The MOST Misplayed Cards in Commander!

Casual Commander is full of rules misunderstandings, but these 2 cards may be the most misplayed cards in casual MTG! Today, we'll be checking out the misconceptions surrounding Myriad Landscape and Decimate!
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[@ProfDragonite]

It's very telling that later printings of Decimate had to ADD reminder text.

[@JayoticMTG]

As far as I’m aware, that reminder text was a recent addition in MKM 😂

[@doomclaw9787]

​@@JayoticMTG yup Gavin Verhey talked about it in a recent video

[@gulax6730]

I would argue that because it's not a named ability(ie. Death touch, Double strike, Vigilance, ect.) the secondary text needs to be there for clarification. Without the clarification it seems like it would take effect and just destroy what it can

[@xaldath4265]

​@gulax6730 There is a reason most cards say "up to" or "may". All targets must be satisfied otherwise. Compare to a fight spell. You can't only target one creature for this reason.

[@syamealleon5587]

Most common Myriad Landscape I see is people grabbing different land type.

[@da_bosso8634]

Yeah lol. People don't like to read cards

[@BoBnfishy]

That's because magic players can't read

[@dragonmaster613]

​@@da_bosso8634 As the Professor says: "reading the card explains the card"

[@dragonmaster613]

​@@BoBnfishywoah, cool your jets. We are not Digimon players.

[@xaldath4265]

Misunderstanding of rules is not the same as not doing what the card says. 🙃

[@TheTransforcer]

I love decimate it had the impression that any illegal target made the entire spell fizzle. Thanks for clearing that up.

[@andrewstadterman329]

I thought this too, nice!

[@JayoticMTG]

I used to play it that way too. I think a lot of players don't use many multi-targeting spells as they learn the game, so the rule is treated like a single target spell where it fizzles without its target.

[@samscholdner9717]

Farseek in mono green

[@Rakunya]

The number one by far is Approach of the Second Sun. I run a Budget Commander League, and a part of the reason we banned Approach is because I am so exhuasted fighting about this card every week. YOU CAN COUNTER THE SECOND APPROACH TO KEEP SOMEONE FROM WINNING, IT ISN'T A CAST TRIGGER.

[@michaeltillotson3711]

People always get it backwards. The first one being countered doesn't stop the second one winning. Not the other way around

[@zakbrooks7354]

That would be double annoying, because that means enough people are running approach for it to be an issue, which is another issue in and of itself

[@michaeltillotson3711]

@zakbrooks7354 nothing wrong with approach. It's a finisher for control

[@zakbrooks7354]

@@michaeltillotson3711 it's a finisher for everything that doesn't have any other way to win the game. It's not really that it's a problem, I guess it's more of a personal pet peeve that whenever there's a white deck that can't figure out a way to win, approach is always the next best thing. It gets really repetitive

[@michaeltillotson3711]

@zakbrooks7354 I lump it in with cards like craterhoof, oracle, Torment. You have completed your game plan and want to go for the win In my control deck, I have created a soft lock and the only thing left is to win because I can't be stopped. In a stompy midrange, your board state hasn't been answered soon enough so you hoof to end it It's just a way to finish the game that you did your game plan

[@joevanhorn3931]

Never once seen someone attempt to grab to different snow lands because "they're both snow". Lol

[@JayoticMTG]

I’ve seen so many Reddit posts about that years ago lol

[@nonashubeltaine2861]

Huh, yeah, probably right about Myriad being the most common. Although, I think it’s more getting two different lands types, which I see done all the time. Idk about decimate though, never see that played.

[@Amphetere]

I like Myriad Landscape for grabbing a basic and a snow land together of the same type, mainly if I have a single one of either in the deck for the purposes of fetching out for Field of the Dead.

[@nsos28]

Sphinx of the Second Sun

[@JayoticMTG]

Weird phase and timing effects are bad for confusing players lol

[@alecpollard8981]

It’s especially confusing because the first 2 lines seems like a complete thought while the “after this phase” seems like part of the explaining text.

[@sammysammyson]

I have never understood the confusion with this card, at all. It's so self-explanatory. Someone please enlighten me as to how and why people misplay it.

[@dave_eagle2787]

@@sammysammysonpeople think that they get the beginning phase at the beginning of their postcombat main phase, but no, they get it just before endstep

[@sammysammyson]

@@dave_eagle2787 It literally says "after this phase" 😭

[@mathmagician5990]

I've Never seen anyone misplay myriad landscape

[@liberty2087]

Hilarious how they had to add the reminder text for Decimate. I get being new, but sometimes it feels like Magic players are actively against learning the rules of the game.

