The MONUMENTAL Collapse of the Ancient Sith & How they Survived - Sith History #4

[@zexalbrony4799]

Obi-Wan: The Sith are persistent. They will not die. Truer words have never been spoken with how the Sith kept surviving during this time despite countless losses and defeats.

[@auroraofclanborealis]

Then again, so are the Jedi. Both Orders will continue to exist as long as there is at least one who remembers their teachings and believes in the cause.

[@lilianemachadostigliano1727]

​@@auroraofclanborealisthe smalest spark of hope can light the largest fire

[@ArtistiqueMusic]

This video should be put into the Sith history megaseries playlist

[@SuperGoose42]

The more I learn about Sith history, the more I realize it's essentially a thought plague. If even one person who follows the ideology survives, even as a specter, or even simply their teachings survive in texts and legends, that can spark a new outbreak of Sith.

[@DeathMessenger1988]

Yeah, and it doesn't help the Jedi _keep giving people (especially their own members) reasons to hate them._ Just take Freedon Nadd for an example. Guy was basically a topical Jedi, even better than Exar Kun because he's described as being a nice joyful person, and they played fucking mind games with him and managed to drive him to murder and the Dark Side!

[@lexiisalicea7726]

​@DeathMessenger1988 literally every group ever will have defectors. He'll the sith seemed to hate themselves more than any jedi hates the order You can't blame the jedi for having rules and standards just because every once in awhile someone has a tantrum and decides to be spiteful

[@DeathMessenger1988]

@@lexiisalicea7726 ...You're serious right now? Your argument has one single problem: Nearly EVERY SINGLE DEFECTOR OF THE JEDI ORDER usually had a VERY GOOD REASON for doing so. -Xandor, Arden Lyn and the Legions of Lettow started fighting the Jeedai Order when the Light Side faction decided they got to monopolize the whole thing and tell people what to do. -Ajunta Pall and his friends wanted to study Force Alchemy so they could grant everyone immortality. The Jedi decided they got to speak for the Force and decide what counts as natural. Basically, the Jedi Order are every anti-stern cell research ever. -Two Words: *SITH. HOLOCAUST.* -Freedon Nadd literally got tricked out of a rightful promotion and recognition because the Jedi decided to do a secret test of character on a perfectly competent and likeable fellow. -Ulic Qel-Droma wouldn't ever have turned in the first place if the Jedi hadn't fucked up with Freedon Nadd centuries ago! -Do I really need to go over Revan, Malak and Meetra Surik? -I'll just reference every single video of Papito Quinn and let Kreia lecture you on why the Jedi Order has always sucked and continued to suck. Short version: Every single thing bad that ever happened because of the Jedi Order is just never THEIR fault, as far as the Jedi are concerned. -The amount of bullshit Revan and Bastila, never mind their descendants, had to deal with after they singlehandedly saved the Jedi's arses. -I could go on forever about all of the Jedi's fuck-ups from the Great Galactic Wars. Hard to tell who fucked the galaxy up more, the Jedi or Vitiate... Oh yeah: VITIATE WOULDN'T EVEN EXIST IF NOT FOR THE JEDI SCHISMS. -Geetsly himself lectured me on how the Jedi Order literally caused the Brotherhood of Darkness. Being that dumb and incompetent should be instantly lethal. -Do I really need to bring up all of Count Dooku's reasons? Or should I just namedrop Galidraan and call it a night? -Look up Cienu Isengardu and his in-depth analysis of how Obi-Wan and the Jedi Order _psychologically fucked Anakin Skywalker up and did all of Darth Sidious' work for them._ Need I go on? The Jedi's defectors are people whom they failed or fucked up, but don't ever want to admit it because that would mean questioning stuff and admitting they aren't fucking perfect or infallible.

[@amberkat8147]

@@DeathMessenger1988 I would like to point out that the Jedi did not murder the Sith species, if that what you were referring to. The rest though- yeah. The Jedi were better than the Sith because Sithness really is a self-destructive thought plague, but the Jedi really didn't have to make it so easy for people to fall.

[@DeathMessenger1988]

@@amberkat8147 _"It was at this moment that the Republic made what might now be considered a mistake: the Sith no longer posed a threat to the Republic, but the Supreme Chancellor was unsatisfied. Jedi and Republic forces were sent to Korriban and other Sith planets to ensure no remnants of the Sith Empire remained."_ Quote by Gnost-Dural, Post-Great Hyperspace War counterinvasion, Wookieepedia. Read that whole fucking page and try telling me the Jedi are innocent of any wrongdoing.

[@Krikario]

I am an avarage Sith Empire enjoyer and your videos about the Sith history make my evening as I swish the wine glass in my hand musing about conquering the galaxy.

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

Chancellor pultimo ordering the sith genocide only made things worse and pushed many of the sith people into the arms of darth vitiate.

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

@tidbitz I'm guessing pultimo didn't have negotiations for a sith surrender on the table or never even crossed his mind.

