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[@demitrisolvinski]

3 shot groups don't count, Sir. That is not anywhere near a true 1/4 moa gun...

[@phild9813]

Meh. I’m good with 3 shot groups that can be repeated. Cherry picking one good 3 shot group is pretty useless.

[@UngulateGuardian797]

I have been running a 6 Creedmoor the past three years for hunting and I couldn’t be happier. From prairie dogs to bull elk, I’ve been elated with the results.

[@stewartw7248]

I really like my 6 creedmoors. Normally use my 30 cal rifles for elk. What bullet did you use for elk?

[@sombojoe]

First time ever shooting a center fire rifle was my friends 6.5 CM, and I was hitting steel at 400 yards the very first shot and 800 yards by the end of the session.

[@inky8123]

@@stewartw7248 108 ELDM OR 115 nose ringed DTAC for 6mm on big game. Keep your impacts above 1800-1900 fps and you’re absolutely lethal.

[@UngulateGuardian797]

@@stewartw7248 108 ELDM

[@stewartw7248]

​@inky8123 I mostly use 108 eldm and 108 berger. We go predator calling sometimes during bear season. If it works on elk should be ok for bear then if we have one come in. Thanks

[@madmat990]

If you can find the older YT video, George Gardner (G.A. Precision) explains that 6GT was built specifically to optimize a 6mm bullet/case combo employing Varget powder. And feed well.

[@GuyGooding-q9o]

PRS is the current darling of the competitive rifle world , but don't take those rifles to a benchrest match & expect to win . Benchrest may have lost popularity but still holds all records for smallest groups !! Jim Carmichael set a record with his 6mm ppc , 10.5 lb rifle class , 5 -5shot groups averaged 0.1441 inches !! Years ago the 222 remington was used to set a world record group of just 0.009 inches ! Still amazing accuracy by today's standards with all of our technology . Cheers & have fun with the shooting sports .

[@elcidcampeador9629]

Yeah, the thought cane to me during the video: you could take this ides to the extreme and throw a benchrest rifle out there and then ask “can we make a hunting rifle out of it?” No, you cannot, unless you happen to look like 1980s Schwarzenegger.

[@imnobody7765]

PRS and benchrest are to completely different sports, though. A single load solid action vs. repeater. stationary vs. dynamic. Of course, a sport where you single loading off a bench with a semi fixed rifle is going to be inherentlty a more accurate system than a shooter running around, and shooting in awkward position is going to be less accurate still hitting .3 moa groups. Apples to Oranges. Both fruits but are completely different in everything else. Don't get me wrong. Both sports are fun and serve their purpose, but no one is claiming there prs gun would win a benchrest, same goes for the benchrest/f class guys none of them are going to a prs match expecting to win the match. Either would probably do well, but there is not a chance of winning

[@GuyGooding-q9o]

@@elcidcampeador9629 Mr. Carmichael's record was in the 10.5lb light varmint class . A single shot yes , but you could still carry & hunt with it . Not so with that 20lb prs tactical/ sniper set up . The heading of the video was world's most accurate rifle & cartridge , not the most popular prs setup .

[@K-bob_45]

@@GuyGooding-q9o and luckily the heavy gun record holder is 300 wsm still right? So you can definitely elk hunt with a benchrest cartridge lol

[@jacobcastro1885]

Still a fan of Hi Power... 3 positions with rapid fire segments.

[@omaralonzo7498]

Lot of my customers hunt with this round. And yes, you can get those same results with a hunting set up

[@bobmcmillen4502]

I hope the hunting audience realizes that hit probability in hunting is dominated by wind and not little groups. Get a true 3/4 inch gun and go figure out how to read the wind.

[@brockedandloaded6034]

Depends on hunt. Where I hunt wind doesn't matter at all. There is no wind.

[@SammyMoore-tg5gs]

Especially tiny 3 shot groups. Unless you stack them, they are irrelevant.

[@SammyMoore-tg5gs]

@@brockedandloaded6034 there is always wind

[@brockedandloaded6034]

@@SammyMoore-tg5gs not "relevant" wind.

[@SammyMoore-tg5gs]

@@brockedandloaded6034 do you hunt in a vacuum?

[@eskimoreloader]

I use 6mm ARC

[@mikeflanders2173]

Same!!!

[@SammyMoore-tg5gs]

Bolt action 6 arc gets the same velocity as the 6 dasher with more available brass and less powder. Great cartridge

[@logant4217]

"What the pros use" can definitely be a cool tool but keep In mind, a bunch of dudes are sponsored by those companies so they don't really have a choice of what they're using lol

[@williammoore6067]

but they have a choice in who sponsors them, thereby deciding what they shoot.

[@ChadKelly7]

The title caught my attention, so I am checking it out. Surprised to learn this is a very similar build to my first attempt to make a PRS rifle, lol. 6 Creedmoor, Impact action with Bartlein barrel chambered by Stuteville, MDT chassis, Vortex Razor. I built this with the intent to have something beyond my beginner capabilities for the last year. Starting my 2nd year of PRS now, first match of our season next Sunday the 29th! I have been working up my own loading, and getting some 5 shot .24 MOA groups during testing! I have videos here on my channel showing my progress from building the rifle last summer, first matches and the practice and prep I do between matches as well as match reviews after each match. Today will be getting my final ammo testing done, confirm at distance and then I will be set for this first match! Hoping to start at a much better position than last year at my first match, lol. If anyone wants to follow along with someone getting into PRS and showing my mistakes and successes, come on over and check me out! I am happy to have more people watch and give me tips and suggestions to improve!! Have a great Sunday everyone, and wish you all a great week!!!