[@zakbrooks7354]

It's only so confusing because of and/or and up to spells. This one being one of the few that doesn't let you choose less is kinda unique

[@JayoticMTG]

If it was printed for the first time today, it would definitely read “destroy up to one…”. Maybe cost 1 less mana lol

[@boempower]

Exotic orchard, using it to tap for all your commanders colors, while your opponent have a command tower on the field. If u play orchard and lets say the izzet player play a command tower. Your orchard taps for blue and red mana.

[@ninjanoodle2674]

Chaos Warp - Often people want to reveal the top card of their deck before shuffling the card in. This matters is the top of the deck is known to to SDT, JTMS, Oracle of Mul Daya, etc. Grip of Chaos - Whenever a spell has to choose randomly for several targets, players often forget that once you roll multiple dice the odds change and some low numbers are impossible to roll. You need to use a RNG for each potential target to actually have equal chances of being selected.

[@adamrobinson6951]

I've had too many disagreements with people about this. There's 16 possible targets, so we'll just roll 2d8, a d12 and a d4 etc. Always just roll the next dice up, in this case a d20, then reroll any result above the number of targets. If that means rolling several clearly distinct d10s to generate a huge number, then that's what you do. (eg: I roll a red d10 as hundreds, a yellow one as 10s and a blue one as singles. Red: 3, Yellow: 8, Blue: 6 gives 386. Hopefully you never need to go that high).

[@rosecooldude1024]

Decimate used to fizzle if a target was lost. They changed the rules a while back.

[@NeonV01D]

How old is this rules change? I’ve never heard of fizzling rules having changed in the past, and there are some forum posts as old as 2010 that use the current fizzling rules.

[@Umezete]

No it didn't but alot of people didn't understand how "fizzling" works so it's very often misplayed.

[@rosecooldude1024]

@@Umezete you are correct. i had heard from friends that decimate used to work that way and assumed that was true.

[@rosecooldude1024]

@@NeonV01D good news i went and looked it up. it hasent changed i just got confused. i had a friend who had told me decimate used to fizzle if a target was lost but upon me actually looking it up this was never the case.

Probably because the spell has chosen legal targets, it resolves. Like a killspell fizzles because it lost it's singular target while Decimate would need to lose all 4 targets to fizzle. You still targeted them when they were initially legal, so why would the whole spell fizzle if it's 3 other legal targets are still there?

[@dreamwolf7302]

The number of times, i have had someone try to Decimate me, without having enough valid targets, is infuriating. But the misplay i hate the most, is using red goblins that have 'tap, target creature gains haste' and trying to tap said goblin, when it doesnt have haste on its own, to give another goblin haste.

[@DUxMORTEM]

Another one is people playing shrines not understanding that Shrine is not ancreature type, its an enchantment type. Also how Myriad the triggered keyword ability EXILES the token after combat, NOT sacrificing it. I see alot of death triggers people get wrong. Lastly how Obeka players keep using threaten effects that don't work with her.

[@zacharybecker8228]

Tbf about the shrine one it is very misleading

[@JayoticMTG]

I don’t know if I’d say misleading, but since the shrine creatures’ type line reads as “enchantment creature - shrine”, it doesn’t do a good enough job to tell the player that shrine isn’t the creature type.

[@jako4446]

I see people forgetting that the hideaway lands comes into play tapped.

[@BurnByMoonlight]

Farseek in mono-green.

[@martinfabian2744]

Sphinx of the Second Sun; People think they get the Untap, Upkeep, Draw after combat before 2nd Main phase. However, the Untap, Upkeep, Draw phases are after 2nd Main phase, before End Step.

[@OsthatoAlfakyn]

I’ve rarely seen anyone be so active in participating in the comments and also actually have something to say every time. You earned a sub right there!

[@JayoticMTG]

Thank you! I love this game and I need an outlet of some kind to get my ideas out of my head haha

[@MattHarb]

I see people confused with when they gain control of someone’s creature and it doesn’t have haste. Doesn’t matter if it was summoned 2 turns before you gained control, can’t attack with it unless it’s been under your control since the start of your turn. “Summoning Sickness” is an informal term

[@zacharybecker8228]

Thats a dumb rule for stealing creatures imo

[@JayoticMTG]

It’s a rule that doesn’t really get the spotlight because most common theft like Act of Treason gives the creature haste. It’s counterintuitive, but Control Magic type effects require you to wait a turn.

