The MongolZ Make The Major Playoffs! / What Happened to NAVI?... - Snake & Banter 79 ft Bleh

[@sayonqlo]

Electronic gonna be really confused this episode 😂

[@72hrs_vermithor]

i just understood this fuckin lol

[@saratchandrab4384]

Please explain

[@saratchandrab4384]

Nvm, got it lol

[@nomidu8417]

Interrupt God, culture God, and hair God

[@frog382]

In the cosmic dance of the universe, he is the dancer, the dancing and the dance.

[@sentonbeeblo170]

I know Thorin interrupts a ridiculous amount, but I think the guests go in knowing that. If they’re ready for it I’m sure they’ve accepted it and it doesn’t bother them that much. Show is still fire.

[@interplucky]

Probably the most annoying thing about these shows is how much Thorin interrupts the guest to go off on a tangent that involve him making 4 or 5 comparisons.

[@ThySickn3ss]

@@interplucky Maybe you should not watch the show

[@catalyst1434]

the story about electronic talking to bleh thinking bleh is maui now makes way more sense when i know what bleh looks like

[@josefc.289]

😂😂😂

[@jigsaw_3156]

yoo both maui and budget maui on the same episode!

[@MusicJunkie37]

bleh & budget bleh more like

[@jonginny9879]

Exactly. Thank you​@@MusicJunkie37

[@lucko1111]

maui from temu

[@scouthatesrainbows]

Maui and good Maui

[@jigsaw_3156]

@@MusicJunkie37 true but i can't be shitting on maui in comments of every S&B episode, let him have at least this

[@colbyjones9059]

Thorin's JL impression was the highlight of my day 😭

[@elizabethmurigi1131]

Timestamp?

[@colbyjones9059]

@@elizabethmurigi11311:30:41

[@karri9554]

⁠​⁠@@elizabethmurigi1131 1:30:57

[@lunar1157]

@@elizabethmurigi1131 1:30:55

[@shotgun_chef3265]

Like 1:31:00

[@Pyt3x]

I'm seeing double Mauis.

[@American_God]

okay talking about mongolz, i was watching their games quite a bit during this major and everytime they were on 910's POV i would be amazed by his positioning, like he loses in straight up awp duels but vs riflers he is a monster and never puts himself in a bad spot

[@BBiGiBB]

he is insane at killing by people by awp, who spraying him from the back from the near no matter haha

[@thunderboltstriker]

Maui’s take on NA applies also to Australia. We used to be the top APAC region in CS, but somehow we’re getting beaten by the only country in the world with a lower density than us.

[@sentonbeeblo170]

That molly change was so boneheaded by valve. The maps aren't designed for it, and with the way peekers advantage is, its actually optimal to go for the swing through the molly and tank the damage, especially since the CTs won't expect it. The obvious thing that they DEFINITELY should have done was make either broom or logs a bit wider, so one molly couldn't get both. Problem solved.

[@zizzyballuba4373]

iM in that MIBR game was actually good, they were down 9-3 and iM started the T side with a pistol ace and had many deciding gun rounds. only at the end did he fuck up

[@Reaching8]

It's really good to see Thorin continuing to push the CT vs T sidedness angle, for some reason it seems that a lot of people(I'd assume newer fans, or people who picked up CS during GO or later) don't know any different, but CS should be Ts taking shots, and CTs as the keeper. I went on a podcast with Voo and Austin early this year(you can find it in a playlist on my channel) where we talk about this extremely in-depth, and even discuss weapon buffs. On CT side, the M4s should be combined. You can use whichever viewmodel you want, but it should have the characteristics of the M4A1(removable silencer, maybe slightly increased spray from A1s but not as severe as A4) with 25-30 bullets in a magazine, and lower damage falloff of the A4. This is how CS was pre-GO anyway, and if the CTs are going to get punished so severely on the economy, they should actually pay for guns with good characteristics that are significantly different/have edges that the Ts don't have(though they shouldn't be able to buy an AK equivalent or anything). Adjusting the FAMAS to have a better burst would also be an incredibly good option. On the NA part, it's just a money thing. There's so much economic stress on people in North America(specifically the US and Canada) and there's no adjacent region which these players can connect to(IE Switzerland is more expensive than other European countries, but they can connect to more active CS scenes in other countries and get noticed). For an okay-ish NA player, you can hire a better player from another region. It's just not worth anything to be pro, or even grind CS for a lot of Americans/Canadians, which leads to the decay of the scene. The game also isn't 'fun to play' like CS used to be. Most games happen on Matchmaking, not on player servers, so there's not even an organic base like there once was from which to introduce people to competitive after getting their skills up. It's partly a Valve/game design issue, but for NA to be more competitive(not to say we don't have good players, just to up our status on the world stage), the governments of Canada and the USA need to change a lot.

