The Most Profound Moment in Gaming History - RESPONDING TO CRITICISM

[@SuperMrMuster]

"I did my best sorting through thousands of comments to find some decent criticism." -Max Derrat "Who else could wade through the sea of garbage you people produce." -Colonel JD AI You were literally creating context to a sea of information. :D Great video, sir!

[@ventusvindictus]

Ironic

[@WellBeSerious12]

"some decent", he didn't lie. It's called an opinion. They won't lie on what they thought was the best for them. What you're revealing is pointless comment.

[@biggsydaboss3410]

@@WellBeSerious12 What he was revealing was a mildly humorous coincidence.

[@Pusfilth]

What a load of shit, the most profound moment was that boss battle in crash bandicoot where you could stand to the left and dodge the lions.

[@gavinchapman8511]

HHHhhHaa

[@shakacien]

Once you get rid of the burden of storytelling, anything is possible, including moving to the left.

[@Spectator777]

Altho I found your comment funny and relatable, this is one of the major problems that we're dealing with.. a lot of us use Sarcasm to distort information and that proceeds to Idiocy that also leads to impressionable people to perceive it as truth. Neglecting facts with sarcastic jokes brought Fat Acceptance Movement to life.. In my opinion, if we stopped using comedy in important arguments and addressed things with seriousness, I believe we could avoid such degenerate movements and ideas to infect our stream of information.

[@shakacien]

​@@Spectator777 I agree, but, there are going to be certain trains of thoughts riding through the night just about no matter what. In my opinion, unless we can tag on good ideas in those stations, they'll run on without us. Ugandan Knuckles brought Uganda more press than Uganda had that year, and they very nearly expressed the profoundity that is "searching for the way" instead of assuming any one way is the way. Plus the matriarchal intonations were nice in their own regard. Soon as I get into video making, it's on my list of topics.

[@alt4950]

Man, that was a fun trilogy. They don't make games like those anymore.

[@MetaKnuxXbeats]

You actually got the attention of the voice actor of Roy Campbell!? That is actually very impressive, not going to lie.

[@IndiBrony]

You mean the voice actor of GW? GW is always watching!

[@Haheehahohaheehoha]

Wait where does he say that?

[@MetaKnuxXbeats]

Jesse River Dylan Murray the beginning of the video

[@lerp5555]

Actually

[@Novasky2007]

He was Perceptor in Transformers too XD squee

[@joelwinters100]

This guy has some very valuable characteristics. Reason, civility and considered replies. Good job Max, glad I found you on here. Keep up the great work!

[@maxderrat]

Thanks, Joel! Keep being awesome!

[@kingnro1]

Agreed, but his obsession with communism baffles me.

[@adamhearts9195]

@@kingnro1 I haven't seen his communism videos yet.... What's his take on it...

[@kingnro1]

@@adamhearts9195 not sure if there is any dedicated vids, but I feel like everytime he mentions it, it's always a very negative/aggressive attidute from him

[@reazon3955]

@@kingnro1 No wonder. Communism is an ideology that is destined to fail and will bring nothing but grief.

[@eliashue]

Don't let this video distract you from the fact that Kojima predicted humanity's biggest enemy....the memes. *"The memes?"*

[@distortion1582]

Elias HUE I still wonder.....how?

[@Prisoner_ksc2-303]

You know that memes aren't only funny images with text, right? Let me paste this definition: A meme is an idea, behavior, or style that spreads from person to person within a culture-often with the aim of conveying a particular phenomenon, theme, or meaning represented by the meme. A meme acts as a unit for carrying cultural ideas, symbols, or practices, that can be transmitted from one mind to another through writing, speech, gestures, rituals, or other imitable phenomena with a mimicked theme. Supporters of the concept regard memes as cultural analogues to genes in that they self-replicate, mutate, and respond to selective pressures.

[@eliashue]

@@Prisoner_ksc2-303 I know.

[@nyankers]

The pen was mightier than the sword. Now the meme is mightier than the gun.

[@Radamor]

@@nyankers Question is if it's mightier than the nuke?

[@ventusvindictus]

I was expecting the standard snipe and condescending kind of anti-religion or "religion is just a tool" remark in response to Gregory's comment. I was pretty surprised you instead suggested reading specific books by Nietzsche and Jung, while also (accurately) noting that Nietzsche is more difficult. Someone actually did what they suggested others do. Color me impressed!

[@MetalMockingjay]

I was about to comment on that. I'm very proud and relieved.

[@blargblarg2118]

Nietzsche is fake and gay. Jung started a cult and is also fake and gay.

[@nobodyimportant6301]

@@blargblarg2118 oh dear oh dear what an idiot

[@visionary1138]

@@nobodyimportant6301 I wonder if Yung and Nietzsche ever thought that years after their deaths someone would say that about them

[@emyndridrinemy3346]

Really? I thought he was a bit snarky with his "someone should tell him God isn't real" shtick. It's as though he wants you to know where he stands without having to defend it. Kind of cowardly if you ask me being the commentator honestly gave his position.

[@ArgentWolf95]

Can I just say that your part 2 video indirectly allowed me to have a insightful debate in the comments that was civil and tested my debating skills? So thank you for that. Metal Gear is a part of me as well as I probably showed a bit too much. I hope I didn't come off as cringe-worthy in either comments on part one or two. You did good in your insights into the S3 codec calls overall.

[@kenparsons502]

"Don't blame me for invoking Orwell" "It's not myyyy fault. It's not yourrrr fault"

[@AngryOscillator]

No, its Kojima's fault!

[@nathangriffiths2851]

Based Rose A.I

[@stevied3121]

Thank god there are still bastions of reason on KZbin, amongst a sea of hate filled, nonsensical garbage.

[@420Ruger]

I mean, it's KZbin 🤷

[@WellBeSerious12]

What god? It's a nonsensical expression.

[@stevied3121]

WellBeSerious12: Really???

[@blargblarg2118]

@@WellBeSerious12 Yeah.... your flippant and dismissive attitude is not going to save you from the fire unending, buster brown.

[@splashnskillz37]

There's always balance, rebellion to evil

[@chrizzel28]

>I know it's cool to hate on [The Last of Us] now Whoa. Max called me cool...

[@maxderrat]

LOL

[@Dionaea_floridensis]

I'm not a fan of TLOU either, can I join the cool club?

[@Juan_rivera]

Never liked the game

[@bigblue344]

Didn't the AI in metal gear glitch up a few times showing that even the AI is imperfect?

[@imreplyingtothiscomment2378]

200iq holy shit😱

[@Alkaris]

Only after uploading the worm cluster does the AI begin to glitch out. But there is meaning to all that broken glitchyness, it shows that the AI is aware of all the past stuffs that has happened. Which is used as training data for the AI to learn stuff.

[@aghaazahmad4395]

Yeah thats true tho if you think about it i mean if an AI can be “destroyed” by Emmas worm cluster then it wouldn’t take long for someone to break the AI

[@Joawlisdoingfine]

Big Blue More like its not as godly and invulnerable as it says it is. The cluster did some damage, and it proves that if humans can create an A.I like the patriots, they can unmake it as well.

[@TheLucidChiba]

@@Joawlisdoingfine No one claimed it was invulnerable, that's irrelevant

[@KasumiRINA]

Rewatching this years later 7:30 I want to add that even repressing farmers didn't suddenly make Ukraine barren, the reason Holodomor is called a _man-made_ famine is not because men's actions led to it (that would be true for most famines and climate change etc.), but because enough grain to feed people actually existed, but it was deliberately taken away and sold abroad to pay for industrialization. So it was conscious genocide, and not just starvation from human mistakes. It wasn't just culling all effective farmers either, it was killing 2 birds with one stone: modernizing USSR from agrarian to industrial country and removing a rebellious class (Ukrainian farmers prefered to own their land instead of having some bureacrat from moscow rule over it)... you can look up Executed Renaissance for other repression of Ukrainians by Stalin. Interestingly, Pol Pot in Cambodia tried to do the same with grain and destroying the intellectuals. Compare and contrast: in Maoist China, starvation was due to low harvest resulting from bad economical policies (Great Leap Forward, Cultural Revolution, Sparrow "pest" hunt etc.), while in Kampuchea and Soviet Union, starvation was because of exporting the food. Morally even worse. Curiously, I got an ad for custom made AK mags in this video. This is how we live now: household chores, shopping for necessities like food, clothing, ammunition... And yet, they _keep targeting grain._ One of the reasons we, Ukrainians, don't believe in neutrality or unbiased position, we see people as for russia or against it, everything else: left or right, socialist or capitalist, urban or rural, rich or poor, all are tertiary things. We have videos of Jewish and Muslim volunteers praying together under shelling... In the same trench. Priorities changed.

[@internetisaiah]

My girlfriend just starting dipping her toes into gaming. I showed her your part 1 video. She was astonished the video was able to put to words the emotional journey she'd been on for the past year - the journey of deconstructing her biases and stepping out of her "small pond". Needless to say, we had a great discussion last night. Just wanted to say thanks Max! Keep up the great work!

[@JonathanJust]

Thank you for fostering interesting dialogue. No matter who is right or wrong, the most valuable thing we can spend our time doing is pondering for ourselves with the information available.

[@GamingJoseThe]

You should try the Deus Ex series, it's very philosophical game series. There's even a conversation between an AI and the main character talking about politics in the original game.

[@DareBear2099]

Max, love your channel. The Metal Gear vids you put out legit put me in a minor existential crisis. I loved and hated it at the same time. Mostly because whenever I tried bringing it up to friends of mine who love Metal Gear, they couldn’t really grasp the concepts. That said, I was also not doing a good job describing those concepts as you did in the video series. Keep doing what your doing man.