[@DeathMessenger1988]

I'm gonna reference this part from Darth Vader: Hero of Naboo, Chapter 9, which explains just how bad the Jedi and Pultimo fucked up: _"Why do you hate us?"_ _If Obi-Wan could see through the lenses, he would see Vader blinking slowly, making sure he heard that right. "You want to know why the Sith in general hate Jedi?" Vader counter questioned._ _Obi-Wan stretched out both his hands to his side. "Yes, I suppose," he admitted._ _"That is...a very old question, Padawan. One of the great failings of you Jedi is your inability to comprehend how you created the Sith," Vader answered with a deep breath. He knew well the history of the Sith. Sidious, for everything else, was paranoid. He would never risk the Sith truly falling, even from memory. And in his studies of ancient Sith lords and warriors, and through his power in the Force, Vader understood well the origin of the deep seated Hatred in all that called themselves Sith. "The original Lords of the Sith were Jedi, cast out of your order for practicing in the Dark Side," he reminded._ _Obi-Wan nodded. "I understand th-"_ _"You understand nothing," Vader interrupted sternly. "No Jedi ever has. Even few Sith have, consciously. You raise people from infancy, teach them to have no attachments. But living creatures crave attachment and, importantly, stability. And so, in cutting them off from all else life has to offer, you made them form an attachment. To the Jedi Order. What do you think happens when the only thing you have been raised to care about, something you have been trained to defend and die for, suddenly casts you out? Or worse, turns against you?" Vader questioned._ _"But they shouldn't ha-" Obi-Wan started to protest, only for Vader to glare at him._ _"What. Happens?" Vader repeated coldly._ _"I...don't know. Hatred, I suppose?" Obi-Wan guessed halfheartedly._ _Vader shook his head. "You Jedi are right in your theory, just not your application: It starts with fear. Unimaginable, utter fear at the idea that you can never go home, that everyone you ever cared for hates you now. It leaves one feeling cold and alone, even in a group. Anger becomes an escape, a way to turn your pain outwards if only so you can ignore it for a few, blissful seconds. Anger turns to hatred as they discover no way to truly cope with the loss and pain, leading them on the quest for vengeance," he continued._ _"And hatred leads to suffering," Obi-Wan finished, only to get another head shake._ _"Everyone suffers, Jedi. That boy has suffered in slavery, your grand master has suffered centuries of loss and the queen has suffered the loss of her planet. Suffering is a part of life that seeks no sides, only opportunity," he corrected in a bitter but sage tone._ _"...That still doesn't explain why...your kind still hate us. I mean, most Sith after a point weren't former Jedi," Obi-wan pointed out cautiously._ _"And that is where you all fail to understand the Dark Side completely," Vader answered, almost sounding tired with the topic. "Sith or Jedi, Masters and Apprentices form bonds through the Force, correct?"_ _"Ye-Oh...Ohhhhhh. It's a lot worse than just being a part of the Force corrupted and malformed by hatred and greed, isn't it?" Obi-Wan realized with a wince._ _"The Dark Side has existed for eons, long before either of our Orders were founded, but the Sith hatred for the Jedi is uniquely strong. Why? For thousands of years, the hatred and anger the original Lords of the Sith had for the Jedi Order that abandoned them was subconsciously passed down from master to apprentice, and so on and so forth, with many finding fresh reasons to hate the Jedi anew. It is a mutual, almost hive-minded hatred. One I assume that, after the Great Hyperspace War, the near genocide of the Sith solidified its place in the Force," Vader explained in a monotone. "That is why hatred and anger are so powerful in the Dark Side: there is a great deal of it to be drawn upon."_ _Obi-Wan brought a hand over his face as he soaked all that in. It didn't change his view on the Force or his faith in the light, but by the stars did it make the idea of fighting the Sith more complicated than just them being selfish, evil force-sensitives that abused the gift of the Force. How does one put out ages of amassed hatred?_

[@GeneralGrievous-1138]

He didn't order a Sith genocide, though. The Sith leadership did, ordering the Massassi to fight to the death and the rest to commit mass suicide.

[@Jeffery00cox]

Would love more Freedon Nadd stuff

[@lerneanlion]

Is it possible that if left alone long enough, the Sith Empire based on Onderon could become a major power that rivaled the Galactic Republic?

[@CJ-442]

Unlikely, they were left alone for generations with the Jedi and Republic ignorant that the planet was still ruled by a Sith-worshipping, Dark Side caste, and they were losing to a group of primitives living out in the wilderness so bad that they had to swallow their pride, go out of their way, and ask the Jedi for help.

[@wedgeantillies66]

Not in respect of Onderon, however if the Kraft cult had seized control of the empress teta system of seven planets and all its industrial might and military, that would have been a far more serious problem for the republic and jedi to face down and defeat.

[@nightfall3332]

not a chance in my opinion nowhere near enough manpower to even conquer they're home sector let alone the next populated system.

[@jamiewalsh3349]

"Freedon Nadd may have taken over planet, but we won't stop until we take back our planet from him and his followers. We have tamed the beasts of Onderon, and they will be our allies in our fight against the monarchy. So for now, let the battle be here in the wilderness of Onderon. And let it be called Beast Wars!" - A Beast Rider probably called Optimus Primal

[@rixdjemso9926]

Geetsley, where is number 5 I live with content especially their history

[@goldeagle6431]

The Senate’s intellect is monumental.

