for being discovered by Death Watch.

[@russmarasheski7005]

Nice breakdown & observation.... 💯👏👏👏👏👏👏💯

[@Draconightfury]

I always thpught, Obiwan could definitely survive and even possibly beat sidious in lightsaber combat. But when it comes to powers in the force sideous greatly outclasses obiwan which is why Yoda had to fight him

[@thealmightypancakeface9585]

It's not surprising he used Soresu. He mastered Juyo and Niman, which requires the user to be well versed in the other 5 forms.

[@Maddog-xc2zv]

Niman did not required an expertise in the previous forms. That was pretty clear in Geonosys in the arena battle where all Niman practiocioners and master died as they were not able to sustain the continuous blast fire from the droids. On the opposite, none of form III masters was told killed during that battle. With few exceptions like Exar Kun ("The efficiency of Kun's preferred combat style of Form VI: Niman was further complemented by his saberstaff's improvements. In an era when such weapons were all but forgotten, the double-bladed nature of Kun's lightsaber bewildered enemy combatants"), Niman was the jack of all trades: know a bit of all, master none.

[@thealmightypancakeface9585]

@Maddog-xc2zv Did read what I said? I said we'll versed in other forms, I never said it required "Expertise" in previous forms. Jedi Niman practitioners are different from Sith Niman practitioners, especially when paired with Juyo, so that Geonosis example is irrelevant

[@Maddog-xc2zv]

@@thealmightypancakeface9585 again, a trade of all jacks except for exar kun and few others near his level. geonosis example just shows how incomplete most Niman users were. BTW, Jedi and Sith always differ from each other no matter the form they choose, it's more relevant the state of mind of one philosophy/religion on how to approach the forms and use of the force rather than the forms per si and the force as an empty blanket from where you built who you'll wish to be as a force user.

[@greattribulation1388]

Well it worked. Sidious could not break his guard, he had to overwhelm him with the force

[@Maddog-xc2zv]

Sidious wanted him alive to suffer because of all he lost, half body to a Padowan kenobi, his brother to Sidious, the rule of Mandalor, all the shame of being traded by more suited apprentices like Tyrannus and then Vader. He had to live all until the ill fated duel with Kenobi (with a total of maybe 5 strikes) on Tatooine (where Kenobi was already looking up for luke, which means Vader was in the position he once had... with this "evil" strategy Sidious completely destroyed Maul's mind during the years after their duel, which was much more pleasurable to Sidious - and we all noticed that in his last duel Maul was only but a shadow of what he once was)

[@matthewpengelly761]

I have fulfilled my destiny! Oddly, i thought my destiny was to own a campervan and travel around the UK when and how my funds allowed. Turns out it was subscribing to this channel after multible years of watching.......who knew?! 🤣

[@ggpt9641]

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em!

[@cryptocoinkiwi8272]

Lightsabres styles: Slice before being sliced.

[@superiorfelixgameing8067]

Bro I dint even notice he took form 3 broo took me this long

[@Chayliss]

*WHO LIT THE DAMN CANDLE IN LEGENDS*

[@donaldrussell9406]

Ali Galia made a damn good account of herself .

[@brokenbridge6316]

Well that is one way to look at things

[@artemismoonbow2475]

Literally what I don't understand is how did Palpatine master all 7 forms being a human, in hiding, with galaxy spanning political ambitions and responsibilities?

[@josephalonzo1059]

That would have more than likely been when he was younger and not all Dark Side and sh*t when he learned them and possibly spent considerable amounts of years getting to almost perfect mastery. It was probably only when he first had to start hiding and sneaking and Dark Side things did he eventually find the time to fine tune and hone the rest of the skills to hit mastery status in the 7forms plus he is extremely powerful in the force and might even have used that to his advantage giving himself the heightened ability to master forms faster... Idk, but those are my two favorite theories as an explanation/answer for you

[@artemismoonbow2475]

I can dig it. Thank you :)@@josephalonzo1059

[@Allstarjedi]

Obi-Wan was a fucking menace to the Sith. I know they sat down, watched film on bro to figure out a game plan like he was Jordan 😂

[@kingshadow8782]

Happy Friday!

[@jyralnadreth4442]

Maul would have been better off actually having Kenobi there with Savage when Palp showed up. Forget killing Satine....trick Kenobi into being there when luring Palpatine to them. This could be a win for the Galaxy too as there would be a chance to kill Palps but also perhaps after that Maul and Savage could stay on Dathomir with the Nightsisters...ending the Sith religion entirely

[@skeetermagee2487]

He probably did it because Obi Wan used it to beat him so copied him like copying a smart kid in class' homework

[@gl0bal7474]

For me, this is the best story arc in Clone Wars

[@fmthebaron]

Yeah Maul's rise to power with his Shadow Collective/Mother Talzin was the best part for sure.