[@MattHarb]

@@JayoticMTG yeah it came up recently in my pod with +1/+1 counters making a huge “Skrelv Defector Mite” being enchanted by “Fealty to the Realm”. Fealty to the realm makes you think you’re gonna be attacking with the enchanted creature a lot. But it doesn’t have haste so it can’t attack the turn someone gains control of it. Then because it was Skrelv, it couldn’t even block. So Fealty to the Realm was significantly less efficient than we thought because of the lack of haste

[@yalqi329]

chains of mephistopheles

[@JayoticMTG]

The infamous flowchart haha

[@Badassest]

Most misplays I see are turn priority. I do wish wastes were a basic land type tho.

[@JayoticMTG]

Yeah, playing casually usually means shorthanding the most technical rules. And I don’t even think Wastes being a land type would be too out of place in the world of Caves and Deserts.

[@nuclearphish8051]

I think it's because having a sixth basic land type would explode the rules somehow. There's an old Maro article about Barry's land where he goes through the problems they encountered when they originally tried to make a colorless basic land waaaaay back when.

[@Badassest]

@@nuclearphish8051 im already mildly miffed at the new land in MH3 that counts as any nonbasic, why tf does it have tower, mine and power plant as possible types? I think it's cool but it's just going to make urzatron that much more ridonkulous lol. I don't want to slot in demo field, field of ruin, wasteland and other targeted LD but if it filters into my local meta the salt I'm gonna have to add to my brewers recipe book are not going to be pleasant lol. In fact- nvm all that, just gonna go unblockable slapfest player removal.

[@JayoticMTG]

Not even that it has to be a sixth basic land type, but just not typed at all. We don’t have basic deserts or caves after all.

[@certanmike]

​@Badassest I think it's for commander they also seem to be adding a LOT of non basic land hate in MH3

[@skeldrakus]

Some people don't know the difference between "whenever you lose life" and "for each life you've lost"

[@JayoticMTG]

Also the effect on something like Goro-Goro and Satoru. “Whenever one or more creatures deal combat damage to a player” means it triggers up to 3 times, not once.

[@skeldrakus]

Would that not be only once in the sense it states not for each but for if? As it states "whenever one or more creatures damage a player" it would imply with the 'one or more' portion would give one instance rather than many. This is exactly what I meant. People don't know the difference, and to be fair, that's why I didn't explain myself before.

[@JayoticMTG]

The “one or more creatures” part basically just cares that at least one creature hit your opponent, but the “damages A player” part means it triggers for each opponent that gets hit

[@gameron55]

I think I do have a myriad in my colorless now that you mention it lol

[@dalestokes1679]

I now know how to play myriad landscape and decimate properly now. Both was literally in my chisiro pre-con lol

[@ColinRichardsonMUSIC]

The number of times I've seen Act of Treason effects in an Obeka, Brute Chronologist deck is embarrassing

[@Darkvalentine333]

Waste still should have been a type. I will die on this hill

[@dragonmaster613]

I can understand the confusion of Snow Lands, but i didn't know Wastes didn't count

[@giovanniganss3807]

I misplayed decimate for years playing when I was younger lol. I still love it I'm commander though.

[@ianofsthun4738]

I had to target my utopia sprawl to cast my Decimate the other night with my Borborygmus Enraged deck. Not a great feeling but definitely worth it.

[@socalacura1338]

The thing I see about Myriad Landscape is that people forget it comes into play *tapped*

[@onidefault6658]

I've done the decimate mistake myself.

[@pughug545]

I see foodchain misplayed alot in cedh pods, many people apparently don't know that it can't be used to cast anything but creatures or maybe they're trying to get away with cheating by acting dumb.

[@benjaminwilliamson8653]

Angel of serenity. I see way too many not read the second text box

[@JayoticMTG]

That’s gotta be the weirdest Oblivion Ring effect I’ve seen, they go back to hand?!

[@connorhamilton5707]

​@@JayoticMTG Yeah, if it returned to the battlefield, it would end up being a constant army reanimator. Temporarily exile another copy with it, and you can store an angel and two other creatures again and again, making you heavily resistant to regular removal. It also has the Oblivion Ring bug, where you can remove Angel of Serenity in response to the first trigger to permanently exile the cards. Was one of the biggest impact cards I had in my Roon blink deck a long time ago. There's actually a similar angel in standard right now, called Aurelia's Vindicator, which exiles when turned face-up.