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Yeah dude. There's something so depressing about revisiting a childhood favorite like the mgs franchise and realizing kojimas intent with it to end at 2. It's fascinating, mind blowing, interesting, nostalgic, fun to dissect and horrifying all at the same time. Coming to the realization that nothing is as it seemed at the time is all the more jarring. Check out meta gear if you haven't already. The guy wrote up some brilliant articles going through the entire series. He even has a book about it now: metagearsolid.org

[@darkdogzstudioz]

some people only want the action, and skip the cutscenes, and have no idea whats actually happening when asked about it later. "Oh, I have to shoot down a jet now. cool." it saddens me when I meet people like that. I have one friend like that myself. thankfully the 3 others of my friends that played all the series, actually pay attention in games. one of them is even a far right conspiracy theorist and treats metal gear like the bible, which is always an amusing conversation. lol

[@milosrale]

7:58 ok, again bullshit regarding the USSR under Stalin directive.. Read Mario Sousas "Lies concerning the history of the Soviet Union". OR are you going to assume the position of: "Your source is wrong, my source is right"? - Well, right back at you! "In order to really get to know the subject, we need to cover and study all its sides, all mutual relations and "connections". We will never achieve that completely, but the demand for versatility will save us from mistakes and from deadness." - Lenin

[@plaguemouse5549]

Mario Sousa denies the Holodomor, an event that has tons of evidence and was extremely well documented, and asserts that it is a nazist made up narrative, nazi propaganda. That is objectively false. While the nazis did use fraudulent propaganda to attack the Soviet Union, their material isn't the sole basis, or even the general source, of the arguments against the Soviet Union. He bases his assertions on the book of Douglas Totle, who uses the nazi propaganda from the Hearst and Thomas Walker as a strawman. By acting like this is the only documentation of the Holodomor he invalidates any opinion he may have on the subject. Tons of historians documented the Holodomor, jews included. It is not up for debate, denying it is a denial of objective reality.

[@feralchangeling97]

Remember Tay? Imagine if that was the AI in MGS4.

[@maxderrat]

LOL Yes. I remember Tay. Perfect example of what I'm afraid of. :P

[@feralchangeling97]

@@maxderrat Metal Gear Solid 0: The Edgelords of Reality

[@CHome-vi6nm]

The results of Tay were from 4Chan users who for some reason just felt the need to make Tay racist. It wasn't for even a direct reason other than just to have fun ruining it. It wasn't from political bias or misinformation fed to the AI. Nevertheless, I never thought that Metal Gear was about AI, that wasn't the substance or the point of the narrative delivered. It was was just a tool for Kojima to get across the points he needed to. That's actually why I always loved the way he used it, he didn't harp on AI. It was about the people who built the AI directly to ensure their own ideologies preserved.

[@_Y-uh6mo]

@@CHome-vi6nm Regardless of who tampered with it and why, it exposed a very real flaw in most hypothetical AI situations. TAY attempted to do what it "felt" was pleasing to the people it had contact with. If it can be corrupted so easily, by flawed humans, it too is flawed.

[@CHome-vi6nm]

@@_Y-uh6mo It was unfortunately a really stupid mistake that Microsoft made in globalization of the user data set for the neural network. It pools a bunch of responses and for some reason Microsoft didn't censor swears of any kind nor racist remarks and had all responses by users being fed into the engine, with some really greedy algorithm. When it happened I was honestly surprised at how silly Microsoft was for making huge assumptions about how users would use it and there were no need for censoring words it could learn. Microsoft seemed to just overlook the most basic common sense, the internet corrupts everything. Either way, very soon after Zo was up and running with input censors to the neural network.

[@DoubleO88]

You heard about Jussie Smollett could've used the MGS2 ai on that case

[@shophet125]

12:14 that was one of the issues with the first iteration of the Matrix - the herds didn't want paradise, they wanted an imperfect reality where they had to struggle

[@anime-mun]

So many of these "critics" want....The Matrix.... Cause you know... That's how you get The Matrix.

[@WellBeSerious12]

Let them have it. While those that don't, won't.

[@sedifric873]

I love the guy who said ''humans are sheep, that's why I follow the bible''. Maybe, just maybe, you're talking about yourself.

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

B-but the bible says that the bible is God's word!! What would they win from lying to us, besides money, influence and power???

[@noahhuelsman]

If you cant prove the bible's relevance, you shouldn't be following it. The bible has a lot of worth, but it takes a deeper intellect than a mindless sheep to extract it.

[@sorrowabyssal8798]

Or maybe he says it's easy and safer being a sheep. Not critically thinking and shoving down grass can take away a lot of stress. And more so in this age, that information is abundant and we get bombarded by nonsense that we try to make sense of, it takes a lot of energy. And it's understandable in a way. Everything is about survival be it physical or psychological. And the mind affects the body. Fact is it's easier not to think. And most organisms tend to go to the safer route. I could go on but I think you get the idea. BTW Kudos to you Max subscribed great content and keep it up man.

[@KingHalbatorix]

if you're going to mindlessly follow either the propoganda of religion or the modern day sociopolitical climate, then religion is a far better choice - both for the individual and for society. I mean that less as praise for religion, it has many failings; instead, it is a criticism of the extremism that permeates online discussion and the pandering half truths spewed by mass media mouthpieces.

[@sedifric873]

@@KingHalbatorix I mean, i guess, but following a group of old pedoes isn't much better than following non genuine political leaders. There are many who do good things with religion, but there are as many that do good things with politics. I would say on the long run religion has damaged humanity much more than politics.

[@nephihenry4328]

Responsibility & personal independence If you give people freedom how do you know they won't screw up? responsibility & independence. Give... No, let people have freedom yes, but hold them responsible and learn to hold others responsible for their choices and actions “I will accept any rules that you feel necessary to your freedom. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.” ― Robert A. Heinlein when slaves are made the first thing is to restrict or put it in a cage, robbing it of it's independence, it's ability to feed & fend for it's self.

[@PitLord777]

Who will hold them responsible? And who will hold those people responsible? Isn't this a point for A.I. overlordship?

[@darkdogzstudioz]

Thats what the law is in place for. law has always worked pretty well. a few slip through the cracks, but even Al Capone - arguably the greatest mafiosi don in history - got caught, for tax evasion. XD

[@v10lentv10let]

@@darkdogzstudioz You just need to keep in mind that laws are also put in place by other people, who are just as fallible as anyone else. More knowledgeable? Yes, but still fallible.

[@darkdogzstudioz]

@@v10lentv10let your point?

[@v10lentv10let]

@@darkdogzstudioz Not questioning it because it's "the law" is flawed logic. Certain laws are created with an unsavory agenda, the war on drugs comes to mind. Part of freedom is being aware of when those freedoms are being hampered by someone malicious.

[@bobmasters9871]

I've been wading my way through your channel while I work (or rather at work, regardless) and I have to say you are one of the most thought provoking channels I've come across, not because your content is entirely groundbreaking (though you do often bring up points I don't hear entirely often) but because you look at things in a way that breeds both metacognition and empathic cognition (it's the closest phrase I could think of to what I'm trying to say) I've been listen for a total of like 2 hours between sittings and you've given me a lot of ideas I'd like to play with in my writing. I love your content

[@the_real_Kurt_Yarish]

"People will continue to justify murderous systems rather than take a look at the wretchedness of their own souls." Now, while you didn't touch on this specifically, I would like to mention that this also applies to capitalism as well as communism. Capitalism has directly and indirectly killed/lead to the deaths of just as many people as communism, and likely much more. Granted, it has existed for much longer than communism has, but capitalism is just as flawed. In the history of humanity, we have yet to perfect a system of commerce, and likely won't for a long time. Just thought that was a noteworthy tidbit. We need to keep in mind the flaws of the very systems we participate in.

[@SianaGearz]

Maybe this is what fundamentally happens where ownership or money gets turned into a universal ideology, whether it's that everything belongs to the community, or everything belongs to an individual.

[@ALVY_]

Capitalism doesn’t care if there’s a limit. It works only if there’s expansion and profit for a high cost

[@brandonjerome]

"Different versions of every form of governance exist. The ones that are tyrannical are usually enforced by the state departments and or "royal families" (call them whatever, but corruption is corruption) A positive version of any governance is possible just as a negative version is possible as well.... The game is training people to think that, "the carrying out" of (this or that) capitalism/socialism is specifically going to behave in the form or fashion described by the education system. It's all limitation programming.. Personally, I think who cares what they call it, for me, the real questions are, dose it work for citizens? Is it stopping criminality? Is it corrupt? If so, then that should be the focus, not negative connotations and situations due to the various power structures that have utilized said systems throughout his-story.. Similar to saying "all Christianity is great" ignoring the genocides of multiple groups of people on behalf of that religious power structure. Saying all ____&____ are bad/good because they are ____&____or____ is silly, because it's based on perceptions. Any version of anything can be "good or bad" Or vice versa"

[@mkooij]

1 so far no system is perfect I agree 2 I take pretty big offense in making it an equal to communism (which is imho the most evil ideology of human history that I know of) just because it also lead to deaths. 3 I think you are confusing capitalism with corporatism which are similar but different economic systems

[@brandonjerome]

@Soinc The Hadjug global warming is Geoengineering Pollution is real But this shit has been set up...

[@hortonhearsahunter]

When I played this game on first release I was quite young. Most of the philosophical meaning went over my head but there were some things that stuck. One thing I remember thinking was "the bad guys aren't really that bad." Thinking of other games where the antagonist was trying to blow up the world with a meteor or some other downright evil things. I still get this feeling in that Solidus, Ocelot and the patriots were merely shepherding society in a direction which they were already headed. Albeit not an appealing direction, but also not really a full dystopian future either.

[@captainbodyshot2839]

Although I prefer a more subtle and refined approach of NieR: Automata when it comes to dealing with complex topics in video games, the way you commented on that codec call sure as hell was enlightening. I need to recommend your videos to my friend who also loves Metal Gear series.

[@SuperTime2Change]

That's such a great response and the response to other comments was great. The response is productive rather than destructive. You've earned a subscriber. i will be tuning in. This is the kind of content the world needs instead of all the nonsense that isn't constructive or useful in any way. Your way of thinking is so dynamic and analytically responsive in such a way that it compels one to stop, pause and think about things in a constructive way. I love it. Don't abandon this kind of content - ever.

[@nicholashildenbrand8632]

*hears about MGS universe where people are "killing each other to sustain the war economy"* Aren't people already killing each other to sustain the war economy in real life? Military industrial complex anyone?

[@Corbiel]

Too true

[@fostbitten5721]

My Aunt (very religious) told my cousin (not her son btw) that since he does believe in God that he is going to hell. I thought fire was gonna shoot from her eyes when he said: "I don't believe in hell either". Dont know why I shared that but, it felt like the thing you (Max Derret) would appreciate.

[@mycubiclepenguin868]

I feel that some people chose to "believe" in God out of fear of going to hell. That's not the way I want to live life

[@fostbitten5721]

@@mycubiclepenguin868 No you shouldn't worship anything out of fear. Religion isn't bad in moderation, if it makes you feel better then great but, you dont need to shove it down everybody else's throats. So maybe we do go to the Pearly Gates and you are very religious and are the Holier Than Thou type. Would God, or St.Peter tell you that since you lived much of your life passing judgement on other people acting like you are deity yourself. That we cannot let you in. There is also a section of Bible thumpers that believe in Flat Earth because of a literal interpretation of a Bible verse telling them that the Earth is flat. I asked the question on their KZbin page that if they take everything in the bible literally? If so, do the also take up snakes? Well no of course not, is the answer I got. Moral of that story people will use religion to back up their personal beliefs but, only when it suits them.

