Ketheric: maybe this god will help me out this time
@FiguringOutFantasy4 ай бұрын
3rd times not the charm?
@HanyaPanya4443 ай бұрын
Tbf myrkul did deliver with his promises. Sure there was a high price, but no strings or cruel ironies attached (that we saw)
@jcdenton21873 ай бұрын
@@HanyaPanya444 Neutral Evil at its peak.
@HanyaPanya4443 ай бұрын
@@jcdenton2187 Not bound by law and focused unlike chaos. Neutral evil is the alignment of just getting shit done.
@Stuartette3 ай бұрын
Maybe if there was a god of therapy Ketheric could’ve been saved 😅
@mattelwood9802 ай бұрын
Imagine being that fuckin goblin. Rolls the most critical success on that throw just for that mf to get up demanding pictures of Spider-Man
@zeehero7280Ай бұрын
THINK GOBLIN! THINK!
@xiodtensei41492 ай бұрын
That scene where Ketheric casually gets impaled, gets back up, and tells them "Try Again" is the best scene for an antagonist I've witnessed in the last couple years ngl
@TimothyTurner-n5eАй бұрын
Right team cheese arives right after the shar temple and smashes his face in
@Belarovis4 ай бұрын
I think ketheric might just be my favorite character in the game and J.K simmons does such a good job
@FiguringOutFantasy4 ай бұрын
J.K. Simmons made the character for me.
@AB-ez4rm2 ай бұрын
I thought the performance was subpar at best. That's not JK's fault; we know how good he is as JJJ on Spider-Man. It's those behind the character that made him dull.
@mattimeikalainen69632 ай бұрын
@@AB-ez4rmDulm is exactly the vibe ketheric has. He is just so insanely tired at the point we meet him. A man that has lost his faith in the world
@Profesor4493 ай бұрын
He says my favourite line: We are copper pieces in their belts, tokens to be traded for scraps.
@suzannah991Ай бұрын
I love that he was voiced by Tenzin.
@ElijahSueverАй бұрын
I love that he was voiced by omni man@@suzannah991
@rjai50033 ай бұрын
I’m surprised you didn’t talk about how if you learn about his wife before confronting him, you can try and convince him not to fight because this isn’t what she would’ve wanted. He turns you down because it’s too late to redeem himself, but he goes straight into giving himself to Myrkl instead of fighting you himself first. I feel like this shows that there’s still at least some part of him that knows what he’s doing is wrong, but he’s gone too far already to stop
@lukeroberson21152 ай бұрын
Even if he did give up, it's irrelevant. Death means Myrkul's aspect will appear, and also that, given he's the Chosen of Myrkul, he'll obviously be claimed by the god upon his death. Ketheric is in a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't situation.
@tweetthechicken38702 ай бұрын
I didn't even realize you could fight him first I kept trying to convince him to go back.To being good And he was so close
@yabiyabi4 күн бұрын
He states that there is various ways to get through it dependin on the choices we make. It is clear he tries to prevent spoilers and I appreciated him not to spoil it and despite this being said to be spoiler, I feel it is safe to watch this and play through the game without being too spoiled, just more insight about the badass.
@lumare3 ай бұрын
part of what makes Ketheric such a good villain is the fact that you can empathize with him - he's a man destroyed by grief having lost his wife and his daughter desperate to do anything to bring them back.
@theshackledgamer7993 ай бұрын
Only JK Simmons could portray General Edgelord so compellingly. He is by far my favorite of the Chosen.
@ben50564 ай бұрын
Having a daughter myself, i can definitely empathize with Ketheric. I (edit: he) was so well written.
@FiguringOutFantasy4 ай бұрын
One of the most real villains we've seen in some time.
@SuperHansburger934 ай бұрын
I assume you mean empathize? Yeah, so do I.
@ben50563 ай бұрын
@SuperHansburger93 thanks for the correction :)
@Mindinvasion2 ай бұрын
Who did write you?
@ben50562 ай бұрын
@@Mindinvasion Oups
@ori76473 ай бұрын
"Have you ever heard of the tragic tale of Ketheric Thorm?"
@jcdenton21873 ай бұрын
It's not a story the Harpers would tell you.
