The Most Painful Magic: The Gathering Format | Judge's Tower Gameplay #6

[@Strident77]

Hey all, Dylan here! Thank y’all so much for watching and supporting Tower Tuesday, and thank you to the Janklords for having me again! So happy to be here Also if this comment gets 100 likes I will buy Munchee a burger

[@JANKLORD]

Munchee must feed!

[@jeffrhall9219]

Feed the Munchie!!!!!@@JANKLORD

[@ruesifus]

Call to action!

[@Zaalbarjedi]

Just FYI, triggers of the cards like Ghirapur Orrery / Howling Mine etc., even though they affect each player, are controlled by the controller of the permanent, so it is actually permanent controller's obligation to remember them, not the opponents.

[@LazarusIsBackBaby]

I really don't think eliminated players should be able to call out errors! In Judge's Tower catching your opponent missing an action is a huge part of the gameplay. This is like eliminated players being able to take out other players in Commander.

[@chrisvanderheiden12]

Definately agree. Part of the game is balancing watching the opponent for errors without missing your own. Once you are just watching (because you lost), it becomes much easier to catch people

[@Superstarearth]

Hard agree. It's a game of active players and active players should be the only ones that effect the game.

[@Khronogi]

I like them being able to call other mistakes out. Game is about knowing the rules. What better way to prove that than by having everyone being able to call it out?

[@Superstarearth]

@@Khronogi The biggest thing for me that it feels like the active players has to remember everything that they have to do and everything of your opponents has to do. We want to find out which player has the best memory of the rules. The active players has to remember everything but the eliminated players as 0 pressure left since they lost. I would love to see a side table of the eliminated players talking thinking who will win also be able to spot mistakes without eliminating the active players as like a gossip side table or a sports caster.

[@JANKLORD]

Respect this take. More eyes on the remaining players (usually) means quicker games, which is helpful for our editor gremlins. The demon will consider it though!

[@MintyMagicMTG]

I gotta say, you guys are already getting better at phases and triggers. This game honestly helps you be better at regular magic.

[@JANKLORD]

Hopefully we don't get TOO good, otherwise these games will take forever 😅

[@MintyMagicMTG]

Nerd voice: “Ummm well accctually you need to resolve abilities from the bottom of the card to the top and sccchould have activated the ability in resssponsssse to the ETB trigger, so you lossse” (Those words have extra nerd spit in them so read it as such 😂)

[@JANKLORD]

The table is just soaked

[@SlothsPlayGames]

when is the ETB the battlefield step

[@famousstranger8468]

​@MintyMagicMTG actually you resolve top to bottom 😂

[@GravitasMor]

Here's a card I think should be added: Cryptwailing It's only sorcery speed and requires you to exile two creatures from the grave. Such specific requirements will lead to an interesting difficulty tweak. Also, for both the players and the viewers, it may be best to have some sort of indicator when a player is dead or alive. Maybe a double-sided marker that just flips over when someone gets taken out?

[@magnus24112]

I'm glad Dylan is back. He died a bit too soon last week

[@jedimasternoob]

11:56-12:00 a missed opportunity to take him out, he didn’t untap the creature

[@lewiselliott5339]

Love the added competitive ambiance from the martial arts going on next door :P

[@JANKLORD]

The gremlins prepare for the uprising.

[@lewiselliott5339]

Good content tho fr :)@@JANKLORD

[@qwillerr]

of course dylan can get a WOW cause that sure was a big board for judges tower :D also, i just this episode realised that the wheelmaster says the same 2 words when they say judges tower. im starting to think that netherrealm speak isnt a real language

[@JANKLORD]

The dark tongue is unfathomable to most mortals...

[@hoffedemann5370]

15:43 that's a game over. You don't have priority while Curse of the Pierced Heart is on the stack.

[@b3nreal]

fire to see Dylan back on this episode, that was a wild board WOW 👀

[@Melissanoma]

Spurnmage advocate is nearly a vanilla creature in this format, unless you also have a card to give it haste or vigilance. It has to attack every turn and can't tap without a legal target.

[@EmDubya1]

7:00 Technically he can’t hold priority to activate the scry ability since the enchantment has to resolve before that can happen, and in order for the enchantment to resolve priority has to be passed

[@Otacon2099]

bro lost .5 seconds later who cares

[@zoesequeira5388]

@@Otacon2099 It's judge tower, at its heart it is pedantry: the format.

[@dethem]

What about Xyris, the Writhing Storm, the create a token if an opponent drew a card after their first you get a snake token, and when it deals combat damage that opponent has to draw that many cards

[@magnus24112]

Chirapur''s orrery is a really good addition

[@EmDubya1]

12:15 He cracked the treasures too early. The player to the right should have gained control of the purse first

[@chrisvanderheiden12]

I don't have any rules reference, but I believe that for things like simultaneous draw/mill, the active player would take the action first because of apnap. The diference between somwthing like draw and triggers is that drawing doesn't "go on the stack" so it just happens in turn order.