[@kevin-2.1]

I didn’t know that Maul use Obi-Wan’s famous form, it’s cool that he learn it from his last fight with Obiwan. But unfortunately he lost, it takes lots of practice to master form 3. That’s why Obiwan is the master of it, since Maul was just an assassin & a Sith Lord too.

[@treiwilson9445]

I thought Maul was a Niman practitioner as well. Along with Juyo and Ataru.

[@nathanchun4880]

With Soresu he also has Djem So

[@jyralnadreth4442]

Niman is something he also practiced. He probably did so for Jar Kaii but also for its ability to merge saber forms and combine force attacks. Ventress mixed Niman with her main form Makashi.

[@treiwilson9445]

@@jyralnadreth4442 I would have to master the other forms before getting into Niman. Form 7 is too risky.

[@nathanchun4880]

@@jyralnadreth4442 according to the video it did say Maul had trouble with Soresu but he watered the other forms

[@jyralnadreth4442]

@@treiwilson9445 As a Consular Form 2 Makashi, Form 3 Soresu and Form 6 Niman are great choices. Makashi and Soresu are very similar in that they conserve energy during combat to wear opponents down. Vader utilised Form 2 into his saber play after he got suited up to compensate for his suits shortcomings. Form 2 offered strong defences against force attacks as well as saber combat its known for, since Form 6 Niman doesn't have form 2 in its make-up...adding it is mandatory. Form 6 can be extremely powerful when Consulars rely more on their force powers than their lightsaber - I suspect Kreia developed her telekinetic lightsaber combat style using Niman

[@AbigSWfan]

I never noticed that.

[@BIGJATPSU]

"Out-classed" is a rough way to put it. Sidious is DECADES older than Maul, time standa still for no one even Sidious. So it comes down to experience. Sidious is a master of ALL the forms, with multiple DECADES of experience with them, Maul simply wasn't as good or better put, experienced. If it was Form V vs. Form V and NOTHING else in that moment after Savage was killed, perhaps Maul takes it due to his instant hate of Sidious. But this is where EXPERIENCE comes into play, the mixing of styles, the breadth of experience and even better, knowledge. Maul's gambit was he'd put Obi-Wan on tilt saying "someone." He ALMOST succeded in that regard, we saw Obi's face change from calm to, I'm gonna end this guy once and for all. Sidious is even DECADES older than Obi-Wan, Maul, even Obi-Wan, had no shot. Only Jedi, or any lightsaber wielders, who could hang with him then where Mace and Yoda. I see Maul as a tragic figure who got used to the highest degree sadly. I truly believe what he said to Obi at the end that the Chosen One would avenge them BOTH. We all know at this point that whether Jedi or Sith, their system was broken, I honestly think Maul, maybe Asuka, knew this first-hand first, better than anyone in the "Disney" canon.

[@andrewkim6037]

Sith lords are his specialty.

[@corinnebowyer6786]

wish maul had told obi wan about using obi's technique against the emperor due to his respect of him. though it would be kind of nice to see maul having sought out obi wan to learn how to master multiple forms of lightsaber combat from him instead of trying to kill or get killed by him.

[@johnhoran9840]

Interesting video. On a side note, Obi-Wan was THE master of Form III, but even he couldn't stand one-on-one with Sidious. No surprise that someone like Maul, who is less skilled in the form, wouldn't be able to survive him.

[@georgerhodes7663]

Impressive

[@spoopatroopa8005]

Kenobi is the most popular to use soresu. So we only see it done with one Saber. Do these forms have a preference to the Saber style used? Single, double or dual? Is it feasible to use a double staff with say form 1?

[@imreknausz9955]

Never realized this

[@eliyoungblood4234]

I feel like Maul would've been a dope ass Jedi

[@darthsidius9631]

What if maul went immediately back to he's master after he gained back he's sanity?

[@DarthArachnious]

It seems like all Banite Sith study Niman. So they have familiarity with all six forms. Maul, as a martial artist, would understand the importance of a solid defense. I don't think Soresu would have been as foreign a skill as all that. But his quickness to anger definitely worked against him. Darth Zannah was a master of Soresu. But she always had complete control. Even when she was losing a fight.