@dastvan80023 ай бұрын
It’s a Sharran legend
@HierophantX2 ай бұрын
Ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself
@36inc2 ай бұрын
Can there ever be a lore video that couldnt make some varient of this refrence XD
@DT-267K4 ай бұрын
Pro tip: When attempting to acquire pictures of Spider-Man, don't consort with evil deities to get them. Not fun, would not recommend.
@willm93764 ай бұрын
Ketheric intrigued me a lot in my first play through of the game. While I immediately fan boy’ed over the voice of Mr. Jameson himself delivering an incredible performance, his story made me pause. Unlike Orin and Gortash (with the exception of learning about his past through a certain companion) don’t have compelling stories like he does. Orin is crazy and does crazy things because crazy dad says do crazy things for the lolz, and Gortash is just another cog in the cyclical wheel of abuse. But when I got to Moonrise towers, I spent hours combing the place, looking for every bit of info I could to see how to remove his immortality. Piece by piece I put together his story, until it finally clicked into place after raiding his bedroom and reading the materials in there. Ketheric wasn’t a villain because his parents were horrible, or because he is innately evil, he was just a man who loved his family more than anything. Ketheric is interesting (in my opinion) because he is so human. Any one of us could become like him, minus the whole immortal death paladin living in a cursed land. He is also the only major villain in the game who can be reasoned with before and during his fights. Being able to remind him of who he was and making him reflect on what his wife would think of him now reveals traces of his humanity. Of the three, Ketheric is my favorite antagonist in the game, and the competition doesn’t come close, which is saying something considering how incredible Orin’s acting and animations are!
@angelstarlight60303 ай бұрын
Elfanity (he's an elf) lol J/k I agree with what you mean though, he's definitely one of the best written characters in the game.
@josephm82943 ай бұрын
J.K. Simmons was the voice of Ketheric. Although they probably both like Jameson Whiskey! LOL
@RazielTheUnborn3 ай бұрын
@@angelstarlight6030He is a half High Elf. Still got humanity in there.
@angelstarlight60303 ай бұрын
@@RazielTheUnborn ahh I thought he was a full elf and Melodia was human, sorry my mistake 😅
@willm93763 ай бұрын
@@angelstarlight6030wait, does that make Isobel a quarter elf?
@Gigawolf13 ай бұрын
It's possible that an agent of Shar approached Ketheric during his moments of weakness and eroded memories that would've kept him faithful to Selune. I could really see his tragedy be played out in a Demiplane of Dread, though I'm not sure how it would work with his role as Chosen of Urkel
@bibbobella2 ай бұрын
Plausible, but I personally like him turning to Shar by his own grief way more. I mean there is no doubt he knew about Shar beforehand, so I would hate if it turns out someone was the one that changed him and not simply his own sorrow that was what lead him down the wrong path.
@urkletechindustries212529 күн бұрын
😂 "Chosen of Urkel"
@cosmicprison981918 күн бұрын
If only Ketheric had started worshipping Jergal instead. He would have brought Isobel back for a mere 200 gold.
@FiguringOutFantasy18 күн бұрын
Underrated comment
@MarcosParadox3 ай бұрын
The character design, that face is real AF, his facial animations....wow, feels like I'm watching an actor and not CGI.
@tomless4 ай бұрын
I was really joping you'd make an analysis on this! Ketheric was easily my favourite out of the three chosen and, at least in my opinion, the best written. A villain, yes, but ultimately a broken man who lost everything and felt abandoned by the goddess he upheld. All he wanted was his daughter back. Also helps that J.K Simmons nails every role he's in.
@FiguringOutFantasy4 ай бұрын
Thanks for waiting patiently! I hope you enjoyed.
@bastiancole35653 ай бұрын
Let's just take a moment to appreciate the fact that they got this voice actor to voice this character. What a freaking legend. When from bring me pictures of Spider-Man to bring me my daughter back to life.
@Graves9333 ай бұрын
"Mystra, I mean the groomer"
@4m4n403 ай бұрын
Iirc, she was dead for most of the time gale was alive. He was probably in his late 20s/early 30s by the time they got the hots for eachother
@Graves9333 ай бұрын
@4m4n40 I'm pretty sure Mystra noticed Gale When he was 8, started dating around 19 or 20.