[@larsmils2994]

Basically did this. I run a lonepeak fuzion, 24" Cfw barrel in 6bra in a manners LRH ~7.5lbs unscoped, most accurate gun, mild recoil. Great for blacktail

[@8d4o0c4]

.33 is 1/3 Minute. Still crazy good, but not quite 1/4 Minute.

[@dougchandler1248]

Wasn't your beloved 308 mosberg cybornized into a 6 dasher? Thereis you a new hunting rifle.

[@SammyMoore-tg5gs]

This is probably the precursor video to the introduction of that rifle.

[@jacttackle57]

I’m a rifleman raised by a family of riflemen I sure wished my father was here to see how good rifles have become great video

[@nikos6220]

Looking forward to the hunting version. Let’s get rid of 4” of barrel, replace the obnoxious brake with a lightweight suppressor and put it into a HNT26

[@danielhurst8863]

Skip the Dasher and go straight to 6GT if precision shootning using magazines is your thing. The Dasher is meant for a single feed and it a tad short for super reliable feeding from a magazine. As to why so few hunt with a 6mm Dasher or 6GT is that it is so hard to find rifles in them. Even finding 6.0 Creedmoor is not easy. Few hunting rifles come in those calibers, and most people are hunting with off the shelf rifles, not something they have custom built or had custom built.

[@gesheepistemology8050]

6GT is my baby in all the 6's.... followed by 6CM. Many PRS are going to 6.5 like 6.5 x 47.

[@Trinitystillmyname]

If they chambered more 6gt and 6 arc. There would be no reason to chamber any other 6mm cartridge. Once you get a custom barrel spun on your fav. Platform. You will question buying factory rifles. Also browning makes 6 gt.rifles It sells out quickly

[@Racketeerof89]

I reload for 6mm CM. Bullets are pretty common due to people shooting 6 Arc now.

[@k4391]

Dasher or straight 6br freed great out of a Hawkins hunter mag with there spacer kit. I’ve built quit a few for customers

[@therowdyrue7768]

@@TrinitystillmynameThe 6 GT and 6 ARC do everything the 6 Creedmoor and 243 does except slower

[@yukon4545]

What Daniel said. 6GT, made specifically to deal with the magazine issues.

[@jaymiller393]

Dasher is better than GT on feeding! 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@Sg16-]

@@jaymiller393how so???? You have to adjust feed lips to feed. With the 6mmgt you can use any standard 308/6.5 creed mag without doing anything 🤦‍♂️

[@killerfungis]

Is the GT winning? (ie more accurate?)

[@Sg16-]

@@killerfungis a lot of cartridges win matches such as the 6mm bra, 6 gt, 6 Dasher, 6 creed etc but the 6mm gt definitely wins on feeding

[@DougJohnson-g5f]

I have a 6 GT in a bergara competition shoots a 10-round group 0.4-.5 109 bergers at 2940

[@chrism2042]

The most accurate rifle I have shot and deer hunted with for several years until I stopped hunting is an original Rem 700 Sendaro 25-06 with 26" heavy barrel. I purchased that rifle when they were first introduced about 30 years ago. Out of the box, adjusted the trigger and mounted a scope, worked up hand loads and settled on Nolser 100 gr ballistic tip. I still pull that rifle out once every few years, it will still shoot 5-shot ragged hole groups at 100 yrd with the same handloads.

[@Catgat37]

My new production Remington 700 tactical 308 is a frickin tack driver with all 168gr factory loads I have tried.

[@ShovelMonkey]

Factory ammo is decent, and can never approach the accuracy that hand loads tuned to the rifle will give you. Powder, primer, brass and bullet selection make a world of difference.

[@Catgat37]

@@ShovelMonkey I am aware of this. But as someone just getting into rifle shooting, I have yet to start loading my own. So many things I need.....so little money.

[@ShovelMonkey]

@@Catgat37 You will learn that as you handload, you will shoot more because it costs less per round. *HOWEVER* this addiction only grows, and you will find yourself spending more and more money on this hobby. Car guys experience the shame trouble, My '68 Barracuda _NEEDS_ that Hurst shifter, those superstock leaf springs and a set of 1.12" torsion bars for the street and drag torsion bars for the track, upgraded brakes, tunnel ram and dual carburetors, TTI headers, H-pipe (X-pipes are to make your car sound like eurotrash 6 bangers), 4.10 gears in that Dana 60, Forged Weld wheels, M/T drag radials, moly cage, fiberglass front clip, lexan windows, fully built a727, 400 block, forged 3.915 crank, forged I-beam (not H beam) connecting rods, forged pistons, TrickFlow heads, ARP head and header studs, Ferrea hollow stem intake valves, conical valve springs, tool steel retainers fuel pump, pressure regulator, timing gear, dry sump oil and cooling system, crank scraper, and finally to top it off, a set of fuzzy dice. Word of advice, chose ONE hobby. If you decide to be a car guy AND a gun guy, it's gonna be a LOT of fun, but your wallet will feel mighty light! ;)

[@Catgat37]

@@ShovelMonkey I have been a gun guy for years. Mainly handguns. It can be expensive. But the rifles are getting crazy. After a bunch of upgrades, one of my Remington 700s is now more expensive than my Mark 23.

