The Most Underwhelming Team in Honkai: Star Rail

[@PenguinWithInternetAccess]

idk i just like seeing the enemies have a stroke and die on their own turn it feels kinda good not gonna lie

[@pradyumnarout8402]

Fr

[@resyncing2311]

Peak gameplay

[@Safineya]

SU lagging out the game whenever enemies take a turn and I love it.

[@AnimeRPGgame]

Nahilily is best, you can clear sim universe with natasha and nahility only XD

[@Zergling.]

True and i think thats why i am starting to like followups too, seeing the enemies die on their own is really fun, since its automatic attacks and seeing 3 characters just attacking one after the other gives me the same vibe of seeing dot damage the enemies.

[@WhishiWashi]

DoT users: Why isn't DoT getting any dedicated supports? Blade mains: First time?

[@somebody5224]

Yeah, the hp drain archetype was just doa. Nothing can convince me that the blade jingliu synergy was purely coincidental and that there was no archetype planned. Heck I don’t think we even got a relevant new relic set for that type of team.

[@tashxyel]

@@somebody5224 bro my blade and jingliu still wipes the floor in apoc shadow on auto. lmao. just invest on your characters and you can just auto all the hardest content in this game. it's not that hard. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y3TVfoevZsSHnsk

[@_an1s_]

​@@somebody5224 nah but jingliu getting new 4p set that increases skill dmg by 20%(+20%after ult) and 20% ult dmg

[@david_lifeandgames]

Blade has Jingliu.. and plenty of harmony or nihility debuffers to choose from.

[@Yin184]

@@david_lifeandgamesit‘s not tailor-made for HP drain. Jingliu isn’t made for DoT. Unlike Black Swan who is made for DoT.

[@zouup]

Dot still carries me to this day…

[@AndrewNajash]

Same. It may be underwhelming right now compared to the best teams, but it’s still good enough to 3 star basically everything. My only 5 star sustain is bailu (praying for aventurine rerun) and I use her or Gallagher for my DoT team and everything goes just fine. I’m not 0 cycling ofc but 3 star is perfectly good for me. And this is what DoT looks like with very limited units, if we get DoT units like FUA has for their main team then DoT is going to be insanely good

[@sydorovich2532]

​@@AndrewNajashThere are zero leaks regarding new dot units.

[@zouup]

@@AndrewNajash Yeah I commented that at like the beginning but further down I was like a support would make total sense. Still now Kafka & BS can clear anything I put in front of them. It may not be Acheron/Feixiao/Firefly numbers, but their healths shoots down the same over time.

[@respons54]

​​@@sydorovich2532Considering the leaks that say that there should be quite a lot nihility characters in 3.x patches we can safely expect a new dot unit.

[@0v_x0]

​​​@@zouupI tend to agree but this past MoC (2.4) my DoT team (E0S0 Huo Huo, E1S1 Ruan Mei, E1S1 Black Swan, E0S0 Kafka) took 5 cycles to clear the choir boss, which is what I'd call bare minimum at this point. Maybe my builds just lack speed, only Black Swan gets over 160 (169 with Ruan Mei) and Kafka doesn't have her LC so caps at 158, but I feel like while the comp still clears, for a "premium team" it's almost to the point where it relies on a second team to pick up slack and could get to that point with the way MoC has been progressing. So that said, it would be nice to see new options come into the fold for the DoT playstyle. It's also been a while since I've had DoT in PF but I wouldn't be surprised at all if we get a DoT buff on the next one due to the current reruns. I did just really enjoy using DoT with Jiaoqiu against Phantylia in the recent AS though, was refreshing tbh.

[@punpun7164]

As someone whose favorite team is DoT, agreed. It's just that Hoyo has been buffing FuA to no end like releasing the 100th FuA relic and 100th FuA DPS or support and ignoring DoT ever since Black Swan released.

[@Safineya]

Hell I think Black Swan being good for DoT might've been an accident at this point. She works well enough with Acheron I feel like her being good in DoT is an accident.

[@RedCoreX725]

Yeah as much as i like FuA teams do we really need another tailor made relic set that's like usable for only 1 maybe 2 characters? There's already like 2 FuA relic sets rn and 3 planar sets for follow up attack. We really don't need anymore of it especially since they don't give a bigger upgrade than the last set

[@kyotheman69]

its just meta phase, over time they will go back, there will be mobs even breakers and Fua is going suffer, dots will be back, hell they never left i can clear most content with dot teams still.

[@blankuser987]

no seriously, i'm so sick of FuA atp. We don't need the 3938753982759273985739857892375987th Fua Unit and another relic specifically for FuA.

[@dankmemer6576]

Yep, nothing but break and FuA Meta rn.

[@nebula8851]

DoT's biggest issues are that Kafka/Black Swan both require a little vertical investment to go from 'decent' to 'absolutely cracked', and that they don't have a Dot-centric Harmony unit.