@4m4n403 ай бұрын
@@Graves933I think you’re talking about Elminster, he is Gale’s mentor and a chosen of Mystra
@Graves9333 ай бұрын
@4m4n40 No, I meant mystra. It was said she noticed him at a young age
@ThatVeryOldMan3 ай бұрын
The story also has Dame Aylin, the groomer.
@BLEMFIDEM3 ай бұрын
Fuck me reading all those books in game actually equipped me pretty darn well for this video
@zeroderorero39482 ай бұрын
Ketheric: Let's go Worshipping! Worship Selune: *buzzer* Aw dang it! Worship Shar: *buzzer* Aw dang it! Worship Myrkul: *buzzer* Aw dang it!
@FiguringOutFantasy2 ай бұрын
I swear, comments like these are my favorite part of making videos.
@zeroderorero39482 ай бұрын
@@FiguringOutFantasy appreciated
@GeekandGlory3 ай бұрын
I honestly didn't know JK Simons did the voice of Kethric Throm until I heard his voice in game for the first time. It was absolutely epic.
@jahcode61322 ай бұрын
Bruh I was pissed because I was in Act 2 about to get to moonrise and my friend was like "oh yeah Ketheric he's voiced by that newspaper guy from spiderman" I almost killed him lmao. Would have been such a good surprise to find out organically.
@karumina15 күн бұрын
Him and Astarion are my two favorites when it comes to voices in this game
@NoodleArms20043 ай бұрын
Off topic, but someone mentioned Ketheric tadpoling Isobel to a "1950s lobotomy for my unruly daughter," and I think that's so fucked up. It goes to show that in the end, while Ketheric wanted his daughter alive, he didn't want the person she actually was.
@blueberrydragon51602 ай бұрын
While this would have been a great plot point and I love it, is there evidence for this in game or just a headcanon for what would have happened if Markus takes her?
@rattymenace2 ай бұрын
@@blueberrydragon5160if Marcus takes her, she will be alongside Kethric at the fight in the colony. You can loot the tadpole from her corpse after the fight.
@13RedCorpse25 күн бұрын
It seems that he just wanted to have his wife and daughter for himself. Their feelings didn't matter. His wife was a dedicated Selune worshiper? He kills thousands in the name of Shaar. His daughter was in love with Selune's daughter? Traps Selune's daughter in a eternal prison, then tries to steal his daughter against her will to zombify her. I can't feel emphatic for this possessive scumbag. Though it's still a topic for discussion. As human mind can be manipulated in so many ways.
@ThuNguyen-jm9up16 күн бұрын
I guessed he belived his lack of hard-line lead to Isobel death so he kept her that way.
@shilohmagic71735 күн бұрын
yeah, failing the battle against Marcus is genuinely horrific, and revealing.
@queldron3 ай бұрын
Ketheric is the most serious figure of the Chosen three.
@bobowon54502 ай бұрын
*only serious figure
@gamercore52164 ай бұрын
Actually the Mystra you meet in BG3/5e is Midnight (Renamed Mystra), the First Mystra and the Second coming of the goddess of magic was murdered
@FiguringOutFantasy3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the clarification! These forgotten realms deities can get a bit confusing 😅
@MrBoodaddy1233 ай бұрын
Ketheric being so well written and having an entire act to be developed for himself is what made him such a great character. Imagine if act 3 was broken up into 2 separate acts 1 on the lower city and 1 on the upper to develop his buffoons of fellow chosen.
@KollbjornYT3 ай бұрын
By the time BG3 rolls around Ketheric is just a twisted shell of the man he once was and you need to stop him cause he's too far gone to stop himself. Solid Character
@traurigergartner22312 ай бұрын
Ngl, I understand ketherics deservation towards isobels relationship with dame aylin, there is an extreme power imbalance
@thewolfpaladin18583 ай бұрын
When I heard Throm first talk I was like yep Omniman threat than sure enough he proofed to be a Omniman threat
@obi-wankommo-obi68802 ай бұрын
All he truly wanted was incriminating photos of Spider-Man.