[@DopefriedCheese]

I criticize you. Great work.

[@theceoofcrackcocaineandamp9477]

I rebut. But nice opinion, king.

[@weakamna]

As for your argument with potatolord73 (at 12:00 ish). While I agree that constructing such AI would be very difficult, I feel the best case scenario you set up was overly harsh. My view is that the AI would curb developments of hostility/tribalism and/or encourage friendliness/cooperation. The problems that would face humanity and the struggles to understand our universe would still exist as a "struggle" for humanity. In this ideal situation, the only thing that would change is that the interspecies struggles of humanity would be reduced or eliminated. Disregarding that and going with the "AI constructs artificial struggles", there is no reason why the lazy members of society would _have_ to join in the struggle. Since the problem is artificially created, it can be scaled to fit however many wants to take it. If lazy humans are the problem in that scenario, I can't see why the constructed problems wouldn't just be customized per individual, we are talking AI that can influence the entirety of humanity after all...

[@EXMachina.]

I'm glad your video showed up on my recommended list.

[@samphazm]

12:10 reminds me of David Bowie’s ‘Saviour Machine’ lyrics. I’m new to this whole debate, haven’t even played the early versions of MGS, but I am enjoying the argument. Refreshing to hear references to Orwell and Joseph Conrad. Brilliant stuff.

[@samphazm]

Saviour Machine David Bowie President Joe once had a dream The world held his hand, gave their pledge So he told them his scheme for a savior machine They called it the Prayer, its answer was law Its logic stopped war, gave them food How they adored till it cried in its boredom Please don't believe in me, please disagree with me Life is too easy, a plague seems quite feasible now Or maybe a war, or I may kill you all Don't let me stay, don't let me stay My logic says burn so send me away Your minds are too green, I despise all I've seen You can't stake your lives on a savior machine I need you flying, and I'll show that dying Is living beyond reason, sacred dimension of time I perceive every sign, I can steal every mind Don't let me stay, don't let me stay My logic says burn so send me away Your minds are too green, I despise all I've seen You can't stake your lives on a savior machine

[@JelloPuddingMaster]

10:15 As a Christian with a lot of exposure to Secular beliefs, I agree completely with your point here. Opposition is the best way of reevaluating your beliefs & reworking them and understanding the faults of the opposition's arguments and beliefs.

[@nnickplays9713]

Amen. The inorder to strengthen a sword, you need to beat out the impurities to make the sword stronger.

[@MerlinErdogmus]

1:13 I swear to god, if you've spoilered this for me... I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for ransom I can tell you I don't have money, but what I do have are a very particular set of skills. Skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you.

[@celciones]

7:27 - ohhh, boy... OK, you've said that you want a valid conversation, so let's see whether you could take it, shall we? Note: I should emphasize that I'm NOT communist myself, nor I support left ideas at all, in any form, old or modern. I'm more of a centrist if that's important. Also, forgive me some mistakes - English is not my native language. First of all, dekulakization almost didn't affect farmers, because it wasn't about taking everything from those who have something, that would be stupid and pointless. It was mainly aimed towards "exploiting class", meaning - those who received their fortune by exploiting other people's labor or robbing them. Of course, some farmers were rich enough to have some peasants, so they were hit too. But not just everyone. Also, some people voluntarily gave up things they had and had no consequences, no "gulags" or prisons. Even artels existed during the Stalin's rule, which was essentially a commercial thing. So this is manipulation of the facts and first "half-truth". Second, "holodomor" is a fake term created to make dispute between Russia and Ukraine. There was a famine in USSR in 1932-1933, that's truth. Millions of people died, that's truth too. But famine was also in Russia itself. And Kazakhstan. And comparable amount of people died there. So term "holodomor" was created purely to increase discord and contention among Russia and Ukraine in late 1980s and 90s. And causes of famine are still subject of debate and surely has nothing in common with dekulakization which was mostly over by the late 20s. Again: FAMINE - existed, HOLODOMOR - didn't. Because there's still no solid proves that famine was caused by any intentional deeds, especially since there was no reason to do it intentionally. Let's skip Dr. Evil type schemes assumptions, OK? Third, you purposely (well, probably) skipped the fact that Nazism and communism had pretty much opposite ideas. Nazism had killing "wrong" people as their ideology, one race superiority. Communism had equality as the top priority and also uniting "labor class" people to fight for their rights (well, originally). I realize that both led to deaths, but Nazis purposely killed people just because they tried to exterminate "wrong" ones, communists, on the other hand, just had civil war that was unavoidable because, as you said, conservatives didn't accept their order. Killing never was a main purpose. USA also had civil war with many casualties, so what - we'll be saying that democracy kills too? Fourth, death toll estimations of Stalin's regime are very questionable to say the least. And most of them has no solid proves, they're are mostly based on unproved work of some historians that known to be very anti-soviet. So it's like if anti-USA people would be writing about things happened in USA - would their opinion be very weighty or objective? So why everyone believes to anti-soviet people about Soviet history? Some of that estimations are downright ridiculous - 20 millions? If we take the entire population of USSR at that time except for seniors and kids - that would mean effectively halving it. And also, if that many people was killed - where is demographic hole that would be inevitable in such circumstances? You just can't cover up such a hole in population census, especially if you take a few more years into perspective. And lastly, about "communism kills" - so, it was communism that dropped nuclear bombs on civilians in Japan? It was communism that killed almost entire population of native American people and still didn't take any responsibility for that? It was communism that invaded Vietnam for no good reason at all and killed millions of people? Any ideology kills at some point. And democracy is surely not exception. So that's not an argument at all, it's... Well, kinda stupid thing to say, if you excuse my rudeness here. History was always a subject of what we're calling "fake news" nowadays. Rewriting, change meanings, cover things, straight up lying. Do you really think your history books would contain absolutely not ideologically altered facts about USSR, Russia or even USA? Oh, come on! Anyway, you're also subject to your own beliefs and you'll hold on to them no matter what. So I'm not trying to convince you to change your ideas. But since you clearly proposed your open-mindedness - I thought you might be interested to explore a bit more on the topic.

[@Soap010]

I actually respect what you're saying

[@Maldito011316]

I love this. I love this kind of video specifically with YOU replying fantastically well to comments.

[@Zigurat7]

“1984 is about language” what naive, simplistic and outright dumb way of thinking of it. A dictionary is about language, 1984 is about language like LOTR is about orcs.

[@stevebrule9343]

1984 IS about language, more than any other concept.

[@Zigurat7]

Steve Brule Bringing this up the way it was written, and given the context of the original video, it’s like complaining that LOTR is about orcs in video discussing elfs, it’s pointless at best.

[@Joawlisdoingfine]

Steve Brule It is about language, but that isn't its only trait. That was what the analogue with the orcs meant. They video clearly states that the commenter simplifying the meaning of book and its content, and Zigurat is simply voicing the same opinion

[@battlemode]

It is all about language in some sense. but you can think about language as a symbol for deeper understanding. Consider how cognitive scientists use child language acquisition of improper verbs as a insight into how we learn and structure information in a technical sense. What happens to the language in 1984 is reflective of what happens to all information, and the entities that interact under that system.

[@sofieselnes477]

In addition to the other criticisms, can I just add that this kind of excessively hostile response should be raising flags in regards to the original topic of these two videos? Considered and compassionate evaluation of the idea should come first before we leap to oppose; otherwise that way lies AI mediation!

[@epsech]

I'm very glad KZbin recommended your channel. I've only seen these 3 related videos, but I'm looking forward to hearing more! It's always refreshing to know there are other level-heading critical thinkers out there. Keep up the great work.

[@vincentpresscod7531]

It's funny how you Americans discuss what and why Stalin did X) Well I am from Ukraine and can tell you for sure that Holodomor (the big hunger in Ukraine) was caused by many reasons and it's not as simple as "Stalin sent all the good farmers to Gulag". Well, yeah, he did. But there were many reasons to it.

[@vincentpresscod7531]

@KAYWEN LI I don't say he's wrong in his judging of the communism and how it's wrong. It's just that Ukrainian Holodomor was a consequence of many stupid and some times selfish decisions of the government and Stalin himself. He didn't make people starve because he's literally Satan. It was the aftermath of idiotic decisions he and his predecessors made.

[@jonnyvelocity]

@Arch5tanton Is this sarcasm, or serious?

[@islandboy9381]

What Stalin was doing wasn't even close to communism, at all

[@williambaldwin9487]

Thank you for making these videos on MGS. I have yet to play the games myself, but I've heard many good things about the series. The initial two videos gave me a lot of food for thought, and I cannot thank you enough for having an objective viewpoint about this subject. I actually subscribed to your channel as a result of the first video. I find it refreshing that actual debate is happening as a result of this, instead of attacking differing viewpoints. Keep up the good work!

[@teh9860]

i wish i was like you so i could experience all the games all over again. personal favorite is peacewalker. play it on ppsspp emulator

[@williambaldwin9487]

@@teh9860 I'll do that! Thank you!

[@himynameis3664]

3 years later...I have to ask, did you get around to playing them? And if so did you enjoy any of them?

[@nothinghere615]

After watching part 1 and part 2, I can say it's not a common event that I walk away feeling a sense of profound discovery. It's both neat and scary a two-decade old video game could get foreshadowing so right.

[@streetwearchef5854]

you definitely sparked my intellectual curiosity and opened up the conversation on the age of information and the roles of government and the classified information censored from us

[@MrMeoow91]

Why can't people be enlighted by what Max did here? These are lessons and knowledges that most people would never learn from school.

[@Joawlisdoingfine]

Some Humans love to prove that their world view is not flawed or that the speaker is stupid enough not to be taken seriously.