[@foggyfrog]

That's literally everything that is a little bit old in HSR at this poiny. And DoT is not even that old. I still think DoT is better than Jingliu and DHIL but that's because it's newer. Next time it will need even more investment.

[@SlL222]

@@foggyfrogSunday probably will make JL go higher tier, he seems energy based harmony with action advance which is perfect for JL to provide her more ults and giving more actions.

[@foggyfrog]

@@SlL222 you know I also hope so

[@mahimraihan2235]

Wait fr? ..............hmmmm are they buffing our granny or.....they planning to put ice in later versions ..​@@SlL222

[@justjuniorjaw]

Jiaoqiu should have been the one. Instead, he said "adios Luofu and Stellaron Hunters, let me embrace death to get closer to Acheron."

[@rizreighnand6471]

jiaoqiu isn't supposed to be a dot support in the very beginning btw. hoyo out of pity gave his ashen roast counted as dot burn, it wasn't in beta v1. dot burn was only available on e2

[@Adan.2005]

​@@rizreighnand6471and he's still not that good at E0 for DoT unless he's E2

[@Zergling.]

@@rizreighnand6471 Well thats why i and the og comment think it should have been made more for dot, they could have easily made him more dot focus, we know thats not how it turned out but it was possible.

[@cheesegrated7893]

LEAKS I fell like them giving jiaoqiu dot just destroy any chances of 5* tingyun being a dot character, now she’s superbreak

[@cezarsoba]

​@@cheesegrated7893 nope, she was spotted using nihility lc. Also, it fits the story for her to become nihilistic. Imagine coming home and everyone "buried" you and your belongings are somewhere in the vast space.

[@LucasGomes-ng2go]

DoT needs a Physical preservation unit that applies bleed. That would make the comp insane.

[@duongnhdn]

Isnt it just Aventurine with Trend lightcone tho?

[@tavinhoo]

@@duongnhdn trend lightcone does negative dmg

[@Artorias93]

​@@duongnhdn the damage from physical bleed is infinitely better the a fire dot from aven

[@peterszucs6111]

Since Robins release, we have gotten 10 new characters. 6 of them is follow up focused, 2 is break focused, and Lingsha is a mix of the two. Real mystery why every other archetype in the game fell off.

[@joaomarcoscosta4647]

I mean, Acheron hyper carry comps still hold up, and even got a nice buff on 2.4 But otherwise, yeah.

[@mahimraihan2235]

Didn't fell of. It's fua season with break. Same happened in 1.0-1.6 which was hypercarry season

[@PenguinWithInternetAccess]

I still pulled for Kafka and black swan for...huh....reasons

[@Adan.2005]

Me too, based 🗿

[@tienking485]

One of us one of us!

[@ghotyolocanisyn2880]

Black swan got that camel toe

[@Rainin.7]

Fondling fondling

[@i.t.y1140]

There are so many potential dot kit that was already in Su/Du. Dot crit(like nahida c2 with bloom), Dot healer that applies dot and heal allies when dot triggers, Dot trigger when ally attack(Kafka's definitely suffering from old unit kit design where as a detonator her multiplier is very underwhelming), or Dot eating away toughness bar corresponding to the element when they triggers.

[@Zerromi]

DoTs being able to erode toughness bar would be a great idea.

[@greenvega]

But they making summons meta next:) dot find dead in a ditch

[@akshayreddy4071]

​@@Zerromibro is a whole chef with thar dot toughness ngl

[@0v_x0]

they just used the dot trigger thing for a buff in AS, and I wouldn't be surprised if we see a DoT buff in the next PF as well, I just hope the slight uptick in attention (as well as the new mechanics from divergent universe) will actually lead to new novel character kits. I've always felt DoT has the potential to be a whole playstyle like FuA rather than just a single premium team.

[@ciofurinone4225]

I feel like we might get a dot support that advances the enemie action. It might sound like something more fitting for a counter archetype, but they've been testing this during events these last patches, so I find it suspicious

[@Vicric]

DoT has a massive ceiling because there isn't a dedicated support and sustain. The issues can all be solved with a support/sustain that allows DoT to crit/do toughness damage/add stacks on ult etc. Ruan Mei is clearly for break and Huohuo is for energy focused units like Yunli/Argenti.

[@sydorovich2532]

It's "massive ceiling" is a myth. Feixiao floor is already near the "ceiling" of DoT at the baseline in 2 cost vs 2 cost team where she deals 3 times more damage.

[@iNovak-HSR]

​@@sydorovich2532Yes, but you can play both and be happy. One does not negate the other and I think Hoyo will release at least a dedicated DoT support in 3.x to maintain some balance between the different archtypes.

[@sydorovich2532]

@@iNovak-HSR I don't like to play with garbage. DoT never was good, neither 1.2 Kafka edition which was already worse than Seele, nor 1.6 RM addition, which still was worse than JL and Ratio team, nor 2.0 BS edition which was already neg diffed by Sparkle teams in the same patch for the same cost.