@TheSilverRaven13Ай бұрын
When I did a Paladin playthrough of BG3, my lady saw Ketheric not only as an abomination to cut down, but to kill him was an act of mercy. The man has lost so much, had his mind and soul twisted so far by rage and grief, the only thing that might bring him peace is death.
@quarrena280c7Ай бұрын
Katheric’s story is one of many i love of sorrow and pain dont know why i love these types of heartfelt painful stories
@MGMac_4 ай бұрын
This channel is criminally underrated. Very awesome BG3 video essays! Had a pretty crappy day and watching through all of these has helped a lot, so thank you!
@FiguringOutFantasy4 ай бұрын
Happy to hear I could help you out for a moment in time! Thank YOU for watching and enjoying!
@ahorseofcourse72833 ай бұрын
HEY, KETHERIC THORM HERE, JUST SAYING THAT IF A GOD OFFERS HELP, YOU TAKE THAT HELP, BECAUSE WHEN THEY TRY TO SWINDLE YOU YOU CAN JUST FIND ANOTHER GOD. ALWAYS WORKS, NEVER FAILS. ILLITHIDS, ILLITHIDS.
@TheRedneckGamer19793 ай бұрын
The current goddess of magic is the fourth iteration of her. Mystryll died during the events of Karsus's Folly, the first mystra died during the time of troubles and the third died in 1385 assasinated by Cyric causing the spell plague
@DISTurbedwaffle9183 ай бұрын
In typical mage fashion, she dies very easily.
@Hyperbuzz103 ай бұрын
Me, marching in as a True Soul: "I've gotta be honest with ya general, I don't think religion is your thing. Have you considered atheism and grief counseling? I can refer you to a guy I know."
@atenek92432 ай бұрын
To be fair atheism is kinda dumb in faerun. Gods exist and it’s an undeniable fact (heck if you are strong enough you can visit their realms.) Dystheism might be a more adequate term - belief that gods are not worthy of worship. Still, though this might be my dnd nerd talking Ketheric should have known where his family went. ( They chillin in the upper planes.) Just gotta stay true to Selune and he’ll see them again. He’s an elf. He should know that a the time he has left is nothing compared to an eternity. Then again grieving people are not exactly rational. Agree on the therapist part. I hear followers of Illmater are good at that.
@Dumb_Gaming053 ай бұрын
*me after killing kethric* "Aylin chill. Da-DAYUM CHILL!"
@thirdtooth40692 ай бұрын
That scene made me hate Aylin ngl.
@MrPsych77Ай бұрын
Me: hey! Don't steal my kill!
@Hyullian8 күн бұрын
@@thirdtooth4069 I mean, a century of torture and death will break you when you're immortal. The shot on Katheric's chest + that glaive through the neck? Plus the arrow in his eye that Jaheira said she hit? Aylin took all that damage for him.
@berylman3 ай бұрын
Great lore vid! I'm still on my first run through but yeah Kethric is quite a complex character. I like how it is up to the player to patch together the fragments of his life to see how he got to this
@FiguringOutFantasy3 ай бұрын
Thank you! Keep digging in act 3 and you’ll find even more about the chosen.
@Red-qv4nb4 ай бұрын
You got one of the best BG3 channels out there
@FiguringOutFantasy4 ай бұрын
Thank you so much! I aspire to be peoples' go-to for fantasy content like this.
@THEMithrandir092 ай бұрын
26:00 Imho act3 having so much content that players get lost is kind of amazing, because until then, the opposition our characters face was so oppressive alongside of a transformation on a seeming clock of a week or 7 LRs, so we're pretty railroaded as it comes to the main story beats. Upon reaching act3, that pressure fades. We're powerful adventurers by then, and the emperors/orpheuss help are revealed, denonstrating that we don't need to rush things. So we have to spend some time to get our bearings in the city and find a new story hook among some red herrings. It's a great and necessary "low" after a climax right before we offer up the world to our father Bhaal, as it should be.
@justinburchetteАй бұрын
*_Volo's Guide to General Ketheric Thorm:_* _The Shocking & Unbelievable_ *_TRUE_* _Story that Harper's_ *_DON'T_* _Want You to Know!_ - _A Novel by Volothamp Geddarm_
@Hyullian8 күн бұрын
Katheric Thorm's tale is a prime example of why Faerun needs "Therapist" as a class.
