The Most Used Post-Hardcore Stereotypes (FEAT. Andrew Baena)

[@NikNocturnal]

*Rawr xD*

[@valdanalimavidal7398]

Nik Nocturnal RAWR

[@musicboi8219]

RAWR XD

[@cesarbeltran6583]

Do Slamming Brutal Death Metal/Slam Stereotypes next!

[@thelastdaybreathinginetern1385]

Cesar Beltran 050505 Yes. Look up the band Alone With R. Kelly lol

[@xazien]

Great video as always🔥 it was funny bra

[@BaenaCarcosa]

SING IT WITH ME BOIS! I HATE THIS TOOOOWWWWN...

[@sneeringimperialist340]

IT'S SO WASHED UUUUP...

[@fmendoza9558]

AND ALL MY FRIENDS DONT GIVE A FUUUUUCK

[@grymxmedia2366]

AND ALL MY FRIENDS DONT GIVE A *FUUUUUUUUUU-*

[@xazien]

THEY TELL ME THAT ITS JUST BAD LUCK, WHEN WILL I FIND WHERE I FIT IN? (2,3,4!!!)

[@stephenlatham7702]

@@xazien x plays octave chords x

[@nicolasa.3192]

I love how as soon as you really start getting into heavy music, you realize that post-hardcore is a testament to the capacity it has to be extremely pretty sounding.

[@donnymcjonny6531]

I like this

[@atvena]

Well said

[@kaipark1649]

"sleeping with ambience" "pierce the sadness" thank you, nik.

[@ippotsk]

he also did "Pierce The Charts" in another vid

[@leecrawford6560]

tsk nice

[@landrybasket]

“Our bassist mixed the album” sounds like early beartooth 😂

[@drumchild90]

This whole thing sounded like Beartooth.

[@HeyIntegrity]

@@drumchild90 not really

[@NikNocturnal]

More like Bearbass, am i rite?

[@DarkestofTimes]

@@NikNocturnal ... get out.

[@TheMrCaden101]

@eagleeye128 love the Marshall profile pic

[@phantomtearsca]

Duh Duh WEH WEH - Underoath Our Drummer Got A New Snare - Beartooth Sleeping With Ambience - Sleeping With Sirens (or OM&M's first album) Breakdowns Can Still Be Pretty - Silverstein (listen to Shipwreck, Rescue and This Is How The Wind Shifts. They definitely have breakdowns.) Pierce The Sadness - Pierce The Veil The Girlfriend Song - ADTR Our bassist mixed the album - also Beartooth Count-Ur-Parts - Counterparts Dude, just put random leads - Dance Gavin Dance Yeah I know chord theory - literally every post-hardcore band ever

[@DiegoGarita]

The random leads is Dance Gavin Dance

[@kisaxkat]

Duh Duh WEH WEH is also Norma Jean

[@michaelczesnozki1671]

With the Weh Weh's I felt more Attack Attack! then anything else tbh.

[@beejusfingus]

First one is underoath

[@digitaltrash]

Duh Duh WEH WEH - Attack Attack! - Party Foul

[@seifdog6244]

I really vibe with sleeping with ambience

[@phantomtearsca]

Real shit, that needs to be a full song

[@NikNocturnal]

I love using ambient leads, super fun

[@Jackfi_89]

@@NikNocturnal Reminded me of TDWP with roots above and braches below album. Great sound!

[@icapfordollars9214]

Agreed

[@switchunboxing]

Tyler Seiferlein Right

[@mudkips8399]

13 years later and I'm still a sucker for the "sleeping with ambience" sound. Really a lot of these riffs

[@firdauszainudin7118]

Band name : Sleeping With Sirens Warning: Only listen to their first 2 albums (With Ears to See and Eyes to Hear, Let's Cheer to This, bonus song Dying To Believe)

[@tokiliam6015]

Stereotypes aside, I love this genre so much I'd listen to this video as if it was just a regular song.

[@porpaczydaniel7123]

Bro “sleeping with ambience” is such a masterpiece, make it a full song please omfg 😅

[@TrveVargVikernes]

The songs by sleeping with sirens

[@lorenzopagano4884]

​@@TrveVargVikernes do you know the name?

[@TrveVargVikernes]

@@lorenzopagano4884 oh shit nvm

[@TrveVargVikernes]

@@lorenzopagano4884 sorry i honestly thought it was a song by them

[@firdauszainudin7118]

Band name : Sleeping With Sirens Warning: Only listen to their first 2 albums (With Ears to See and Eyes to Hear, Let's Cheer to This, bonus song Dying To Believe)

[@zhabajapanese2486]

yeah, I need to "sleeping with ambience" full song. super chill

[@Wussel_Restbrook]

Farewell to the shady glade by of mice and men

[@RAFatturi]

@@Wussel_Restbrook thank you man.