[@iNovak-HSR]

@@sydorovich2532 Who are you angry with? Enjoy the game and the characters you like and let other enjoy who they like, it's a game at the end of the day

[@sydorovich2532]

@@iNovak-HSR Stop shilling dead archetype by ridiculous statements like "massive ceiling". If you enjoy playing mediocre archetypes, it's perfectly fine for you, just don't try to pose them as good/strong. There is huge amount of dot copers currently in community that constantly make ridiculous statements and are out of touch with reality trying to heavily overplay the power of dot archetype in HSR.

[@huyhoangminhdo7738]

As someone who hated every single DoT PF line up, my takeaway is that DoT has another problem and it's accessibility. Its main competitor being FuA doesn't have this issue because we have 2-3 free units who are meta being March, Ratio and Herta while DoT and their supports are all 5*. Characters like Sampo or Gui just don't cut it when DoT always starts and ends with Kafka because if you don't have her, DoT just doesn't work

[@matchochi3340]

Damn, even now a solid DOT focused team hasn’t been finished yet. It’s still currently being built over time 💀💀

[@kafkawanter.]

Make a support that can make dot crit 🗿

[@incognitobutnot]

dot just needs a dedicated support like how hmc is for super break

[@irium_pls]

nihility TB kit leaked Suske

[@incognitobutnot]

@@irium_pls link pls?

[@irium_pls]

@@incognitobutnot oh no i was just kidding lol

[@incognitobutnot]

@@irium_pls i had a dream and it said nihility tb had multiplicative dot dmg buff scaling off of how many stacks something had

[@thapotatonater827]

Pretty sure I heard that 5 star tingyun is gonna be filling this role as a dot support/super break replacing hmc in teams. Her talent apparently is just super break all the time just by her existing in the team rather than hmc only providing through their ult. but other leaks say she’s gonna be a dot support on top of being a super break support. So we will have to see in 2.7

[@TheCrimsonFacker]

While we wait on Mihoyo, i have seen something crazy with Wyattskyy. The man has an E6 welt (where the E2 probably mattered the most) combined with Asta. With the idea to delay the mobs as much as possible with Welt, while speed boosting your party with Asta, Allowing blackswan to build up more stacks and Kafka to burst. Just theorycrafting here, so i have no idea what the numbers and effectiveness will be.

[@kaiuiu_exe]

Omg I can still see him everyday. Fly high 🕊

[@daduck2584]

its like hes uploading his videos right now fly high Mr Brokie

[@otakisenpai8377]

Two Steps Ahead

[@LaidbackPotato]

Today's DoT might not as broken as newly rise break/follow up team comp, but DoT still can carry you through most of endgame contents while maintaining relatively easy team building. In my opinion, DoT just need a new damage dealer with higher stats/multiplier or support that can amplifies its effect, like how super break amplifies break effect.

[@bloody4558]

Not really, dot only needs a targeted Harmony unit

[@AevyCh]

Fast moving enemy is not a problem for DoT, it's a Black Swan problem while making Kafka redundant. If the enemies are already extremely fast, would you rather improve your overall damage or squeeze in an extra turn worth of damage with Kafka? It's the same debate as ATK vs SPD. Making DoT CRIT does absolutely nothing since you can't add CRIT on your relics due to EHR req. The DU Equation is the biggest scam in the world due to how Critical Boost work. I can see a new DoT character that doesn't need stacking while making the enemies even faster.

[@НадеждаГлебова-м6х]

Make dot crit can still work if you get it fixed crit values. Like nahida c2. She allows bloom to have 20cr and 100cdmg. Her c2 doesn’t take her stats into account. Something like that can work for dot. Although, that’ll just make it yet another crit archetype.

[@AevyCh]

@@НадеждаГлебова-м6х Nahida C2 is only good if you can deal damage a LOT of times (to reach the average), which rarely happens in HSR. In Genshin, you can trigger Blooms around 300-600 times per fight, meanwhile in HSR you're only dealing DoT around 100 times per fight. The very low 20% crit rate is even worse when you realize that not all DoT deal the same amount of damage. Take Black Swan for example, failing the RNG is the same as losing 20% of your damage. Meanwhile if it's Jiaoqiu's DoT that misses the crit, then nobody cares. There are more ways to buff DoT than just making it CRIT. We haven't even gotten 100% DEF Shred for DoT yet. There's also stuff like RES PEN & Vulnerability, and if you're feeling spicy, add a new DMG Multiplier like how they introduced Super Break to make Break teams viable; or make DoT deal toughness damage just like the ones said in the video. You want to limit the amount of RNG in your runs, not to add more. This is why Nahida C2 is bad in HSR.

[@bloody4558]

You can make dots CRIT quite easily by having the Support that is giving them CRIT, scale these dots of his own CRIT stats

[@Mr.Heller]

Two SU blessings - DoT Crit and the one that lets everyone trigger DoT, some Speed and DMG increase too, put all together and you have a ready made Harmony for DoT.