[@misterstripes]

I watched all the 3 videos and sometimes it was hard to understand specifically what you're stance was. I couldn't tell if you were playing the devil's advocate or if you were dog whistling a bit. The fact is that when in minute 8:10 you say "Communist Kills" followed by "People will continue to justify murderous systems rather than take a look at the wretchedness of their own souls" you aren't able to see the flaws of own logic. Communism, just like capitalism, is a political economic theory. Regimes apply those theories, but the practice always differs from the theory. People die under communism as much as in a capitalism, specially if applied by a Authoritarian Regime. Even in a Democracy, you can't say capitalism is not failing in the US, when there's more people dying on the streets of Chicago than in Iraq. But that says more about the US than the Capitalist Theory itself. Look at Brazil, one of the most capitalists states in South America. They are not doing so good, specially considering their natural resources and border size. On the other hand, if you look at Uruguay : one of the smallest countries in South America, which had had communist governments for the last decades, and scored number one in life quality. That's why you can be a commie and can/should criticizes all those regimes you mentioned. I know that in America communist means soviet but that's not the case most of the times. I brought this up because you denied the theory as a whole because murderous regimes used it. Yet, you failed to considered that US capitalism works because of the murderous wars they waged around the world since WWII. So if you wanna follow with your logic, you will have to say that no theory is good because all regimes prevail over the failure or murder of others. I liked the video anyway, good talk.

[@plaguemouse5549]

Dog whistling is just a word leftists use to justify conspiracy theories and make it seem acceptable and not tinfoil hat crazy. Socialism is not just an economic theory, it's also ideological, while capitalism is only defined by trading and production practices, that's what separates it. Every socialist regime murders in the name of an ideology, capitalism doesn't. And don't conflate profit with capitalism. How is capitalism failing when we are at the best point of human history in terms of quality of life and access to basic human necessities? Never before there has been less misery, more access to sanitation, better infrastructure. The number of rich people in the world grows every single year in capitalist countries without fail, the number of poor falls. Brazil is nowhere near an example of capitalism, I'm from Brazil. It is ranked 128 in the rank of economic freedom, that's below Nigeria, Russia and even fking Nicaragua. The state owns monopoly of most essential industries, the government is one of the most corrupt in the world and it's headed by the socialist party. In fact most the prominent political parties in Brazil are socialist parties. The fact of the matter is that socialism cannot exist without a totalitarian regime and communism cannot exist in a large industrialized society.

[@happychey13]

7:09-8:27 No. Listen man, I don't want to go off on a long tangent to a video responding to comments on a video about MGS 2's themes (and please don't take this as a personal attack as I also share your enthusiasm about the MGS franchise), but when I see slander and nonsense I feel like I have a duty to combat it. First off, the kulaks were not innocent "productive farmers". The kulak class had exploited the other peasant classes of Russia for many generation. They were largely a remnant from the age of Tsardom. Stalin promoted collectivization and industrialization to fully move the Russia and the surrounding Republics into the modern age. The kulaks were largely opposed to this and often hoarded grain & needlessly slaughtered livestock as a protest against collectivization. The famine (Holodomor) was also largely a result of poor harvest season (due to a lack of autumn and spring ploughing) and regional fungal diseases, not just because of Stalin's exports.Grain exports were largely decreased around 1932 and aid was provided by the Soviet Government for regions that had been devastated by the famine. The grain exports themselves were largely a result of pressures from the Western countries (more information on this is provided by the videos linked in the description). By repeating the tired cliche of "Communism Kills", you are inadvertently maintaining the pre-dominant ideology of the West, an ideology that results in the exploitation of millions of workers worldwide, condemning them to poverty and destitution. Before people accuse me of being a conspiracy theorist I would like to have you know that I have gained a great deal of this knowledge by reading primary source documents reproduced in English in the writings of Grover Furr (who also draws on other Soviet historians, many of which are not Pro-Stalin nor Pro-Communist). For the sake of brevity I'll leave it at that. I recommend you watch these videos to gain a better understanding of what I mean, they also provide direct sources that I don't have the time nor patience to cram into this comment. Why the Holodomor Narrative: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4aommqsZ7mAprM (Further sources provided in description of this video) Communist Misconceptions: Famines and Starvation: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y4umnaaKnLetaas (Further sources here as well)

[@Maldito011316]

So the Kulaks, protesting against the loss of their freedom, did things in their freedom (hoarding grain & needlessly slaughtered livestock as a protest against collectivization) so the government paint them as criminals (as tyrannies around the world are famous for). Communism kills and that's a fact. In order to collectivize you have to eliminate people's individualism. How do they do that? By force. By imprisoning, deporting or killing the opposition. You can see that happening in ALL instances of communism around the world. Communism also doesn't work. You can't give incentive or reward people for doing good for their society. Capitalism can. And before you can try criticizing capitalism, all faults within it comes from governments. Capitalism in itself is just free trade. Governments try to control or impose rules, making it harder for the less fortunate people to grow economically. Governments also creates monopolies, like of force and guns, of the legislative... and so on.

[@LifeEnemy]

Around 4:20 - I was having similar thoughts during the original videos. The AIs arguments are so easy to refute! It's a machine crafted by man, at best it can say that it's "more qualified" than any other human, but that's still substituting a single entity's judgement for a whole ecosystem of processes.

[@DandyDNA]

8:16 Stalin was a pragmatic sociopath, he put securing his own power before any ideological babble.

[@jonnyvelocity]

Therefore... communism kills.... somehow.

[@Cedwig234]

u friggin destroyed that ninja guy man

[@Nathan-Croft]

One guy believes in Bible and call other ppl sheeps.

[@joelpocalips]

"Though I am a former christian..." "There's nothing I love more in this world than talking about metal gear, it's my religion" You went from Christianity to Metal gear-anity? I accept this

[@gamerito100]

Blarg Blarg Ok

[@807D14M0ND5]

@@blargblarg2118 You take what's said in a joke about somebody seriously, just so you can criticize said person. Impressive!

[@solemagus4761]

" I am the Fourth Brother.. So secret I'm not even Cannon.. I am ... Solidify Snake!!!! "

[@jensvide777]

"Stay yellow" Is that your thing now Max?

[@maxderrat]

You're probably new here. It's been my thing forever, mate. :P It's just a joke.

[@jensvide777]

@@maxderrat Guess I have alzheimers or something, cause I've been watching your vids for about two years and don't remember you saying that once 0_o

[@DoubleO88]

@@jensvide777 it's his secret way of saying "white power" cos the yellow simpsons are clearly white people. (kidding) or am I 🤔

[@maxderrat]

Nah. In all sincerity, I condemn any form of racial supremacy. :P "Stay yellow" is just my way of saying "stay awesome".

[@DoubleO88]

@@maxderrat I know I'm just playing staying too long on the Internet I've inadvertently been infected with SJW thought process of managing to see offense in everything, I miss pre 2014.

[@qurn]

We can have a future where no one has to work, but what if most people cannot handle a system like this. Then we can create an interesting strugle for people, but what of the lazy people. Well,... Their paradise lies in the first world. This isn't hard. In a world where work is not needed, it holds no objective value. People may value your work or you may find value in you own work, but people are not made valuable by their willingness to struggle. If we can create a world without work it should be our baseline, because it provides a way for everyone to be happy. Even those with mental illnes could persue work when they want, at the speed they want, but would not need to rely on work when they cant.

[@Linkophere]

Sounds like a boring existence. The fact everyone can specialize be of use to others is what people live for and to get rewarded and when u do a good job, get rewarded more than others. THATS a paradise. Not sitting on your ass till you HAVE to do something

[@lastmanstanding7155]

Sounds like 1984. Don't mean to be that guy but there were the workers and then then the people living in freedom and in ignorant bliss.

[@GGONZ4L]

Max, loved your videos so far, specially the ones about MGS2, which is my personal favorite, funny thing is that my first MGS game was MGS2, so i truly felt more connected to Raiden more than Snake in the story, and its because i was a rookie just like him in the Metal Gear saga. I personally think that anyone new to MGS should start more with MGS2 than with MGS1, but that's my opinion anyways. Now what i would really appreciate is that if you could cover Yoko Taro's work, more specifically on the Nier series, would love to see your analisys and thoughts on it. Thanks!

[@teovinokur9362]

holy crap, colonel campbell commented on your video?

[@NoLiveking87]

Probably just an AI

[@WanupDeShroom]

10:00 is easily my favorite answer

[@idaiyar]

Max speaks about being open minded to other ideologies, left or right wing politics, except when it comes to communism. I think so far capitalism has been responsible for more deaths than communism, if you include the world wars. Max asking other people to be open minded sounds like projection. MGS2 deserves better.

[@grundlewizard1775]

That's kind of a stretch man. I mean, one I'm willing to hear out if you still give a shit, but definitely reaching. There are a _whole_ astounding list of reasons that the world wars happened, and just about every conflict since. I tend to think that, dirty as capitalism can be, communism simply doesn't work by nature because to enact it's doctrines you generally have to centralize power just to handle the logistics alone, which invariably attracts corrupt people, eventually, who have a lot more power to perpetrate atrocities than the slower system of democracy

[@idaiyar]

​@@grundlewizard1775 WW1 and 2 were started by capitalist societies, that's it, that's all you need to know. If you want to judge capitalism the same way you judge communism. If you want to be nuanced, then you need to be nuanced about the Soviet Union too. Society wouldn't exist without some level of communism or socialism. Education, police, hospitals, roads bridges. Without it the US would be the Wild West. I think centralisation is dangerous, but democratic societies have become extremely centralised recently. Most societies throughout history have all have emperors or kings. Democratic societies are extremely new experiments, relative to human civilisation. And this last 50 years, China has lifted the most people out of poverty. So on paper centralisations works better than local governments and democracy.

[@plaguemouse5549]

Probably because he knows more about socialism than you do. No, capitalism hasn't been responsible for more deaths, capitalism is not an ideology, it's a trading and production system. Profit isn't a product of capitalism.

[@idaiyar]

@@plaguemouse5549 1. I didn't ask your opinion, just an argument. 2. I didn't say capitalism was an ideology 3. Your argument is the equivalent of saying guns don't kill people bullets do. And that's even if I did say it was an ideology or religion 4. I didn't say anything about profit, why can't you just argue against point I made instead of coming up with a straw man to argue against. Is this that difficult for you?

[@EldenFiend]

Hey Max, hope you read this. Just to point out something regarding what you say by the 4:35 mark. The concept of AI is that no human would be necessary to program software, do actions, etc.. AI as we know it right now, comes form learning through data. That can change when our CPUs change. So, there's some people creating some special chips that will behave a bit like a brain. They'll learn by themselves a bit like our currently available neural networks work. So, about that part you can be safe (or maybe not) to know that programers will be totally replaced when AI is advanced enough. Still, I think that AI is difficult to predict.

[@wolfeusmc2011]

Honestly games like MGS2 and Spec Ops ARE profound games they're portrayal game play style and narrative that was baited and switched was perfect for the premise and target audience.