[@steeveedragoon]

I find the decimate thing to be a bit funny because of yugioh, and more specifically for reasons that are a bit hard to explain. I guess the best way to put it is that because of the PSCT (problem solving card text) it's usually pretty clear what the requirements have to be to activate a card. For example, decimate written like a yugioh card would look something like this: "Target a(n) artifact, creature, enchantment, and land; Destroy them." I messed up how this would be written a tiny amount, but the idea is there. It's written to be incredibly clear that you need to target one of each when you activate the card. PSCT is a bit of a mess when you're first learning it, but eventually it becomes very similar to seeing keywords like flying and reach and just knowing what those mean when seeing them. Admittedly though, there are some ideas that could easily be portrayed by keywords like Hard Once per turn (HOPT) effects and flipping a monster face down (book). They would be a bit confusing at first, sure, but "target a face up monster; book that monster." Takes up less space than "Target a face up monster; set it face down in defense position."

[@nonayabusiness6170]

Back in 2018 when Is tatted with Lord Windgrace’s commander. I didn’t know that about decimate and had a very experienced player explain it to me.

[@DPrior-gk6pd]

sphinx of the second son

[@JustinVanTrump]

I still run Myriad in my Zhulodok deck because it does generate colorless mana and counts as one of the five lands needed for Temple of the Gods

[@Kristjan0209]

there are more than enough colorless land that come into play untapped and have an actual ability

[@tnsicgaming2329]

A couple weeks ago at my lgs there was a guy who hadn’t played in 10-15 years and was getting back into it and I had to explain wheel of misfortune

[@bradsimpson8724]

It is amazing how many people are confused by that card. I have seen lots of people screw that one up. And while it IS a wordy text box, it's not particularly complicated.

[@JayoticMTG]

I've been there before, I paid a bunch of life once thinking I would keep my hand. Nope, it just damaged me down to 1 life and wheeled my hand away haha.

[@jonnybirch2268]

I have a personal vendetta against myriad landscape because myriad means DIFFERENT, yet because of the stupid text, the lands have to be almost identical. Even if you were to run something like rootpath purifier, the lands would still likely end up being almost identical due to those limitations. If anything, it should be two basic lands that DON’T share a land type. Thanks for coming to my TED talk 😂

[@gatherer818]

I think the "myriad" part is referring to the kinds of lands you can see in the landscape before you make it transform (in lore, not the transform mechanic). It contains elements of all five land types until you pick one to express, then it becomes two of that type.

[@tonysmith9905]

Had to look this up myself but google definitions mention nothing about it meaning "different". In fact it seems to be of greek origin meaning "many" or "innumerable". The common definition in today's language seems to be just that, "many".

[@da_bosso8634]

​@tonysmith9905 yeah that's what I thought too. Kinda like how the myriad ability has you create multiple of the same creature.

[@matthoward6130]

It means many, not different

[@TheSmartCinema]

Myriad means many (from the greek for ten thousand), this card does indeed get "many" lands.

[@laurensmayr7760]

Return of the wildspeaker

[@thedanath]

They ether need to give wastes a land type or errata Myriad Landscape.

[@tyrusconley]

Nah

[@CaptainKronkers]

People think Urza is for comboing when he's actually for cheating out huge sea creatures

[@thomaskrick8183]

Whelp, I know what I’m taking out of my Kozilek deck.

[@semperignotus]

Fwiw, you can grab a single wastes off of myriad landscape, just not two. This is helpful if you want a land in your bin for whatever reason (such as Promised End)

[@davidhower7095]

There are much more efficient ways to do that, though. Evolving Wilds and friends, Promising Vein/Shire Terrace if you want the land untapped, and Demolition Field to actually blow something up. Even Terminal Moraine and Warped Landscape are better because they don’t ETB tapped.

[@JayoticMTG]

That’s interesting, it’s got a marginal niche use. Still not a great rate for a tap land and 2 mana sadly.

[@Bongus_Bubogus]

That is why people are underplaying Decimate and it is a shame. We even got the special Drew Tucker art people! That and Hull Breach are staples in my RG+ decks.

[@chasepeeler9188]

I did not know about the Waste ruling

[@certanmike]

I learned it Monday lol had to remove it

[@JayoticMTG]

It oddly passes by people, I’ve seen some comments pointed out that they just now learned about Wastes having no land type haha

[@ryanheinbach6374]

My friends play a lot of landfall decks, so Moraug, Fury of Akoum is probably the most misplayed card I see.

[@blaineward5223]

How do they mess up a simple landfall trigger?

[@ryanheinbach6374]

@blaineward5223 they just see "land fall get an additional combat" without realizing that, by the way it's worded, it's better to play your lands in second main to actually get the additional combat steps. To be fair, it is worded kind of confusingly.

[@blaineward5223]

@@ryanheinbach6374 Even if the lands enter during they're preconbat main phase, they'll still get the additional combat steps

[@ryanheinbach6374]

@blaineward5223 if you do that, you will get the additional combat first, and you won't untap during your regular combat

[@blaineward5223]

Fair point there

[@Its109TheGamer]

This is actually why I cut decimate from my decks. An opponent not having an enchantment just makes the card dead

[@JayoticMTG]

If you’re in pods that don’t play a lot of enchantments, totally fair.