[@Maddog-xc2zv]

you forgot Juyo(sith)/Vaapad(jedi), there are 7 lightsaber combat forms. And except Exar Kun and a couple Niman was not really that great, as probably would know something of all 5 forms before Niman, but you would not master any - exceptions are force users like Sidious, Yoda, Windu and not much more on this era that mastered all 7 lightsaber forms, so Niman was also included and really not needed as they mastered all others, including one that come after, form VII and were able to change between them all or complement one with others like many other jedi and sith did although they did not mastered the seven forms, like Ashoka, Anakin/Vader, Count Dooku, Plo Koon, Kenobi, Depa Bilaba, Maul (although the last one used almost only Juyo combined with Jar'Kai discipline like Ahsoka also used but she was able to mix various forms like III, IV, both disciplines of V)...

[@MegaBlackhawk1990]

Obi-Wan ended his life as the best and most true Jedi that ever lived.

[@superkartoffel7479]

I wonder wether Kenobi would have stood longer against Sidious than Maul.

[@alanvm9]

Obi Wan just likes cutting off people's limbs, he could have killed Maul's brother then, but decided instead to cut his arm.

[@mrgangrdon6592]

Obi wan was more powerful than we could possibly imagine..

[@nategraham6946]

That isn’t a Soresu stance or salute. This is a Niman opening stance and high guard.

[@Seminooos]

What if both he and obi wan used suresu against each other in Rebels? P.S. Maul also continued to train in Suresu ever since the clone wars in this scenario.

[@kutanarcanakgul5533]

I was wondering something. Dooku and Obi-Wan Kenobi always faced each other and sense their presence. How did Dooku never sense Rako Hardeen was Obi-Wan?

[@gravemind6536]

Obi wan explained this to Anakin he said the only way Dooku would believe he's dead is if Anakin believed he was dead hence why Anakin was not informed that Obi Wan faked his death.

[@robertagu5533]

Apparently unlike love (so the saying goes) Hate an Vengeance DOESNT conqueror all.. I ALSO wonder, given how Maul died, after this sorta revelation i wonder IF Maul had lived long enough if he too coulda an woulda eventually went on a quasi or strait up Redemption path of his own.. once he broke from the path of being a pure offensive brute an actually proved to be quite cunning an manipulative when he REALLY wanted to be

[@laskojames]

What episode and season is this? *Sighs* I really have to make time to watch The Clone Wars.

[@abstraction6212]

"Obi wan is weak on going the opposite offensive side" Not really, your kinda underestimating Kenobis offensive skill especially when he was also a master of ataru slightly less than Yoda. (Especially when you read the republic comics that are seperate from TCW)

[@rayswiatek5948]

I'm pretty sure it was when he cut him in half and killed him .

[@BradleyBarba-km9qu]

Can we get a why maul continued to use a single bladed lightsaber until before Revenge of the sith?

[@snoopy_peanuts_77]

Obiwan would kill as a defensive coordinator in the nfl...lol

[@lbushatz1]

What did Abaloth Think about Palpatine?

[@samuelrobles3737]

Day 394 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon

[@Nuklz1981]

How in the worlds did Maul defeat Kenobi on Naboo? We all remember the way that ended don't we?

[@aceclover758]

Mail lost due to his arrogance Not the fact he was overpowered or outskilled

[@Nuklz1981]

@aceclover758 The point is ,he lost.

[@Nuklz1981]

Maul lost his legs for the exact same reason that Anakin (or Vader at that point) lost his. They underestimated their enemy and overrated their own abilities.

[@aceclover758]

@@Nuklz1981 you asked how Maul lost, I gave you a reason

[@ciscoak9074]

Mauls hair trigger aggressive personality disagrees with soresu to the point where it just wouldn't ever work..u need a certain temperment to compliment soresu in order for it to work at 100% capacity. Obiwan wouldn't let himself get frustrated by being on the defensive and he waits for his opportunity wheras maul is constantly looking and searching for opportunities while doing soresu rather than waiting for them to present themselves, because in mauls mind "he aint got time for that shit!"..he ain't waiting for shit! He is gonna try to force inopportune "openings" out of impatients from a want to finish his opponent asap, wheras obiwan would be fine defending and backing for hours if need be until the perfect opportunity presented itself. If obiwan used soresu like maul did against anakin for example, anakin would have found a way exploit that impatients way back in the control room lol.

[@wolfhatgod9244]

And as for the 2v1 against Palpatine, Palpatine trained Maul, and and also preferred fighting with Form 7, form 3 being a counter to form 7, and the fact that Maul was scared shitless why would he not use 3?