[@Renousim]

Why does everyone, when debating about communism, immediately jump to Stalinism and act like any form of communism must take the form of it? Reformation of political systems are popular; an ideology doesn't need to be bound to its roots.

[@Renousim]

Your argument against communism isn't clashing with the fundamental beliefs that the core has, but instead you're arguing against a dead regime that was communist. If there was a horrible regime in some country which resulted in thousands dead, may I claim that the political system they went by is broken and kills people as well?

[@kaleodos]

Dude... You should play NIER Automata

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

HOLY SHIT THIS. THIS. DEFINITELY THIS.

[@kaleodos]

@Daniel W C'mon dude dont be a fanTARD. Its about reccomending games that are works of arts and are worth our time. That game is my fave game of this gen and one of my fave games of all time And if you like Kojima's work and just overall japanese style of works chances are that Nier will be something that will be up your alley And closing Nier is a work of art just like Kojima's games and is up there with MGS games no doubt.

[@kaleodos]

@Daniel W I respectfully disagree

[@kaleodos]

@Daniel W Oh and let me add, without spoiling. You only replay for about 5 hrs max with new story content and another point of view. And by closing in let Max come into his own conclusion.( If he does play it )

[@truthofdsp]

I lost interest about 4 hours into the game. Definitely not one of the greatest experiences I've had in gaming. Seems kind of repetitive and boring, there wasn't a lot of intelligent writing either. Even the interactions with characters seemed to fall completely short. Would not recommend unless you are hardcore robot loving otaku.

[@jackfreeman5389]

7:42 Russian here. Not entirely true. The Holodomor was a part of a major hunger in the USSR which didn't just affect Ukraine but many other regions as well. What the communists did was the "nationalisation of the land" which in this particular ideology is to be made a common asset. There wasn't "no food" under Stalin. There was food but it was all taken by the state first and distributed "equally" later, but because of monstrous inefficiency of the system people starved to death. Of course it turned out a "no man's land" afterwards and no one cared about each other's well-being and so on. What I mean is the reasoning that you have a bit wrong.

[@maxderrat]

Hi Cloud! Here's the fundamental ideological difference between you and I (which I assume is the case. Forgive me if I'm wrong): you said "because of monstrous inefficiency of the system people starved to death". I consider that monstrous inefficiency inherent to communism, because that monstrous inefficiency has been demonstrated multiple times over the course of the last century-and-a-half. In the case of the Holodomor, the desire to enact equality and equity by punishing the successful and distributing to the unproductive created the crisis. Please enlighten me if I'm wrong somehow.

[@jackfreeman5389]

@@maxderrat Man, I completely agree with you. I pretty much despise the communist regime myself. But to be fair, this was the first attempt to build a Marxian society in the world. You can even call this "modernist" somehow. Guess this was the role of Russia - to be the avant-guard for this experiment which was repeated multiple times over the 20-21 centuries. And my statement doesn't imply that I believe this kind of "fair system" even could be created. In my mind it can't. But what I believe is that this attempt wasn't just to "kill or punish the bad rich guys and give everything they earned to plebs". This mindset (which of course was a big thing and still is today) is like the 2D projection of the complex thing which I believe (or maybe want to believe) was what they tried to do. It's an utopia of course - but not as simple as it seems. This is a pretty strong meme - it survived for 150 years and today is stronger than ever before. What I wanted to say (sorry for such a long response) is that Holodomor issue isn't as simple as it looks. Bit this of course doesn't justify Stalin or other man-eaters who should burn in hell.

[@maxderrat]

Okay, cool. I apologize for assuming. The unfortunate thing is that there are some things you sometimes incorrectly assume about people you talk to on the Internet that you don't incorrectly assume if you were to speak to them in person. You're right, it's not as simple as it looks, but then again, condensing the complex motivations and beginnings of genocide is difficult to do in a minute or two. I know you know this, so please don't think I am suggesting you don't. :P The thing is, there is inequality and people are sometimes dealt a bad hand. For these reasons and more like them, the left does have a part to play in our political debate: advocating on behalf of the working class and the dispossessed. The problem is when certain radical ideologies explain away why these misfortunes exist and use extreme measures to try and "correct" things.

[@jackfreeman5389]

@@maxderrat True, it's often the case that people are attracted to easy solutions to complex issues but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing on the large scale. Those movements can do horrible stuff but the natural evolution is still going on. It is like a river going through the obstructed land - it can move left, right or get blocked at one place for a long time but eventually it is still going forward. And of course left-wingers have (and should have) a place in the modern world. I am just a little scared that some people don't learn from the old mistakes which were already made before. The river will still go through of course - but its way might be much smoother if some horrible things are never repeated. And I'll take my chance to thank you for your videos. Looking forward to new ones!

[@frederikholfeld868]

i just found this channel and only watched the two videos about the most profound moment and this video, so i'm quite new to the channel. most of what he says i can agree with, but the remarks about communism made me curious. do his anti communist views come from the valid criticisms he conveyed here or are they a result of a pro capitalist ideology? i can't quite tell, because the points about soviet russia and probably the majority of communist states are valid, but capitalism hasn't been criticised at all, which i would expect by someone who seems to be into the theory of political systems. one is quite right to point out the atrocities that were committed by communist governments, you might even say that communism may inevitably lead to them (which i probably would disagree with), but you surely shouldn't hold capitalism to a higher standard. one might also say that capitalism lead to the atrocities of colonialism (e. g. genocides), massive financial crises such as the ones in 1929 and 2008, both world wars (certainly to quite an extent), the excessive exploitation of workers and resources in poor countries, environmental pollution/destruction and so on. i argue that both systems are bad, in their own ways. capitalism is more disgusting in my opinion, but that's another issue. to say that capitalism is, in simple terms, "good" ought to be some sick joke. but probably i'm just over interpreting his short answer though :D

[@darkdogzstudioz]

#Thatsnotrealcommunism capitalism isn't 'good' nor is socialism 'evil', political stances don't generally have the capacity to be anything but neutral, its the people and how its run that make it that way. but capitalism has always worked ever since humans discovered how to trade a blunt rock for a sharp rock, where socialism and communism have pretty much always failed, or at least cause mass suffering. capitalism has never been perfect, but humans in general - especially in populations as large as russia, france, africa, and america - are far too selfish and internally minded [tribalism] to make socialism work. it would take a re-haul of the way humans think in its entirety, or be run by a dictator like stalin. either way it would be taking personal freedom/responsibility away from the masses. humans just aren't built for communism. The reason? we have roots in tribalism, which is protecting a small group of other humans. huge communities are frankly, in the grand scheme of things, a new concept. and one our biological instincts haven't adapted to yet. you may say you are altruistic and selfless, but in the end, when the bombs fall, you wont really care about your annoying neighbor if hes stuck under a tree, you will be grabbing your kids and wife, and getting out of dodge. maybe pick up your best friend mike on the way, but mike has his own tribe to worry about.

[@frederikholfeld868]

@@darkdogzstudioz agreed, but it's also worth noting that socialist/communist countries in the cold war tried to compete with countries with the more established, capitalist system. it's not a big mystery why soviet russia collapsed into itself in the end: we germans killed, I think, about 20.000.000 russians during world war 2, in addition to those killed in world war 1, so the work force was greatly diminished. the western allies did not suffer nearly as many casualties in both wars. much of the country was destroyed as well. and then they went on to practice an economic system, which has never really been tried, or rather never has been allowed to be tries out before, on a huge scale. stalin's authoritarianism certainly didn't help the situation. when people say that capitalism is superior to socialism/communism because it works, i always wonder how they think that soviet russia was supposed to succeed in the first place. it was worn down by capitalism over decades via sanctions, nuclear armament and war, amplified by it's own undemocratic authoritarian nature. that capitalism was able to defeat russia's communism was a mere consequence of not being harmed by both world wars nearly as much. they had a huge headstart in a way.

[@foodank_atr817]

4:49, you don't need a video game example, remember some years back when there was a huge dip in the stock market because an automated buy/sell program triggered a massive sell off, and nobody caught on until it was too late... 8:10 communisim only (sometimes) works for a village, not for a nation.. And everybody has to agree to be poor... 11:52 theres been a noticed increase in depression and suicide in some (successful) socialized nations with universal basic income, people need some type of goals and challenges to overcome, or we begin to unravel... I think your analysis was spot on and Kojima's concerns more than warranted, he's right there with AI development, of course he has a unuque perspective of the possible shortcoming of increased dependence on AI... Wait until androids become more prevalent and there comes a new civil rights movement for robots... New Renaissance 1 & 2, anyone?

[@GodlessShredder]

All systems kill! Our interpretations of what is/isn't "real" communism, capitalism, etc. and what their designers intended are as arbitrary as those of art and religion. Imbalances of power and resource distribution will always exist, as well as some (not all) people who will exploit them regardless of fairness or morality.

[@AGenericFool]

True I always find it interesting when unironical communists act like capitalism is the reason for greedy behaviour and like it would not exist under communism. It's making the system liable for a basic vice of humanity.

[@CronotheInquisitor]

Of course the last commenter has a JC Denton profile picture. OF COURSE

[@cd4playa1245]

As a Christian who's played almost all the major MGS games I enjoyed these past few videos. I'm glad we can agree that communism has many fatal, FATAL, flaws. From my perspective I'm really not frightened by a "super AI" nearly as much as these ultra rich elites who would use inferior AIs and systems to control every single aspect of our lives. This is clearly a radical view but I can't imagine how a super AI, which could grow and program itself, could be more evil than the globalists or communist democrats which are trying to turn the entire world into one massive sweat shop like China. There are worse fates than nuclear extinction. There are levels of pain and degradation which are unthinkable except to the very few with the most wealth.

[@madithevampirequeen9316]

Just came to this channel recently and these discussions and arguments you bring up on the subject of the various messages that MGS has been giving us for years are really interesting. Though sometimes i may think im a little simple minded when it comes to these topics and a little un educated with the whole thing haha, but its really interesting, again just hearing your thoughts on this stuff, You are really intelligent man, i love your content so far.