[@Its109TheGamer]

@@JayoticMTG I never build my decks based on certain pods. I always build my decks to go 1v3 into blind pods

[@gatherer818]

@@Its109TheGamer Enchantments are usually the most annoying and least removed permanents, though. Smothering Tithe, Stasis, Rhystic Study, Imprisoned in the Moon, 9/10th of pillowfort... I could buy a particular opponent not having one, but none of your opponents? Not even an Idolize or Wild Growth floating around? Doubling Season, Parallel Lives, Hardened Scales?

[@Its109TheGamer]

@@gatherer818 I'd rather my removal spell be active when I need it instead of waiting for an opponent to let me use it, so I just got to use stuff like Assassin's Trophy and Boseju. I typically have artifacts out, but I would prefer not to hit my own if an opponent didn't get the turn 1 sol ring. It's just been more of a negative card in testing

[@st0rts11D4]

Regenerate. Everytime I get corrected on its use, and learn the right way. Somebody else corrects me again later saying that's wrong. I've been taught about 5 different ways regenerate works

[@JayoticMTG]

If it was still used today, I'm sure it would be more understood. As is, I've had my own misconceptions about Regen since I started a decade ago lol

[@Belvayne]

We misplayed Elegant Entourage. We gave the creatures +1/+1 counters instead of just +1/+1

[@JayoticMTG]

We just cast a Kappa Cannoneer in our pod for the first time last night, and we didn’t realize it gave +1/+1 counters haha

[@watermaster5336]

Every time I play a Case with a new pod they think it auto solves on the end step rather than meeting the criteria. Incredibly confusing and unhelpful reminder text.

[@JayoticMTG]

Yes, the way it’s worded makes it look like it auto-completed at the end step. There has to have been a way to word it less confusingly haha

[@GeneralGGD]

I've been victim of Decimate targeting me for all its targets several times, can I count these as misplays lol (not casted by myself, someone else)

[@TheRedneckBudha]

I have misplayed decimate before I haven't in awhile but I've done that myriad landscape though that one is surprising to me.

[@DanielWest-dn5ez]

I have played morbid landscape wrong

[@Nuzzlock08]

I know some els already said it but approach of the second sun

[@azurust1774]

I see Maurag misplayed a tonne

[@snocrab6501]

I thought decimate fizzled if even 1 target became illegal

[@PhyrexianacademicSocialStudies]

It does, he’s wrong on his ruling, funny he’s misplaying the cards themselves in the examples

[@tonysmith9905]

@@PhyrexianacademicSocialStudies Nah you're actually wrong bro. As long as the spell or ability has at least one valid target, it will resolve to the best of it's ability, ignoring any thing about it's now invalid targets. This has been how things resolve for a very, VERY long time.

[@tonysmith9905]

@@PhyrexianacademicSocialStudies 608.2b If the spell or ability specifies targets, it checks whether the targets are still legal. A target that’s no longer in the zone it was in when it was targeted is illegal. Other changes to the game state may cause a target to no longer be legal; for example, its characteristics may have changed or an effect may have changed the text of the spell. If the source of an ability has left the zone it was in, its last known information is used during this process. If all its targets, for every instance of the word “target,” are now illegal, the spell or ability doesn’t resolve. It’s removed from the stack and, if it’s a spell, put into its owner’s graveyard. Otherwise, the spell or ability will resolve normally. Illegal targets, if any, won’t be affected by parts of a resolving spell’s effect for which they’re illegal. Other parts of the effect for which those targets are not illegal may still affect them. If the spell or ability creates any continuous effects that affect game rules (see rule 613.10), those effects don’t apply to illegal targets. If part of the effect requires information about an illegal target, it fails to determine any such information. Any part of the effect that requires that information won’t happen.

[@profozpin227]

​@@PhyrexianacademicSocialStudiesWrong. A spell fizzles if it has no legal targets, but it will not fizzle if it has "some" legal targets at the time it resolves. It just needs to have only legal targets while cast.

[@JayoticMTG]

… Did you read the ruling that I showed and highlighted in this video?

[@jaxhon8182]

Counterpoint, myriad landscape is cheaper than wastes. In a colourless deck, it have no real downsides and you can sacrifice it with its ability, you won't get any lands, but you get to shuffle your deck and sacrificing a permanent is occasionally useful.