[@Hugin-N-Munin]

Truly, possessing the level of genius so rarely found in root vegetables. A wonder to behold

[@Echo99k]

Love your videos geetsly’s

[@UnswimmingFishYT]

This video is currently labeled as unlisted. Unsubscribed people might not be able to find it.

[@rob_bert0]

Not sure why but this is not in the "Playlist" for these Sith History vids and it jumps right from #3 to #5.

[@thatman666]

Whelp, this video got unlisted for now.

[@samfordmagnus7774]

Why is this video missing from the playlist

[@InquisitorXarius]

Where is the Darth Krayt Video?

[@watercannonscollaboration2281]

What happened to the algorithm on this one?

[@fernandobarreto2819]

But this isnt part 3 dude you skip one

[@davidordaz5251]

True

[@lexiisalicea7726]

This video doesn't seem to be in the sith history Playlist correctly

[@Real_RPGgaming]

Where’s with history episode 3?

[@rixdjemso9926]

#5 please

[@raptorzeraora2632]

Why did #4 upload before #3?

[@DarthImagnus0790]

The jedi and old Republic didnt genocide the sith, that is true. But they believed that they did.

[@rixdjemso9926]

I k ow u said you’d release these every week-2 weeks…recently I found this #4 vid and I’d been searching yet it says it had been released weeks prior to finding it. Is #5 already out yet can’t find it somehow?

[@Breakdowns04]

Um… how exactly does one go about accidentally destroying an entire star system?

[@chrischin_94]

Apparently they used ancient technology that helped move the star and planets and it sploded... I don't see how it's relevant and why it's the Third Great Schism when that honor SHOULD have been given to the Old Sith Wars

[@decepticonxhunter4850]

In simplest terms, messing around with forces that one doesn't completely understand or is able to control.

[@Ardi337]

"The night before, he partied too hard and died of a ruptured stomach" So basically, the Sith turned into college fraternity. 🤔

[@anti-liberalismo]

Yes, he did order a genocide of the species and a brutal massacre of civilians, Korriban had a population of 9,6 Billion people and there is no way they all died in mass suicides

[@SenVerweij]

Whats up with this video? It just showed up on your channel, follows on #1 but says #4, barely has any views and no comments? Wtfrick

[@t95kush27]

#5?? Please?! :)

[@aster4jaden]

I like Freedon Nadd more than Naga Sadow. I think your Videos are being suppressed.

[@pyeitme508]

Wow 😳

[@mauricebarlow4844]

Yes please more Sith Lords Freeden Nad

[@lennartgamer2339]

Guten Abend meine Herren.

[@jonathandiaz4997]

3 months ago

[@wedgeantillies66]

Sith are like cockroach's, just when you think you got rid of them, they pop out of the ground in a new location and proceed to cause problems for the local surrounding space and eventually the mainstream galactic republic if left unchecked for long.

[@bjornhjorvardssen2336]

What do you call an onderonian king post the death of Nadd? Naddy Light

[@ryanabcdef12345]

unlisted lmao

[@midwestdbs5967]

Lol partying to hard so he died . Darth Andrew W.K

[@mstrgamer6212]

Second comment

[@ybmsimba2410]

1st comment

[@Mallory-Malkovich]

Of all the silly sounding Star Wars names I've heard, 'Freedon Nadd' is the most recent. Who would follow a guy called 'Lord Nadd?'

[@gamercore5216]

really? he appears in a lot of stuff the first Kotor game for example

[@maleexile9053]

​@@gamercore5216hell you get to go in his tomb in kotor 2

[@mcsrgen4782]

3rd comment

[@rixdjemso9926]

Love sith…not live with

[@alexhudson277]

You can't properly say that it isn't a genocide that the carried out. As you have multiple videos where uyou have stated it was exactly that. And genocide isn't defined by success, not strictly speaking. The Jedi and Republic participated in genocide, and willingly did so.

[@NikolaiOrelovGNR]

he's just in denial that his prefered side did something bad and are rightfully criticized for it

[@DeathMessenger1988]

Geetsly's videos are cool, but he's extremely pro-Jedi to the point of cringe. Just look at his description of Freedon Nadd. He's purposefully hiding the fact that Freedon Nadd was basically a nice guy with top marks and the Jedi decided to play one of those stupid secret tests of character on for no goddamn reason. His own Master goaded him into a duel and let herself be killed, which drove him over the edge.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

If our world might have become a better one had the likes of Hitler been either aborted, drowned to death while a child, or killed on the WW1 trenches, then the Star Wars Legends universe would have become better had the Daragons not been saved by Jedi Knights Odan-Urr and Memit Nadill.

[@maleexile9053]

Umm what

[@Chris-bv4ko]

You aren't pronouncing the word "heretic" correctly. It sounds like hair-uh-tic

[@amberkat8147]

Maybe it's a British thing? Like that absolutely bizarre pronunciation of sarcophagus.

[@SurnaturalM]

Australian. ​@@amberkat8147

[@nomercyinc6783]

the sith were a race, not a religion

[@davidordaz5251]

They were a religion and cult

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

All three