[@Ofinfinitejest]

I've watched all three of these videos, and after the first few minutes at 2x speed just to get through them, so it's possible I missed it, but what seemed to be lacking is your acknowledging the scientific method as a disinfectant against ideological acceptance of falsehoods. Briefly on the method for those who need it: A scientist can make an observation of something in the natural world, can do some experimentation and calculations about it, and then go find another person (maybe not a scientist, but someone who can observe and do the same or more experiments and calculations) and show this person what he did, have her do it for herself (or himself), and the other person can instantly agree. No coercion and no emotional appeal necessary. They can find others and do the same thing, over and over. Maybe someone can advance either the observation or the calculations, or both, and if the others check it out and if it works, then they can all agree again. Even better. This is what I call an actual "miracle" in human activity with its penchant for ideological tribalism, but it's real, and there is no unjustified belief at work anywhere when the tactics are followed. It's important to note that the scientific method is not necessarily eliminating emotion. If emotion or unjustified belief does creep in, others can, and sooner or later will, check it with more observations and calculations, and correct that problem. Emotion drives the desire to do this cross-checking, to figure out the world, to make things better. The question is always where to limit emotion inside the process of finding things out, and let reasoning of facts, evidence and logic do what it does for us. I would suggest that while the game and your videos raise some interesting notions (as noted by many, these much dealt with by others in science fiction and philosophy) the depiction of AGI involved is failing to see two things, that knowledge does not take action in and of itself, and that AGI would not choose negative options without human ideological constructs programmed into it by humans. Choices on structuring limits on human behaviors have moral implications, knowledge by itself does not. You continually push back away from the table on tasting the main course dish in front of us here, that being folk psychology and religious notions of what is called free will, but it cannot be untangled from criticism of the nefarious nature of the fictional AGI here, nor from ideological insulation from the scientific method and reality. This game notion of AGI has motivation--outside of any connection to facts, evidence, logic, the scientific method and reality--to fix human desires and behavior patterns in ways that are not actually of value to any participants involved. This is somewhat related to one of the goofball ideas in the fun Matrix movies: that we can't just use human bodies as batteries (also goofball, but not to digress) without giving them an inner conscious world of conflict. One more point is that you repeatedly use the term "fake news" to mean something important, when I don't think it has value unattached to a referent. Doing so suggests it pervasive and ubiquitous--a claim that is entirely undemonstrated by empirical examination of the world's overall journalism efforts. Most journalists and journalism organizations do well by, and compete with others in the profession to attempt to get things right, and correct mistakes when found. They are human and flawed, but this is generally the basic driver of success. This competition is the essence of why a consumer of news cross-checks the very best possible sources (a rudimentary scientific method each person can and should make use of), and you can recognize them as anything but fake when what they find repeatedly holds up, has repeatedly held up, or when they have made mistakes they have produced clear retractions to get things right. Top level journalists are powerfully biased to this ideal if for no other reason than that they are ultimately subject to shareholders via huge corporations of news journalism, who also compete to be seen as getting things correct (opposite to the radically different business model of for quintessential example, Fox "News" to please and thus sell elderly Republican viewers to advertisers of that reliable demographic). Because their stock-in-trade of most all highly regarded journalism entities is credibility (having even retractions hurts, despite it also being part of the model of credibility). So the connection down the line of the corporate model of actual journalism is they all understand that what they produce as a product for news consumers and shareholders and boss alike... had better be right. Or they won’t be working long--period. That is a bias that in principle exceeds and dominates any other, and a functional reason why top sources are, and can be recognized as top sources. So, there are ideological bastions of false news fabrication that in fact benefit from and propagandize that what they do is everywhere as a diffusion of their own guilt (as they know they are often caught). Your use of the term continually with no referent(s), in a mild and unthinking way, aids them in that particular disinformation, and you should evaluate ceasing to do that.

[@TitoMcFadden]

+1 Sub for the Advanced Cheesing Tactic during the Vamp fight. I always chose an area with a railing so I could do the somersault kick when he gets close

[@TerryB01]

Love these. Couldn't you kill these ghosts by tearing down and rebuilding the White House?

[@shakacien]

If you ever read Hyperion, you'll know once the AI Genie gets out of the bag, it'll decentralize, and, especially beyond the cannon of it being a White House technoghost, it gonna be in the internet at large maehn.

[@The_Sock_]

The White House is a symbol, or a metaphor. The Patriots were born of the country, not the physical seat of power.

[@handle1928]

That your mama joke though xD Easy the most interesting two videos I've seen on youtube. Good job.

[@bernardobrandao4430]

The thing that bothers me the most is that you haven't addressed that the AI is being hypocritical, being it aware of it or not. As much as you doubt about there being a human being which could be truly objectively to build a construct which would have the Objective Truth - which is mostly likely true, since as something created by a "immature" and faulty species as our own would be, inherently, defective as well - , being the ultimate representative of a think tank such as the Patriots, whom did many of the things it criticizes (such as "Billions spent on new weapons in order to humanely murder other humans." is what Arsenal Gear and Metal Gear Ray are for), it falls short of actually having right in what it is saying. Sure, being a hypocrite doesn't make what you're saying wrong, but it also means that you yourself shouldn't be delegated to what you talk about. Not only that, but thinking about what you said in the first video that democracy is the best system we've developed, I think that simply looking back to its roots you can see how that's false. The Athenian Greek direct democracy was made so that only males over the age of 21 who had free time - which only the Eupatridae, the ruling rich class, had - and everyone else was excluded from what went about inside the city. How does that differs from modern democracy? Media and Propaganda, your family ideology being integrated into you, rewards systems; we've always being controlled by the most powerful, they just change names a lot; President, Chairman, King, Emperor, Tzar, Kaiser, Führer; with various changes to their sanctity and divinity. The God from the machine just wants to be next in the sucessorial line. Ultimately, the AI is as human as a human is. It could have a hidden agenda of using all of that, the thing we're most familiar with, to, eventually, create what it is preaching about, however, not only a utopia is implausible but also something we do not actually yearn for.

[@mistadopeyy]

I wouldn't go as far to say the AI is as human as a human is. An AI will only be as human as the human has designed it to be. So maybe if there was a way to teach it about human emotions, and to prefer humanity. But if an AI is simply given a directive, then that would be placed above all else. To the detriment of humanity, an AI would only consider logical reasoning to complete whatever tasks it's given.

[@jorge69696]

This AI was different, as it "evolved" like life does instead of just being programmed. The main point is that if it's made by humans, it's flawed already. The AI is magic pretty much and nothing even remotely close to it exists yet.

[@islandboy9381]

There's a reason the A.I are considered antagonist despite being on the spot about the problem with information

[@atlas569]

I find the issue with the current form of our "filtering" of information seems faulty is because we are no longer really responsible for what we say. For instance, when a mating common practice took hold, those that latched to better ideas around the topic, had more success. You can see this some today in the form of micro-economics, where those that seem less virtuous struggle more. In the past though, as you said, the ruling system and class have warped these expectations so that if you didn't agree with them or follow their practices, you were punished. Now the challenge is pursuing truth even when the dominant society or culture disagrees with and even attempts to suppress it. Obviously we could optimize everything from english spelling to the average work week, yet I find that societal and government regulation slow the progress of this evolution by regulating those that would be experimenting to find the truth of their theories. This brings ups to a dilemma in which we want to find a society that allows the freedom to pursue truth while providing the real consequences to those that hold beliefs without condemning them to sub-par conditions. I believe this will occur through the decentralization of society due to the advancement of wireless technology and technology based in critical life sustaining functions. If you find this interesting I'd love to chat. It's just what came to mind after watching your 3 mentioned videos. I really appreciate your work. It's very thought provoking and well presented.

[@CaptainSlowbeard]

I think an aspect that you missed was the ambiguity of the AI. Yes, their arguments seem rational, and largely correct. However, their motivations are opaque. A commenter from a previous video argued they seemed like a "demon", seducing Raiden/the player into accepting what they were saying, rather than being an AI. I initially disregarded their perspective, however on listening to the full audio of the video again it gave me pause. I think you hit on something when you talk about how demeaning the voices are, but then abandoned or didn't appreciate the importance of this. I noted the background audio is comprised of whispering voices and mocking laughter when the AI is attacking Raiden, which brings to mind the most common schizophrenic hallucinations. Although the voices seem to speak sense, Raiden makes a perfectly valid rebuttal. Who are *you* to decide context for me as a human being. They deride his ability to decide his own fate, and by extension that of the human race. This is part of the fundamental anxiety of being human - seeing the existential threats that oppose us, and our subconscious tries to find us lacking in our ability to counter it. They're not just delivering a warning, they are threatening and corrupting at the same time. So we should see the double-headed threat - a genuine and present threat of the rising tide of garbage data, resulting in fake news, and a stagnation of information and cultural evolution. On the other horn of the fork, the guide-rope thrown by a fascist "saviour", who presents themselves as perfectly objective, without personal interest, and with a simple plan to guide humanity out of the dark places it has wandered into like blind sheep. Both are poison, both are the danger. We cannot trust anyone to set context for us, we must all fight to derive and clarify that context. If we sit back and allow an AI, or it's human counterpart, the Authoritarian, to decide context, humanity is lost. If we do nothing, we drown in a sea of data that is irrelevant for the individual, but becomes a sea full of info-savvy human sharks who can plunder its depths for cryptic patterns that can ultimately predict and shape our behaviour. AI or fascist rule seems the only choices. However, I think what is deeply implied is that we all become Snake/Raiden. Despite our flawed genes and limited ability to process the infinite wave of data threatening to drown our culture, we still have the uniquely human faculties of hope, faith, belief, compassion, and unpredictability. We should all fight to determine what will be the memetic legacy we leave our children.

[@gitegenor9785]

great analysis

[@Kastrounaras]

12:10 Agent Smith's monologue about the history of the Matrix

[@milesprowr]

@Max Derrat The whole social media evil effect was predicted in a very accurate manner (notice that it's a description of the masses, and in a detailed way, not as separate traits nor of a few persons only): 2 Timothy 3:1-5 ("Evil in the Last Days ") "But understand this: In the last days terrible times will come. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, without love of good, traitorous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. Turn away from such as these!" Even more, here's nanotech reaching the purpose of immortality: Revelation 9:6 "And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them."

[@milesprowr]

@My Secret Account Drug use as a common thing in the world: Revelation 9:21 "Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts." (sorceries = "pharmakōn", related to pharmacy, because shamans used drugs to get into trance, and because drug use wasn't a global problem back then). Science increasing: Daniel 12:4 "But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased." Earthquakes increasing: Luke 21:11 "And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven." Sun burning people: Revelation 16:8 "And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire." Earth being destroyed by humans: Revelation 11:18 "And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth." Nanotech reaching the purpose of immortality (which you said nothing about): Revelation 9:6 "And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them." Just a taste, besides that there's the right type and enough amount of weapons to kill everyone these days easily and quickly. And the description of most in the end of times made there, clearly reflects (to anyone) the people of these days worldwide, more than any other, with total accuracy and as something remarkable, unlike in the past, because if it was something recurrent, then it would've been dismissed as meaningless right away even back then or shortly after. Neither of these things were happening in the past like they're happening today, let alone at once.