[@luisnagai109]

above my head, by polaris, pretty good too tho

[@adriellightvale8140]

"Our bassist mixed the album" has to be my favorite. I do like to hear the bass, even if some would argue that it's pointless.

[@constantines_edits]

Its not, listen to New Abortion and youll hear the diff between guitar and bass tone

[@Lightning-gg5iu]

Adriel Lightvale Bro bass is one of the most important instrument in any genre of music

[@Viper-dz2kw]

Bass is extremely important, there’s a reason modern music particularly pop has almost completely gotten rid of melodic instruments and replaced them with big boi bass

[@mel_thing4763]

Adriel Lightvale bass is super important even if you can’t properly hear it to safe a life. Listen to The Trooper without bass and try not to cry at how empty everything sounds

[@knotletis]

But bass is like super necessary, if you want to have any sort of balance between frequencies

[@hishighnessarthur5936]

I really disliked Sleeping with sirens but when I heard that ambient lead riff I gave them another chance and listened to them again. I still hate them, but your riff is pretty dope :)

[@Ste20389]

Osatia is IMO better than SWS thier ep “sky people” is like prog djent with post hardcore

[@gengashaunt3322]

Why didnt you like SWS? Not here to argue just curious because it seems a lot of people are like meh when it comes to them from what i saw and i loved their music and while their last few albums i see why theyre not as liked, the new song was praised and i dont get why. They had a metalcore sound but their lyrics seemed to be more emotional so idk.

[@jayvee4321]

Not to be that kind of guy but why "hate"? Did you have a bad relationship where your significant other was into SWS and it caused you emotional toll for every time you listen to it? I know someone who has that reason

[@hishighnessarthur5936]

@@jayvee4321 actually I dont know why I was that cocky 2 years ago, I dont hate them, they're just not my thing (their sound is nice but the attitude/lyrics/band-persona isn't my thing)

[@hishighnessarthur5936]

@@gengashaunt3322 I dont hate them, I was just cocky 2 years ago, I actually like their sound (instrumental and vocal-style) but their attitude/lyrics/band-persona is too emo and drama for me

[@starrk7158]

"Don't just put random leads everywhere" those were genuinely distracting. Probably what you were actually going for with that.

[@AJ_Drums]

Unless youre Dance Gavin Dance

[@NikNocturnal]

;)

[@starrk7158]

@@NikNocturnal good stuff :D it actually had me like "what the fuck" xD

[@frankunodostres473]

@@AJ_Drums that's mathcore though^^

[@chanchoboss5468]

@@AJ_Drums exactly what I thought as soon as I heard it lol

[@kylespaulding9194]

One of my favorite stereotypes is what friends and I referred to as Of Mice & Men theory. Open note chug pattern played tightly Same pattern but let notes ring Same pattern on single string Same pattern on first fret In literally any order

[@brady_bigbear]

Okay but “our bassist mixed the album” is awesome. Bass is a crucial part, despite what everyone says! Look at And Justice for All!

[@LucasBozovich]

Brady Bigbear exactly! A bassist’s job is to help lay down groundwork for a song, while also not getting in the way of the guitarist, or the vocalist. The job is similar for drums.

[@itsyeaboi5333]

nothing slaps more than fugazi in terms of bass i.e progenitors of the genre

[@jj_zeroshiki]

SAINTZ - Dystopia The bass just pops out and is so in sync

[@imbawling]

still doesn’t sound good when its louder than everything in the mix

[@VoxParanoia]

I think y'all missed the joke there lol.

[@TellingSecrets]

These titles are absolute gold lmaoo “our bassist mixed our album” was a favourite of mine 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼

[@NikNocturnal]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@viktorpopov1218]

This is like a reminder why I love post-hardcore

[@mysticmagicsmurfdarklord6844]

I love dark chord progressions! Finally found a genre that uses them a lot

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

I really like “breakdowns can still be pretty”

[@beyonder7776]

So does this mean we're getting a F.C.P.R.E.M.I.X. cover here soon, Nicholas?

[@NikNocturnal]

:O

[@sneeringimperialist340]

That intro is my new Alarm clock and ringtone.