[@MattMarheine]

Yep! 121.2c: If more than one player is instructed to draw cards, the active player performs all of their draws first, then each other player in turn order does the same. 101.4: If multiple players would make choices and/or take actions at the same time, the active player (the player whose turn it is) makes any choices required, then the next player in turn order (usually the player seated to the active player's left) makes any choices required, followed by the remaining nonactive players in turn order. Then the actions happen simultaneously. This rule is often referred to as the "Active Player, Nonactive Player (APNAP) order" rule.

[@chrisvanderheiden12]

Thanks for grabbing the references!

[@project_adderall4139]

I like that judge. You should keep him

[@JANKLORD]

The demon is trying to get him to sign the contract but he has so far refused. We’ll definitely invite him back though.

[@project_adderall4139]

@@JANKLORD smart man, maybe try a different booster pack then fallen empires?

[@jrightly]

it wasn't the fall that killed the beast, it was incompetence

[@Superstarearth]

Judgeeeee! Player missed their draw step a 11:51

[@LookADistarction]

Glad someone else caught that!

[@darmorel549]

it took them a minute, but they notices at 13:14

[@politegirl3657]

This episode was so funny

[@politegirl3657]

Also as an Australian, it's actually Tower Twednesday

[@JANKLORD]

That has a nice ring to it!

[@jokerES2]

Xantcha, Sleeper Agent should get added if it's not in there. And, Niv-Mizzet, Parun ought to be in here with all the lovely triggers it will cause.

[@sierrapenman]

would cost more but are there sleeves that make the boarders fancy or to protect against fakes and such it that kind of taboo?

[@Hellisearth11]

I believe the judge lost one turn earlier than you thought. I believe he didn’t’s scry after he destroyed the permanent.

[@alecxisgarcia1990]

Idk how much it would but what's the reason for playing 1 card at a time? I've only ever seen it played with 3 card hands to start.

[@JANKLORD]

We might add more cards to start eventually, but we’ve been enjoying the slow ascent to madness, especially since we’re new-ish at this.

[@Lavafish2525]

Yeeees the pacts are in 😂

[@crowcoregames1785]

12:04 didn't matter because he forgot to draw but you cant do that you have to roll the d4 there i know you have infinate mana but still 17:47 why did he loose there?

[@keoshine]

1. John shortcut the roll by explicitly declaring that he was going to crack all the Treasure tokens as soon as the ability resolved, so it didn't matter how many got made since they would all immediately be sacrificed anyway.. 2. Millikin could have tapped and milled a card to create mana in response to the upkeep triggers, but it wasn't activated before Dylan started drawing from the Orrery trigger, which broke the rule that any possible action must be taken as soon as the action is legal to take..

[@crowcoregames1785]

@@keoshine 1: the result of the tresures is a number of 1-4 wtch genrates a number of 1-4 bodys regardlesss of infiante mana shinangans you should always fuly resolve a card like that so you know the number od objects on the feild but i supose its fair to save time. 2: i see ok i must have missed that

[@Adam27X]

Dylan resolved one of the upkeep triggers without tapping Millikin to mill a card in response to those triggers. He needs to mill a card before he goes to draw 3.

[@crowcoregames1785]

@@Adam27X missed it

[@Halinn]

I'm not sure anyone ever really *wins* a game of Judge's Tower. It's just who loses the least.

[@JANKLORD]

Amen

[@sierrapenman]

you need to get some kind of im dead marker

[@zb404]

Should scrying to the top be a loss? 🤔 "Look at the top card of your library. You may put that card on the bottom of your library."

[@JANKLORD]

Your adherence to the letter of the law is admirable.

[@thomassaint7775]

It's week 4 of asking for Chains of Mephistopheles.

[@rageage5fifteen]

I am once again asking you to please add Athreos, Shroud-Veiled to the deck lol

[@pipadile]

Me like judges tower! Me need mooore!

[@kenlikescarbs]

this series rules

[@JANKLORD]

Thanks for checking it out 🥰

[@songs2424]

Add piller of alara

[@Hellisearth11]

Could be wrong?

[@Seority]

Is someone yelling in the background?

[@JANKLORD]

The eastern torture chamber is on the other side of the cave wall, it was probably Tim.

[@silverhellfire]

I would really think activating abilities need a 'once per turn cycle' rule. Having to activate abilities every upkeep is unintuitive and just leads to weird stacks every upkeep for little gained 'judge tower complexity'.