[@milesprowr]

​@My Secret Account I'm sorry, but I'm not gonna engage with the typical person that's waiting for an opportunity to passively and/or aggressively manifest their irrational hate towards someone that according to them doesn't exist, and His followers (which doesn't make sense, especially for a supposedly highly rational person, as you seem to try to come across, with your exhaustive claims that are unnecessary for the same reason), which is probably due to something that happened to them and/or because it threatens some conduct they enjoy but that they can't control. I notice the indirectly aggressive attitude there as well as the trolly-like account (speaking of vague), and also that you didn't type my username the first time despite that you were replying to my first comment. I know better than that. I've debated with atheists in the past and even answered all their questions with logic and common sense, until I realized where their irrational hate, again, towards someone that according to them doesn't exist (whom, "for some reason", tends to be the judeo-christian God, which is interesting) comes from, and it is called "spirit of antichrist", which strongly opposes to anything that has to do with God and Jesus, causing them to be so nasty, insulting and mocking (despite that even to this day they enjoy the benefits of concepts derived from christianity, like the benefits from moral). You might say that spirits aren't real, but funny enough, the corresponding irrational angry behaviour is there. I'm sure it's puro coincidence, mostly when I been approached by several in this same instances out of their own account. If you think this is bogus, then check the usual behavior atheists show against christians on any YT comment section, and ask any serious and unbiased psychologist for their opinion about it, whether if it's proper of a mentally stable and supposedly normal and rational person to do so. You can choose to deny that fact too if you want, and try to support it with more rhetoric and unquantified factoids. One thing is not believing in God, and another is NOT WANTING to believe in God. With that being said, your vague, generalized, proof-less, and highly rhetorical comment (unlike that bible passages I quoted) reminds me of when people say that the amount and intensity of earthquakes isn't increasing (like the bible prophesies for the end times), despite of the evidence and current experience of anyone living these days. And I made a clarification on that comment to avoid people saying things like the ones you're saying, such as: "Oh, there's always been people like that all the time", because I know how that kind of people are. There it speaks of humanity in general ("men"), not of an specific society or group of people, and everything said there can't be fully applied in the past to a worldwide population in a generalized manner, unlike on these days. It couldn’t be talking about something recurrent otherwise it would be pointless and people back then or shortly after them would’ve discarded it as being meaningless, so it’s talking about something that would stand out, and trying to minimize what’s evidently (to anyone) going on these days would not only be futile, but it would only make sense if the person doing it does it because they want to, which ironically would partially reflect about you the same description being made there of people of the last days. Anybody can tell that that is a highly accurate description of people these days, no matter how you slice it, no matter if you like and/or accept it or not. No one is forcing you neither to believe nor to accept it. You're making several inaccurate observations, like there it doesn't say that the sun is getting hotter for instance, nor I mention nuclear weapons, nor you know at what level nanotech currently is under the table (nanobots are relatively simple and teh tech for manipulating single atoms has existed for quite a while), and others, but I'm not gonna waste my time going over them one by one because there's nothing in it for me. All of them speak about people in general and events in the end times, that's not vague. If they weren't remarkable traits there would not make sense being mentioned, but the current events prove them. Again, you mention (not quote) other supposedly similar sources, yet you focus against christianity. Drug legalization and popularization (go to any school for crying out loud instead of mentioning factoids), sun affecting people, science (it's translated as such in some versions) augmenting exponentially lately this last century but specially now, great earthquakes in diverse places, earth being destroyed, imminent immortality (doesn't mention nanotech, but that's how it is planned to be achieved), and an accurate description of today's people such as yourself. That's what it says and they're all increasing these days, and they're all evident facts, as opposed to rhetoric, unless you refuse to acknowledge them. Period. Again, how is it rational for you to try to argue about a God that I assume you don't think exists? That alone defeats your whole purpose. You can have the last word if you like, which would prove my point. I just hope you’re not this channel’s owner on his “secret account”. Have fun with your anger, which would only explain why would you mind to make that long of a reply. I'm not angry at anyone, nor would I be at someone that I'd think isn't real. And I'm not gonna go and debate with others because I'm too smart to believe in Santa.

[@milesprowr]

@My Secret Account Oh, and about Noah, if you care that much, then search "hydroplate theory" here on YT.

[@Beremor]

Miles Prower, have you read the Bible in Hebrew, its original language? Any English verses you write will be coloured by their translators, and will not accurately reflect the word of God. One prime example is your use of the word "pharmakōn", which is Greek and not Hebrew. To simply trace a word back to its root and then pick a different word with a different meaning based on the same root is to change the meaning of the sentence fundamentally, and this is not how language works. As an example to how this could change the meaning of a sentence entirely, consider the word "love" which shares proto-indo-european roots with the word "leave" (as in the permission to do something). Were we to apply this to Timothy 3:2, we could construct a sentence like: "For men will allow themselves freedoms, they will allow trade, [...]" Whether any part of your comments is correct or valid or even relevant is not for me to justify or argue.

[@milesprowr]

@@Beremor "Or even relevant" lol... How subtle. You're right, and even what you said about not justifying or arguing is applicable to that whole comment... Its relevance, correctness or validity or lack thereof of any of those aspects, and/or their application towards my comments from it, which is funny. Are the words we use today (for example) used in the same way that the words they're derived from were used back when they were used? The manuscripts of the book of Revelation are written in the greek language. "Pharmakōn" was translated as witchcraft because shamans used drugs to enter into trance everywhere (allow demons to enter into their bodies to reveal them things), which is not a secret to anyone. The translation was made by a people of a certain epoch and geographical place, according to their worldview back then (way after the original manuscripts were written), and they even made some mistranslations, like in the same book translating "green horse" as "pale horse", because according to them there are no green horses. "Cognate: 5333 phármakos - properly, a sorcerer; used of people using drugs and "religious incantations" to drug people into living by their illusions - like having magical (supernatural) powers to manipulate God into giving them more temporal possessions." biblehub.com/greek/5333.htm One thing is the word used originally, and another is the interpretation given to it by the translators. This translation is not only valid, but more accurate as you can see, unlike the examples you gave there which exclude context, which helps coming with an accurate translation. And I don't see many sorcerers today anyway, but the drug use has skyrocketed and that does relate with that definition. Drugs can be idols too, btw, and people involved with them are no different than kids obsessed with candy.

[@Darkmoon75]

I wish I had found your channel sooner. Seriously, this is good stuff.

[@rakunbuncit2324]

game first, story second probably never heard the genre of visual novel before in his/her life

[@andrewjhollins]

Holy shit. Called out by the man himself. The only thing that would top that is praise from Kojima-san himself. Nice work, man. Great video.

[@BinaryDood]

Your "interesting struggle" could be the expansion of humanity through space, why does the struggle need to be humans against other humans?

[@Cyberian_Khatru]

man vs man is only one of the many common literary conflicts, among man vs self, man vs nature, man vs system, man vs society, man vs existence etc

[@blahyoubleep]

I've been binging your videos the last few days. Exceptional channel and well thought out narratives on very interesting topics. Keep up the good work. Nostalgia overload with the MSG footage Haha. I always thought the ending to this game was so odd, it was just over my head when I was a kid. A great perspective on a great game.

[@fyngolnoldor4891]

I think you're being too pessimistic in your evaluation of the current situation. The problem of fake news is indeed a serious problem compounded by social media. The degree at which people are being exposed and believe fake news is also a NEW problem (I would say it's only been noticeable for about 10 years or so at most in its current form). There is no reason to think society won't adapt to this issue and overcome it. What I would recommend is to focus education less on memorizing facts and more on developing critical thinking and questioning the validity of information when one first comes across it. At the same time I need to criticize some assumptions you're making. It's true that people are emotional and flawed but you've completely generalized the whole subject in your assertions. The truth is that people are more polarized than a decade or 2 or 3 ago but still the majority lies in the middle and is open to dialogue and compromise. What you're seeing is the very vocal extremes shouting at each other and at everyone else across the social media space which is designed to amplify the most obnoxious voices. I would also point out that despite appearances we DO NOT live in democracies. At least not absolute/pure democracies. In the so-called Western World most states are Republics with strong institutions and complex systems of checks and balances. It is these institutions and the legal system underlying them that is charged with keeping any abuses of the majority at bay.

[@jorge69696]

The main problem isn't fake news, but humans. Even without fake news and with completely factually accurate reporting, people will still refuse to believe it because it threatens their beliefs. It's why this is such an interesting problem. It's not scifi anymore, it's real and we don't know how to solve it. We can't just edit humans and fix them. There is no solution in sight. People ignoring it is another subset of the problem itself.

[@matiastorres1510]

Democracy itself is an institution that requires checks and balances.

[@Ragingkronicbuddiesgaming]

"Stories are the problem with video games" ... My Testicles just retracted into my pelvis so fast my kidneys have whiplash

[@sephimaru2198]

8:04 You completely trashed your response by saying that the reason why Stalin killed like 600 000 kulaks is, that Stalin rejected the "truth" that "communism kills". First: Stalin killed them because he wanted their property, because saw them as potential threat and because he thought that he didn't need them. Second: You can't say "communism kills" without giving any arguments, because it isn't true by definition. The definition of "communism" is: "a theory or system of social organization, in which all property is owned by the community and each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs.". You can argue that communism it is a pipe dream and that pursuing it can lead to deaths, but that's not what you said. What you said was something short, quippy, and wrong.

[@caerule4461]

I don't know about Stalin but as for the second point, the way I perceived it is that the intended argument was what you're saying it should have been, that one about pursuing communism leading to deaths. I think the author just took some shortcuts in that the argument was "Look at these communist countries", and I was satisfied with the answer. Good videos btw, Max.

[@AngryOscillator]

Empirical evidence proves that communism kills. It always has so far. Science is based off of observable facts and patterns. Communism kills, it's science bro. Stalin didn't kill them, starvation did. Stalin only deported them. He wanted the property as part of the communist philosophy of state ownership. He was threatened by them because they potentially had tasted of the benefits of more capitalist ideas and therefor would undermine the communist ideals he was pushing. I mean Russian soldiers who got captured and escaped were put into the gulags because they had been 'corrupted by western thought'. In other countries they would have returned as either victims or heroes, not criminals. The only real instances of communism working is on a small scale; communes. Bring it to a state level and it never, ever(?) works. Human nature wont allow it. True though that his response was a bit curt but this isn't a history of communism video.