@Tarz93 ай бұрын
I can't get over the fact that he is voiced by j k Simmons. J Jonah Jameson! Omniman!
@jahcode61322 ай бұрын
he knows a thing or two because he's SEEN a thing or two
@orishaharАй бұрын
I just started a playthrough as a Selune cleric in the goal of romancing Shadowhart and guiding her to the light side, I hadn’t even considered the entirety of act two! I can’t wait to see how that will go now
@mementomori7713 ай бұрын
my goal is to write a character as deep as Ketheric Thorm at some point
@bobowon54502 ай бұрын
dew it
@AndyMacsterАй бұрын
So glad to finally see a video on such a great topic. Ketheric is masterfully written, performed, and paced. All supporting characters to his role exist in their own right and not simply to push his narrative across. Lots of other devs and writers need to take note. This is BRILLIANCE!
@HanyaPanya4443 ай бұрын
1:15 just a quick thing here. In the forgotten realms Myrkul is not actually the god of necromancy, that is another god known as Velsharoon (not like forgotten realms ever uses him, also he is dead last I heard). Myrkul was the god of the dead, (now a semi deity with the much more minor roles of decay, aging, and other stuff related to that) and the whole undead and necromancy situation was just myrkul being an asshole with the role and powers given to him (tho tbf most death deities do that). Good video though.
@cosmicprison981918 күн бұрын
And all this time I thought he wanted incriminating photos of Kar’niss the Drider… 😂
@blueberrydragon51602 ай бұрын
Thank you for crediting the thumbnail artist. The art is so lit!
@johnathanstalker26823 ай бұрын
slight correction, the Mystra we meet in game is technically the fourth goddess of magic. Mystral came first, then the og Mystra who sacrificed herself, then Midnight who was a mortal woman ascended to godhood and took Mystra's name, She died and was eventually brought back but she merged with the echos of the last two so she isn't all Midnight(and this is the one we end up meeting).
@FiguringOutFantasy3 ай бұрын
Lore so deep the wiki still confuses me I guess 😅
@johnathanstalker26823 ай бұрын
@@FiguringOutFantasy yup Forgotten Realm lore is dense af.
@Freshpickedrainbows3 ай бұрын
Note. Selune was originally the Goddess of Light period, full stop. And of course Mystril favored Selune, she's Selune's daughter.
@minashepard125523 сағат бұрын
Kethric was definitely an epic villain. Everything about his character development and backstory is spot on. Also his introductory scene just screams "Dont screw with me."
@aspermwhalespontaneouslyca89383 ай бұрын
I've only watched half the video, but I've played through the game a couple of times and I feel compelled to comment. Almost ANYONE would do what ketheric did if he truly loved his daughter and wife. What we see of him in the actual game is just the husk left after his deal with the dark gods. The fact we cannot progress towards act 3 without killing him is a testament to this - it is a mercykilling.
@thesuperiorkitten2 ай бұрын
I knew Kethric had a dark past but good lord
@dianabialaskahansen29722 ай бұрын
All three Chosen are excellent villains, though it requires a bit more work to learn about Gortash being sold to Raphael and put through torture, while Orin was forced to kill her mother in self-defense as a child, after her mother tried to murder her. It is no wonder all of them are very messed up.
@LeoTheDarkAngel3 ай бұрын
I personally don't think it was the combined forces of Druids and Harpers that brought Ketheric down, at least not alone. As you said, there is evidence for people surrendering to him but him showing no mercy. While I'd argue that as a good General (which is stated more than once that he is/was), he wouldn't chase after his enemies if he didn't have the upper hand by a lot, there is also the architect of Moonrise in Raphael's house. He sold his soul to Raphael so Yurgir would tear down Ketheric's army and I think that played a huge part in Ketheric's defeat. Without the Druids and Harpers, this sacrifice might've not stopped Ketheric himself, but in my opinion, without Yurgir's intervention, the Harpers and Druids wouldn't have been able to defeat Ketheric either. I'm not sure if it is actually stated in the game, though I feel like it was. But even if it is not outright said, that is my personal interpretation of what happened prior to the story of BG3.