[@keepcalm3547]

We need another snake and banter soon ! :)

[@TDansVids]

Right this is gonna be another banger

[@KeilGries]

lmao I read the end of the video title as "79 ft Bleh" bro has returned as a giant 😂

[@sentonbeeblo170]

1:52:00 I agree with bleh here. Making famas burst the optimal way to play again would be really cool, and add a different dynamic to CT side force rounds, where you're actually playing with a gun that feels unique to use. Famas on burst has the highest first shot accuracy in the game too, which is stronger for holding angles and long range fights and might switch things up more.

[@Joseph-z2kjdbdbekdb]

I know it’s a meme but technically if g2 win the major they would have been in 5 grand finals and won 4 of them if compared to navi’s 6 grand finals and winning 3. There is definitely a universe where g2 goes for team of the year lmao

[@Pawel-b5g]

@@Joseph-z2kjdbdbekdb Navi has 7 grand finals and 4 win.

[@ЯрославКовальский-г8р]

Navi was in 7 grand finals and won 4 actually, so still it puts them as the best of 2024, its just much closer this year

[@bogdanvorobei831]

Navi won 4 tourneys: major, ewc, epl and Rio Meanwhile g2 won 3 at the moment: Dallas, fall final and blast world final. So it might be a very comparable list if they win this major. The only difference is that they won Dallas with a freaking Stewie as a stand-in 😅

[@Frytech]

At 6:40, I don’t really make CS content and not an analyst or anything like that, but I legit predicted G2 to likely to lose to Mongolz. It’s the reason why I didn’t pick G2 as a 3:0 team, it absolutely felt like G2 can start slow and lose exactly one match to a faster paced explosive team like Mongolz. Overall correctly predicted 6/8 team to advance in Opening stage (but mixed up 2 spots, so no Diamond for me), and 7/8 in Elimination stage. Not too shabby.

[@jvbob96]

the brazilian talent segment is special. SA really has some insane talent around to make a couple amazing teams. this needs to happen

[@Wildeity]

It's unfortunate for magixx because the position he's in right now isn't even his fault. Like there was the narrative around skullz a while ago being a paycheck farmer and the buyout being too high for him, but all magixx did was chill in a team that ended up power creeping on him and now he can't look over his shoulder lest he realise he's sitting amongst titans.

[@slayinkittys2843]

Yeah but magixx is also like 3x better than interz who is put in similar positions

[@tontonses7824]

Looks like donk is from Tomsk which is further East (84°E) than Delhi (77°E). So yes, donk is absolutely an Asian player. It's even crazier when you look at the timezones - the difference between Tomsk time and Shanghai time is just 1 hour. Btw chopper and Perfecto are also from Asia.

[@Bohemondvilhaduan]

Mongols is all about the coach. He is the most important part of that team.

[@KerplunkTM]

maui rating quarterfinal exits equally as navi making finals and tournament wins back to back is insane

[@kripzzy6732]

Not what he said

[@JanneTrabantti]

mongolz has been a favorite of mine for a while, and seems to continue that way

[@Fubasta]

Its kind of insane how often Thorin someones point right as they start speaking.

[@t.w.videos1739]

Sorry but stop typing in english your sentences are awful

[@trumanphan1770]

@@t.w.videos1739 it’s not that bad

[@nofluffagain]

​@@trumanphan1770he just missed a word

[@trumanphan1770]

@@nofluffagain fr its totally understandable

[@evanroy4143]

Donk is like coldzera terminator but so much faster

[@maisamhassani7389]

hooooooly shit thorin just cutting people off so much hahahah

[@D0P3ST]

Would love to see Kyousuke get a shot on the main Spirit team. Electronic for chopper too, and we could be cooking.

[@lucasmcnamee3658]

Surprised nobody's bad take was about bo1. Navi is a team who has consistently made reverse sweeps this year and Navi lost 2 best of 1s. Yeah the other teams played better not taking anything away from them. Just mad at the format

[@Tobygas]

That 12 - 11 round post plant where Im swung from graveyard when Navi had a 2v1 post plant against Insani was dreadful to watch live. Didn't even go wide, just shift walked to give a shoulder and died. That whole comeback on the T-side just for a mf to go for an ego kill instead of letting Aleksib take contact first since they knew he was on site. To be fair though JL could have done literally anything that game so it ain't all on him, but arguably the most crucial round certainly was. That game destroyed their mental for sure

[@nightfire_CSGO]

It’s coming home for Liquid Kappa

[@AnirudhTammireddy]

lol

[@Toropetskii]

On Maui's final point - look at HLTV stats for last 6 months. Either all ranks or top 20 - only Anubis is too T-sided. I think the CT-side pathing is too complex on that map for how far apart the sites feel. The last 1 month is crazy though. Fair.