[@Accuracy1st]

I've got a factory Tikka T3x 270 that shoots this well with 150 NBTs, 1x fired Win brass neck sized with a bushing, then over a turn mandrel, 210 match primers H4350 or IMR4831 slow but accurate and deadly at 2830fps and another Tikka T3x stainless 270 that does even better with 150 Berger VLDs over H4831SC, 1x fired Win brass prepped the same way also around 2800fps. So yes, this kind of accuracy can easily be achieved in a hunting rifle.

[@life_of_riley88]

As I understand it, the same rifle in 6.5x55 is almost always just the same experience. They know something over there at Tikka/Sako.

[@mac65utube]

​@life_of_riley88 I'm running a Sako 85 Finlight 6.5x55, I reload for fun, pretty much just neck size, load the powder and go although I'm pretty anal with the powder and OAL. I've recently switched to 143 gr ELD-X and have settled into a load that shoots 5 shots into a raggedy hole at 100m.

[@Accuracy1st]

​@@life_of_riley88 I've considered a Tikka in that cartridge for 2 years now. I do have three Tikkas in 6.5CM I'm taking to the range today. 2 are left hand stainless T3x Lites, one is a RH stainless superlite (my wife's rifle with a Backfire pad). No clue why I bothered with some handloads to test but I did. All 3 of these shoot factory Norma Whtietail 140s, Norma Bondstrike 140s, and Sellier&Bellot 131s like a competition rifle. I don't care what anyone says, the 6.5CM is definitely "inherently accurate." I've never witnessed anything like it. I loaded up 130 Nos. ABs over Staball 6.5. Also testing 143ELDX over Superformance, Staball 6.5, and IMR4350

[@thomassophiea]

I 100% believe you, I have 2 and they both do. Tikka is ridiculously precise. Their hunting rifles make $3000 target rifles (some I own) look stupid.

[@Accuracy1st]

@@thomassophiea In the last 2 years I've sold several custom rifles because the Tikkas shoot just as well.

[@MRTEE-sy7sb]

Jim’s chasing unicorns now! Counting the days to when I see a Prometheus powder scale on the channel…😁

[@backfire]

I got two Supertricklers instead 😀

[@DougJohnson-g5f]

​@@backfireI've been thinking about upgrading from my matchmaster is it worth it

[@kensmith8832]

The EC Tuner stands out! 6mm is the most desired bullet for accuracy. I use the 6mmARC. The most common issues I have found is finding hunting ammo for some cartridges. Most hunters use factory ammo.

[@SammyMoore-tg5gs]

Use the 108 eld-ms from Hornady. Incredibly effective as a hunting bullet

[@aaronobrien2004]

My elk hunting rig and my .223 wyld are both bartlien barrels. Both consistently shoot half MOA. Some days 1/4 MOA. Much of the results are because of the barrel.

[@vervi1jw1]

Bartlein barrels are so good. Unbelievable quality control from them.

[@inky8123]

Love my Dasher, I had the same thought. “I should hunt with this”.. instead I built a 6CM to gain some fps out of less barrel. My 6CM is 8-9 lbs complete and it shoots sub 1/2 minute 5 shot groups all day. The modern 6mm’s are a cheat code. And they will drop a lot more than “medium” game, heavy for caliber 6’s efficiently dispatch plenty of elk and moose every year.

[@rustynut1967]

6x47L is better IMO, another 75fps with 109s and all 3 in the same hole. 😊

[@PorscheSpeedster-kz6nc]

I like that idea to turn it into a lighter weight rifle. Only thing I would have changed was to also properly zero in to the center target.

[@PoliticallyInsensitive]

Now if only Varget was in stock anywhere that didn't price it between $60 and $70 a pound. Also (and this is purely subjective) you don't need 0.25 moa from a hunting rifle.

[@45-70Guy]

If varget is that much now I don’t want to even look

[@brandiwynter]

Kind of makes you wonder where the fourth and fifth round might go.

[@jeremysalter152]

In the same hole.

[@brandiwynter]

@@jeremysalter152 probably so, even more reason to show it.

[@jeremysalter152]

@brandiwynter he commonly shoots 3 shot groups, it's a habit I think.

[@brandiwynter]

@@jeremysalter152 I know and get the reason, because it's hunting oriented and you aren't going to shoot more than three at any time but considering the nice guns he shoots it would be great to see some five shot groups. This rifle would probably still be sub moa with five shots but I've seen a lot of "very accurate" rifles print three shots under an inch and throw the other two well over an inch. It always makes me wonder when I see guns shooting good three shot groups.

[@elterga6224]

Yeah, I’d like to see a 10 shot aggregate

[@Sg16-]

6mm gt best all around. Right in between a 6mm Dasher and a 6mm creed. Also great barrel life

[@moshkid16]

6ARC spanks all those rounds.

[@Sg16-]

@@moshkid16harder to get good speed out of the 6arc before hitting pressure but it is a great cartridge

[@traviscohan9016]

@@moshkid16 Absolutely not. No PRS pros use an ARC for a reason.