@ApplePi3.Ай бұрын
Agreed. The whole story, Kethric, Isabel, our part in it all, the freeing of Aylin was amazing and Simmons' voice acting, I think, is some of the best in the game.
@leetheeagle7264Ай бұрын
Ketheric went gambling with godly masters and never lucked out.
@aditghifari50393 ай бұрын
Ketheric is omniman if his wife and son died
@danielholmes71423 ай бұрын
Honestly, I think one of the biggest reasons people see Ketheric as more sympathetic than the other Chosen is that his story is a lot more grounded and relatable than Orin or Gortash. Ketheric's story is one of a man broken by his grief for his lost family and the trauma from his Goddess seemingly abandoning him, whereas Orin and Gortash, while their stories do have parallels to some more realistic scenarios, are still much more fantastical. I mean, not many people are the children of the God of Murder, much less raised in a murder cult, nor are most people sold to the literal Devil himself. Of course Orin and Gortash's stories do have some similar themes to Ketheric's, specifically in regards to familial trauma, what with Gortash having been sold by his abusive family to an arguably even more abusive master before breaking out and then serbing a cult that is devoted to yet another master, and Orin being abused since she was a child in the cult of Bhaal, which is the only family she's ever known and basically groomed to be a tool for her god.
@lenajohnson61792 ай бұрын
I personally think what he DID to people make THEM the more tragic... He lost his wife and daughter, but brought his daughter back, so he REALLY only lost his wife... and he did SO much worse than was done to him to so many people... I mean he made Aylin a fucking 'murder' pincushion for Shar's minions for a HUNDRED YEARS... I think that kinda outstrips any tragedy HE suffered... but he is a very good tragic villain even so. I just feel like he had too much agency in his decisions to be the MOST tragic... the worst tragedies are ones that happen to people who have no say in it all.
@bp6h4 ай бұрын
This is a great video, my man. He’s so well-written.
@FiguringOutFantasy4 ай бұрын
Happy to hear you enjoyed!
@seraphim45863 ай бұрын
these videos are really high quality and deserve way more views, this channel feels like your a youtuber who already knows what hes doing from another channel but could not branch out so you started this one as a new start, i know some youtubers that have done that. this content is really nicea nd well put together please dont give up on it because its not getting crazy views or subs yet
@Pro_Butcher_Amateur_HumanАй бұрын
Ketheric's intro is my fav of any video game villain too. Calming pronouncing judgement after clearly scaring the pants off Minthara. A goblin throws an axe into his chest. And he just pulls it out, drops it at her feet, and says "try again." Axe to the throat, calmly pulls it back out, healing before our eyes. While playing I thought "oh fuck, this guy really can't be killed. We must have to find some way to banish him to the Shadowfell or something."
@skullkrusher-dx4kg3 ай бұрын
Only person scarier than kethric is Durge and Kethric knows it lol
@emperorxenu51912 күн бұрын
Just from what I saw on my first playthrough I thought that the soul cage linking Aylin to Thorm was an invention of Balthazar, not part of Thorm's pact with Myrkul. Not to nitpick, just wondering if I missed something.
@HighmageDerin2 ай бұрын
This particular mystra is the fourth incarnation of the goddess of magic. The first died during Karsis attempt at stealing her power. The second died during the first time of troubles. And the third died during the second Sundering.
@aurorajof98573 ай бұрын
A lovely and very interesting video once more, my friend. Are you planning to do the companions or the other chosen as well? I'm kinda curious to see you do Gortash
@Tiltigo3 ай бұрын
I'm kind of confused when it comes to Isobel about her father. She seems so weirdly dismissive about the whole thing, even after his death. Like, if the game didn't spell out the opposite for me, I'd think she wanted him to die ever since Dame Aylin came into the picture. Like some kind of fucked up rebellious teenage daughter murderplot. I'd prefer if she showed more confliction or remorse that he dies and/or can't look at Aylin the way she wants right away because she'd feel like her love for Aylin is the reason he became what he became.