[@jah9125]

It’s so unfair to say that NA has zero budding talent. Although JBa didn’t come in and dominate in his first major, you have to consider where he came from. JBa was playing Advanced a year ago and now 1 year later finds himself holding his own against EU teams in the freaking major!!! He single handedly carried Wildcard to a comeback victory against Fnatic in the opening game (granted Fnatic isn’t good but if not for JBa they’d have won) He also was the reason they went neck and neck with Furia. JBa needs some time in Tier 1 to gather experience and reps. He’s good. The most obvious budding talent though, is on M80! Reck is a great supportive player that can more than hold his own in Tier 1. Lake is the next NA superstar, Guy is an absolute carry!! Hopefully M80 improve their roster and start finding their footing internationally because Reck & Lake are deserving of all the reps and games overseas that they can get!

[@jah9125]

@ I also feel like he almost always gets his 1 while lurking too. He’s definitely solid. Would easily say he’s the best Anchor/Lurk in NA above Floppy and Jks right now.

[@lucasmcnamee3658]

To counter Maui's point about navi. Yes they missed a few playoffs but every single time they made playoffs this year they went to the final. In the finals they had like 50:50 win rate

[@ThePaull3d]

That last magixx take did not age well haha

[@kripzzy6732]

Yeah, holy

[@bingoprickity]

i really enjoy this show alot, but my god can thorin stop interrupting the other people on the show. just let them speak and then you can talk.

[@etc4xg]

To me this is endearing because I also get over-excited and interrupt people and then only realize after the fact 😂

[@nicholasborgardt976]

@@bingoprickity that’s just how thorin is mate. Hes never not going to do it so it’s not even worth talking about

[@liquidmilk5323]

Oh boy, can you please stop with your "BY THE WAY" cutting people short in what they are trying to say... Like three "By The Way's" in the first minutes of the show, so annoying, just let the person say what they want to say start to finish and before moving to another guest you can add whatever you wanted to add with your "By The Way" etc. This is so disrespectful and just bad, its bonkers.

[@ZymxelTM]

@@liquidmilk5323 new here aye?

[@Velvetec]

The vid is one hour old and your comment 56 minutes (now it's1 hour): where did you see lots of 'by the ways' in the first four minutes? 😒😮‍💨

[@dsv-banshee52]

@@Velveteceven if this comment was exaggerated, if you’re a thorin fan then you should be well aware that he often cuts people off mid sentence

[@chasespell7293]

That's like asking a song bird to sing Meshuggah.

[@IrishCrickets]

You must be new here… last episode I don’t think Hawka said a WORD for the first 15 minutes 😂

[@vokuhila6913]

galil has been insane for the longest, even liked it in go

[@thunderboltstriker]

1:08:00 people complain about how NA feels its self-importance is greater than the reality, but it’s for good reason. Ultimately, financially NA is the most important region as Thorin has mentioned in the past, both for ad revenue and sponsorships. More generally, the Anglosphere is the linguistic region with the most disposable income by far, and NA is the largest population and economic base of that. So from the financial side of esports, having an NA fan base or being able to market oneself as an American team is more important than anything else. Even more than winning potentially, unless winning can lead to a bigger fan base or marketing leverage than simply being a middling NA team would be. I say this as someone who’s not from NA, but has always looked to them as an adoptive region to support as a fellow member of the Anglosphere.

[@jR0xas]

Mollies def needed a nerf but not to this degree, they should've nerfed both sides to CS:GO levels. Now the T's have CS2 mollies that are massive and the CTs have smaller than CS:GO mollies which you can run through easily in a lot of cases.

[@pegichup5163]

Maaraa point is so good

[@15lp15]

So the logic is, navis major win was a fluke cuz they didnt make it far this time, ignoring all the other tournements where they made almost every grand final this year. This means EVERY major winning team that doesnt win a b2b major is just a fluke.

[@kripzzy6732]

No, not his point lol. Its like people are not listening to what he is saying

[@15lp15]

@@kripzzy6732 tell me then

[@kripzzy6732]

@ Watch the video

[@15lp15]

@@kripzzy6732 i watched it, tell me how am i wrong

[@0Adnin]

LETS FCKING GO.... GOAT BLEH.... PRIDE OF INDIA.