[@boydw1]

@@moshkid16 6 ARC (like 6.5 Grendel) is about squeezing as much performance as possible out of an AR15 5.56 NATO length cartridge / action. It's impressive for what it is, and getting respectably close to the top target cartridges. Though for typical hunting within 300 yards in an AR15 the 6.5 Grendel might be slightly better - with ~20gr more bullet, and ~200fps less velocity the energy is almost identical, but the larger bullet will likely have slightly better terminal performance.

[@therowdyrue7768]

@@moshkid16in what world?

[@ryananderson2860]

Seriously love this concept Jim! Look forward to the coming videos!

[@KyleRothanzl]

Impeccable timing on this. I have machined a 6mm dasher and have followed the PRS shooters information. Well I just loaded up 50 pcs using 105 gr hybrid target and target. Then 50 pcs using the 108 gr elite hunters using Varget. I did go with the proof carbon fiber barrel and purchased my own reamer and machined myself. MDT box mags for the win along with an MDT field stock. All I can say is after shooting both the loads today it's stupid accurate. All groups were less than .318" shooting out to 500 yds. This will be my go to hunting rig with the 108 elite hunters for mule deer this fall. I've got a lot of room for improvement as I haven't even began load development, but I know this will truly be a tack driver. Thanks for the video topic and keep em coming!

[@foubert45]

MDT Canadian Stock company 💯 👌🏻

[@rmartuszewski]

so a Canadian company making money off gun owners, when canada is so commie and anti gun….😂😂😂😂

[@AussieBenchrestShooting]

I am blown away by the precision of this rifle setup! The fact that it consistently shoots tiny groups with zero load development is mind-blowing

[@jimyeats]

It’s because load development and nodes are largely more of a myth than anything.

[@Pat-876]

⁠@@jimyeats I just got into reloading last fall. I like to learn as much as possible. Can you explain more about how load development and nodes are a myth? I’m just curious.

[@jimyeats]

@@Pat-876 So historically folks put massive stock in ladder tests and finding a “node” where the stars seemingly align, usually via 3 shot or 5 shot groups. Current knowledge is seeming to indicate that those groups are so small that they are statistically insignificant. And not actually indicating pertinent differences, generally speaking. Some of the better shooters along with guys like Bryan Litz and the engineers at Hornady have largely shown that nodes and most of the tiny variations we make as hand loaders typically make little difference. Now, as a placebo effect does it make a difference? Maybe.

[@hunteranglin3750]

You need to talk to quarter minute magnums if you want a hunting rifle to shoot like that

[@michaelbayerl1683]

FWIW, 6 Creedmoor is a very similar cartridge, but maybe a little more forgiving as a hunting load with slightly more velocity and energy than 6 Dasher. Load development may be a little more forgiving in the Dasher, but ammo / brass is way more available for 6CM. FWIW, I currently shoot 6GT for PRS and like it so much that I have a custom 6 Creed hunting rifle coming from GA Precision soon with an Impact NBK (lighter version of 737R), 20" Bartlein GAP #4 contour, 1:7.5 fluted barrel in a Manners LRH stock. I'm guessing that this will wind up with very similar performance to your 6 Dasher build. Maybe you will spring for a carbon fiber barrel if your budget allows.(?) Good luck!

[@Fudmottin]

The barrel is the rifle. All you really need is for the rest of the parts to be stiff enough that they don't move about when the bullet is moving down the bore. And, after recoil, it's nice if it all sets back down into the same position again. You can certainly take a lot of cost and weight off of that rifle and not hurt accuracy. Go with a regular muzzle brake. You can use a cheaper trigger. Go with a lighter chassis. Go with an ordinary bubble level attached to the rail. Keep the action and barrel as is.

[@clayp520]

Great idea...look forward to what can be applied to a hunting rifle.

[@jeremystyron9721]

The 6x284 and the 6.5x284 is extremely accurate I know I have one so the question is that the caliber your shooting

[@K-bob_45]

@@jeremystyron9721 the 284 win casing was setting records right up until Hornady convinced everyone there was something wrong with it

[@CatDaddySteve]

David Tubbs developed this decades before the Dasher , its called the 243 XC =Cross Country.....The 284 Shehane is also an acurracy monster

[@charlesludwig9173]

Cross the course, not cross country

[@stephenadams8584]

Yep I am already on the way collecting bits and pieces of this type set up . I went to a couple PRS matches this year with a new friend who shoots an 18 lb custom 6mm Dasher . I acted as a spotter . At the end of the 1st match after talking with all the competitors in our 6 man group . 2 were shooting 6BR . 2 were shooting 6 Dasher . 1 was shooting anew 25 Wildcat (can’t remember back in April) . 1 was shooting a 6 GT (Hornady factory loads) . I was able to shoot all the 6mm BR , Dasher , GT . I have a Savage model 12FV 6.5CM that shots 5/8ths” group with my factory hunting ammo . I’ve had 2 shoulder surgeries on my shooting shoulder and I want to step down to a 6mm and after watching and shooting and talking I’ve been parts collecting to build this rifle I decided to go with the 6GT as I don’t want to have to deal with The Dasher case forming , donut ring , maybe outside neck trimming . So I’ve picked the 6GT has awesome brass ready to load and shoot , has a little extra powder room , and AICS mags work without having to jack with the magazine spacer and fiddling with getting mag to run reliably. I am going with a heavy bull barrel as I still hunt mostly and if I do any stalking it won’t be for any extended time or distance. Trigger tech Diamond , I haven’t decided which chassis system I’m going to with with yet but the barrel has been ordered got a receiver ready so maybe late October or so I’ll be ready for some Whitetail or hogs in Texas . 🎉

[@SCmnoutdoors]

I load for my Browning A-bolt Medallion in 270 and easily get .25 moa, as long as I'm in the zone, 64 and cataracts forming has been having an effect on my zone 😒I enjoy your videos, just got done watching the one that your boy got his first elk with the 7 PRC, congrats to him!!! Keep up the good work.