[@BaenaCarcosa]

I am sorry to hear that 🤣

[@_.Mercury._]

Andrew Baena lmao

[@pillarsofserpents]

These riffs and parts are all actually pretty sweet, imo. Although I would have called this video "2010s post hardcore." I grew up with 2000s PH, like Poison The Well and The Bled

[@silentxwxlf]

Looking for 90s post hardcore like june of 44 or unwound

[@retrocny5625]

As much as I've grown tired of hearing breakdowns like the one at 1:06, that guitar tone is fucking juicy.

[@totally_a_duck6982]

please direct me towards all these breakdowns that tire you

[@themercycatalog]

the fact that andrew looks so much like jeremy mckinnon makes the intro 100 times better.

[@tannerclark9839]

Why does all of this sound identical to Of Mice And Men's first album, and Blessthefall's first 3 albums

[@NikNocturnal]

;)

[@drewmcdonald4082]

2 big genre drivers

[@emeyers7]

"Because it's badass" is what you mean right?

[@PlasticCyborg]

"Just put random leads everywhere." Oh, look at Will Swan.

[@PlasticCyborg]

@Zander Boettcher Never said anything about him being not good. I love Will Swan's playing.

[@PlasticCyborg]

@Zander Boettcher Right. Sorry about that. I was being too presumptuous. Rock on, Zander.

[@zander3115]

@@PlasticCyborg haha you're all good, it's hard to tell over the internet sometimes I dont blame you, rock on 🤘

[@agustinac9230]

I thought it was Ling Tosite Sigure lol

[@marcinczyzewski5021]

Haha nice one I love some of those riffs. And that's why I love the most post-hardcore from all core music genres, so much diversion and styles in this kind of music. I think there is even more in post-hardcore to find.

[@lalakuma9]

"Our bassist mixed the album" As a bassist, I have been guilty of this kind of mixing.

[@chrispring6655]

That intro was LEGENDARY

[@laurenshepherd4410]

Is it weird that I love the "Dude just put random leads everywhere" as a whole? If that was a song dispite how distracting it can be for some people, I actually would like it

[@eethantaylorr]

“Dude, just put random leads everywhere” Nik, do some protest the hero!!!

[@MJSH.3]

"0:34" - Metallica, 2002.

[@wavyjones96]

reminds me of Wake the dead by comeback kid

[@chilliam00]

@@wavyjones96 or every hardcore punk song since the 80s. 😂

[@dodoplay9703]

Track name ???

[@DemBlox]

@@dodoplay9703 st anger

[@austindurham5736]

In with the "duh duh weh weh" shits. I honestly would be down for a bassist to mix my music. I love when bass is present. Soinds so good. To me at least.

[@elginbelalla6601]

You guys put this out just as i started listening to La Dispute again...

[@willowsparks4576]

I don’t remember any Drive Like Jehu sounding like this...

[@pomeloco1554]

Definitely. Dinosaur Jr neither ! What's this ?

[@CletoFrost]

those sounded more like metalcore and stuff like that

[@CletoFrost]

however, the chug chug dissonance really sounded like fall of troy to me

[@willowsparks4576]

@@CletoFrost oh yeah lol fair point (but fall of troy use standard or drop D and recently Eb standard lmao)

[@thehxcweeb3202]

@@CletoFrost The chug chug and dissonance was basically what every scenecore MxC band strived for lol. The scene Metalcore bands took those elements from the likes of Norma Jean, Everytime I Die, Poison The Well, & Hopesfall.

[@elishaorosco...]

1:38 i died at the girlfriend song

[@NikNocturnal]

So did I when Andrew showed me that one

[@MilitantMe]

Watching this video, I discovered I listen to way more posthardcore than I realized

[@DiegoGarita]

I love this video, we need the full part of "PIERCE THE SADNESS" please

[@elisecode2212]

right, tide me over to ptv5

[@TheRocker66666]

Hey man, we have the same last name, that's ma boi right there

[@NikNocturnal]

Thanks! Just listen to any Pierce The Veil album

[@florasock4292]

@@elisecode2212 PTV5 still not here

[@mdd47]

Thought I was gonna hear something that sounded like At the Drive-In or Alexisonfire, actually heard a bunch of metalcore

[@Mezurashii5]

the "bassist mixed the album" is the best sounding part of the video.

[@ippotsk]

That Counterparts thing at 1:56 sounds super cool, love those 7 chords and stuff. Which song of theirs sounds a lot like this?