[@Kristjan0209]

it comes into play tapped, that's the downside. There are more than enough colorless utility lands that come into play untapped. Also you can find 1 wastes but there are still way better options

[@kronos548]

For myriad in colourless it might just be people grabbing a land thats cheaper then a waste

[@Kristjan0209]

No people play it because they think they can get wastes. Also there are a million untapped colorless lands that do something and are also cheap

[@wyattmaniscalco3090]

Thanks for reminding me that myriad landscape is useless in my colorless deck 😂

[@byronsmothers8064]

I've heard it can find a single waste of it's search, but that just means it's a 3 mana rampant growth, just bad not useless.

[@Kristjan0209]

@@byronsmothers8064 it's not rampant growth though since you lose a land.

[@oktalley99]

theres a wincon in one of decks called firestorm, additional cost to cast, discard x, deal x damage to x targets. thing is x cant be more than the amount of viable targets, i have to count all creatures and players before discarding

[@JayoticMTG]

Oh true, that’s really awkward haha. You can’t deal more damage than the number of legal targets

[@JohnSmith-vk9ds]

I see fetch lands misplayed constantly. Never crack them on your own turn. Wait for your opponent to try and use sorcery speed hate and crack it in response. Same thing if they try to blow up the land you fetched.

[@JayoticMTG]

Yeah, patience is key with fetches. If you need the mana right now, sure, but you’re often better off waiting for your opponent to move first.

[@adap8400]

That goes for anything tbh, I see so many new players play activate abilities and cast instants at sorcery speed that they are better off holding up.

[@davidhouseman4328]

If you're playing casually, it is just efficient use of your time to crack straight away, name the target and let your opponent start there turn while you search.

[@JayoticMTG]

Yeah, if the land entering untapped matters then crack away. But if you’re just grabbing a surveil land/triome, it’s more time efficient to announce and pass.

[@taylor3621]

Any card with cascade on Shuffle Up & Play

[@therewillbefire1833]

I really feel like wastes should be a basic land type, they effectively are but not fully and I don't get why.

[@connorhamilton5707]

Basic land types are actually one of the more complicated aspects of the game. It was decided that Wastes wouldn't have a basic land type because it caused fewer rules and tournament issues than the alternative. You should look up Barry's Land. It's the idea for a sixth basic land type that tapped for colorless. For several reasons, it just couldn't get done over the years, and then once Wastes was printed that possibility basically dropped to zero.

[@ammonil1261]

ive never seen decimate played ever ngl

[@JayoticMTG]

It’s lost some of its lustre in light of new removal spells, but it’s still a great card!

[@michaelmahon712]

Is there another card like decimate? I swear I used it the other day on Arena and skipped the artifact by submitting 0?

[@tonysmith9905]

You mean like casualties of war? There's a few cards similar, but any modern card would allow you to pick 0 for a certain type.

[@halvsketchy9293]

Pretty sure decimate had a rulechange

[@Alecations]

The first problem with myriad landscape is putting it in your deck

[@tachankskang]

It’s a pretty good ramp piece in a non- green deck, it’s one card that can help put me ahead when i don’t draw my artifacts, so i usually put it in non green decks

[@healdrop9313]

@@tachankskang It's *really* not good, it entering tapped, costing 2, and then the two lands all entering tapped is a serious hit to tempo, and them needing to be the same type makes it's colour fixing pretty atrocious, too. It's ~fine~ for casual, but everything is "fine in casual". The vast, vast majority of the time you're better off running a basic.

[@UN.SUNG-ZERO]

Rip edhrec

[@edwarde8703]

I still don’t quite understand the phasing mechanic and how Teferi’a Protection works. If I phase out in my turn does that essentially end my turn as i technically don’t exist anymore? Overall I know that if my opponents have something dangerous coming my way, it saves me from dying for another turn but exactly what I can and can’t do is still a mystery

[@Kristjan0209]

Players can't phase out

[@tyrusconley]

You never phase out. Your permanents phase out. If you float mana you can cast spells or ability’s from your hand. Or play free spells/abilities from your hand.

[@JayoticMTG]

You (the player) don’t phase out, but your permanents do. You gain protection from everything and your life total can’t change. You still stick around and your library and graveyard don’t phase out.

[@r4g1ngph03n1x]

Pretty much just multiple instances of multipliers be it tokens or damage.

[@JayoticMTG]

Doubling and +1ing also doesn’t stack favourably most of the time

[@r4g1ngph03n1x]

@JayoticMTG most people misunderstand how damage multipliers and additions work.

[@dantereising7757]

I’ve had three people I’ve played with misplay shorikai genesis engine by thinking that the pilots can crew as if their power was two or greaternot two greater and it’s so funny to see the light leave their eyes when their commander is ruined

[@profozpin227]

That really doesn't "ruin" the commander it just makes it sensible. I have no idea how 3 different people would misread that.