[@shanerorko8076]

Some people shoot 6 dasher and 6 BR in F-open, for the recoil, but once you get out to 1000y plus the 7mm cartridges start to shine. Hell I would shoot 300 PRC or 300 WBY with 240grn bergers if muzzle brakes were allowed in F-open. I'm building a 7mm atm 10kg rifle (max weight in F-open) witha 180gr berger @2700fps it has 9 joules of recoil, from what I have seen anything under 10 joules is fine.

[@billycoleman8731]

Use a suppressor - many in PRS use a can, and I know of at least one ranch near me that asks hunters to run suppressed.

[@jamescartwright8045]

Spent $1k buying a Ruger American Predator 6.5 Grendel and Vortex Diamondback Tactical. 5 shot group .386

[@sdpy15]

Finding the magic setup that shoots lights out is a fantastic feeling, especially if you know it can hunt well. Thankfully I found my "do it all" rifle, and load on my first precision build. It gets 1/4 moa or better on every group at 100 yards, and has the ability to make 2" groups at 1200 yards given a stable wind. The kicker: the whole build cost under 4 grand CAD and weighs a touch over 14lbs. Tikka Varmint barrelled action in 6.5 creed MDT XRS chassis MDT Ckye Pod on an arca rail Bushnell Match Pro 5-30 143 gr ELDX Hornady brass trimmed to spec and set back 2 thou IMR 4350 at 39.5 gr with a secret seating depth slightly over 2.8 OAL (2500 fps at the muzzle) Ginnex large rifle primers After shooting this gun for almost two years I have given up hope of going back to traditional hunting rifles and I'm willing to lug around a relatively heavy gun in the woods if it means I have the confidence to make a perfect hit every time the I pull the trigger.

[@jaredharlan238]

Build a similar 20 lb 6.5 PRC with similar components and see what the accuracy is.

[@patrickgjorven7832]

If only the ammunition was factory available, then you would have hunters drooling for it. That's why Hornady created the 6mm Creedmoor, and 6mm ARC for the AR15.

[@toddjenest3212]

Pete from @ImpactShooting has been shooting 6 Dasher forever in PRS.

[@chengsterboi07]

Hard for the average guy to get these wildcat rounds because not everyone can afford to reload and get all those. I personally buy off the shelf ammo and common calibers for hunting. But it is always good to see these videos

[@John_439]

Exactly. And when I get half minute accuracy with my 308 and factory ammo why spend a crazy amount for something barely better.

[@Trinitystillmyname]

6 gt is a ON THE SHELF ammo. Hornady makes it. Welcome to 2024. I get it though. Hal's gun shop in bfe probably does not carry 6gt. So somewhat valid point.

[@John_439]

@@Trinitystillmyname yah definitely not in stock anywhere and twice the price of any normal calibers

[@buzby80]

You can get into reloading cheap enough. Single stage press, beam scale, etc. you can get a Lee reloading kit for under $200. A decent box of off the shelf ammo is at least $40. It’s not a far bridge by any means.

[@John_439]

@buzby80 yah I rewload but doesn't mean I want to do another 2k rifle build and start tge load development for something barely better than what I use.

[@averagejoeshooting800]

Cortina did the needs more series... started from garbage and stepped it up to see what upgrades and what variables did the most for accuracy... This can be the "how much is really needed" series... where you start from the top, and start switching out parts and upgrades until you see it start to affect accuracy...

[@Trinitystillmyname]

Barrels, brass, bullet....... since we are talking cortina. That is what you need according to him

[@averagejoeshooting800]

@@Trinitystillmyname that's what I hear. But I also hear recoil management plays a huge part... and I have f class shooters swearing that I have to do seating depth tests and powder charge tests... and Cortina sells tuners and swears they work, but Hornady claimed that was just noise in the data...

[@bryceywelker]

You might have a true "industry changing" concept for this rifle development of best hunting rifle

[@Eric--zs6um]

The Dasher jas been around for awhile. My old mentor, who has passed away, a 5 shot group at 600 yards measuring .989. He missed a wind call on last shot. Fantastic cartridge. Sweet rifle.

[@fgutie35]

If those groups are at 100yds, I have seen gas guns in 6.5 grendel, do just as good. I built a AR in 6.5Grendel for less than $350 dollars that produced 1/2" groups @100yds with off the shelf Hornady 123ELD Match. Bear Creek Upper $189, Complete PSA lower $99 E-Lander mag $25. Pre-Covid prices.

[@davidlynch3077]

Yup, I built a 20” fluted stainless barreled 223 wylde from bear creek sub moa / 1/2 moa and have shot 1/4 moa with factory cartridges . primary arms 4-14x44 I think I have about $750 in the rifle build

[@luckymanham302]

@@davidlynch3077I did the same with a billet receiver set, 20” Premium Ballistic Advantage 6mm arc barrel, POF 3.5lb single stage trigger and the Primary Arms SLX 4-14x Grid. It shoots sub moa easily. (1/2moa typically). Cost me about $1000.