@adleo883 ай бұрын
Idk man, it makes sense that she'd have some serious disdain for Ketheric considering everything he did from her point of view. He betrayed Isobel by bringing her back to life against her will, betrayed their chosen goddess by switching to Shar/Myrkul and capturing Aylin, betrayed the place she lived in by causing the shadow curse, and on top of all that, she gets to find out about all of this long after he's completely changed from the guy he was when she died. I wouldn't blame her for thinking the real Ketheric died when she did; I'm pretty sure he echos a similar sentiment in one of his journals
@Macaromi022 ай бұрын
I feel like it’s actually really healthy that she doesn’t blame aylin or herself for what her father became. It’s not their fault in any way
@thirdtooth40692 ай бұрын
Kind of agree. And the way Aylin eff's up Kethrics corpse was just kind of... feels like kethric was written masterfully while those two were written by a lesbian that had a bad relationship with thier dad. XD
@ARoseReigns28 күн бұрын
Lord Vader would vibe with this dude ngl. Such an amazing and well written character
@KoKoaKateАй бұрын
I would have loved Act II the most if I wasn't absolutely disgusted and afraid of the sheer amount of gore and creepiness in that area. They did the atmosphere so well I can't help but rush through the whole act to escape the area haha.
@AnyaBlackk7 күн бұрын
I am pretty sure Aylin did not know Isobel was his daughter, as she exclaims in surprise once Ketheric calls Isobel his child atop the tower.
@NoodleArms20045 күн бұрын
@@AnyaBlackk Actually, I think she's just shocked that Isobel might be alive. They met when Ketheric still worshipped Selune 😅
@ShardofWantАй бұрын
Myrkul is the god of decay and bones, idk why Isabelle calls him that, but there’s already a god of necromancy.
@MrPsych77Ай бұрын
Ketheric does not seem to understand that you are allowed to love someone you are not allowed to possess them
@cosmicprison981918 күн бұрын
Looks like I missed out on a lot of cutscenes by going straight to the mausoleum before even daring to face Ketheric. But I kind of figured I first needed to disable his immortality before even attempting to fight him. Once I finally got to the front entrance of Moonrise Towers, me and the Harpers were already set for battle.
@spartanhuntergaming3 ай бұрын
With Ketheric, entering act 2 I thought his power was over exaggeration
@bezyn22913 ай бұрын
This Mystra is more of a 4th incarnation of Mystryll, rather than 2nd.
@DrEgonCholakian23 күн бұрын
It's really a shame that Thorm wasn't the main big bad, Gortash and Orin just fail to compete with him.
@nicolewheeler80768 күн бұрын
I laughed so hard when she stomped his corpse.
@OceanHedgehog2 ай бұрын
It's so sad that a lot of BG3 content got cut so that they could make a 2023 release. Imagine of Gortash and Orin had half as much characterization as Ketheric!
@BiasNilBN27 күн бұрын
Not sure if anyone said it before but this story really seems to resemble that of Viego and many others. Men that lost everything and had to change into something else to provide. 😢
@omidog062 ай бұрын
tragically my first encounter with Ketheric was at the complete end of act 2, we didn't go to moonrise until the end, and the Durge player killed Isobel right before we went, after I freed Aylin. kinda made the whole scenario a bit odd but we reached the top of the tower and beat him with 2 speech checks. it wasn't until well after that I learned he's actually pretty neat and not just a sad guy who dies and becomes a big boney boy
@katies8102Ай бұрын
Wait! What about the stonemason you meet in the house of Hope. He tells you he sold his soul to Raphael to stop Ketherine Thorm but he unleashed the shadow curse before he died.
@Craig_Murray29 күн бұрын
I am not sure I see him as a tragic figure. Sure he suffered loss but in his grief he inflicted those losses on countless people and unleashed unimaginable horrors on the land. How many innocents suffered mutilation, torture and death due to Ketheric's actions? Pledged allegiance to an evil god and killed unbelievers when he turned to Shar, raised an army to bring war to the innocent, unleashed the shadow curse on the land killing and twisting everything it touched, switched to another evil god, participated in the Absolute crisis leading to more countless death and ruined lives. I think madness and evil was always under the surface, likely his happy family kept it at bay.
@ZinemayАй бұрын
34:30 - Man, I hate her. Twice prisoned, absolutely useless as ally ( she spent two fights at Act2 in a row choosing the weakest targets and missing with all her attacks. In Act 3 She flied to levitating furniture at Lorrocans tower and stood on them afk ), prisoned twice in a row, arrogant and always bragging.