[@chalkzone908]

Nihility has always been a monster path in SU.

[@duongnhdn]

@@chalkzone908 Nihility is so op in Swarm and GnG. DU tho, not so much.

[@Glast04]

Bruh how did dot go from being "super broken omg" just like 5 months ago, to now being "super underwhelming" 💀

[@atomiccore75]

cuz 5 months ago we finally got second 5* DoT unit in the whole game - Black Swan, and all content was shifted to DoTs being extremely good for this single patch? Before that and after that DoTs was never "super broken"

[@elijahjarobi]

Hsr powercreep is insane

[@QuackEasy]

Newer characters op, no dot favored content or blessings. I always hated how an enemy can attack twice but it's only 1 dot proc.

[@blankuser987]

because hoyo hates releasing dot characters I can guarantee that if they released more DoT characters (as in 5 stars), DoT would be in a much better place rn, especially if we got a DoT-specific 5 star (not Ruan Mei).

[@ariamachi]

there hasent been a dot focused moc in ages, not even a pf focused one either. we finally got one in the most recent apoc shadow second half but FF/booty out preforms in that mode. its not about powercreep. the content has just been catered to fua, break and debuff for the entirety of penacony aside from BS release.

[@nequitia4665]

im kinda tired with Hoyo patern "lets release a broken unit" "now let's buff them more bcs they are not strong enough" and if they decided to buff the old character who are weak they will buffing them by REPLACING IT, so if you have Eidolon on that character, welp.

[@Dino-2327]

blade, jingliu and luocha players '_'

[@nam6282]

We need a dot support that maybe lets the dot crit like that su equation

[@18-HuỳnhGiaHuy]

The recent AP reset give alot of ideas for future dot sp, they can function like Harmony MC where instead of triggering Super Break when attacking weakness broken enemy, the team trigger all current dots, SU and DU also already have many interesting ideas too like CRIT dots harmony sp or healers who heal by dots

[@Lol-Lol0]

I think to make DOT good is to first release a character that can enable all party member to trigger all said DOT upon attacking like how SU nihility blessing is. With this even ur support/sustain is a dps since they can proc dot by attacking the enemies. Currently we have to rely on kafka so much just to trigger the DOT. But kafka can only go so much in 1 cycle. Where if the enemies is too fast or too slow will be bad for DOT.

[@Lacirev]

And then Black Swan arcana stack go brrr with all the DoT triggers 🔥🔥

[@Sansrival1113]

I'm having a hard time thinking how to balance that without making Kafka irrelevant

[@kklap3219]

@@Sansrival1113 why would they need to balance it, or keep kafka "relevant"? As far as im concerned, new hypercarries keep doubling old carries dmg.

[@zannax351]

​@@Sansrival1113Why wouldn't you just use kafka along with this theoretical new dot support? A new dot support would fit perfectly in a team with kafka swan and huohuo

[@othi-k2k]

a chance for nihility MC to be op is to make DOTs crit

[@MuhammadKharismawan]

It's easy to see the difference. FUA is versatile on all aspect, it doesn't have the weakness of extra action on people who uses summons (other than JY) Break team actually have a pretty clear weakness since it's inception, fast moving enemies will cripple this team quite hard, try difficulty 6 and up DU and the final boss happen to be Sam, he woke up so fast even with Ruan Mei's Ult stalling him. DOT have the exact opposite weakness of Break, they thrives in enemies that moves fast. They can easily make MOC with that gimmick and break will struggle.

[@Blackoutdmc]

I disagree on your point about fast enemies. The units who will benifit the most from fast attacking enemies are counter-attack units. Namely Yunli, Clara, and to some extent Blade. DOT as it stands struggles against fast units because Black swan needs a couple turns to stack up Arcana to do big damage... Kafka is there to squeeze more out of Arcana as often as possible. So if the enemies are too fast, you can't stack up dot damage effectively outside BS ultimate.

[@WatchSchoolDays]

People doom post on DoT while the archtype still clear anything with no mode's buffs. If anything DoT is strong as is and we just see it function without bias.

[@oyfum2638]

Kafka when her job is to “frontload” dots and she fucking frontloads 75k with her skill 🔥🔥🔥 (st btw), insane frontload right there. That’s like 1 Blade eba.

[@Maxbillion.]

You know a character's in trouble when you're comparing them to Blade.

[@miramaxcinemax5512]

I mean, she frontloads whatever your team stucks there. So with proper support and sustain, maybe even different DMG dealer its going to be different situation

[@someone999555]

​@@miramaxcinemax5512 problem is, because of how they changed her kit in her beta, what kafka herself does is part of what the team sticks there, and based on her kit it should be a sizeable portion, but its not, its pathetic damage. They removed everything in kafkas kit that was support oriented to make her a more self sufficient dps, and that hurts the entire comp. Now everyone but kafka has to do the heavy lifting in dot and kafka is doing significantly less than comparable units in the other comps

[@raymond7873]

​@@Maxbillion. I was genuinely surprised when I first tested e0s1 Blade a week ago, he felt like a 4 star compared to the 2.x DPS.