[@tommyallred5936]

My cheap BCA .450 bushmaster 18” heavy barrel shoots 1/2” groups at 100 yards using Hornady black. People drastically underestimate the black rifle its accuracy and its usefulness. “You can’t hunt with an AR-15.” Mine will easily take everything on this continent as long as you can be within a couple hundred yards.

[@CodyCarlson-d5t]

We build custom rifles, our own stocks, we wrap barrels, the works. Maybe one scope we mount on a rifle in one hundred, is a Vortex. Leupold and Night Force seem to be the choice for most. Shot a large mule deer at 730 with a six creed. Dropped on the spot. Supressed, 18" barrel. Rifle, scope, bipod, total weight under seven pounds.

[@wisco_guy]

Perfect rifle for PRS. Definitely too heavy for hunting, so I’m interested in seeing what is changed for a hunting setup. As for the 12oz trigger, that’s fine for punching paper in a controlled environment, but that’s too light for hunting.

[@danlsmock]

I recently finished my first competition style rifle in 6gt. All my previous rifles have been for hunting. My first time at the range it felt like cheating because with no load development my groups were around .3 moa. Total price on my build was under 3k including glass. I call it my "value" build since some items like the action were mid tier. At 19lbs I won't be hunting with it unless it's something like rockchucks where I don't have to hike far.

[@nikos6220]

Inherently accurate… somebody watched too much Hornady marketing content 😁. How about a 1893 inherently accurate video. Give a 6.5x55 SE a heavy Bartlein and a custom chamber. Would be super interesting to see how accurate that old cartridge is

[@lavenderlilacproductions]

I've wondered if Modern development to 6.5 Swedish would keep up with the wildcats.

[@eawrightjr]

Any cartridge can be super accurate when every detail / aspect of the rifle is planned and set up properly. But most people just see something like this and assume that this is the second coming of Christ therefore making everything prior obsolete.

[@nikos6220]

@@eawrightjr dito

[@txdoodlebug]

My deer rifle is a 6 dasher. It is light maybe 7 pounds, feeds reliably through an internal 700 style magazine, and shoots .2-.3” groups with 108gr elite hunters.

[@JacksonMalcolm]

People really down talk how important the right equipment is. I'm glad you made this video. The fast bullet with low recoil in a heavy rifle plays a big part, second probably only to the barrel. But keeping the dwell time of that bullet in the barrel to a minimum combined with a rifle that doesn't move much to begin with will generally yeild good results.

[@vikingsoftpaw]

I just can't get into chassie rifles. As to the cartridge, my latest edition of Cartridges of the World is full of round that didn’t quite make it.

[@randysmith8604]

Me either. I prefer a the old Montecarlo stocks .

[@Its_0zzy]

Lot of guys are shooting foundation stocks

[@randysmith8604]

@@Its_0zzy they work well and are more accurate.

[@prjndigo]

There's no way I'm going to spend $12k for a rifle that simply doubles the range at which I can get $700 of meat twice per year? Most hunting occurs on terrain where "where you stand" is far more important than how accurately you can shoot and beyond the fact that a .243 is illegally small in most states for anything that isn't vermin its also just not a reliable enough dropping round to save you a three mile drag. For 20lbs I can tape a pair of .308 together and be 2x as likely to get a drop at a roughly comparable range... you don't have to win a Kewpie to drop dinner. This is definitely a "cool story bro" but...

[@WDLC1911]

Yes, agreed. As an engineer, I’m intensely interested in such multiple thousands of dollar rigs but for hunting? Only if I have Rothschild money and in superb conditioning and strength. *Horses for courses*

[@kx5e]

The videos I've seen testing the EC Tuner Brake are convincing that it is an effective device in helping shrink a group size as well as mitigate recoil. I think it is worth the investment. The price is not cheap but also not outrageous. There are a lot of other popular brakes in the same price range. Great shooting Jim. Enjoyed the video as usual.

[@kennethking817]

I've spent 10's of thousands of dollars trying to get a rifle that would group like that and on day I stopped in at a Pawn shop by my house and purchased a 03-A3 Remington barrel dated 1942 for $325.00 and I went home and the next weekend went to the range and shot it with a load I worked up , Only made 5 of those rounds and I couldn't believe it just 1 ragged hole I've never looked at another rifle since 30 years ago and still shoots the same .

[@jerrykirk2126]

I grew up in very rural north eastern California. Near the Oregon/ Nevada borders. My family was dependent on the Timber and Lumber industry, and I had to hunt to help put food on the table. My playground as a child was millions of acres of deep forest, rivers and creeks. I have had my own guns for as long as I can remember. All were used, old, and cheap when they came into my hands. But they put a lot of meat on my family's table. Most had come out of the Montgomery wards catalog or from the Coast to Coast hardware store, long before I got them. Handed down by family. My first scoped gun was an old Western field 30-06 that had an old 3-9 Tasco scope on it. Over the years I took hundreds of what would today be considered trophy bucks with it. The smallest being a 24in 3 point. My first non bb gun was a stevens single shot .22 when I was 7. I killed thousands of squirrels, rabbits, and an occasional deer with it. When I was 9yrs I got a Stevens single shot .410 for quail, and when I was 10 a Montgomery wards 30-30. At 11 a Stevens single shot 12ga for ducks and geese. And the only new gun I had as a kid was a Coast to Coast pump 12ga. All of those guns are considered cheap, but they were shooters, and all I could hope to have. I learned how to hunt with them. Mainly with iron sights. Killing deer between 25-50yrds was the norm. Usually running. Killing one at over a100yrds, off hand was considered phenomenal. And at 500yrds or more was unheard of, and would have been considered foolish. Today I have much better, and more expensive rifles and scopes, but I have to laugh when I think about the guns and scopes that I used when I was younger. Especially when I hear hunters today talking. Especially the snobs. I love your videos. Especially some of the comments that are made.