[@BabbleOnComedy]

I could imagine Shane Told singing to everything

[@joshuagavaghan224]

gilbert dude lmao I was think of Silverstein the whole time

[@RobOngrui]

@@joshuagavaghan224 Same

[@switchunboxing]

gilbert RIGHT? Minus the new album :(

[@poppinfresh5261]

Yes honestly

[@poppinfresh5261]

Shibby120 their like 40 lol they’re allowed to change a little, watched them in concert 2 weeks ago, still the same energy

[@davidc.9590]

The sleeping with ambiece with the matching breakdown afterwards. I dig it

[@InkAndPoet]

Ugh... you hit me so hard in the feels, man! I love post Hardcore

[@NikNocturnal]

Same my friend

[@theemptybox8343]

The “That guy who put random leads everywhere” killed me because it’s so true 😂😂😂

[@jerryfranco1387]

Sleeping with ambiance is actually so good though I want it on repeat

[@vvaepl]

This is supposed to be the meme but it's so goddamn inspiring

[@floralfire]

2:25 honestly was the best one imo

[@florasock4292]

Wow our profiles match each other so well I thought I commented this for a second haha 🖤

[@MetalisBae]

The pain about these lovely snippets, is that I want to listen to songs that sound just like it. 😂

[@elisecode2212]

Ʌris HΞxx you can! Some of them are inspired by certain bands

[@billbobbophen]

I like to re-listen to this video occasionally to get taken to another universe for 10 seconds. One where Pierce the Veil released more *good* music.

[@m4m4m4m4]

"Dude, just put random leads everywhere." I've seen this ruin so many bands 😂

[@sirjack528]

2:27 Dance Gavin Dance

[@NikNocturnal]

;)

[@caelviktora7383]

@@NikNocturnal your catharsis is beautiful

[@gregmerritt9366]

When you listen to "bassist mixed..." and "Count-Ur-Parts" as a unified progression, it sounds like something Hot Water Music would've written.

[@frontrowvideos3663]

Count ur parts 😂

[@christopherf9700]

My favorites 1) Breakdowns Can Still Be Pretty 2) Duh Duh Weh Weh 3) Sleeping With Ambience 4) Peirce The Sadness

[@Mahmood42978]

This sounds more like metalcore than the post hardcore that I'm familiar with.

[@severancedenied]

Same. Post-hardcore im familiar with is like Fugazi, Unwound, Slint

[@SquishyOfCinder]

@BleeZard not really, it's more metalcore with post-hardcore vibes.

[@lolnahnvm208]

@BleeZard nah. You're just not familiar with bands before 2002

[@BlackVeilSpectra]

This is like Sleeping With Sirens and Pierce The Veil stuff, which is post hardcore

[@Mahmood42978]

@@severancedenied Exactly, or even Into Another and Quicksand

[@daniaurlev938]

I am quite amazed by this pop thing you call post-hardcore

[@OhTheEzekiel]

The random leads one ended up sounding like this band called Napoleon more than DGD. They're actually pretty sick.

[@АграрнаяПартия]

This is not how actually post-hardcore sounds like. Listen to Unwound, Hoover, Fugazi, Drive Like Jehu, Rodan etc.

[@keymaker037]

0:51 Sleeping With Sirens - In Case of Emergency, Dial 411 (1,25) ;)

[@aliaulman]

Too bad they didn't play that kind of style anymore as their former guitarist has left the band

[@nirnimkovsky8806]

"Breakdowns can still be pretty" holy shit make a full song w it, sounds so good

[@alexh.7079]

stereotypes or not but these sound hella sick!! ambience and breakdown ones are the real shit!

[@rocknroll_tux]

DuhDuhWEHWEH is literally Chiodos

[@MYRMediums]

Im not gonna lie, the "duh duh weeh weeh" piece....I was into it lol.

[@NovaXII]

As a person who is obsessed with sleeping with sirens i NEED a full version of that "Sleeping With ambiance" part!!!

[@sauceobtainer2849]

Yeah, I think "Sleeping with Ambience," "The Girlfriend Song," and "COUNT-UR-PARTS," were my favorite

[@exponent2316]

What song is the Count ur Parts portion? Ive become obessed with that melody now.

[@TrixiLovesYou]

No post-hardcore to be found in this video.

[@W7RSON]

That's more Metalcore to me than Post-Hardcore

[@russwilson2305]

Quicksand, Helmet are the only post hardcore band I'd ever listen to.

[@anthonycovarrubias5010]

Can you just make full songs for the "count ur parts riff" and "sleeping with ambience"....please

[@switchunboxing]

I seriously love all of this. If you ever want to make a band out of this type of stuff, I can send you my singing. I’m really good at singing and I love Silverstein. Let’s go

[@gerardleaf]

I’m the "Dude, just put random leads everywhere" xd

[@josejesushernandezbustillo9139]

1:11 that's definetly Stick Stickly

[@JakeRoy96]

My favorite metal sterotype: guys who make videos about metal stereotypes using Theory 1 terminology

[@OLANSOUND]

the panning on the random leads fuckin sent me

[@iamnaominnedi]

Who else grew up listening to post-hardcore (and still listens to it lol)?