[@CupCop69]

Man needs new item set disciple is so lackluster it's just a 16% cr buff and a bit of hp u probably can do more with better geared sets

[@Renatus__]

I can almost smell his dandruff 😢

[@pradyumnarout8402]

The only reason I love DoT that it would never get irrelevant. Yes it is 'weaker' right now, doesn't mean it still can't clear everything. While all other teams need a lot of investments, favors and everything in between, the satisfaction of watching DoTs eradicating everything 'eventually' would never stop being fun to watch.

[@yvandiomande5850]

I mean you can clear with blade that doesnt mean he is relevant in the meta same for jingliu

[@unendingvoid]

​@@yvandiomande5850blade and jingliu are very meta relevant right now imo. Just look at current moc and apoc. Saying this as someone who low cycle cleared with them. 1 cycle for Kafka moc with blade. 3 cycle aven with jingliu. Apoc.shadow was easier

[@skinnyboi8937]

​@@yvandiomande5850I'd take DoT any day over using blade tbh

[@LucasGomes-ng2go]

if Hoolay's speed becomes a norm, it will also fuck Acheron and Ratio(outside the FUA comp). Unless you run 200 spd SW/Pela with Vonwack + Wind set, Acheron and Ratio are gonna start hitting enemies that are not debbufed. Jiaoqiu might be the only debbufer that can keep up

[@unendingvoid]

Basically jiaoqiu is gonna keep gaining value because we all know hoyoverse is gonna go in this direction

[@raymond7873]

If you have Aventurine with his sig/trends, he can probably fuel half of Acheron ult by himself against Hoolay.

[@animalpetdrakenstar6598]

tbf, Ratio can use Moze and Topaz, whose debuffs can also keep up

[@LucasGomes-ng2go]

@raymond7873 but that burn is a useless debbuf, it does not lead to any increase in damage, so even if you get the number of debbufs, the damage will fall off hard

[@animalpetdrakenstar6598]

@@LucasGomes-ng2go I'm talking about Topaz's Proof of Debt, not her break debuff

[@jeremywinston1]

the title and thumbnail were so good i expected it to be an essay video from some random guy, since i don’t check who makes the video before opening them. it was just mr. pokke.

[@droog4167]

I kinda hope we don’t get a dot support that allows dots to Crit as some have been saying. Dot has always been heralded as an alternative to Crit scaling damage-dealers, so just allowing them to Crit feels like a cop out and makes team building feel more homogeneous. I’d rather see a support that adds dot damage vulnerability or something. Just saying “Surprise! They can Crit now!” Feels so antithetical to dot’s design philosophy imo

[@MakotoMajima30]

fair points but the opportunity cost for Dot has been good so it is valued fairly to me and not undervalued. Kafka has slayed for over a year and Dot has been able to clear every game mode unless both sides are bad matchups. for older players, you would have had to invest more into top teams so they are expected to perform better.

[@sydorovich2532]

It never was good. DHIL E2 already beaten any opportunity cost for DOT in 1.3.

[@tavinhoo]

@@sydorovich2532 e2?

[@darkhydra4262]

Jing yuan feels kinda underwhelming nowadays but hopefully the new summons archetype give him a new lease on life

[@atomiccore75]

I don't think he'll get any kind of buff. New summons are not equal to follow-ups and Jing Yuan as well as Topaz are both follow-up units, even tho they technically have "summon" in their kit it just doesn't work the same way

[@darkhydra4262]

@@atomiccore75 I mean we have heard dreams of new summon mechanics so it's not out of the realm of possibility that that we get a character that says something like "summons gain 60% crit dmg"

[@atomiccore75]

@@darkhydra4262 Yes, there def will be this kind of characters, but I dont think you understood what I said. Summons are not follow-ups, that's two different mechanics and they obviously dont use same buffs for each other. That's a confirmed info, cuz in 2.6 all terminology in the game will be changed to "party members" instead of "allies" etc, so you won't be able to use current buffs for "allies" with new summon mechanic

[@punyapanyapp]

JY and Topaz both have summons, just because they also deal fua dmg doesn't mean they won't get buffed by summons buffer. Stating otherwise is just baseless for now because we have extremely limited info about new mechanics @@atomiccore75

[@Blackoutdmc]

Jing Yuan has been underwhelming since his inception. Acheron was the final nail in the coffin for his use cases. His primary issue is how Lightning Lord (we'll call him L-lord for short) works. No matter how many turns you give Jing Yuan, no matter how many ults he can throw out, no matter how much you buff him up, the L-lord will only strike once per cycle. It's a design flaw on a fundamental level. He would need to be changed in a way that allows L-lord to act more frequently. Either by rewriting his talent to allow L-lord to act immediately upon gaining 10 stacks, (which they probably won't do) or introduce a support that can advance summons, which is much more probable.