[@averagejoeshooting800]

Also, it was mentioned that many of the 6mm calibers were at the top... I'm building a 6arc. Hopefully that is a similar story.

[@traviscohan9016]

Why an ARC? Dasher, GT, Creed are much better choices for a 6mm.

[@averagejoeshooting800]

@traviscohan9016 its components are readily available. It's designed to work in a gas gun. It's not a wildcat round.

[@adamelam6385]

I tried hunting with my AR with a .450 BM upper. The aluminum fore grip is brutal in the 20's. I'd rather take a Tikka.

[@JimDavis-h9d]

I built a 6 Dasher on a Savage Axis Action (.308), added an EABCO 1:8 twist barrel with a Cortina Tuner Brake, put it in an MDT ORYX Chassis and put an Arken EP-5 Gen II 7X35 on top. For around 1500 I can match you group for group. This cartridge is a shooter with the 105's, the 109's, the 110 A tips and also the 112 Barnes Match Burners. Build one and throw away all the others.

[@johnsmith7298]

Fantastic video. Would absolutely love to see if similar accuracy could be had in a hunting rifle.

[@bobmcmillen4502]

It’s all about the barrel. It’s gunna shoot

[@johnknouse8846]

I decided on 6mm creedmoor for my 6mm build. Went with a 1:7 twist to run heavier bullets, and it is hard not to shoot sub 1/2 moa with H4350 and Berger 115’s!

[@williammoore6067]

.33" is a third of a minute not a quarter (.25)

[@drewb5738]

i thought your gun was painted with vantablack

[@beardoe6874]

284 Winchester is what I would use. It's about the only standard chambering that can compete at the highest level in 1,000 yard benchrest competition. Everything else is a wildcat. There are lots of accurate rifles in PRS but winning in PRS requires skill, technique and speed with an accurate rifle, not just the most accurate rifle so you get a 20 lb rifle shooting a pretty slow 6 dasher. Competition 284 Winchester usually shoots a 180 grain bullet around 2,900 fps so it's good for some larger game.

[@warrenhunts]

This is going to be a good series.

[@lucasblanchard47]

I just bought an Aero Solus 17” clear anodized “blem” chassis during their Friday the 13th sale. I’ll probably build it out with some sort of 6mm cartridge. Something that can hunt and compete and has readily available ammo. Great content as always, much love from Texas!

[@garyrichey9166]

I seen a remington 660 in a 6mm put 9 bullets in the same hole at 100yds and this was remington factory 105 grn bullets

[@dougi1967]

I hunt crickets with this exact cartridge, 3-400 yds all day

[@RamonNunezRey]

Now you are badass hunting crickets at that distance 😂

[@dougi1967]

@@RamonNunezRey it's the noise, can't stand it, lol

[@mhughes1160]

They make great party treats also . LoL 😂 👍

[@chroniclesofnanner9543]

Mmm cricket burgs.. bill gates favorite meal for us to eat

[@leewilkinson6372]

What'd the crickets do, steal your first born? 😮 😂

[@ShovelMonkey]

In the 90's, I was able to get 1/4 moa 5 shot groups in my Remington 700 chambered in 22-250. Winchester brass, trimmed and chamfered to proper maximum length, headspace on mouth not shoulder. CCI 250 primers. Nosler 40 grain ballistic tips. 39.5 grains Varget. Compressed load, bullet seated just touching the lands. This was a squirrel gun, NOT a bench rest competition rifle in 6mm PPC. I could not even come close to the accuracy of a true competition rifle. Reloaded with Wilson hand dies on an arbor press. I do not remember what the dimensions were on the collet in the die.

[@btjrussell]

Jim I am absolutely freaking excited where you are going with this concept!

[@killerfungis]

Been shooting 6.8 Dasher from a 6.5lb AR15 for over five years (130gr @2928fps from 18" barrel) Also have a 6mm Dasher 14.5" barreled AR (ho hum load 88gr @3000fps). Hard to sell them, no factory ammo support and few handloaders. Remington used to sell BR rifles. I'm always King when its out and about.

[@LRRPFco52]

What barrel extensions, bolts, and magazines are you using?

[@killerfungis]

@@LRRPFco52 you can go after marker, or off shelf parts and no extension change. 6.8 mags with 458 follower

[@zer0talen74]

I love this idea, I have been wondering the same thing myself.

[@jaredklein8863]

If the top pros are using Vortex, it’s because they’re paid to, surely.

[@milldawgj9598]

Whoa. There binoculars aren’t bad. I have leupolds, vortex, Arken and couple of bushnell elite. I don’t think the vortex stand apart from the rest. The arken is a screaming deal for what you get. The leupolds are great for low light hunting. And the bushnell elites I have been able to beat the shit out of for years.