@kimosterhout3242Ай бұрын
Great video!
@FiguringOutFantasyАй бұрын
Thank you!
@memesmemes18543 ай бұрын
Great video could you do a video on either Gortash and Orin.
@FiguringOutFantasy3 ай бұрын
You can likely expect a video covering most of the prominent characters in bg3 at some point! Thank you for watching.
@kent9377Ай бұрын
I Don't know if it was just my good dark urge paladin or not but I got prompted to offer forgiveness he denied in Moon tower then offered a 2nd time the grief/shame made him jump in the hole without fighting the 1st round of 2 with his fight
@VeryScarySmile2 ай бұрын
Should've had a scroll of true resurrection 🤦
@Superplayer_23 ай бұрын
Amazing video 👍
@VeeOfTheEight3 ай бұрын
I love Ketheric's writing, and the fact that Aylin gets to kick his ass is amazing to me. I have never once handed Isobel over. Mostly because her and her girlfriend are perfect together
@marbleherogaming7353 ай бұрын
The lesbians are adorable together
@thirdtooth40692 ай бұрын
Fr? Perfect together? Do people actually think that?
@SuperHansburger934 ай бұрын
We still don't know how Melodia and Isobel died...
@FiguringOutFantasy4 ай бұрын
According to some in the comment section, there was apparently supposed to be some context surrounding at least Isobel's initial demise related to Halsin. But overall there doesn't seem to be hard answers regarding their deaths.
@FearnilАй бұрын
Mystra is the 4th, or kinda-sorta 3.5th incarnation. In short, Mystryl dies, and is reborn as Mystra, who dies and is embodied in a mortal witch named Midnight who ascends and takes her predecessors name... who dies when Cyric drives a Shar powered truck over her, and after some nonsense is reborn as Mystra again - a mix between Midnight and the original Mystra (not Mystryl).
@shingoji5243 ай бұрын
Sad backstory... still murder.
@samuelgomes245916 күн бұрын
And thats why i hate Aylin. Because she dimisses everything this man suffered and sacrificed because of his grief over his family and stomps his dead body just because he didnt approve her relationship with Isobel. Hes a shell of a sad man man and while he is wrong with everything he does to her (its most Shar fault but still) he was just suffering, abandoned by those he sweared to serve and grieving his all lost family
@M__FO14 күн бұрын
You hate aylin because she and rightfully so kicked the shit out of the guy that imprisoned and tortured her for a 100 years? Ok bro
@bloblom820812 күн бұрын
Omni man himself
@Nonamearisto2 ай бұрын
TL;DW: Guy loses his wife and daughter, goes crazy, sells his soul to two different gods, commits atrocities, gets beaten.
@kendalltaylor8974 ай бұрын
Great video!
@FiguringOutFantasy4 ай бұрын
Thank you! I’m glad you enjoyed!
@chrispysaid4 ай бұрын
Did you ever mention when and how Isabelle died?
@FiguringOutFantasy4 ай бұрын
It wasn’t explicit, but implied through the portion of his monologue: “when she was killed…” It’s not specified specifically when or how in the lore either. The specifics seem ambiguous.
@1vandread4 ай бұрын
Originally Halsin killed Isobelle in a fit of rage using a halberd he named Sorrow, he regretted what he did cause Kethric unleashed the Shadow Curse as a result. This was ultimately cut, though the halberd can still be found in the Emerald Enclave vault but, now has no narrative sense to exist. Isobelle’s death is unfortunately a mystery. Larian probably wanted to keep the focus on Kethric and alluding to blaming Selune and by proxy Aylin, for not protecting his family.
@yoshihammerbro4352 ай бұрын
Honestly I'm with what Dame Alyin does to his corpse just cuz how bad that Myrkul fight is
@bobowon54502 ай бұрын
my biggest problem with kethric is that this is where the game peaks as far as characters go. He's infinitely more interesting than gortash or whats her name, i've beaten the game about 10 times and still can't remember her name because she's just that interesting.
@britt61842 ай бұрын
Her name is Orin and she's really only made significant in a Dark Urge playthrough.