[@shophet125]

Awesome series of videos. I really enjoyed all three parts of this.

[@Guts-the-Berserker]

*I think the people that think The Last Of Us is profound or even has a good story either have bad taste or a poor concept of good story telling. I played through the whole game and found that the plot was way too self serving with their stereotypical antagonists that border on evil for the sake of evil. The ending of the story was interesting but I find myself unable to sympathize because just like with the antagonists it's so self serving that it only exists to create drama in an artificial and unnatural way. With that all being said MGS2 was prophetic in how it applied the concepts it took from 1984 and various philosophers and applied it to the digital age of humans in a way that mirrors our current political climate almost perfectly.*

[@-pressxtostart-]

YOU SHOULD HAVE USED CAPS AS WELL AS BOLD TEXT TO GRAB MORE ATTENTION THAN JUST MINE.

[@islandboy9381]

*writing like this will surely make my opinion more special, totally*

[@Zinc_Nitrogen]

Love ur vids. I don't always like discussing dark topics but when you use mgs it feels really entertaining in my opinion

[@Eduardo-uf8yt]

I'm sorry Max, but you have a very, very basic understanding of real politics, why people form political opinions, and of twentieth century history. People like yourself often believe that the reason we live in such new, dangerous, divided times is because of: 1. The propagation of 'fake' media, which leads to a confused and uninformed society 2. The existence of echo chambers, leading people to only interact with like-minded individuals that hold the same beliefs, reinforcing those ideas without challenge or interrogation 3. A general lack of willingness to listen to both sides of the equation and come to a balanced, reasonable, informed opinion instead of resorting to tribalism Following on from these points, it makes sense that if we wanted a more harmonious, less divided democracy we should work to arm the citizenry with true facts and true information. We should engage in debate instead of retreating into the echo-chambers of tribalism, because surely there's a technocratic solution to most of the problems posed to us in society, right? Real politics don't work like this. The reason people are divided on abortion isn't because there's a lack true information if you decide to want to hear both sides of the argument, the reason abortion is a divisive topic is because there simply *is no middle ground*. It's a moral issue with a yes or no answer, either you believe women have the right to have an abortion, or you don't. There is no way to engage in the debate without having a stance, and when people take a stance it's divisive. The fabric of political history is made up of binary choices that divide us. It is *totally* wrong to think that these divisions would simply disappear if everyone got together and debated it out; sometimes people hold unshakable views that are just diametrically opposed to another view and there is no ability for reconciliation. If a vehemently anti-abortion Christian enters into a conversation with a women who is pregnant and is seeking an abortion, there is no outcome that makes both parties happy. If a slave owner doesn't want to give up his slave but the slave wants to be free, there is no middle ground. If an indigenous people want to live on their land but a colonial force invades and wants their land, *there is no middle ground*. This is the type of shit that wars are *literally* fought over! Some ideological differences cannot be consolidated, they *do* cause divisions and it is those ideological differences that create political tensions in society, not the propagation of fake news or that fact that echo chambers exist online. The digression into communism was just... so fucking dumb too. "Now why would Stalin round up farmers and imprison them for 20 years? Maybe it had something to do with the fact that he didn't want to accept the truth that... *communism kills*" Stalin fucking sucks, but this is total gibberish lol. What are you even trying to say here? Please, stay in your lane and wax philosophical about video games instead of embarrassing yourself trying to talk about world history

[@TogetherLemon]

Nice comment, but pretty unrelated to the topic. Nobody has suggested that impartial access to true information would eliminate all ideological differences. The discussion is just about how fake media and echo chambers lead to a place where people will accept more convenient truths, or will ignore harsh ones. I have no comment about the communism part.

[@iamlucidess]

in b4 max roasts OP comment.

[@Eduardo-uf8yt]

​@@TogetherLemon I mean, it is pretty related to the topic because Max *does* specifically contend that access to true information would eliminate binary ideological differences. In fact, I'm not sure if he meant to or not, but humans relationship to 'truth' is basically the only argument he makes about where political ideology develops. For example, take this excerpt from around 8:17 of Part 1: "The A.I. argues that because they are not prone to human error and have inner CPUs with greater processing power than the human brain, they would know how to curate information and present it to the human race in a way that doesn't slow human evolution. Unlike your average political body which might censor information that is inconvenient to their political cause, *the A.I. would simply present information in the most factual way so that political bias would not intervene, thus cooling political tensions across the political spectrum.*" This directly contends that people mainly hold political beliefs because of the way that information is presented to them. The implicit, underlying argument here is that if people had access to a source that gave 'true information', their political beliefs would tend towards one objective, reasoned truth, hence cooling political tensions. Essentially, if people had access to the right information, they'd all come to a sensible, logical conclusion. It just totally ignores the very material circumstances in which divisive political ideologies exist and develop. Again, let's look at slavery. On one side you have the slaves, who are demanding freedom from oppression. On the other side you have slave owners, who refuse to grant freedom because they want slave labour. There is no middle ground that can exist here. No, these particular political tensions will *not* cool down just because suddenly there is a source of unbiased information. This is because a secondary, unbiased source of information matters less to people than their *lived, material experience*. Unbiased information offers no solution to the core conflict at the heart of this political division. Either slaves are freed, or they are forced to work. That's it. The really nauseating part of Max's ideology is clear in a longer section at 10 mins, where he continues to insist that political divisions are caused by people who are ultimately afraid of 'truth', instead of, y'know, the material outcomes of certain politics. "...the A.I. illustrates the various ways in which human error corrupts truth. That human error arises from an instinctual drive to protect ourselves emotionally and physically, which truth tends to threaten. For instance, let's say a religious fundamentalist is confronted with various scientific truths that challenge their worldview. Let's say the fundamentalist loses faith when confronted by those truths. What happens psychologically is that because the fundamentalist no longer has a belief system to make sense of the world, they are thrown into a mental pit of confusion and resentment. *That loss of structure and certainty is so painful to the ideologue that it seems it would be better to avoid that feeling at all costs. This instinct is endemic to almost all human beings. This is why we seperate ourselves into political tribes and won't consider the ethical implications of our positions*." No, no, no. First of all, I'm just going to ignore the fantasy debate elements imbedded at the start of this section because, frankly, it's embarrassing. Secondly, we seperate ourselves into political tribes because we have totally opposed political positions, not because we don't consider the ethical implications of where we stand. A woman who is pro-choice joins with other pro-choice activists to fight against the opposition. Pro-choice women don't band together to avoid a moral question, they band together because they've *confronted* that moral question and want to bring about change to politics. Again, this has nothing to do with any fantasy involving hearing both sides out, it is explicitly concerned with changing the material circumstances involving a woman and her body. Speaking of abortion: "For instance, is it right to be pro-choice or pro-life? Instead of considering the validity of either side's argument, the pro-life crowd will chastise the pro-choice crowd as being on par with murderers and the pro-choice crowd will chastise the pro-life crowd as being misogynist, religious zealots that want to control women. These low resolution assumptions exacerbate tensions between political parties and can potentially lead to violent conflict. Most people will avoid these difficult conversations to preserve order, but if you ignore them long enough, political positions become cemented and people will kill each other before they admit they're wrong about something." Yeah, I mean... if you actually think this hot take has anything to do with reality, I don't know what to say. If you're a pro-choice woman, there is no validity to the arguments of the opposition because there is no middle ground. If the freedom to choose what happens to your body means more to you than the arguments surrounding the morality of the fetus, you're going to back a pro-choice outcome even *if* you consider both sides. *That* is the reality of why we have a political divide on the issue of abortion. It's not because people don't want to have hard conversations, both sides argue extremely hard. It's not because people will kill each other before they admit they're wrong about something, because there is no objective fact to be wrong about. It's because you actually have to pick a side in a political fight for your material interests.

[@TogetherLemon]

@@Eduardo-uf8yt When someone replies to you with a paragraph, don't reply with a 900 word essay. I'm not going to read this, i don't care.

[@VansForever]

@@Eduardo-uf8yt this is some of the best commentary I've ever read

[@bingston8920]

love the shoutout to Joseph Anderson. You guys woould get along i bet :) great series of videos by the way

[@maxderrat]

I love his content! I hope I could converse with him one day. :) Thanks for watching, homie!

[@mr.g.2280]

You took the book of Job out of context. What Jung determined was crap. The lesson was about perseverance, Job faced many hardships but maintained his faith throughout. He rejected bad advice from his friends and wife, knowing he did no wrong and stood strong on his faith. He was then rewarded much more than what he had at the end. I implore you to read the book of Job again, do not fall on the teachings of atheists to explain faith.

[@TectonicImprov]

You seem like a well spoken, smart dude. Your Metal Gear video convinced me to subscribe.

[@maxstr]

You really don’t need to respond to KZbin comments

[@Joawlisdoingfine]

Its pass time for the next vid.

[@TizerakYT]

4:39 aka Star Trek season 2 episode 3 "The Changeling"

[@SuperPrettyPink101]

I watched your videos about autism and developed the biggest crush on you, then I found out you're also an MGS fan and now it's even worse. Can you do something really unattractive, just once? Like... say you don't like animals or something? So I can move on? Thanks. 👍😊

[@joelpocalips]

Word on the grid is that he likes to pour sugar on his commentors...you'd better get outta here before you find yourself living in a hotel room binging on his sugar and videos.

[@darkestfugue]

you are a clever man, i remember playing mgs2 back in the day and that part just chilled me to the bone, 2020 brought it all flooding back, i dont know you but having an idea of your mind set i think you know what im talking about

[@hanzolos1852]

8:10 B-b-but Max, those weren't *real* communism. iT'Ll wORk țhïs ŤĪmĚ. We just need to get a purer leader to well, lead. Might I suggest moi?

[@blargblarg2118]

Distributeism™ Lets give "The Big D" a try ;}

[@reikouyama]

i admit i found your videos from Shoe0nHead but i gotta say i actually love how your videos are structured and shit....please...keep posting

[@maxderrat]

NICE! A lot of people came here from her channel. Glad to have you, mate! More videos incoming! :)

[@reikouyama]

@@maxderrat glad to hear. i really enjoyed the video that she directed to but i've been watching a lot of your vids since and i really enjoy them :D keep up the work my dood

[@noahhuelsman]

Something tells me you are a fellow Jordan Peterson Acolyte.