[@dave_eagle2787]

That makes the pilots better doesnt it? Crew as though they were 3/1’s isntead of 2/1’s?

[@RainRecoded]

Snow covered wastes?

[@timothyweston1137]

Wastes are wastes they included that card in the eldrazi deck last year

[@JayoticMTG]

Wastes don’t have a land type, they’re just basic lands

[@chapmanandchapmanproductio974]

Omg no way!!!??

[@tijnhollanders6932]

Why doesnt decimate fizzle when one of the targets get removed?

[@leonbennett5498]

A spell only fizzles when all of its targets are removed. It will try to resolve to the best of its ability otherwise

[@thesoulesssavior2017]

Sphinx the second son and I was just as guilty as anyone else. I thought that you untapped at the beginning of your post combat main face, but you don't. You untap right before your end step.

[@JayoticMTG]

Sphinx’s wording is so awful and confusing, I genuinely wonder how that text box came to print haha

[@genshinwars]

What about with the new deserts?

[@Kristjan0209]

Myriad landscape only gets basics

[@wickedstitches4437]

How is doubling cube played I get so many complaints on how it's played

[@tyrusconley]

It doubles the mana you have floating. It’s pretty straight forward. What complaints do you get?

[@connorhamilton5707]

You generate a lot of mana, then activate the Cube to double what hasn't been used. If you are just activating then generating mana afterwards as if it were doubled, you are misplaying. Also, the mana generated by Doubling Cube does not come with any restrictions, benefits, or other qualities of the mana being copied. It only copies the type of mana (w, u, b, r, g, or colorless). For example, if you use Pyromancer's Goggles and then double that mana, the mana generated by the Cube will be red mana that cannot copy a red instant or sorcery cast with it. If you are copying mana from snow sources, then the mana generated by the Cube will not be able to pay for snow costs. On the other hand, if you turn the Cube into a snow permanent, all the mana it generates can pay for snow costs.

[@damionstoen2596]

Wait I thought waste was a basic land type

[@tyrusconley]

Nope, there are only 5 basic land types.

[@gunbladeuser19]

They probably run it in colorless decks because it still taps for a colorless mana and was reprinted a lot. Yes a Waste would be better if you just need a land BUT wastes have not been printed a lot..

[@JayoticMTG]

Yeah it’s a very accessible colourless land, it’s just useless to colourless decks haha

[@Kristjan0209]

There are a ton of untapped colorless lands

[@altirianfairyalchemyst]

I know it makes the second part kinda useless, but you don't need Myriad Landscape to tutor for wasted because it makes colorless on its own. You can just pretend it's another waste in your colorless deck.

[@Kristjan0209]

There are plenty of untapped colorless lands you could use instead

[@myramedchan4775]

Id need a better explanation as to why snow doesn't count.. is it because there are snow permanents that aren't lands?

[@dave_eagle2787]

Snow is a supertype not a “basic land type” other supertypes are legendary,world, and basic. The “basic land types” are Plains, Swamp, Forest, Island, Mountain.

[@JayoticMTG]

As was said, Snow is a supertype similar to Legendary or Basic. It’s not specific to lands; you can have other snow permanents. If the type line read as “basic land - snow island”, then two different snow basics would share a land type.

[@myramedchan4775]

@@dave_eagle2787 the issue is it doesn't say "share a basic land type" it says 'share a land type'

[@myramedchan4775]

@@JayoticMTG you could argue they didn't in that case because some "types" are two words like the creature type "Time Lord"... Is there a name for non-'super types'? And if snow is part of the previous then they aren't basic lands they are snow basics which would suggest that you can't grab snow lands period with any land search that doesn't explicitly say snow... 🤔 I probably seem dumb but it doesn't seem to make sense.

[@dave_eagle2787]

@@myramedchan4775 it says “two basic land cards that share a land type” the only types basic land cards can have are Swamp, Mountain, Forest, Island, Plains. Wastes are a “basic land” but they dont have a type, As waste cards says just “Basic Land” in their typal line, but colored basics say “Basic Land- Island” (for example). Snow-covered basics just have snow as a super type (not a land type), and have some cards that care about them. If the card said “Basic Land- Snow (insert Basic Land type here)” you could grab 2 of them with the Landscape but it says Basic Snow land- (basic land type) instead

[@dangerfield6855]

I'd like to call "judge" when they Kozilek player tries to get wastes and they wasted a land play and 2 mana to get NOTHING.