[@psychological9890]

one thing I disagree with regarding Cloud9 when mentioned is that they prioritize VALORANT when in reality they don't. CS is definitely more prioritized than VALORANT if we were to compare.

[@marius.1337]

Did senzu ever give that knife back?

[@ayush.y]

Most of Indian Cs fans love G2

[@juanme555]

say what you want about bleh but its undeniable that his 2024 provided us with some of the funniest and most epic content in counter-strike esports ever

[@MusicJunkie37]

He should be celebrated 🎉

[@dmitrykim3096]

CS go is like wrestling sometimes, drama is more important than games

[@ben7ten]

jesus christ Tdog talked for so goddamn long at times i forgot it was a group video

[@nofluffagain]

Good thing he's one of the best to ever do it, or else it might be a bit annoying or grating.

[@ben7ten]

@nofluffagain helps me fall asleep that's for sure. just don't tune into his streams he will doxx women

[@ak_nY]

maui lookin like a 4yr old goin to christmas dinner

[@thunderboltstriker]

Btw, donk is likely part Tartar based on where he’s from in Russia, so you could said he’s Asian if you’re willing to cope.

[@bokonoo77]

Tatars are practically a rape descendants of Russians Plus tomsk itself was founded as military garrison for Russian empire then became haven for exiles and revolutionaries who were overwhelmingly nationalistic aka Russian Basically not a chance plus his surname is common in Belarus as well

[@BobbyRoss-xt8jp]

didn't navi only play against vitality once this year ?

[@rixrobin]

I do not think its a coincidence that when fnatic started falling off in CS correlates to when valorant released and they were making EU “super teams” in that game. Probably spent less on the CS rosters during that time period.

[@mareksicinski3726]

0:23 not primarily from a certain point - Bleh has not been following or focusing that much, more recently a sooosed to general CS. People tend to go for the best known people forst

[@ЯрославКовальский-г8р]

still think Navi is the best team of 2024. the point Maui made about Vitality is nonsense. how is making all the playoffs in S-tier tournaments is better than having 2 more S tier events wins and 1 more grandfinal. if Vitaity wins, they will have 4 grandfinals and 2 wins in S tier events including Major Navi has 7 grandfinals and 4 wins in S tier events including Major

[@pikkanenkappeli7910]

hell yeah

[@juanme555]

1:07:35 Is it too impossible for coL to sell everyone except EliGE and make an NA roster that can potentially compete for the Austin Major???

[@yungdc1428]

Yes

[@juanme555]

@@yungdc1428 what if he disbands all other games? and focuses only on CS

[@yungdc1428]

@@juanme555 who can they get at this point? Liquid isn't going to give up Twistzz or NAF. Its more feasible for Elige to join Liquid for Yekindar. That would be a dangerous team.

[@juanme555]

@@yungdc1428 coL with budget: jBa Lake Steel jeorge Junior

[@9inetap]

Does Maui look Indian or Bleh look Hawaiian

[@t.w.videos1739]

Bleh looks Hawaiian

[@janoycresva919]

arsenal will bottle it again this year

[@dmitrykim3096]

Cs is like soccer - i mean non-american football, popular everywhere outside of NA

[@treyb2228]

This show is perfect I just skip all the garbage Thorin speak and listen to bleh and Maui be actually good at analyzing cs

[@Bukkitall]

Wait, theres two of them??

[@schmeed0000]

99 in 5, feels M4A1 man

[@KeefeL]

Thorin... you can't run and gun with a galil like a Mac-10 😂😂😂 it's just a really good weapon for 1800, and still shoots like a rifle

[@Sxezin]

that thorin needs to chill and talk less

[@llllNEOllllchannel]

he keeps yappin cuz "people dont know"

[@Sxezin]

@ good point but still

[@kiki7340]

G2 won 3 events this year if they win the Major they will be the team of the year... they missed one playoff in IEM Brazil. G2 will have 2 out of the top 4 players on the HLTV top 20.

[@toxichazmat5785]

NA cs is doomed because some of our best talent are literally lazy rich kids like Marved, Cxzi, Truckover, Shanks, etc. Even if half of them weren't matchfixers who went to valorant, we have no fire in our belly because we have nothing to fight for. Contrast that to people on teams like Virtus Pro (infamously long practices) and it's not surprising.

[@toxichazmat5785]

Ironically one of our standout, hardest working players currently is from, *checks notes* Guatemala. Wonder why that is...

[@youngrisey]

Pog 2 MAUIS Pog

[@BBiGiBB]

thorin should breath when he talks lol

[@kripzzy6732]

Doesn’t need to

[@HerbaceousM8]

Bring back the burst Famas, buff the Ump, mp9 is stale AF. cs2 is a rerun of csgo Balance issues and Valve had a chance to do some balance shuffles with a new game and Valve couldnt be bothered. the economy changes didnt help, its way over due for a second swing at it.