[@Chris-qh5tz]

Meanwhile Acheron DoT team still carrying me through all end game content.

[@hq9968]

That's not DoT team, that's Acheron team

[@Chris-qh5tz]

@@hq9968 Black Swan and Kafka = DoT team but Acheron Black Swan and Kafka = Acheron team? 🤔It's not like they stop DoT'ing if paired with Acheron.

[@sekiryuutei2680]

Nice taste with the outro! (Pokke Village theme)

[@Blitzshock]

I wouldn’t say that dot has fallen off but rather that dot has been neglected.

[@AverageUser69]

What we need is a unit that can prolong the DOT stacks, like Black Swan's ult but universal. They must also be able to forward the enemy's turn but not remove the stacking. Lastly, speed is really integral for DOT. Kafka's trigger is valuable for maximizing dmg. To sum it up, Black Swan could have been that but her ult doesn't last for long. There's many potential they could have done like DOT dmg increases the more the enemies turn comes around and a crit mechanic. I keep hoping that the team will get a dedicated support in the future.

[@sct77]

Pokke needs to go on trips more often, this is way more entertaining than the usual content lol.

[@ciofurinone4225]

The developers usually test new mechanics during events. Such as a boss focused event that turned into Apocalypic Shadow, or a Simulated Universe with crazy buffs, that turned into Divergent Universe. Recently they've been teasing us with a possible new summon mechanic, but they've also tested (at least twice) DoT but with a mechanic to advance the enemie action. So I think this might really be a future character kit they are testing.

[@sussy8382]

I have been pulling for the premium dot team and investing in it since the start of the game and its good but a huge amount of resin and pulls were needed at this point in the game its probably more worth it to invest in other teams

[@maaoruzketo]

I recently invested in DoT (Pulled E0S1 Kafka and E1S0 Black Swan) and have zero regrets. I take it as an investment into the future for their playstyle. When we get Obsidian, I think opinions will shift back to it being a great team

[@shadowandpain7855]

Underwhelming, still clears MoC12... :)

[@mistress3847]

IPC members are usually very good in filling up open roles... There's a Vampire, Ruby one of the ten stone hearts... If she's a Nihility Physical DOT HEALER, only then BS, Kafka combo would be solid (Include Jiaoqiu in the mix) But it's just specope-lation for us

[@prestonbeaulieu4379]

I agree, but only within a very certain set of restraints. As you said, we're not counting any hyper carry team comps like blade or Argenti. We're also not counting any team comps outside of the big 3 (FUA, super break, and DOT). So yeah, within those very narrow constraints, DOT is the worst of the big 3.

[@almondxd6110]

The problems​ about DOT team are: 1.Kafka's shocked debuff lasts only 2 turns that why Mr.Pokke told that 200+speed mobs gonna ruin it because​ they're too fast to let Kafka reset the debuff. 2. As for Black swan's​ Arcana resets every time mobs move unless using her ult on them. If the mobs too fast we really having trouble stacking Arcana to do more DOT damage. What characters we need to fix or upgrade​ DOT team? 1. A character​ that enable crit DOT(A harmony one is better since already have Kafka and BS)​ 2. A substain character that DOT focus (Preservation character​ will be better as they protect their team from 1 shot by mobs charged skills) 3. A character​ that infilct DOT that cannot be cleanse by mobs like Boss bronya does (maybe more new mobs that cleanse their debuff in the future who know for now there only one)​

[@raphaelmillion]

a 5 star version of Luka would be so sick, he always carries me through the aventurine MoC

[@siskatypes]

Getting a DOT Sustain is the most probable, since we already have aventurine for FUA and Lingsha for Superbreak

[@wikidpsycokilla]

Dot has so many options to improve. HSR has only scratched the surface compared to what other games have done, we only have basic dot, stacking dot and detonate. Besides the obvious of enabling crits or specific vulnerabilities, you can have ramping dots that progressively do more with each tick, dots that do massive damage and expire after x number of ticks, dots that scale with the number of debuffs, dots that scale with the number of enemies its applied to, and the list goes on. Any of these could easily be either a relic set or kit based. You could even do a dot/follow up hybrid and have a summon that gets advanced forward for every x number of dot ticks the enemy takes. On a side note, does replacing Ruan Mei with Acheron on a dot team make it not a dot team anymore? Its still the same core dot team, but instead of the support buffing the dots the dots buff the support.

[@asafesseidonsapphire]

I was thinking of making DoT's deal toughness DMG either agnostically or only of its element, the character would also make enemies affected with DoT take 1 instance of 50% SuperBreak DMG(upon being broken), and whenever an enemy takes Break DMG, all DoTs on the enemy is triggered.

[@asafesseidonsapphire]

The other option is a character which can treat other debuffs as DoT's, each having 80% Multiplier, this character would be able to inflict 3 debuffs, 20% All-Type Res Down, 20% Vulnerability and 20% Effect Res Down on all targets, also all DoT's get extended by 1 turn.