[@ferna2294]

You have summed up the reasons why I love post hardcore in a single video.

[@imraanakollo-arenz1449]

You just told PTV's and SWS's whole Discography in one video.

[@heyimjoshnicetomeetya]

Well everything except Gossip.

[@riotrat6628]

@@heyimjoshnicetomeetya honestly, I hate gossip

[@heyimjoshnicetomeetya]

@@riotrat6628 You and me both, buddy.

[@FuzzImp]

Baena for life. Dope stuff my dudes! 🤘🏻😎👌🏻

[@NikNocturnal]

[@FilthyJazz]

That intro 😂

[@adriellightvale8140]

And all my friends don't give a fAAAAA-

[@BaenaCarcosa]

🚨

[@NikNocturnal]

When Andrew sent that to me I died laughing

[@knownghost1891]

I watched this video expecting like actual post-hardcore like Lungfish, ATD-I, Unwound, or Fugazi but instead I got blasted with metalcore?

[@chairsmissing]

I cringe at the fact ppl are so accustomed to referring to the post-hardcore scene with bands like Counterparts or Beartooth. My perception is molded by Fugazi, Quicksand and At the Drive-In. Does that make me an elitist?

[@stephensporman8206]

I agree. This was mostly metalcore to me. Sounded nothing like post hardcore

[@matt_afact]

Yeah this is mostly metalcore. But I mean there's a lot of intersect between the two so I get it lol

[@thecreatedvoid117]

A lot of metalcore bands get labeled post hardcore for some reason I have yet to figure out. Metalcore is such a vague sub genre that it really should have its own clearly defined sub genre/micro genre labels.... and I think that’s why people come up with incorrect labels to define specific styles within it regularly.

[@ZsomborBerki]

Yeah, like the first example reminded me stuff like early Norma Jean, Underoath, or some Poison The Well songs, but then the list went on and it just sounded like modern radio metalcore with a few exceptions

[@VoxParanoia]

No it just means you aren't 16 years old.

[@Homecoming89]

loving the "our drummer got a new snare" and "breakdowns can still be pretty"

[@stacysaenz7224]

this isnt post-hardcore this is metalcore

[@theunpretentiousvegan8593]

Post-Highschool me is triggered by all of this. Love it.

[@graysonneal6966]

"Count-Ur-Parts" had me ROLLING

[@emmanueldavid7956]

1:20 "Pierce the sadness" HAHAHAHAHA....I'm so lonely 😢 The riff was pretty good though 1:47 i liked that bass tone Well i like metalcore

[@kmw5100]

The ambient lead stuff is the only reason I listened to early SWS, tbh.

[@TheGuerreros3]

I liked sleeping with ambience 🤷🏻‍♂️ What pedal did you use for it?

[@JakeLlewellynMusic]

the real question is, what are the tabs

[@Bankai_as90]

Another great video. Nik, your videos always know how to better my day. Both you and Andrew Baena keep up the awesome work

[@vandersonjunior8018]

I like Pretty breakdowns I don't know, kinda gives the song emotion, you know?

[@NikNocturnal]

^^^

[@texaselectricchair]

No post-hardcore was heard in this video.

[@Thanksforaskingme]

this isn't post hardcore lmao At the Drive In, that's post hardcore

[@samprassighdee3063]

At the drive in is punk shit than post-hardcore

[@russwilson2305]

Quicksand and Helmet are the only post hardcore bands I'd ever listen to.

[@toxiknao8826]

"Sleeping with ambience " is the style I'm going for

[@xsvanx]

Still living in the world, where post-hardcore means being fugazi-style and etc. band

[@nicholaserickson2994]

This video got me right in the 2008 😭😭👌🏼

[@hannahthepenquin11]

My favorite was sleeping with ambience

[@TurtleGamers1]

Oh I thought we'd be talking about Fugazi and Refused. Guess not.

[@severancedenied]

BleeZard Way better though

[@somenothing7914]

@@severancedenied lol

[@somenothing7914]

yeah this is more metalcore affected shit. ptv is dope tho

[@TurtleGamers1]

@BleeZard Yeah but this "second-wave" metalcore post-hardcore has like 0 similarities between their predecessor, except for like shouty vocals. Also, I'm pretty sure bands such as At The Drive In got a decent amount of attention.

[@thecusk6918]

@@TurtleGamers1 At the Drive In was one of the first bands of the second wave, so I guess they were kinda "1.5 wave"