[@jaredklein8863]

@@milldawgj9598 People brag about their warranty for a reason.

[@CatDaddySteve]

ya the non-sponsored are using S&B ....AOR Valdata....Tangent Theta....et al

[@ericbennett1253]

So you didn't watch the video.

[@NoNo_IStay]

​@@ericbennett1253 dont need to, to understand how their marketing indeed works.

[@Pat-876]

After all the videos I have watched on u tube over the last few years, seems like the most important is barrel quality and having a rigid platform to put the barreled action in.

[@JRL22-Tango]

Nice vid. Best no development hunting combo. Ruger pred 2, .223, norma, 53gr Oryx & SP semi point, 0.140 inch, on a good day. Other was 7mm WSM, developed with Berger 168 VLD, HS Precision HTR, S&B PM II, which I lug (in a harness) around the mountains here in NZ - it got 0.42 inch at 400 m on a totally still day. The Ruger No1, in 7x64, is also a tac driver. Thanks and cheers

[@k4391]

I’ve built rifles in 8 1/2 pound range in dasher and BRA that shoot as good as the 17 pound rifles. They make a nice coyote or varmint rifle.

[@oneshotpete6.591]

A hunting rifle can most certainly be made to shoot 1/4 moa … but it’s going to be custom made ( almost always ) and not bought off the shelf … emphasis on almost always , as there’s a few savage 110 clunkers out there that’ll shoot a ragged hole 😅

[@chesterfield.mcdermott]

I have hunted with my PRS gun, hiking with a 20lb brick of aluminum in the winter gets cold, and the weight gets old. rhyme intended! haha But if you were to build a NRL hunter rig, you would see similar results with hand loads. Box store rifles will never compete with a custom build.

[@lazytd]

Love this... Looking forward to the next one 👍

[@TexasCommander]

Could have gotten the groups a little tighter with the CKYE pod with its spikes dug in that dirt!

[@maniaczeus]

didn't see the 6ppc on the list, more accurate out to 300 yards and used by quite a few deer stalkers and foxers over here in the uk

[@Oldhogleg]

The thing that hasn't dawned on you yet is that it's likely you don't have to do any further load development since you have the barrel tuner break that you can tune for an even tighter group.

[@BuckF0eJiden]

I'm using a .243 AR10 right now. With the optic and bipod, I'm looking at ~2k in the rifle, and it's running a PA 4-16x44 with R Grid reticle. Holds sub moa groups at ~300, and has dropped sub 10" groups at 800 before. Depends heavily on how I do as a shooter, and a reloader

[@Johnny-jr2lq]

I have a AR10 308 Winchester with the Krieger m110 barrel in it and my first scope was the PA 4-14x44 and I seen sub MOA 5 shot groups consistently as well. Idc what anyone thinks the Primary Arms scopes work well.

[@BuckF0eJiden]

@@Johnny-jr2lq I had one of their 3-18s in HUD DMR with the Athena BPR reticle on a 308, sold it to my father in law. They make fantastic optics. I also have a 4-14 on a 20" 5.56 build with HUD DMR. When US Optics started dropping in quality, Primary Arms took their place for me.

[@bankoofer]

For a second I thought you were going to talk about the 6.5 Swede, but this is very cool.

[@interrestrial9815]

Never would I use a super accurate rifle of small caliber over a so-so accurate rifle of large caliber. Never would I ever consider using a super accurate .22 caliber centerfire rifle over a so-so medium caliber rifle to shoot a moose. In the brain. Never, I say. But then... Of course, I may have hunted and killed with a rifle, the same rifle, a super accurate rifle, a heavy rifle, more than ten big game animals every year for decades, and an embarrassingly high number of fur-bearing animals every year with the same rife. The groups at 100 yards, when I was in the groove, measured .28 inches. The clay targets at 300 yards only lasted one round each. A 6mm of such accuracy? Over kill? I jokes.

[@claw1952]

No matter how accurate your gun shoots, if a person can't judge the wind and range once you past 100 yards your at the mercy of human error. Don't get me wrong, we all seek a gun with one hole accuracy, but at a distance, you must be able to read the wind.

[@aaron.from.winchester6744]

Welcome to the world of 6mm Bartlein.

[@SuperMatt1235]

My 7prc hunting chassis shoots like that all day long at 9lbs total

[@BourbonPrepper]

I still don't hate my hunting rifles: but dang. To be fair its zero load development but you have to reload. Eagle Eye will sell you competition ammo; but at $340 per box if 100. And not that it matters but Im getting .4 MOA consistently with a trued R700 action, Kreiger barrel, Timney Calvin Elite, Vortex PST-II and Hornady 140 grain ELD Match. I hunt and benchrest with it but I'm not a competition shooter obviously. And my build was about $3.2K which in guessing is under half the price of this beautiful build.

[@jcprecisionrifle]

Would love to see you shoot a match! I've just been over to Colorado for the IPRF World Championships and I've got to say.. I love your country!

[@adamcrofts2717]

I’m looking forward to this new series to see what change has the most effect on your accuracy.

[@vincetytler6175]

I am looking forward to seeing what you come up with.

[@annahonorata990]

first off, 3 shots is not really a group. My 3-shots of dasher are in the ones, but it does not mean a thing.

[@FromMyBrain]

TLDR heads up its 762x39 if you are missing you are unrealistic.