[@iNovak-HSR]

Yesterday I got Feixiao, Kafka and Black Swan together within 170 pulls, winning all 3 50/50 and getting E6 Moze in the process. I'm very lucky that I can play two of the best DPS (Feixiao anf Firefly) and also invest in my favorite character (Kafka). I will also be ready for when Hoyo decides to release a DoT dedicated support. All F2P btw.

[@tienking485]

Every patch I pray that a new dot unit comes out.

[@kwayke9]

Give dot a dedicated support, like someone who can dot vuln and advance ennemies, and the archetype would be a lot better imo

[@udonmessedup]

If there was a dot character that amplified dot and healed the party whenever a dot was triggered (like the simulated universe buff) that would definitely help the archetype.

[@ShokushuKaijuu]

Support that makes dot last longer and deal more damage the longer it's applied would be pretty cool

[@mouradsofian1724]

as DoT main i think the best way to bring it to competition is to give DoT their specific support and sustain just like other team archetypes.

[@thatalbeeguy]

the thumbnail guy clearly took inspiration from that mr breast commentary channel

[@danielpollack7442]

I argue the worst team comp is anything revolving around Jing Yuan tbh and I say this as a banner 1 JY puller. He's very fun when it works and it's quite nice how many buffs he's gotten since his debut, but unless they add a way to advance forward summons, I think the issue of LL's speed will continue to plague him.

[@irena4929]

"Kafka is the most future proof unit" mfs when every other team does better damage LOL

[@darkgrundi9543]

And they said that Topaz is a terrible investment back then. Look who's laughing now :D (was clearing with her and Clara since release).

[@duongnhdn]

Now, imagine, when the enemies that have dot on them take action, they not only take damage, but also their weakness bar gets depleted based on the element of dot.

[@gwterror]

Just have the dot support extend dot time, increase the damage, etc.

[@evarix4760]

I wish that the new tingyun would be the buff that DoT needed but unfortunately the leaks say otherwise

[@wongo6828]

It's honestly such a huge slap to the face. Why make her Nihility only to be a superbreak support, they could've just made her Harmony. I have lost hope on DoT, it's just a forgotten archetype at this point because in 3.0, there will be a new archetype that's gonna get all the attention.

[@i.t.y1140]

@@wongo6828 They have to sell their favourite child Firefly obviously

[@saddany3254]

It's still 2.0s. Mihoyo gonna milk follow up and break to oblivion until 2.0 ends.

[@Ducksquare]

@@i.t.y1140 wym rn its fua era GOATED GENERAL

[@Cyra.43]

I believe she will be a summon oriented character. The new meta will have summons like Jing Yuan and Lingshua.

[@TehSmeRsH]

Simple way to buff DoT, new support that straight up doubles DoT damage

[@ArthurMorgan.1863]

Underwhelming? Bro, it's satisfying to see enemies foaming with their mouths.

[@alvarogalvez1725]

Dot is one of the best investments ever. They are great on all high end modes in the game (SU, MOc, PF and the break one) Once you get Black Sean E1S1 it just become crazy

[@Kevin-rv8br]

They still need to make a physical 5* nihility character that specializes in bleed. Here's hoping that that will do something. Question would then be, if that potential future character would then also tap into break, since physical break is breaking physically. Maybe have that character's DoT multiplier scale off of breakeffect with an ascension trace. If that character also dealt a substantial amount of toughness bar damage, you could then even double down on superbreak, for more frontloading. I have a feeling, that as a concept, that has to happen at some point.

[@pokkeclips]

RIP MrPokke fly high 🕊

[@eherden2169]

They need a character that can make those DoT crit or double the current stacks.

[@AmaneKoruba]

I beat ApocS with the DoT team, all e0 and all f2p LC’s no personal’s with Max Rewards, DoT is 1000000% fine and still really comfortable and strong, with the like PERFECT team that synergies each other.

[@Bubbbagumps]

Black Swan was the last dot nihility that came out and that was on release of Penacony (2.0) its been 5 patches ever since. It has been nothing but destruction, erudition and hunt characters. FUA and Break are meta. Heck even Acheron only has one bis support for her playstyle. Yes dot needs more love man

[@wildfire_]

i think the saddest thing about DoT is that the only feasible way to get it back into meta is to directly snipe blackswan. there's actually a pretty interesting mechanic I noticed will scrolling through the wiki, which is that the break DoTs actually have different scaling, and it boils down to this: - bleed scales HP, making it potentially the strongest per stack, but only against bosses. it also has the second highest break damage behind burn. - burn has poor base DoT scaling but high break damage, which is why there's so much attention on fire break. - wind sheer has low damage per stack but can stack on the debuff multiple times onto itself (the others can't). - shock is the opposite of burn, but it has less potential than both bleed and wind sheer. this system carries over into gameplay, which is why jiaoqiu is more support than DoT, why kafka and BS are the types they are, why luka's debuff scales HP and why serval is erudition. the important thing here is that the only debuff that can really keep up with windsheer's stacking abilities is bleed, but that's only on bosses, and the one boss centric game mode is also built around breaking the boss, making DoT redundant. that means that the only way they can realistically make a new meta viable DoT character is to directly powercreep BS, which is probably why they've avoided the topic till now.