[@dave_eagle2787]

They get one land, they just cant get 2 with myriad landscape. Its a 3 mana rampant growth at that point

[@mediocritysbest6220]

Brainstorm is the most misplayed card

[@JayoticMTG]

It’s misplayed more in the sense of good vs bad Brainstorms, you gotta find a shuffle effect for it to be any good

[@RagingPoo]

The most misplayed card I've ever seen is Noxious Revival, simply because I believe it to be the most difficult card to use optimally in all of magic. You can use it to recur your own cards, you can use it to stuff an opponent's draw, and you can also use it in response to a shuffle in order to permanently remove a problematic card from an opponent's graveyard. Finding that perfect, juicy moment is quite the challenge because you never know if this is the right moment, or if another better moment will arise later in the game.

[@JayoticMTG]

I've never used the card in a game before, but that's a cool way to think about its uses. I love cards that do one thing on the surface level but have extra depth and versatility!

[@pairot01]

Can you not play islands on a colorless deck?

[@dave_eagle2787]

Not if your commander identity doesnt have blue.

[@JayoticMTG]

Before they printed basic Wastes, I believe you could pick one of the 5 basic lands to fill out your mana base, but they would produce colourless mana instead of whatever colour they normally would.

[@shaunbeckett9475]

Glad i know about decimate now I thought it fizzles I once played a decimate only to have an opponent cast harrow sacrificeing the land i had targeted I personally thought the spell would fizzle at that point so thats the way we played it Always thought that was such a great play until now 😅😅

[@Mel72118]

Oops my bad 😞

[@JayoticMTG]

It’s ok, just don’t do it next time lol

[@shyumby]

myriad is only a replacement for 1 rampant grove, sac a land get 2 is the same as go get 1

[@JayoticMTG]

Yeah if you want to get technical, you only go up 1 land, but you also replace the colourless land with a coloured land if that means anything haha

[@shyumby]

@@JayoticMTG yeah but since it fetch 2 land of the same type i can't just say it's great mana fixing, yet as you say, it is mana fixing

[@shyumby]

@@JayoticMTG it also use a land slot in the deck wich is different from rampant growth

[@reddragonlegacy]

I see a guy who has been playing Ydris for years, still misplay his cascades. Does that count as misplayed cards? 😂 I think he just gets too excited to try and combo off with a cEDH deck at a majority casual table.

[@JayoticMTG]

Yeah Cascade triggers as you cast the spell is a little bizarre, since both will still be on the stack at the same time 😂

[@117_90]

I play too much cedh so for me it’s easily lion’s eye diamond. To be fair that card is a rules nightmare, but still if half the people I’ve seen tried to play the card the same way in a legacy tournament they’d get a game loss immediately.

[@JayoticMTG]

I’m not super well versed with LED, but I know you can crack it as a mana source to cast Infernal Tutor with Hellbent in Legacy, it’s pretty weird haha

[@connorhamilton5707]

​@@JayoticMTG You cannot use LED to pay for an Infernal Tutor. What you can do, is cast an Infernal Tutor with mana from other sources, hold priority, then use LED in response to discard your hand for the hellbent effect. Holding priority here is super important, since if you don't, the opponent can pass priority without doing anything to force the Infernal Tutor to resolve while your hand still has cards in it.

[@L8RSTORM]

Wizards of the coast still reprint them in new commander precon decks they need to stop

[@Cronoistight]

Thassa's Oracle. They think it belongs in a fun casual commander deck but really it's supposed to stay in a binder.

[@suprise_meh2695]

Myriad landscape can however hit gates if they are considered a basic in deck such as with rootpath purifier ;) food for thought ❤

[@JayoticMTG]

The Rootpath Purifier synergy is pretty cute, even if it’s a one-of effect that’s not always going to be activate

[@zanyknight9889]

Wastes have a type now

[@zanyknight9889]

At least in the most recent Eldrazi commander deck

[@tyrusconley]

⁠​⁠@@zanyknight9889where? The wastes in that deck show basic land. That’s not a land type.

[@josephwodarczyk977]

They do not.

[@chapmanandchapmanproductio974]

Ya think ?????

[@user-vu5tj6qk6z]

Atraxa phyrexian card type. The earlier card was just a angel horror. Her new official typing is Phyrexian angel horror. While, it's not usually a huge deal, issues such as this one have been a smaller problem that pops up. Changing an already named cards typing.

[@JayoticMTG]

Errata like this is necessary, but it leads to confusion when it printed text doesn’t match oracle text

[@harrylewis8145]

I have to be aware because she is the leader for my sticker commander deck. There's a sticker that gives it +x/+0 where x is the amount of card types, supertypes, and subtypes it has. Atraxa has 5 including phyrexian