[@StrappinYoungChad]

Bleh Clap

[@fredericoo]

Malbs is from Central America xD

[@Cheezperson]

Nice

[@idk863]

At this point i feel like maui is talking shit on snax just to trigger people for drama or whatever just like thorin and kassad did with hooxi. I mean yes snax has better team than hooxi but it's not like hooxi had a bad team? good for hooxi that they let him stay for so long after so many failures, then he got to win blasts, katowice, cologne with all of his teammates overperforming (yes 4 of them). Idk about snax's calling that much i'm not IGL in tier 3/4 cs but his impact just by shooting is so much better than chopper's imo, many clutches, can play awp and other things. Not taking away those instances where he didn't give AK to monesy/niko when they were forcing...

[@kripzzy6732]

Like bro, both are shit IGLs.

[@lamparida3860]

i dont get whats the problem with the game being t sided like its the more tactical side plus its not even true 4 out of the 7 maps are ct sided the problem is that they are not as played plus its not super t sided genererally the t sided maps are 52% favoured the ts (except anubis) i guess its probably a taste dislike but its not to t sided

[@elizabethmurigi1131]

1:25:00 this is why I don't agree with people who say Blad3 is ahead of Zonic in the GOAT debate. Staying at the top is much harder than getting at the top. What Zonic did in 2018/2019 will never be matched. That team was constantly reinventing, innovating and evolving and that is why they were at the top for so long despite being the most studied team. Thorin says it at 1:32:15

[@Velvetec]

1:55:43 He goes what? Lol

[@deyoviC]

Mouz vs G2 final

[@EntrEsprit]

Thorin just can't let his fluke talk go 😂. The thing is, you're looking at it from the wrong angle, they deserved the win on ancient against G2 - they outplayed and outcalled G2 on that map. Same with Faze, Faze wasn't present on Inferno, and they lost. The only angle, which you should be going at is the Spirit and Vitality who could've and probably would've beaten them at that time, but well, obviously they didn't make it to the final

[@ElementalDj]

In through one ear and out through the other eh

[@EntrEsprit]

@ElementalDj how so? Again, my point relies specifically on those G2 and Faze games, because i feel like some people still refuse to understand that they deservedly lost. And it wasn't even surpsiring considering Navi won both these teams before the major too

[@kripzzy6732]

The inability to comprehend what the term fluke means is comical

[@EntrEsprit]

@@kripzzy6732 i legitmately saw people who were arguing that their wins against Faze and G2 is the fluke, and this argument is absurd, because they were better in both of those matchups, that's all I'm arguing about

[@Kelvikaze]

Interesting to hear the European definition of the “Asian” label. I feel like from the NA perspective we specify India as its own thing due to the separate tectonic plate, but that makes less sense when you consider Europe/Asia being the same plate

[@KerplunkTM]

dude nobody thinks in terms of tectonic plates, its 95% looks and accents based distinction

[@Vogurt]

Maui and maui

[@airdoty9273]

If Fnatic really wanna be competitive they gotta make a splash: Blame, Fl4mus, siuhy, nawwk, matys That’s the team

[@elizabethmurigi1131]

Why do you hate siuhy bro? Nawwk in big 2025?

[@sadiatico7]

there is precisely 0 chance siuhy goes to fnatic

[@josh.c36]

NA is cooked

[@acefromspace4376]

cs dev team is cluless

[@KeefeL]

I think the game being more T-sided is actually a good thing. Way more exciting CS compared to the incessant saving Maybe it's a byproduct of MR12

[@nishantnayak3792]

During Mongolz vs g2 game , People were like Why are Chinese fans not cheering for Mongolz? Why are they cheering for g2? Really? Can't you see why? They built the longest wall in the history of mankind to keep Mongolians raiders from attacking their kingdoms, No wonder they don't cheer for Mongols, Not everything is about cs guys

[@bokonoo77]

No china doesn’t have scene so most of the fans usually going to be fan of super stars Plus southern Han chinese have little to no knowledge about either mongols or manchus unlike the northern han Chinese

[@Jerome-iwnl]

If G2 wins this major, they can win team of the year

[@MoppedVAL]

Bleh doesnt know what hes talking about

[@AnirudhTammireddy]

The middle one or the right one?

[@sentonbeeblo170]

I know Thorin interrupts a ridiculous amount, but I think the guests go in knowing that. If they’re ready for it I’m sure they’ve accepted it and it doesn’t bother them that much. Show is still fire.