[@Digbigbombig]

The problem with the dot archetype is they have not released a unit since 2.0. Every archetype has had multiple releases since then, especially FUA which is why they ate the best right now. As soon as they telease a harmony unit that buffs dot damage they will be good again since the current supports buff weakness break or crit which are not effective enough on DoT.

[@bunnys9704]

DoT is pretty underwhelming nowadats. So much so that I used my Black Swan as a debuff/ damage amp support in the latest MoC and it was the only way to use her well enough for me

[@edwin4058]

what a banger thumbnail, great job editors

[@jonathanlin7897]

i think one archetype they are sleeping on is break dots. this mechanic has literally been abandoned by the devs. it would be interesting revive this mechanic

[@ihyouka]

Wait till the Obsidian Stoneheart introduces us to the first limited 5 star Bleed DoT

[@awastedcow]

I think what I like most is that despite DoT not receiving the same love as FUA, hypercarry or breaks, it still just thrives to this day as a solid team.

[@KristianKauravaara]

DOT is still crazy for me but thats probably coz i have hyper invested in that team. E1S1 Ruan Mei , E1S1 BS , E0S1 HouHou and E0S1 Kafka,

[@irhlx9948]

No not my wife 😢

[@mobyhuge4346]

I feel like it was just recently DoT was the go to team comp with the Swan and Kafka combo

[@АндрейАлгазин-н8н]

The problem of dots is that after Acheron and ff hoyo significantly increased the amount of enemy hp while dots are still the same... with 0 buffs since 2.0

[@IncubiAkster]

*Cries with my full E2 dot team.

[@maheee]

i remember my DoT team can clear both MoC and PF it was really versatile.

[@lightningjuniorsuper]

All dot needs is a dedicated support Also with feixiao coming out it does make FUA more future proof. Whereas dot hasnt had tht yet outside of kafka

[@pluto940]

idc, the dopamine rush from mommy nuking with black swan and kafka is unbeatable

[@Blackoutdmc]

Im just waiting for the moment DHIL, Boothill and March 7th get a dedicated basic attack relic set that ISN'T Wild Wheat.

[@sebay4654]

jiaoqiu Really should have had something like their Talent or a Major Trace node granting something like when Dot Damage occurs whilst the ultimates zone is active all Allies Regenerate Some amount of health let's say 1% HP Per instance of dot Damage, like Seriously we had the perfect chance to make a nihility Healer and that unique archetype in of itself could act as the bridge between Dot and Acheron for a Mono Nihility team where even if we don't have a Harmony unit for Dot that alone would have made Dot more powerful

[@setsunaaottg291]

Count how many times mr.pokke’a voice cracked in this video.

[@opughdyang8264]

In Sim uni there is the blessing where dot heals, we can have a healer who deals damage to heal

[@ParasocialLadyboysWompwomp]

The concept of Dot in any rpg game just hooks me. Taking dmg while doing nothing. But in this game it suck so bad. This is Harmony rail, FUA rail and super break rail. Maybe super break DoT where it ignores toughness and def. Because it aligns with the Nihility characteristics.

[@innocent_child0]

Wait till a better harmony specifically for DOTs like DOT critting buffs or a nihility unit that can advance enemy actions and decrease their damage.

[@Crasher-zw6vr]

YES! On <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="722">12:02</a> when I heard him saying a support that strictly makes DOT better. My mind immediately thought of, a support that enables crit for dot on a fixed level. Cuz there's an equation for that already in SU and was very good ngl

[@welachutmelexcel]

“I am currently eating dinner with Tectone in America at applebees…” 😮

[@tavinhoo]

happy with my e6 kafka bruteforcing everything

[@itsmesoru]

DOT had its time in the spotlight, hyv is providing support to the other archetypes right now, but the constantly increasing demand for a higher power level means that the gap is getting wider faster.

[@NightWalkelz]

Hoolay literally designed to make us pull counter FUA

[@duck6856]

break team: we got firefly :D follow up attack team: we got feixiao acheron: i am the team myself *also mihoyo proceed to make another break character (rappa)*

[@Clutchassassin]

I think DoT needs a 5 star Luka, someone that can abuse bleed and can make break bleed stay longer. One of the highest DoT dmg is BH bleed that does like 70K+dmg but it only stays for 2 turns. So someone that can do the same DoT dmg and make it stay longer like how Serval does to shock.

[@MrVoldross]

We should call it a Kafka team instead of dot because she's the only necessary part. It would be nice if the actually made true dot characters that encouraged the use of multiple dots and made exploding attacks optional instead of being the only way.